Dr Alan Wilson, Bishop of Buckingham | Christianity SHOULD allow gay marriage - 3/8 | Oxford Union 

Man, this Anglican Bishop is WAY more blasphemous than many atheists friends

"Does the Church have sex with Jesus? I don't think so!" It's appalling to hear an ordained minister, let alone a bishop, speak this way. Is this man even a Christian?

His argument would be airtight if Christian doctrines were based on the the arguments and opinions of bishops in the Anglican church instead of the bible. He can take it up with Jesus when He meets Him some day at the resurrection of the dead. If I were him, I'd be worried. The bible is pretty clear and teachers will be held to a higher standard than most.

Why even read or study the Bible if it refers only to that historical context. Church of England has departed from Christianity and now just believes in the Beatles slogan "all you need is Love".

"A time is coming when men are going to run mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will laugh at them saying, "you are mad, you are not like us." -St Augustine

A weak argument covered up by comedy.

Someone said, "If you tolerate anything, what is it that you're standing for?"

What’s new? A Church of England bishop doesn’t believe in Christianity. Here’s why he doesn’t - he refuses to accept - even though it’s staring him in the face - that maleness is both an immaterial thing - in Jesus (and the father) - and material in Jesus the man and also in man - and that femaleness is both an immaterial thing in the church - and also a material thing - in woman. That's the first mistake of people like this bishop - and here's the second. People with the bishop's views usually also pretend that the two parts of God named as male is a product of patriarchy. But here’s why that view isn’t possible. The bishop isn’t disagreeing with Jesus being biologically male - only male as God (along with the Father). But here is why he doesn’t have that freedom. If Jesus in his divinity is named only as male but not actually male an impossibility arises - namely that the Jesus who became man and then ascends to be with his Father is once ascended both not actually male (in his divinity) and male in his humanity. But not just at that moment because God is outside time and therefore the bishop is asking us to imagine that Jesus is both male and not male all the time. So then I have proven Christianity is about material and non-material sex/gender - and that the bishop must be wrong for not believing this. Therefore God’s eternal plan being a marriage - a marriage of the God human man Christ with the God human woman church (Rev 19 and 21) - has meaning - it doesn’t need the church to be biologically female to have meaning. And therefore it most definitely is the case that people of any attraction can be eternally married to God - a marriage which outweighs all earthly marriage it defies description - and also to have spiritual fathers and mothers - brothers and sisters - and sons and daughters). It should be clear then that same sex marriage and homosexuality is according to the Christian worldview contrary to the plan and heart of God. In what way does it contradict God’s heart? While I cannot fully explore what maleness and femaleness is from a Christian perspective let me at least point out that God’s heart when it comes to being male is that it is about pouring oneself out in sacrifice for woman - in order to earn the authority to establish an environment of justice - as Jesus does - in which woman (biological woman and also immaterial woman - the church) then leads in showing mercy. The disintegration of man and woman - and of marriage - and of Christ and the church - is the world and the apostate church saying that leadership should instead be a reward for just being born - and that’s what we’ve been seeing in the last couple of decades as people turn away from God - so called leaders acting as if leadership is the opportunity to serve themselves. Anything goes - we are at sea.

It blows my mind that a bishop of the Church of England doesn’t understand the analogy of the church as the bride of Christ. My 7 year old son understands it…

This man is not arguing as a theologian , worrying that he is a bishop

I am very happy that these videos were posted. It helps me to remember why I left Anglicanism.

I love how they are not quoting the Bible to strengthen their arguments because the Bible doesn't support gay marriage.

After insisting that marriage has been redefined numerous times, he then says "marriage is marriage is marriage, and that's it." Which means marriage is meaningless, yes?

Wow, so many bad arguments here, especially the failure to distinguish between biblically mandated forms of marriage, which is clearly only one, and types of marriage described in the Bible. That is just sloppy thinking.

He seems to confuse the secular and Church, as a Bishop he speaks for the former which is a disgrace, even mocking and deriding the Bible for laughs. He seems to view marriage as primarily a sex act and further confuses love and sex. He is not a man of God. He seems more interested in being popular than upholding and preaching the word of Christ. " either we belive in Christ or we don't" - He would do well to pay close attention to C Robinson's speech.

A bishop wearing a pimp jacket, bling, and advocating for gay marriage within a Christian doctrine. Now I've seen it all.

Also, just because we don't have writings of the early church on marriage, doesn't mean that the early church would have endorsed same-sex marriage, that is a non-sequitur.

