Not a big fan of Layne, watched him many times and his believes are the opposite of longtime researchers like, Dr Tim Nokes, Dr Erick Westman, Dr Jason Fung and others I follow. Thumbs down Layne.
I have lost all respect and have stopped listening to anything Layne touts. I think he's an arrogant bully. Honestly I could care less about his interpretation of your work. Your studies and the information you are trying to share with the public is so important and helpful. I truly believe this will one day change the way we see the whole lipid/cholesterol model. I am a LMHR and finally have an explanation for what has been going on with me. Thanks for all you do and keep up the great work!
I could have told you that back when he cheated on his pregnant ex-wife and then gaslit her on social media. Dude is a complete narcissist, just a terrible person.
Layne Norton is a clown. Lame Norton was Bart Kay's moniker for him and I believe it fits him well. I suspect Dr Don Layman is embarrassed by his stupidity. I have made several comments about his debating you knowing he will never agree to that. Keep up the great work Dr Norwitz you are one of the few researchers we can all trust.
Layne will never debate Nick because he knows he is intellectually out-matched. I think Layne would rather challenge Nick to a weight-lifting competition. 😂
True. I do like that he apparently tries to correct misinformation, I don't necessarily like his presentation. His way of trashing others probably mainly appeals to people who don't want to be educated in the first place, but who want to feel superior over others.
Nutrition beyond very shallow understanding requires diving deeper into metabolism and biochemistry of different body processes, so if you stop at that very shallow level you soon find yourself arguing from authority because you just don't know how that thing your learned works just a single level deeper.
Actually, Layne is a great example of a person who thinks that because he has a degree in something, he knows everything and that he can act as an a**. I wonder what that makes the people who have been hosting him for years (see PA)
The bigger issue is people constantly driving his publicity. He is a troll, a marketer, and he doesn’t care about the data. He wants views, arguments, and controversy. He repeatedly shows this with his way of interacting with others. If everyone stopped giving him attention he would fade away.
Lame Norton and Attia are birds of a feather. They make their careers as YT influencers. So when someone comes along with a significant game changer in the world of metabolic health, they suffer from classic professional jealousy by making others look bad to make themselves look good. And it's backfiring on them.
@@erxishang61 yeah attia is not as bad as Norton but is still a close minded shill imo. He was rude and acted without class when he had the well respected professor seyfried on his podcast.
Just please don’t change the title of this video. You often will post and flip-flop on the title if it is too controversial. Just stand by it. Great video.
@@nicknorwitzPhD You will have to provide an example where you believe Layne is "indoctrinated with the wrong information," other than his review of the LMHR data which is said was "great," I'm not a fan of Layne, but maybe I've been "indoctrinated" with the same wrong information. Layne is middle of the road. He goes after vegan diets, low fat diets just as much as any other diet. I guess he's part of the establishment.
@@jakubchrobry3701 Let me clarify, the statement was "[having a] degree doesn’t mean that he wasn’t indoctrinated with the wrong information." I meant this is true. It's simply a true statement. It's not actually an accusation of an individual, although there is an implication. It's a statement you could apply to me as well. I have a PhD, but that doesn't mean what I say is gospel.
Layne is a prime example of how broken the field of 'nutrition' is - I get it, people have spent years studying 'nutrition' and it is a tough pill to swallow that most of what you learned was completely wrong.
It’s because biochemistry and nutrition is controlled by biophysics and light. Layne has no earthly idea about this and probably doesn’t want to know because it would completely crumble his paradigm.
The field of nutrition, like almost all fields involving health science, is highly compromised by corporate influence. It's no longer science, it's marketing.
@@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans 4 days later and no response, so my guess it's something he heard in a podcast that sounded cool and never actually understood, so your question will forever float in the void.
Nicely done. The algorithm sent me his review; I try to keep an open mind, but I did think his response was weak, and I wondered what you would make of it. It was nice to see some of my thoughts reflected in your response, particularly that your n=1 result is not out of the blue, it's predicted by the model. That's a very different thing.
Nick, this is great. So well done. You are a stand up guy. Lane, on the other hand, is an arrogant "know it all" clown of epic proportions. Thank you Doc. Keep up the great work. It is SO appreciated!
