Dr. Asad Q. Ahmed and Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy on Islam and Science 

But he don’t want to teach physic he just open his potty mouth against Islam people have to leave Islam accept to scince

haha ! so even people who became parents had mentality of 4yr olds ? Its rubbish mentality, stop accepting lies told by ur mullas that peopel were dumb 1500 yrs ago. Pyramids were created 1000s of years before Islam was born, Greeks , Indians and Chinese and other cultures had developed high level maths, astronomy, medicine, metallurgy , sea navigation etc much before Islam

abhi manyu First thing's first. Learn to make your sentences more intelligible. Maybe someone might actually be able to understand a word of what you're saying. A lot of these cowards wouldn't ever dare to come out and speak to the likes of REAL islamic theologians. So they would much rather speak amongst themselves. Also, isn't this the same Jaahil Hoodbhoy who said a tachyon is faster than the speed of light? Just not so, by a majority of physicists. Eye rolling, sniggering amongst yourselves, sophistry and sweet talk no longer works. We want answers to our questions. You can't debate us in logic so you jump to Science like it's somehow exclusive to atheist/agnostics 😂😂. Who on earth said anything about pre-islamic civilisations not being advanced or contributing to the world in which we live in today? Many people other than the Muslimeen have contributed. You seem to be void of 2 things. History and intelligence. By Allah, we will make the Book and the Sunnah penetrate the hearts of this entire United Kingdom. The irony here is the one who purports science and intelligence, is lacking skill in both science and is misunderstood about the nuances of language 😂😂 Allah give you Hidayah

No sir you are wrong. Science doesn't have the processes to prove or disprove the existence of God. Science studies and attempts to explain only the natural world while God, in most religions, is supernatural. National Academy of Science

@Smart Khan yes we believe.

@@BabarUhsmani okay you do that. But then don't bring science into qu'ran. It's got nothing to do with it. You just believe in it and think about killing all the non believers. Good luck.

@@sewaligoswami781 1.science and miracles are two different fields. And we believe on miracles claimed by prophets. . 2. Islam never command ttoo kill non believers civilians, it'sduty of the authority tto protect their wealth and rights.

@@BabarUhsmani oh c'mon seriously. Dude there's so many verses upon verses telling non believers to kill so that judgement day could come. And you if you guys keep religion and faith personal like every other religious people does then no-one have any problem. You just can't apply your miraculous faith on the physical world. That's it. Enjoy life and be happy and let live. Coz you live only once brother.

@@sewaligoswami781 مِنۡ أَجۡلِ ذَٰلِكَ كَتَبۡنَا عَلَىٰ بَنِيٓ إِسۡرَٰٓءِيلَ أَنَّهُۥ مَن قَتَلَ نَفۡسَۢا بِغَيۡرِ نَفۡسٍ أَوۡ فَسَادٖ فِي ٱلۡأَرۡضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ ٱلنَّاسَ جَمِيعٗا وَمَنۡ أَحۡيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَآ أَحۡيَا ٱلنَّاسَ جَمِيعٗاۚ وَلَقَدۡ جَآءَتۡهُمۡ رُسُلُنَا بِٱلۡبَيِّنَٰتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيرٗا مِّنۡهُم بَعۡدَ ذَٰلِكَ فِي ٱلۡأَرۡضِ لَمُسۡرِفُونَ . इसी कारण हमने बनी इस्राईल पर लिख दिया कि जिसने भी किसी प्राणी की हत्या की, किसी प्राणी का ख़ून करने अथवा धरती में विद्रोह के बिना, तो समझो उसने पूरे मनुष्यों की हत्या कर दी और जिसने जीवित रखा एक प्राणी को, तो वास्तव में, उसने जीवित रखा सभी मनुष्यों को तथा उनके पास हमारे रसूल खुली निशानियाँ लाये, फिर भी उनमें से अधिकांश धरती में विद्रोह करने वाले हैं। . For this reason, We decreed for the children of Isrā’īl that whoever kills a person not in retaliation for a person killed, nor (as a punishment) for spreading disorder on the earth, is as if he has killed the whole of humankind, and whoever saves the life of a person is as if he has saved the life of the whole of humankind. Certainly, Our messengers have come to them with clear signs. Then, after all that, many of them are there to commit excesses on the earth. -Surah Al-Ma'idah, Ayah 32