I'm very surprised an Anglican bishop today would say "deceased wife sister marriages" were condemned in the bible and Solomon's marriages were condoned. Fair enough having a different view on gay marriage, but I don't understand how he was enthroned with such a poor understanding of the Old Testament scriptures. "Deceased wife sister marriages" are pretty much the same thing as Levirate marriages. If anything, you could make an argument for them being *mandatory* under the old covenant (which would have worked much better for his argument), and it's certainly not forbidden at any point in scripture. Solomon's bigamy was (perhaps prophetically) condemned in Deut 17: 14-17 . And you can see in 1 Kings that his many wives led directly to his downfall and the breakup of Israel into the northern and southern halves. Now, you could point out that Deut 17 only forbids bigamy for kings (at least, only explicitly). But bringing up Solomon (a king) as an example does not work, in fact he is pretty much the worst possible example of this you could find in the bible.

What a weak argument. He knows he can't ignore what the Bible says. Oh its only in the small print 9 times but it's the overarching message that counts. Err... no. It's what the Bible says that counts no matter how small the print. And it states it a lot more than once! He never even mentioned marriage & children as there's no way he'd win that argument.

What was his actual argument? This man is not a Christian, he is an atheist masquerading as a Guardian columnist in priestly garb.

I’m still waiting for his argument?

It's not about "allowing" gay marriage. It's about people CHOOSING to be a Christian and not partake in gay marriage. If the Church was strong then people would respect it, but it's weak and people laugh at it and think they can change it and make it do whatever they want it to do, which is what is happening here.

Marriage as a man/woman union is assumed in moe than nine verses of the Bible. Hundreds of verse, at least. This man needs to go away and learn how to debate using facts and real reasoning.

Is it not ironic that Solomon also bowed before pagan idols after having so many concubines? Would it not be ironic that he violated sexual moral laws and ended with violating the first commandment?

I must admit seeing people like this makes me question the sexuality of a lot of our clergymen.

Laughing his way to a dead church.

I think it is fair to say that humans are determined to do what they want and move anything to justify it. Not so with God. His principles stand forever and we depart from them at our peril. The man sounds a blasphemous comedian than anyone who is related to the church of Jesus. I am sure that he has been toying with many other principles before he arrived at his current standing. This is frightening, to say the least, given that this issue relates to eternal matters.

How is a paradigm not a definition of marriage? It seems that the paradigm is exactly what should be the definition of marriage, regardless of whether one lives up to it perfectly or not.

this guy makes it so much more believable when they say men wrote/changed/edited the bible

CoE = Church of Error

Them protestants again

jesus christ he same yesterday, today, and forever

God didn't love sexual immorality.

These enablers harming homosexuals in the name of Christian love turn my stomach. They should be showing them how to be free from sin not encouraging it. Cunningly evil and Tragic.

"For certain men have slipped in stealthily, who were designated long ago for this condemnation, ungodly ones, who change the grace of our God into licentiousness and who deny our only Master and Lord Jesus Christ." Jude 1:4

God Will Judge This Man. And that's All I'll say.

truly sickening. completely off the rails of what the faith teaches.

Dr Wilson reminds me of the scribes and pharisees of Jesus' day. His arguments are rooted in societal changes and not in the sacrificial glorifying of God. He is a stereotypical Church of England bishop who by his words seeks the destruction of the church he allegedly serves.

🔥Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight!🔥 ~ Isaiah 5:20-21 (NASB) This minister is going to find out what Jesus meant by what He said as recorded in Luke 12:47-48 and Matthew 7:21-23.

What else after this? Permit to marry your dog, your car, your siblings may be, or yourself if you're priest?

