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Prof, I like ya, but screw you man. I don't play helldivers, i don't play video games even at this point but i would just tell someone i don't care about your game. You would care if it was wotc ruining mtg. Oh wait...
I hope to see one day a game where everyone builds a deck and trades them between each other but you all roll for highest then pick which deck you want besides the one you built
As a Tomb Raider fanboy I feel the need to to let everyone know that Lara Croft does indeed have a PhD in Archaeology and Comparative Mythology from Oxford.
@@ZoidbergForPresident the original Lara went to finishing school. They mostly teach about etiquette, language, history, and practical skills demanded by high class young women. She skipped higher education entirely and went archeology expedition early
DrLupo has a “Seven tools of the bandit” sort of way of thinking- be ready for anything lol. Always nice to have options, plus if you KNOW an opponent is playing a deck that has cards that block or stop incursion you can know what lovely masterpieces not to play to avoid someone playing a counter to it deck lol 😆 The cleaver player comes prepared- 😎 but 15 decks and never played commander before… *I feel that says* he has WAY too much free time… 🤭
I specifically bought a bag that will fit twelve deck boxes for the rare occasions that I go looking for a game outside my own rec room - one deck in each two-colour combination, one for dice, and one for tokens and counters and such.
@@tarvox14 Literally the first time they said "we know threat assessement" was to have Prof attack Lupo instead of Ash, because his commander is scary I guess? But on the board Ash had her priest of the forgotten gods, making Lupos board basically nothing, on top of having more life than Lupo, but still he's the threat
Exactly the same threat assessment as most casual tables - you hit me, I'll hit you back. If you want cEDH, watch something else. If you want an observer's seat at a kitchen table, this is great content.
@@daniellewis1789 uhh cool?? Unless your offended i shared my opinion of the game, your comment was unwarranted. I love the channel... so that's a thing.
@@daniellewis1789 No, that's not what he's saying. It's just not great content, neither to watch or to participate in, when people aren't playing by the same rule book. Most of this game was essentially a three player game, except one of them had twice the turns, twice the cards and twice the mana. I've had this happen to me at an LGS. Not a great experience, I have to say. It sort of low-key says: "We want to play at this table, but not against you". It abjectly sucks to sit across from.
@@franklesisabella2942 Honestly watching a very typical casual table - they aren't playing optimally, they're making interesting board states happen and having fun - is what I watch this channel for. If you want a totally balanced tier Commander game, watch a competitive channel for it? Or accept that people playing casually play like casuals, and that's okay.
@@clasherking4528 the definition of *poggers: surprised or excited reaction to something.* Honestly, til I looked it up I had put my theory that it was a version of ‘crazy’ but something that goes beyond the normal realm… Like crazy to the tenth power 😅
@@CentaurionArcherhuh, looked it up, simple definition of *Fanum Tax: An internet “slang term” describing the theft of food between friends* Originally coined by American *streamer* Fanum, the term has become an internet meme, particularly by Generation Alpha. The full listed definition on the net lol 😂
For all the talk of threat assessment, the pod let the player who was actually the threat dictate all the plays. Never let someone control the game like that through politics; take them out swiftly because it shows they have hidden plans. I knew from twenty minutes in who would win purely because of that.
I’m so glad I wasn’t the only one who felt this way watching it. I could feel myself cringing every time she brought up being a pro at threat assessment.
Magic the gathering could be often described as the embodiment of “poggers”… Though even though I like & will play Magic, like YuGiOh, is broken with the madness you can do with a deck built right… When/ if you choose to play to win and care nothing about if others can still ‘enjoy’ the game playing against such a deck…
Lupo didn't violate the alliance. He didn't attack you. That was the deal. I see nothing wrong here Mr. "Attack him, get the initiative, then agree to no more attacks." lol
let me put it to you in this scenario. let's say two countries are involved in a war and another gets hit by their collateral damage. it is natural that that third country would consider the collateral damage as an attack. thus, the good doctor must certainly did attack the professor... no very indirectly. indirectly not, it is still an attack. The professor however should have simply forgave and forgot. The doctor could have been a good ally, at least for the moment. it was the unity of the women that was their greatest strength and weakness of the two fighting men.
I kinda think threat assessment wasn't done correctly, While Nile kept pointing to others she was controlling the whole game. It felt a bit worse to see a 2 v 1 v1
honestly yeah. the others were so dumb to get tricked by that when it was very obvious how dangerous nile was just with how you knew the deck was sure to be constructed. I woulda been gunning them down ASAP
Lupo being on all my favorite magic shows is putting the biggest smile on my face. I’m so happy to see my fav streamer with my favorite magic personalities
I love Ashlizzle's accent and how she just brought mono black classics. I was laughing so hard when Prof did the Bugs Bunny joke 😂😂😂 I can't believe the rest didn't burst out laughing
@@JohnSmith-vk9ds Specially if your deck is also a sacrifice deck. The ONLY reason to let it live is if you have removal in your hand, but even then you just let it live for a short while. There is no way Ash could win 1v1 if Nile has the devil on board, and Ash is a good player so she should know that too.