Thank you

young person is young and good at specious argumentation techniques ... he talks fast ... by that token fastest steno typist must be most right ... ability to confuse is not ability to argue correctly ... pleasure derived is short lived gains are of salesman making a quick sale ... after people think calmly they realize their mistakes

You missed the point. Colonialism was the direct or indirect cause that created and encouraged this divide between Islam and Science

@@MuhammadAhmed-lc1op Interesting. Yes I did. Though, it appears that this narrative is not prevailing just in (former) colonies. If it is politically motivated it certainly is global. Though, I guess, both religious and scientific circles have embraced it. I don't see many religious scientists of high calibre in both areas anymore. I may be ignorant.

😅😅😅👆👆👆😅😅😅 Why earthquakes come in deep seas... many times without affecting a single Human???? Perhaps Coz the fishes are non believers. 🤣🤣😅

@@abhishekagrahari1352 no there's no denying causality. It's just the alignment of physical and the meta physical, there're physical reasons of these things happening, and there's this coinciding of such things with evil deeds. The same event can be a punishment for some people, a warning for others, for others still a mercy. It's how you view it. It's not science that you can 'observe'. It's a perception formed on basis of faith, which has reasons other than such events for beleiving.

however you try to excuse bad influence of religion in politics by citing difference in political structure of church and other religion. Preference of revelation give power in hand of interpreter of religion. This has always been true for all organised religions.

But to think that if a arrow is coming at you but you can't act because you can't predict what's gonna happen next!! That's utter bullshit.

+amrutvani2 Sad see that you are another idiotic Hindu who did not bother to actually listen to the debate. What Hoodbhoy says here also applies to Hinduism as he has stated many times.

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what the hell gazali? Is there a name of Gazali in Kuran? Is he also Prophet?! No. He was also man as you. We must think with our brain when reading the Quran)

Prof Hod bai is expert and genius in Physics... He should talk only about science... He is blank about Quran and religion... I challenge him.even he can't read and translate a single verse of Quran..whatever he is talking about science and Islam and religion....

There are many books for various fields. But if you are just starting out, try Halliday and resnick's physics for scientists and engineers.

David Griffith

Religion especially Islam is kind of time machine which struck most of its followers locked in 7th century. People who believe in religious scriptures are living in wrong century.

He is prof of phy,but he Don,t know the single verse of Quran. He did not give any verse frm Quran.hw he dare to talk about islam and Quran.first he should learn the Quran and then he wl b able to talk correctly

@@ghazalimuhammad4669 Is it necessary to know Quran nd then talk about science ?? Now , dont say non-muslims cant speak about this...☺😊

@@optimusprime5199 well said sir thank you

But you missing the point...he is not saying that science has all the answers...hes simply striving for answers and thats it..religion always claims to have the answer but no proofs.....childish answers

Not sure if he does that. But it is a very irrelevant comment and shouldn't matter a tiny bit.

It doesn't as he explained.

True but Dr. Hoodbhoy is still a force for good in the academic world as he is a voice of progressive ideology and he personally supports upliftment of science in the Muslim world. Unlike Dr. Ahmed (who is doing a great service himself though in reviving knowledge of history), Dr. Hoodbhoy's work is leading in its own small way to inspiring Muslims to attain heights in science as they once had attained in the medieval period.