Look, it's plain to see there is a divide among Christians on this issue, but really, it's quite a simple choice to make: do you defend a living, dynamic faith like the kind witnessed in the Acts of the Apostles, where the early Church allowed for Spirit-driven growth and the shedding of old assumptions and restrictions in the pursuit of a universal call to love and forgive, or a narrow, ahistorical, dead faith with no compassion, no renewal, and no re-evaluation of the cultural contexts in which oft-cited (and oft-mistranslated and misunderstood) passages were written? If mere Christianity becomes mere cruelty, it is already lost and frankly best discarded. Don't cite scripture (like the devil does) in defense of hate when anyone worth their salt in that area knows that Paul softens Jesus's (!) stance on divorce and that gendered language and metaphors in the Old and New Testaments is often fluid (kings nurse, God is compared to a mother at times, and there is enough talk of "adoption" to make laughable the conservative emphasis on procreation in the "natural" order of things). I mean, come on. There is no prohibition on slavery in the Bible, anywhere, that could be called explicit, and arguably some support for it, and awkwardly the Patristic Tradition doesn't help much with this fact. Instead, it was the moral force of movements against that horrendous practice that led to the scales finally, belatedly falling from the Church's eyes on that issue. Now let's hope the Church comes around on the equality of women and queer people too, because spiritual callings, mutual tenderness and love, and human lives (many children's and teens') will be lost if it doesn't, or if it has to be dragged kicking and screaming toward repentance over this ongoing, callous disregard for others.

This is why it is good to read the Bible. The Anglican church will divide as we can no longer find common ground.

As a catholic I see this man as a blessing, let him become arch Bishop of Canterbury and there won't be an Anglican church in 10 years. You guys are welcome to come back btw.

This Bishop will hear this Matthew 7:22-23 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Psalm 6:8 Away from me, all you who do evil, for the Lord has heard my weeping. Luke 13:27 But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ this Bishop could out read out know more Bible verses could peach sermons, but now he will condemned him self and many other, Jesus was right about the last days he said Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. people please read your Bibles don't let sinful men turn you away from the SAVIOR who took the sins of the world, don't think that the shepherd is leading you down the narrow road to the narrow gate,

This is a problem for the Church of England. Christ will reinstate new leadership to his Church. The Church belongs to God, He is the Lord , a day is coming when calling into God's ministry work will be directed by the Holy Spirit not a persons intellectual and academic/religious qualifications.

This is BLASPHEMOUS.

One of the other speakers said that she, like the majority of the British population, wasn't even sure if she's Christian. It seems Anglican bishops can very well be part of that demographic.

So the argument is: 1. Many secular states have legalised homosexual marriage (covering 1.2 billion people), 2. The Church did not define marriage until the Anglicans did it in the 1920s, and they did it wrong, 3. The Bible does have 8 references condemning homosexuality, but the rest of the Bible doesn't mention it, 4. God is Love, Therefore, support the blessing of homosexual marriage in Anglicanism. The speaker appeared to carry his argument with an air of careless, mocking, deceptive arrogance. But, the one point he makes regarding the State has some force. I wonder as follows: If the head of the state of England is the head of the Anglicans, then State and Church are not distinct at the highest level according to Anglicanism, and since England has legalised homosexual marriage, then why shouldn't Anglicanism follow its head?

Is this debate available in a full-length video? a full-length recording would be preferable.

To speak in such a frivolous way is a desecration of serious subject. Where in the bible do we find the prophets, apostles or Jesus behaving like comedians? This bishop will answer for the views expressed and the manner in which they were expressed.

Leviticus 18:22 and the lord spoke to Moses saying you shall not lay with a male as if it was a woman for it is an abomination draw the line

I couldn't even concentrate on what he was saying after a few minutes of Bla Bla Bla. . . . a lot of nonsense. Surely we are seeing the end times as institutions that once worshiped God and upheld the Bible as the Word of God is now turning it's back on God and replacing His Divinity with their own ideas, redefining God with their own god, a god that they can feel comfortable with, one that is ok with their sin. . . . the bible lists this as the 2nd commandment and calls it idolatry.

Imagine believing this guy's actually a bishop.

I have realize that those one the left always get a laugh after a point made and those on the left alway comes out serious, their points never get any laugh.

Blasphemy , how can you use the lords name in such a sentence as a priest or Bishop. How sad it is to see the church this way , let us stand our ground and hold fast onto the word of God.

Repent Bishop, there’s no need for atheists to be trapped in the pulpit anymore.

Thank you for your comments.

So....He is absolutely wrong on his idea that the early church didn't have a doctrine of Marriage....it did. It may not have been written in a silly Book of Common Prayer...but it was written explicitly to churches by Paul. The church's urge to re-define marriage goes against scripture. Using examples like Solomon or Levitical law is not helpful in the discussion. He assumes that Solomon having hundreds of wives was a blessing from God...but that is not the case. What does Jesus say about Marriage? We know that he defines it as a man and a woman. The redefinition of marriage is about attraction and sexuality...not what it's initial purpose was intended to be...a picture of God's relationship with creation. It's the churches last gasp effort to fit in with the cultural norms...and it is a death knell for her current organizational structure.