This guy here sells a book and describes himself or at least let describe himself as "Dr. Nicholas Norwitz is a new shining star in nutrition science". This is hilarious and pure comedy, when you describe layne as a overconfident bully^^ Layne is offensively going against real sharlatans like brecka, saladino and so on. Dont know if he's right about everything but describing his overall messages as you folks do here, is simply pathetic. If you dont like someone whose a little offensive, just dont watch him...
He declined a debate because he’s not interested in the truth or understanding. He is simply seeking attention. It doesn’t serve this purpose to debate you especially if it could lead to him looking intellectually inferior.
@@nicknorwitzPhD which is why he is not deserving of your attention or feedback. Stop addressing him, he is not your concern. Your mind is better served elsewhere.
@@thehealthofash my view is Nick doesn’t need to convince everyone, just the right people. Layne isn’t one of them. Like everyone, Nick has limited time and resources. If he doesn’t do a lot of these then fine I guess. But he does have a huge task at hand that will likely take several years to breakdown barriers. Keep in mind the whole sat fat story began in the 1960s and is still with us today despite advances in our ability to monitor and track various elements of heart and lipid health. The medical industrial complex will fight him all the way and there is no guarantee he will prevail.
Thank you, thank you, thank you Nick! There are a lot of people who I disagree with who don’t rub me the wrong way but Norton is exactly what your colleague said: a bully. I would call him something worse but let’s just keep things simple. Norton has long been needing a major humbling.
We need him to call out all these carnivore, keto, vegan, unqualified zealots who make all or nothing claims about the narratives they’re pushing. Those people need to be humbled And I really don’t think he was harsh about this topic and in fact quite humble, especially for Layne. He didn’t say anything to discredit this research and in fact did praise it But I do agree though that it is frustrating that he won’t accept a discussion. It would be immensely beneficial for us viewers that are not formally educated in nutritional science.
@codyfrisch4378 I don’t see your lives as utter BS lol. But I think carnivore influencers declaring vegetables or fruits are bad for you and it’s the way humans are meant to live is BS. It works for some, makes other feel horrible and there is zero data to support it long term. Just like being vegetarian, just like being vegan.
@codyfrisch4378 Religion has saved the lives of many people, no matter the religion, yet each insists they're the only 'correct' religion. Diet zealots are similar and with just about as much fact to back it up. As today's SM victim, Dr. Norton likes to say, when protein and calories are equated, all diets are equally effective. I feel the same way about these diets as I do or people saved by religion, I'm glad it worked for you, but I don't need you to try and save me with it.
Education means nothing else than that you have mannage to remember enouth shit for long enough to pass a test it does not prove that you understand a subject or that you are smarter than other people
I like how Layne says “ I literally have a PhD”. LoL. Literally. He’s a tool. When somebody says that to me, I usually just turn off, And move on. keep in mind Layne is just a nutritionist as if that means something these days
@dsonyay, "... a nutritionist as if that means something these days" It certainly DOES mean something to me these days: "The origins of the anti-meat message with Dr. Gary Fettke - Diet Doctor Podcast" -- Diet Doctor 2019-10-08 ( 55: 29 ) ( Search: 8e1hoIFzn4Y ) "Belinda Fettke - 'Nutrition Science: How did we get here?' " -- Low Carb Down Under (dietitians) 2019-11-09 ( 23: 03 ) ( Search: FTe-eitOJGA "3 Things to Know about Registered Dietitians! [Michelle Hurn, RD]" -- KenDBerryMD 2023-04-04 ( 48: 41 ) ( Search: ut7lZP3QHrc
Thanks for actually representing the real newer data and explanations of this model. Also while holding back from Ad-Hominem unlike Layne. I get that's his schtick at this point, but it's just childish. Especially because he has dragged his feet through the sand with newer developments and theories. Some holes he tries to poke are warranted. But others is just him misrepresenting realistic ways of thinking, undermining new potential ways of understanding. Top notch man as always.
I stopped clicking on anything that has Layne Norton's name on it quite a while back, this video excluded obviously. I've recognized him as a bully for some time. Layne seems to like being the smartest person in the room, or at least pretend to be. The reason he will not debate Nick is because in a room with the two of them, he would clearly be the least intelligent by a large volume. Some people get their 15 minutes of fame and with efficient marketing, extend it over a lifetime. Layne seems to be one of those people.