Hoodbhoy is the epitome of intellectual dishonesty, no good has ever come from him, nor will, all he's doing is leading Muslims astray, he's a bloody Islamophobe

Well that's wot he has tried to explain citing Ghazali that there is no harm in making models even if they contradict with religious beliefs as long as they don't enter the sphere of metaphysics. Lemme explain in this way, hypothetically speaking, a religious muslim belief says when homosexuality starts spreading on a certain part of the world (any city, country etc) then Allah sends tremors and earthquakes to punish people for disobeying and committing sin. Now we all know that how earthquakes are caused and what are the physical reasons behind it as they occur on Jupiter and other planets too. But when u would try to prove that its not because of Allah's command then the modern scientific philosophy which requires something to be a scientific fact would contradict with itself because the empirical proof needed to prove something like a "divine command" is not available. Likewise LIFE coming into existence by itself because of chemical reactions is pretty much on the cards and can very well be a model of how we came into existence, in this case u r arguing evolution which could be acceptable (even though its still a hypothesis but a very persuasive one) as a model but then if u will try to take it as an argument to the next level and say since I have discovered and scientifically proven how life came into existence, this means I can use it as a proof by virtue of which I can declare there is no God. This is wot would take u into the metaphysics sphere and u will violate the principles of modern science which requires proof. Plus Ghazali also said as told by Dr. Ahmed that if something is established as a fact and is a proven scientific fact by using modern scientific methods but it contradicts the belief (previously a fact) which was based on a religious belief system of some sort then it should be rejected, which means the interpretation which was done of the religious scripture which lead to that certain false fact was faulty. I have tried to explain to the best of my knowledge I hope I succeeded and plz excuse me if i failed to explain. May Allah have mercy...

shuja ud din jawad thank you for the reply. we cant scientifically disprove god just like we cant prove that unicorns dont exist but cant models of how the universe works disprove certain claims that religious people make?

shuja ud din jawad well maybe the word "disprove" isn't right but all of the evident reality can point to the answer being something different to what is written in holy books and there is no reason to belive otherwise unless you have faith in a certain ideology.

shuja ud din jawad so that metaphysical logic can exist but it describes a universe in which we dont live.

shuja ud din jawad and there is no link from the actual physical event of the earthquake to the metaphysical explanation for it. for someone to claim that it was because of the divine creator has no reason to make that statement.

+joydeep sengupta Sad see that you are another idiotic Hindu who did not bother to actually listen to the debate. What Hoodbhoy says here also applies to Hinduism as he has stated many times.-------------

ACTUALLY ONLY A FEW PEOPLE LIKE HOODBHOEY IN PAK.

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Faizan shah g display picture farangi ki lagai hwi hy aur keh rahay hein ky Egalish nahi atai

he said, it has political / socio economic reasons. In the colonial era. Q& A missin from the video :/

@@SufyanElahi82 political and social economic problems happen to Islam only?not to any other religions?

@@sanjeebmohanty616 You asked he didn't say why the status now. The lad answered, it happened due to political social economic stuff happening during colonialism. Point being , the status has roots in other factors other than Islam or it's scholars, and this is what he gave evidence for by quoting ghazali that he didn't denounce building scientific models or causation or scientific study/method. It happens to communities, not to religions. What we're trying to do is trace roots, which according to hoodbouy are in religious dogma and the other gentleman tried to prove otherwise.

@@SufyanElahi82 That is what I am asking even if there was so much encouragement to science why the situation is so miserable now?Colonialism started when? If it is only to community then why whole Islamic world is suffering to this? Or it is by giving some isolated cases the gentleman is ignoring the root cause?Is islam such an oppressed religion that it couldn't do any scientific progress in modern world?

You obviously seem to have been stuck in the 1900's science. You need to update yourself into the 21st century Science. I guess you are still stuck in the Newtoninan kind of science when the cutting edge science is in Quantum science age. Update your self , that might help you .

You obviously seem to have been stuck in the 1900's science. You need to update yourself into the 21st century Science. I guess you are still stuck in the Newtoninan kind of science when the cutting edge science is in Quantum science age. Update your self , that might help you .

quoting quoting quoting his investigations which become evidences for his stance - so , simply making the point narrating the evidences that led him there.