Sir you seem to be talking a lot about the worlds ways not Gods way regarding marriage. Just read the verses in His Word about marriage between one man and one woman and we see very clearly what He shows us what marriage is to be.

Well he's definitely not a bishop

Incredible how he spent 9 minutes talking, and said nothing. All he raised were straw-man arguments, and bumper sticker slogans, mixed with humor to make his position more appealing. "there's 9 types of marriage in the bible", yes, but the bible only talks about 1 as being right. "there's only 9 verses that talk about same sex marriage in the entire bible, out of 32,000" yes, but all 9 of them condemn it. In addition, not every verse in the bible talks about murder, does that mean that it's not really that important it is fine? All this man raised were point about the church, a body of imperfect, fallen beings, and never once mentioned this the Christ ACTUALLY SAID!

This "churchman" is an affront to the Church and the Christian faith. No wonder the CoE is in the grips of apostacy.

He doesn’t make arguements, just snarky observations. Yes the OT presents various forms of marriage, but just because the Bible describes something, it doesn’t mean it prescribes it. That’s basic close reading, and orthodox exegesis. King Solomon having that many foreign wives went against the law and actually was one of the reasons the kingdom fell. All polygamous marriages in the Bible are presented poorly. They all cause problems. The progressive revelation of the Bible confirms that the Biblical viewpoint of marriage is heterosexual union between one man and one woman. The definitive word is Jesus’. When probed on marriage, that is exactly his response

Great speaker & persuasive although I did notice he didn't base his arguments in scripture but in English law.

Two bishops supporting publicly heresy. What a shame!

Did he just raddle off a lot of useless facts? Or was it just me? then says "marriage is marriage is marriage, and that's it." I am confused.

Dr. Wilson needs to repent of his abandonment of God's word and pray for forgiveness with fear and trembling.

Dr. Alan Wilson, a Historian, Motivational speaker with great intellect! A comedian but not a Bishop of Christ and the Church of God. Dr. is also a scientist.

all of this polemic is pointless. no marriage is possible where no creation of life is possible.

Wow ... he's gonna be feeling really stupid when he stands before the Lord one day.

When Bishops publicly show that they oppose Gods word they should be defrocked

"Some Spanish nun". Is he referring to St. Teresa of Avila? I hope not.

It’s so pathetic when people clap and cheer over the lamest things “marriage is marriage is marriage is marriage”. WOWWWWW so profound!!!! 🙄😂

This is nonsense. What qualifies a person to be a bishop in England? This man is obviously not a Christian. He cannot even quote a scripture in support of what he wants the church to accept because he knows there's no such scripture in the Bible. God loves sinners that's why he wants them to repent not continue in sin.

What about when Jesus said marriage as between one man and a woman? And sex is supposed to be between a man and a woman in marriage. Excluding all that bit of scripture. They were also having sex with animals does that mean that they can do that as well? And if you don't want to have sex with an animal don't have sex with one. That was the same argument slave masters use to be able to keep their slaves.

Seriously, where did all these nut cases come from ?

Wonder how a non-Christian can be a bishop of a church?

Let's be fair to Dr Alan Wilson. It doesn't seem that he really believe this, his heart isn't quite in it. He probably does know the truth.

christians after saying that anyone who doesnt agree with them isnt a true christian 😇🤩🎉🎉✨