Nick thank you for the candour and de-escalation mindset you have brought in trying to get people back to the data and science and away from the passion. It's very common when the fight-flight response kicks in that logic goes away in favour of feelings. Perhaps with the regrettable events Layne is experiencing right now that he isn't thinking as straight as he could be.
It is very likely that Layne has NPD. He can only improve if he becomes self-aware or diagnosed (in which people with NPD rarely get diagnosed because they don't think anything is wrong with them and they rarely ever seek help) and gets long-term therapy for it.
Thank you for this Nick. Once again, awesome job. I stopped following Layne almost 6 months ago because I got tired of his whiny approach and ignorant bullying. I’m like many others here… I’m just interested in the truth and the data and the science. His treatment of quite a few people I admire (including Dr. Paul Saladino), in my view, has been completely juvenile. I couldn’t take it anymore and stopped listening to him. I’ve concluded he’s just not a super bright guy. So I’m glad you did this post. Keep it up. I love all of it.
Layne is the clear example of what the big Richard Feiyman said: "Never confuse education with intelligence, you can have a PhD and still be an idiot" . He blocked me from everywhere because I was trying to debate him that CICO is a poor model in humans , and that LEM is a great investigation area.
Sorry to ruin your fairy tale but Feynman was a bully, probably more so than Mr Norton. He was more methodical, prepared his pranks better and truly humbled his adversaries. The very fact that he called anyone idiot is a big clue :) And I think he was awesome if only because of that.
What, if anything, is a lay person meant to take away from this study? How many people are able to truly understand this and take anything meaningful away from it?
Ordinarily, critical answers do little as they tend to result in “tit for tat” bickering, however I think you are responding in the vain of the ancient wisdom, “answer a fool as his folly deserves, lest he be wise in his own eyes.” You are leveraging these critiques in a tactful and documented manner that will cause others to be cautious about speaking critically. The reason, I believe, that some of these folks won’t debate openly with you. Great job Nick. Love your work! From one LMHR to another 😃
Never heard about this guy, but I'll tell you something: people I know who emphasize messages like "Data > feelings" or "I don't have opinions, I just consume data" are usually very very sensitive with most of their feelings and emotions.
Norton is a self-generated social media character and "influencer," desperate to be considered a true academic. He fundamentally lacks the ability to be humble, nuanced, thoughtful and reflective. Too bad we live in a time when only the loud and brash get clicks. Sadly, the average American is also complicit and has fully lost the ability to find the signal through the noise. The movie 'Idiocracy' is playing out in real life.
An sufficiently educated individual would probably not take up bodybuilding without atleast making it clear it's a personal thing and not recommended cuz you know. overworking your body probably isn't healthy
@@Mallchad Physical activity is inarguably a healthy thing, we have tons of research on it. And from what I've seen, more coming on muscle strength associations with longevity.
@@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans exercise? can be, to varying degrees, depending on the exercise. Bodybuilding isn't one of them. as far as I can tell I really don't like associative studies though they do not provide much insight.
Nick is a smart dude, especially applying rule #4 of Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals to hold Layne to account for himself under his “data over feelings” mantra. Rule #4 is as follows: “Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.”
The history of science is full of combative egomaniacs. Read the terrible story of Longitude... Newton and others come out looking like jerks as they failed relative to a humble clock maker. Kudos to Nick for trying to reduce the vitriol and siphon off some of the heat.
RU-vid is the only social media platform where I have an account, so I never visit Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. Seeing those rude and mean social media posts by Layne was surprising to me. For the past several months, I've been subscribed to his channel and watched his "What the Fitness" videos each Friday. But, no longer. I've just unsubscribed. I figured Layne was just playing a character in his videos, but those social media posts of his seem to indicate he's really not a nice person. Plus, apparently, he doesn't know as much as he claims. Humility > Ego
Former. I'm a medical student running around the hospital like a Hamster on a wheel. I had 20 minutes during a lunch break so I put my phone down to respond to Layne as I felt it was warranted. Remember, I'm not a career influencer, like Layne... just a med student with an iPhone and some enthusiasm.