Just because supernatural has the possibility of existing doesn't mean I claim to be a prophet, write a book, and say hey it's from God. Do you understand that? Do you understand that having no proof of supernatural doesn't mean we should believe in santa Claus as well. Did your tiny brain grow a bit?

Unlike the so called belivers, he does not claim to know all. Thats his honesty!

@@aradhyatyagi123 Neither do the believers lol

not numbers but decimal system .

Please read Encyclopedia Britannica. Arabs learned numbers and arithmetic from Indians. Encyclopedia Britannica refers to numbers as Hindu numerals. The Arab word for arithmetic is Ilm Hindsa.

is liye tum log zero they ho aur raho gey 😂

@@mohammadibrahimmir8367 Lol, Abey converted madrassa chap, humse bheek kyu mangtai ho tum medical visa's ki? Tumharai flag pe moon hai aur humara flag moon pe hai. Hum aaj Mars Ko orbit kar rahe hai aur tum Kashmir ko. Tumhari aukat nahi hai India se muqabla karne ki.

konsa mars... tatti krne ki jaga nae tumare mulk mein... kuttey se bhi battar zindagi hai... beef khaane pe maar detey ho... tourist ko rape kartey... bloody animals.

+cjs maan Why did you NOT watch the debate?

That what retarded people do im sure a lots of muslims are also intelligent but if you compare it in percentage muslims are far behind Christian jew and atheists

I saw 18, but must be more.

Totally agreed

Ohh really!

@@irshadkhan-fv5nt yes really

Sorry Bhai :(

even if that concept not correct they not kill and loot someone wealth as you do in the name of Allah. blood sucker

@@parvkaurav7973 and lynchings and riots shouting Jai Shree ram. Raping and Pillage and tearing womb of a woman with trishul and impaling her foetus on trishul and chanting Jai Shree Ram

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He has opinions on "present day issues" based on an extremely flawed understanding of Islamic Intellectual history and philosophy of science. Dr. Asad just exposed that understanding. Also, when it comes to providing solutions for present day problems, knowledge of history is crucial, something that Hoodbhoy seems to lack. This begs the question, why should his solutions be taken seriously?

@@MuhammadAhmed-lc1op Dr Hoodbhoy is brilliant. Islam is a relic of the past and must now be discarded. Let's drop these man-made superstitions like Islam. and move forward. Dr. Asad is a tool. He should be ignored.

Mr Yogi you are living in fools paradise. The hate against Pak is in Your DNA and you are not able to differentiate right or Wrong

Really? Hoodboy was such a clown that Asad was laughing at 3:39:36

@@daniyalsayeed Yes, Idiots usually laugh at intellectual statements because the Idiots cannot understand them. They think that it is funny but pity, it is beyond them. Asad is a kid.

You didn't listen to anything, he answers that Al-Ghazali was not "anti-rationalist" he was simply against their mode of logical system (greek one) on intellectual grounds, the whole Ghazali-Averroes thing was a philosophical argument and even Averroes argued against Avicenna, this was not a new thing. The whole so called problem with Ghazali is birthed from idiocy and is answered around 50 minutes in or so. Lastly, the Sun Setting is a literal figure of speech, the verses including embryos are separate unrelated verses even according to the opinion held by Al-Tabari and Ibn Kathir. You sound like a mentally r3tarded idiot trying to act like a pseudo-intellectual, cease from trying to understand things which go beyond your tiny mental capability.

Do you know every modern historian rejects the claim of al ghazali being anti rationalist this claim was popularised by neil Tyson who isn't even a historian

That's because you're still watching the video with a bias. If you cared about the truth, you'd actually investigate Asad Ahmed's claim (read books, articles)

@@MuhammadAhmed-lc1op this idiot is just repeating same old orientalist delusion and anti Islamic claims thinking he is being a rationalist lmfao

Accusing me of having a bias begs a question of you, how in the world do you read people's minds? Besides, even if there is some bias according to you, that does not absolve you from the duty of presenting a fact-based counter-- asking others to read books and articles is taking the easy escape from having to be specific.@@MuhammadAhmed-lc1op