They shook on a temp alliance, killing the commander of a ally is a break of that. If the goal was to knock the other 2 down then nah Lupo broke it first. If Lara hadn't died once before he might have made her have it.
@@atk9989 while that might be the spirit of the agreement, the wording was "lets stop attacking each other" and that's what they shook on. Lupo never broke that deal, even later on when he really should have to get back the initiative with Obeka, the only person who reneged on a deal here was the prof.
@@MrDegan2 In edh the spirit of the agreement is the only thing that matters. It doesn't actually serve you to make deals in bad faith, it annoys the table and stops people from working with you in the future.
the helldivers 2 incident is actually really relevant to mtg, it's a story of a big company doing something that pissed off its playerbase and then the players organized and retaliated and the company reversed its decision (sort of) (also steam offering refunds regardless of playtime and costing Sony a whole mess of money likely influenced Sony's decision)
This may be one of the harder episodes to watch. Not only did the decks not feel balanced. But it felt like 2 people were a team the whole time and the other two were just punching bags cause they were playing vs everyone instead of a team. 😬
This was basically 2v1v1 I guess these kind of commander games happen but it wasn’t really fun to watch the game. Loved the banter between lupo and prof though!
When the comment was made about "Imagine disrespecting your creatures enough to just throw them into the trash," I thought about it. Mono black has a lot of Zombies, Skeletons, and Vampires, so technically the GY is their home and it reminded me of the Happy Gilmore scene where he's yelling at the golf ball to go home.
While the guests were great. I felt this was one of the furthest game from the spirit of commander and was pretty hard to watch as a shuffle up and play episodes. It was like watching a 2v1v1 on top of singleton without the commander part. While the professor and Dr.Lupos were trying to keep the commander on the board to show off the deck design by recasting/protection. After Ash and Nile lost their commander there's no attempt to bring it back or focus on their commander's idea. In fact they weren't even targeting each other from the beginning at all so it was clear the "commander politics" didn't matter and there weren't even much of it. The funniest part of the video was the prof and Dr.Lupo fighting over the initiative which is kind of saying something. It makes sense they are used to playing competitively but it didn't make for a fun viewing experience when you know one side of the side board clearly had all the threats. Even a non magic player could see there's more creature on one side and have more CARDS in the player hands.
@@nilejoanrivers it would've be funny to ask for a deck shuffle by getting the land destroyed. That way another sacrifice could have been added to the stack. While playing some mega mind games. Again good game nonetheless, hopefully more semi competitive but clowning/jester rakdos commander decks in the future?
Maybe it's just me, maybe it's her deck, but all Nile seemingly did was just preventing cool things from happening while Ash was profiting off her not being able to turn her head 90°. I hope this isn't taken personally - I don't know her as a person. I just can talk about what I was watching here.
Yeah I agree. Nile was just controlling the whole game and the politics as well. Felt very unfun to watch. I just stopped halfway through and this is the first episode I have done that in. I feel like part of it is they brought a cEDH mindset to the table which they kept on saying they were a cEDH player. But it was a casual table and it just felt ... bleh. Not going to watch any more episodes with her in it. I kind of hope we get more with Ash though she was funny.
Prof, you are the wrost at the art of deals! "[Now that I stole the initiative from you,] let's make a deal to never attack each others!!" Also, Toxic deluge was not a break of your alliance.
Ultimately, I don't think it matters whether or not Dr Lupo broke the deal - what matters is that he should never have made it. The Professor had the initiative, and Lup needed to take it back to get into the game. If the Prof decided to keep swinging into Lupo for the initiative, he'd have lost that race as Lupo's board was, at the time, bigger and more evasive. Professor had nothing he could meaningfully offer Lupo in exchange for nonaggression, and would only have hurt himself by continuing to steal the Initiative for value instead of focusing on the sacrifice decks that were triggering each other's synergies
I've known about this series for a while but never watched it because of I'm not personally a fan of watching other people play Magic online because a lot of shows are overproduced or have a bunch of expensive cards being thrown around that it loses that casual charm that I love about Commander. But this series just has the energy of a bunch of friends playing a game together in a basement, with a good mix of optimized and casual play that it doesn't lose that charm for me. It doesn't feel like I'm watching a show, it feels like I'm watching some people just play Commander in the back of an LGS.
hadn't heard of Lupo before, but seeing that a friend dragged me back in to magic (after over 20 years) with the Transformers cards (Love my "Ramos in The Skies" themedeck) and I absolutely had the same train of thought as him - must be a cool guy.