I glance over the fact you're a real guy with a real career and a real degree. I tend to confuse "entertainer" nick with a fake version that doesn't exist without the collective substance that brought you into this point, showing how much your presentation of cascades of information that uncovers overlooked, extant and oftentimes buried data. Being serious for a second, you're showing a lot of serious engagement with a guy blatantly arguing in bad faith over data that he doesn't agree with, and decides to harass you for reasons beyond my comprehention. Thank you for not stooping down to his level and making it into a petty childish slapfight. I would totally drop acid with you, having your interest expand to neurology and entheogen culture would be so cool! Sincerely, A big fan, and a bit of an admirer!
Yes Dr Norwitz. Your lookin real good. Stethoscope, scrubs etc. Like an MD! Don't sweat Lame Norton. If he has any questions, or expresses any skepticism, just refer him to Prof Bart Kay. He will take care of him...
Don't worry. I didn't sweat this... took me 15 minutes during lunch at the hospital. ~30 if you include watching Layne's coverage on 2X speed. Not a big effort. I outsource editing.
@russbrown6453 Bart Kay is not who you think he is. He has made erroneous mistakes in the past. Yes, he has. To people with zero competence, he looks extremely competent. To anyone with intermediate level understanding of stats and science? He looks like a clown, partly. Proving that Bart has misunderstood certain things doesn't require a debate. What's required is only common sense, application of logic and a decent reasoning mind.
@@markaguilera493 Yup! I think his audience overestimates Bart's competence and intelligence. Bart is by no means the guy who you ask when you wanna be absolutely sure about something. I think his diagnosis traps him. Not saying this to be rude. But his diagnosis prevents him from interpreting concepts from a multi-dimensional point of view.
I understand the paper's assertion "Oreo cookies were chosen as a canonical 'unhealthy food' and as a demonstration that carbohydrate quality is not as relevant as the simple presence of carbohydrates for reducing LDL-C in the LMHR phenotype." However, this explanation is unsatisfying and seems to taint the perception of your study. Why not use glucose syrup, maltose syrup, etc.? It gives the impression to people who might come in with contrary prior beliefs that the selection of Oreos is to engineer misleading public interpretation of the paper that "LDL can't matter because Oreos make it go down" when the hypothesis is instead any carbohydrate would work in the unusual circumstance of acute supplementation in LMHR people. And I should be clear that I am pro-keto, very skeptical of the mainstream understanding of the role of LDL that all you need to know is "cumulative exposure" as if it were a poison, and so on. It just seems like the well is a little poisoned from the study design.
Exactly. He could have chosen any carb, such as rice or something, and get the same effect. It seems that he chose oreos just to get attention and be obnoxious and that's not going to get him respect from the scientific community.
@@justsaying7065DATA>Feelings. The science community shouldn't be driven by feelings, they should be driven by the Data, as Layne so aggressively points out. I appreciate very much Dr. Nick choosing Oreos. It did what you said first, bring attention. Which is very important. If the science community is going to be upset over Dr. Nick picking an Oreo for an experiment, then it says so much about the 'science community' , don't you think. This experiment actually worked because I never knew Nick before this and now I know him. The Data, as even Layne points out, is actually on point. And that is the point of science.
@@justsaying7065 We aren't looking for "respect". We are looking for scientific truth based on research and inquiry. Research and inquiry which will not happen if attention is not focused on this issue. The "oreo cookie" stunt is what has brought you here, so I guess it's working. Note that not much attention was being focused on this prior to the stunt. Scientists are human too, and sometimes need to be cajoled out of needless conformity, just like all other humans.
Layne's PhD is way bigger than yours. It could easily crush yours. I have never in my life seen such a huge PhD. You should give up. His PhD is really insurmountable, and trying to out-PhD him is a hopeless task.
Lol. Got me for a sec 🤣. Yes, the value of a PhD correlates perfectly with the number of times one bring it up in conversation. He might have the record for the biggest PhD ever.
Love this channel and the information it provides, but I love it even more for how you fired back at Layne. Especially after his bully antics against everyone lowcarb, keto, carnivore, or animal based.
@@vegeta5402, Well, I don't think that the "well orchestrated symphony of attacks ... deserves a standing ovation", but the responses from Dr. Norwitz that I have seen might.