Another wolf in sheep's clothing

This is a very curious argument. The Bishop suggests that we (the Christian Church) should accept gay marriage because the definition and idea of marriage has evolved, mostly in the 20th century and that extending it to include gay couples is just a natural progression of the kind that has been going on in the Church from the beginning. The Bible, we are told, describes 9 forms of marriage, by which Wilson means that a marriage in which a wife was property is a different kind of marriage from the kind we have today. Similarly a marriage that assumes sexual consent by default is another different type of marriage. So, the Bible describes different types of marriage and certainly the early church said nothing about the subject. Polygamous marriages, marriages to concubines, marriages to slaves and prisoners of war are all described in the Bible. But description is not condonance and even with all these kinds of marriage, same sex marriages are not mentioned. They are an oxymoron. Anyone who believes that perhaps God had a hand in the Bible will see this as significant, but this will not, of course, include most Anglican Bishops. Wilson denies the concept of Christian marriage, yet the New Testament is clear. Marriage is between one man and one woman, it is a lifelong commitment and all other associated issues within marriage are subject to the Christian norms of consideration, mutual respect and love. This is what we all understand as Christian marriage, a concept that has existed for 2,000 years. The fact that the law has had to step in to curb sinful behaviour within marriage does not mean that marriage itself is a vague conception. Ideas about marriage have changed but this tells us nothing about whether Christians should accept same sex marriage. Wilson thinks that because same sex marriage is here, is enshrined in secular law and ‘it won’t go away’ means that the Church must accept it. The same could be said for adultery of course and who knows, perhaps the Bishop will be suggesting this too. We want to be inclusive, surely? For Wilson there cannot be different classes of marriage, so presumably if I want to marry a donkey, ‘marriage is marriage is marriage’. The disingenuous statement, ’If you think same sex marriage is wrong, don’t marry a homosexual’, misses the point. We are addressing the issue of whether THE CHURCH should accept gay marriage and whether condoning sin is a matter that maybe involves God. It is somewhat shocking to hear a Bishop in the church argue that 9 verses of scripture are ‘fine print’ and can therefore be ignored and that ours is to consider the overarching message: ‘God is love’. This implies that provided I love my donkey, God is happy. It’s a pathetic argument but characteristic of liberal Bishops, who think they can sit in judgment of the Scripture, rather than submitting to it. Such a contempt for God and biblical authority is typical in the Church of England, a church that claims to teach the apostolic faith and to uphold Jesus’ teaching, but in practice is a brood of vipers.

This Bishop will have sexual scandals for sure. He is lucky to live in free country like England.

Sola Scriptura!!!! The Bible and the Bible alone. The question of Marriage shouldn't be answered by the supposed wisdom of mere men such as bishops...the question of Marriage should be answered from the inspired word of God, the Bible. And if one honestly and wholeheartedly searches the scriptures, they will find that Marriage is a divine institution ordained of God reserved for a husband and his wife. Pure blasphemy from this "bishop."

You are all wrong. Plain and simple. Don't be hateful be kind don't judge show love.

And Lord Hugh Cecil never married. Hmm. I think I've got his number, Ducky.

God is indeed love...couldn't disagree with that....BUT would someone who loved you lead you into danger? Would they teach you wrong things just to appease your feelings? The love God shows us is sacrificial, it does not lead us into wrong doing, it protects us, it shows us the way to live our lives. Another sign of the end times.

King Solomon, the son of King David and ruler of Israel, had 700 wives and 300 concubines. These wives were described as princesses and were from various nations. That was not a marriage between one man and one woman but a man and 700 women. The irony.

2 Peter 2:1 NKJV - But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.

a quick google search shows that early church fathers actually had quite a bit to say about marriage, what are this guy's credentials

If you're into Theology and Word of God these are the comedy shows you should watch.

Never take someone seriously who is talking to you while he's hands are in his trousers-pockets.

...having a form of godliness but deny the power thereof, from such we're admonished to turn away.😢

Why is this man a Bishop in a Christian church - not a gospel view in sight? Much better suited to Dawkin's humanism society ?

People always refer to God's love for man, but where is our love for God? God said if you love Me follow My commands. His command was for man to be fruitful and multiply how do two men conceive without a woman or two women without a man? Man has replaced the worship of God the Creator with the worship of man through ideology and science. If the world wants to allow this then let it be, but it is not right for this to be allowed in the church. The body of Christ (The church) belongs to Christ not to man, let not man defile the body.

What a disgusting flippancy in addressing this issue! In the name of Christ, what does it take to become a Bishop in the Anglican church?

To suggest that homosexual sex is mostly about love and monogamous marriage, is to say we should promote and legalise abortion based on rape and incest. How many of the 40 mill mostly men who died horrible deaths since AIDS raised it's ugly head, believed in monogamous love? I wonder if the 98,000 children who died of AIDS in 2021 thought their parents were faithful and monogamous lovers?

This 'bishop' should go forward and emulate King Solomon, if he has the capacity to do so. Most probably, he is mirroring an image of his own self! His former and present Parish members should seriously investigate.

But it's the sexual preference that's called to question here and not whether they would sacrifice for each other or "love" each other.

This is what was talked about in Romans 1. Wish this bishop and the people sitting and sharing his joy - the audience, none have any clue whatsoever, what is Biblical Priesthood. When Holy Spirit is not present one can be as dimwit as possible and the true understanding would never come.

These people are wolves in sheep's clothing trying to impress the world and not Christ!