TECHNICALLY 🤓: As with all multi-choice cards, Rankle and Torbran choices must go in order, so you would sacrifice first and THEN pick the additional 2 damage. Since mayhem devil triggers go on the stack and wait their turn to resolve it doesn't matter here, but its a tricky rule bit that does pop up occasionally. Nile is great though, so she probably is aware and just doesn't explain out full stack shenanigans since it is irrelevant here.
yeah, but modal effects are a single object on the stack (700.2b), after it resolves the sacrifices happen and the mayhem devils abilities triggers go on the stack.
Yeah thats what I meant by "They wait their turn" but perhaps it wasn't clear enough. I was pointing out the order is top to bottom per 608.2c. So yes while it doesn't matter here because of how the mayhem devil triggers go on the stack, it DOES matter for say Cryptic Command, so its important to remember you MUST go top to bottom during resolution. As an recent example that actually happened to me I had a creature with "Your spells cannot be countered". Cryptic command counters, and THEN bounces. So they could not bounce my guy and then counter my spell after he is gone.
DrLupo definitely broke the agreement. Technically speaking, he didnt. But in commander mtg, he did. He ALSO was being bullied after his turn in that one rotation 😂😂 and its banter like this why i love commander in general anf this channel
Sorry prof, but the word of the temporary alliance was that DrLupo would not attack you, while the deluge may violate the spirit of the alliance no court would uphold your complaint
An attack immunity agreement versus temporary alliance have two distinct meanings. Alliance implies team work for a period of time, so yeah it absolutely was breaking the agreement.
the agreement: "Let's stop attacking each other as of right now." *gives each creature -6/-6* "You violated the alliance!" That is not in the agreement my guy, that was not a violation.
Dr. Lupo's Obkea Experience(TM) is exactly why I can't groove with Grixis. I feel like every Grixis deck I make is so desperate to have mana up AND the commander out AND fodder on board. Glad to see it's not just me.
Wee bit cringe to say "We know how to do threat assessment" and then send Mayhem Devil triggers at Prof when his board has just been cleared and he's at single digit life... meanwhile the player directly to your right is at 31 and has a commanding board presence lol. And apparently no one else had the presence of mind to notice that as a problem...
You missed the keyword, "WE". The prof tried to subtly call out their team-play a few times but ultimately gave up instead of causing a scene. What can you do, some people just can't play fair in a FFA game.
As a guy who loves the Initiative and dungeon mechanics, I'm so proud of the Professor finally playing with it. Like... he's starting to see how fun it can be. I am really bummed he didn't get to the Throne Room. I wanna see him make a deck with Initiative play now.
Also I do genuinely feel like both of the "comp" players refused to target each other basically all game... They even shared information between each other the whole time... it's a little crappy.
That Diregraf coming in with next to no counters on it is exactly the trap I've fallen into building Gisa myself. She's a zombie lord, but at the same time, playing zombies kinda feels off when you want to be committing crimes as often as possible. I'm currently building her more into a crime focused control/disruption deck and ditching some of the less impactful zombies😂
Hearing “poggers” and “roflstomp” in the same episode was like learning cleopatra lived closer in time to the moon landing than the construction of the great pyramids
but, he did boardwife when they had an agreement. indirectly or not... it is still an attack. you can just board wise someone and not claim responsibility. you are accountable. what he have been any less guilty if he had used world fire or farewell instead of toxic deluge?
@@unanon_userThe deal was "no attacks." That has a certain, specific meaning in this game, and true to his word, Lupo didn't do it. "No attacks" is a very different deal than "no effects on my boardstate."
@@bradsimpson8724 you're forgetting the apart where the Prof offered and he agreed to a temporary alliance. That's very different to a no attacks agreement. The comments are weird this would absolutely annoy any table at an LGS.
it was actually painful watching Lupo and the Professor fight each other. The prof should have let Lupo hit for initiative and stop taking it from him. Lupo should have deluged for 5. They should have stopped swinging at each other as soon as possible ToT
I need to know where Nile got that nail polish, her manicure looks fantastic. Also I'm glad Prof is way more chill about initiative this time, that game with Vince was miserable tbh
Thanks for all you do prof, I can’t afford to play magic and haven’t been able to for a few years but it’s so much fun to watch all your content and play magic vicariously through you and your wonderful friends.
I always like Shuffle up and play content but this felt like such a throw. Ash and Nile barely touched each other's board until the very end and even then it was very forced. For everyone talking about "threat assessment" it's crazy that nobody mentioned "that Mayham Devil has to go"
I agree with the Professor that toxic deluge for 6 made Dr lupo and him lose the game. Dr lupo should have made a deal he toxic deluges for 5 intrude for a free hit with Obeka.
sure seems like the game was thrown at the end with the wrong target for eaten alive. Other than that, it was not fun watching to people team up against two solo players.
Agree, I was really excited to see a Lara deck being played so I could pick up some ideas for mine but teaming up from the start kinda ruined the game for me :/
I usually enjoy your gameplay content, but man this was an extremely frustrating game to watch. What horrible threat assessment and some truly bad politics and “alliances”. Dr Lupo has some amazing patience man, props to him for staying upbeat and avoiding getting salty.