From my understanding, TG are rising in a chronically hyperinsulinaemic state ONLY AFTER the fat cells starts getting trouble in "sucking in" these TG and storing these...
norton just want publicity!!!he does'nt care about the health of humanity..he is talking dangerously and non-sense..that guy must be punished by God...
I don’t get the credibility some give lame Norton. He never is explicit about his data. And much of his opinion is based on epistemology. And how accomplished is he really? A PhD in nutrition? 😅 He really isn’t very bright or at least not well read.
No wonder a lot of us assume that PhD actually means Dunning Kruger. My experience when I taught at the local college was the more advanced the degree the less common sense was available. How does that go, science advances one funeral at a time?
Layne has embarrassed himself. This was so avoidable. So much bravado and bluster. He really could do with a touch of humility. Well delivered on this, Nick. I admire the tone you & Dave have taken throughout this. You're much more patient than most would be!
The poor dude doesnt understand that having a PHD in nutrition only allows him to read papers at a high level, but to really understand on a lower level and analyze it he needs to be a expert at whatever the papers is expressing in this case lipidology or many hours of research and back and forth with the scientist who wrote the paper, being a random on the internet with a PHD wont give you that. Thank you for calling him out, one less hypocrite dude i need to listen too which on the internet are many.
Many have argued the USA debased the currency that a PhD conveys by giving out way, way too many PhDs, many going to people not really having deep knowledge in their field. Layne offers strong support for that theory.
I listened to about 5 minutes of him talking to Thomas DeLour the other day and had to turn it off after seeing how emotional, sarcastic and condescending he was, right off the bat. It seems he cares more about his ego than objective reality
Yeah Layne is sadly one of many nowadays who only have a degree to make it easier for him to win argument, not caring if his points are actually true, this is an really pathetic ego especially since many believe him despite him not caring about the whole truth and only what benefits his ego of being the one "who knows"
I don't understand these "science based" guru/influencers. Even if they think the LEM and LHMR are wrong, why not join in the research to prove it one way or the other. It is perhaps one of the most important human health issues on the planet.
Just curious you’re referring to a paradigm shift in which area? The topic discussed in this video or something else? Because I notice Layne Norton dismisses anything which is different from what he learnt. Anything from fasting for weight loss, carnivore diet, or the carbohydrate insulin model instead of energy balance model.
I think it's important to remember that most people won't listen to information unless it's packaged in a digestible way. Layne is abrasive, but he gets people's attention and he debunks a lot of the low-hanging fruit such as the terrible nutrition and exercise misinformation from other RU-vidrs, chiropractors, and gurus. In longer interviews, Layne shows that he cares about being accurate and not misrepresenting data as much as possible and he remains teachable. I used to not like Layne Norton and he won me over after awhile. It's important to examine multiple sources of credible information and all things, so I definitely take everything Layne says with a grain of salt. More than anything, a proper explanation usually takes hours, it's basically impossible to condense information without misrepresenting or omitting something. I love how PHDs are able to have open discourse and give correction to each other here on RU-vid, it's a great thing! It's a shame to hear Layne is being resistant to said correction from peers
This is great pullback. I'd give Layne some time, he will have chat with you. It does appear his mouth ran away from his brain in this occasion. The top comments read like bunch of spoiled little girls who were stared the wrong way. Layne will fuel his influence even more from that weak energy. If you think he is bully you have not left your fairytale castle. Some of the most genius and resourceful people in science and engineering were worse (Feynman so nicely brought up was really a bully, Shockley was a bully, Edison was a bully). We need both his kind and the soft spoken nerd kind to go forward. 80% of people could never keep attention to the kind of accademic and concise delivery of nerd. Even some who are really smart.
I honestly appreciate Layne for going as hard as he does after the real charlatans on the web. He does that very well. IMO He did make some mistakes in his analysis of these studies and he should have called in some help from a cardiologist or lipidologist. However, his advice based on these studies was not that bad, but I did not see any comments cite him on that: A lean person with perfect blood markers on keto probably has a lower chance of health issues later on than that same person with high LDL-C. I am sure the researchers would agree that very high LDL-C in LMHR is unlikely to be completely risk free as saying otherwise is an absolute statement not (yet) supported by the data.
The LMHR stuff is hardly convincing as of now to use as a tool for personal assurance. The massive amount of data from thousands of people showing quite clear signal that Apo-B can not be ignored, even on lean and fit individuals. Who cares there are 1 in 10000 people who are unaffected? And you only truly find out if you lived to old age with high LDLc. Most probably do not. As if there do not exist ways to be low carb, eat meat, eat plant and have the Apo-B (along with LDLc) in check. Why it has to be black and white - an American thing? Even harder fact to ignore that people who exercise a lot can get a way with some pretty bad habits and still live to old age in good health. Layne was ignorant on assessing their work, but he does give much better grounded advice on how to live healthy and long.
@@ThingsYoudontwanttohear I think this is the point of Nick's research. We cannot say that, "a thin healthy person on keto with low LDL is *probably* at lower risk than a thin healthy person on keto with high LDL." The answer to that is: we don't know because we have not studied lean healthy people on keto with high LDL. Those studies are currently under way. Until these studies are complete, we can make no claim, and offer no probabilistic reference, for whether high LDL increases risk, reduces risk, or has zero effect on risk in an otherwise healthy, lean, long-term ketogenic person. And like so many out there, I am keenly interested in seeing the results when they are published. ❤
@@ketolomicsI think you are putting the bar too high. Would you say that we also cannot say that a lean person on keto will probably not survive intense dose of radiation that has been shown to be deadly on subjects of all shapes and sizes while on various diets, but not on lean keto dieters?
@@ThingsYoudontwanttohear You pose what's known as a "straw man" fallacy. I pose an argument (unknown effects of high LDL in lean, otherwise healthy individuals following ketogenic nutrition). You distort the argument (comparing LDL risk to radiation risk) and then criticizing me for claiming that radiation poses no risk to people based on diet. Radiation poses known, mechanistic risk via cellular and DNA damage. LDL, meanwhile, exhibits widely differing associations with, for example, atherogenesis or MCI (myocardial infarction). The correlation between LDL and MCI is poor (something like 25% shared variance). A large element of LDL-related risk appears to be attributable to metabolic status (especially chronic hyperinsulinemic heteroglycemia). The metabolic status of the individual is indicated by elevated fasting insulin but also by elevated TAG (>80 or so) and low HDL (under 50 or so). Whereas radiation poses invariant risk (high doses are always destructive), LDL appears to be high sometimes in people of great age and health (see, e.g., the Leyden study) but low often times in people with early-onset cardiovascular disease. So, yes: I am suggesting that due to the overall metabolic profile of long term, whole food, ketogenic nutrition, it is plausible that they may reveal lower, not higher, risk of heart disease. This is further supported by the fact that KD enhances antioxidant status (via free radical scavenging, lowered mitochondrial ROS production, lowered glycolytic ROS production, increased mitochondrial turnover, and increased antioxidant enzyme synthesis - catalase, SOD, peroxyredoxin, glutathione, etc), through enhanced vascular endothelial cell function (tight junctions, stem cell stabilization, enhanced omentin-1 function, etc), through enhanced elimination of cellular debris (upregulated autophagy) through reduced pro-inflammatory and increased anti-inflammatory function (lowered NLRP3 inflammasome assembly, decreased M1 macrophage State and increased M2 macrophage state, etc). Importantly, KD recapitulates the metabolic state of semi-starvation that is the hallmark of lifespan maximization across every species of animal we have tested - canonically characterized by persistently low activity along the insulin-insulin like growth factor signaling pathway. So, yes, I think the jury is out on high LDL in lean, otherwise healthy individuals whose LDL rises substantially but stably during long term (>1 year), whole food, ketogenic (BOHB > 1.0mmol) nutrition. Plausible. Experimental data will help elucidate the relationship and the underlying mechanisms of action. Good luck on your health journey! 🌄
Nick 'The Karate Kid' Norwitz taking on the physically formidable Dr Layne Norton. Keep the fight just science and get some of that green powder haha. Andre
@nicknorwitzPhD You have a intellect that has people like Dr Brewer involved for a reason. I like your honesty and the way you try to convey science yet not getting caught in the weeds. Keep it up sir. Andre
@@nicknorwitzPhD Dr Norton has a fantastic success rate treating weight loss and he has a place, he is a role model as a athlete and I obviously stay out of this you two got going on. Both of you two are way out of my league, I support you both. Reduce visceral fat!!!! Andre
You really pissed off a lot of people just by running an experiment. The fact that a lot of people are so up in arms about this is really telling. They have a lot less of a grasp on the processes and mechanism of the body than they claim.
Fck! I was suppose to drop my LDL 100 points!!??? Thanks a lot LANE!!! I took 100 drops of acid and woke up 10 days later in a half eaten pallet of stolen Oreo's. Now every Oreo I see sprouts arms and legs and makes faces at me!! MAKE IT STOP LANE, MAKE IT STOP!!!
I feel this question needs to be addressed by the scientific community, (if in fact there is good data and knowledge that is definitive on this) ??? From a molecular structure perspective, do you know if the cholesterol found in animal based products, like say ground beef, or different types of steak, is the exact chemcial nature and structure produced organically by our internal organs, (namely the liver) I find it very curious that ''cholesterol'' from diet sources, got so much negative attention the past 50 years, while the public remained largely ignorant that 75 to 80% of cholesterol in the body is made organically, (am I correct in this?)
If LDL damaged the endothelium then we would see the same problem in veins that are seen in the arteries. LDL particles travel through both blood vessels. Veins have the same endothelium as arteries. But atherosclerosis does not happen in the veins.
@@Corkfish1 Disagree. There are many examples of people like Nicholas Norwitz who have LDL levels in the hundreds yet have no heart disease. And there are also many people with low LDL levels who still have heart disease and die from heart attacks.
Thanks Nicholas! Finally someone calling this tool out. He does such an insane disservice to your average person trying to research nutrition topics by focusing solely on being contemptuous towards others doing good work.
So do y’all think that low carb is better than anything else, unlike he says? He and other body builders have just said it’s ALL ABOUT CALORIE Restriction
Is this supposed to be a takedown? Because it's more like a gentle tap on the shoulder. It comes across more like he accidentally hurt your feelings. Also, here's a friendly tip: Next time you set up a camera, try aiming it at eye level instead of the ceiling fan. And about the whole stethoscope and scrubs ensemble... It smacks of, please think I'm a good Dr., But hey, I'll never criticize someone who advocates for more Oreos in my life! Let's dunk our troubles away, shall we?
I've known Layne for over 20 years. Definitely well above average IQ and crazy work ethic, wouldn't say genius IQ, however I am surprised he didn't understand the logic of the carb increase decreasing lipids in the subjects of the study if Dr. Norwitz explicitly explained it to him in their communications, as while the lipid decrease seemed counter-intuitive to me (which is what Layne seemingly expressed in the video) it only took a few minutes for me to understand how it worked from watching this video. Maybe Layne responded how he did because he was focusing on LDL and believes statins are a better way to decrease LDL for most people as the research clearly shows LDL is closely associated with heart disease, statins lower it, and clearly reduce heart disease (but like most any medicine with positive benefits, statins have negative effects as well.) I have high-LDL (not over 200 though) and the only thing that gets it in a "healthy" range is being really lean. Low-carb can get me really lean (mainly because I'm cutting calories without cutting a lot of healthy micro-nutrients,) KETO not so much...and it sucks if you actually want to have seriously energy for high-intensity physical activity, which is probably the most important factor for me if I want to lose bodyfat (you know the calories out side of the equation) since I don't like to cut calories too much, and I'm very responsive to metabolic adaptation (thankfully works the other way too that once I get lean I can pretty rapidly increase calories - reverse diet hard - and not gain fat.) I'd love to see more studies for a lot of things related to muscle gain, fat loss, LDL, and other markers of metabolic health, but somebody has to fund them, and while this is an interesting study, LMHRs are a rare population so I'm not sure how this applies to those who aren't, but maybe the takeaway for me is that if I went low-carb and got really lean, adding more carbs in after that would further lower my LDL. Only a blood test will tell me for sure...but I gotta get lean again first.😐
This guy's job is just creating controversy and making money. Don't be so naive he's going to debate u openly. And I really doubt he watches any videos like this. Claim Norton behaves like a schoolboy lacking confidence and throwing his achievements to everybody's face. Anybody with a brain can see he's just a showman, not a scientist. Following him is a laughable idea)
