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Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson is COMPLETELY WRONG About God 

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@gjjk84
@gjjk84 4 года назад
Neil Degrass Tyson in an ad before this video: “The struggle is knowing enough about a subject to think you’re right, but not knowing enough to know you’re wrong.” 🤣
@Christine.Colbert
@Christine.Colbert 4 года назад
*The "struggle," Mr. Tyson, is considering yourself to know more than YHWH.*
@manueltrejosfranco
@manueltrejosfranco 4 года назад
Hahaha ironic
@BruhChickenTho
@BruhChickenTho 4 года назад
I saw that also 😂😂
@user-mg1jp2qf7h
@user-mg1jp2qf7h 4 года назад
The irony 😂😂😂
@bobyoung3857
@bobyoung3857 4 года назад
@@Christine.Colbert he never said that.
@aidanpetersen7060
@aidanpetersen7060 4 года назад
You’ll never guess who was in the ad before this video
@kevinmathew6520
@kevinmathew6520 4 года назад
😂 Neil DeGresse Tyson?
@WilliamFAlmeida
@WilliamFAlmeida 4 года назад
Yea, for me too!!
@Elic205
@Elic205 4 года назад
He said we are wrong... I don't believe him
@manueltrejosfranco
@manueltrejosfranco 4 года назад
Oh yeah, the ads with ma boi Neil
@youtubecom5478
@youtubecom5478 4 года назад
WIX?
@TheSpacePlaceYT
@TheSpacePlaceYT 3 года назад
Here is an ironic quote. "A common mistake...is to know enough about a subject to think you're right, but not enough about the subject to know you're wrong." - Neil deGrasse Tyson
@ramigilneas9274
@ramigilneas9274 3 года назад
Perfectly describes Cameron.😂
@miroslavmatijevic6185
@miroslavmatijevic6185 Год назад
It cuts both ways
@ramigilneas9274
@ramigilneas9274 Год назад
@Sinful Bastard Child I hope that you increased your support on Patreon… Cameron needs more of your money!😉
@jamesbennett3521
@jamesbennett3521 6 месяцев назад
dunning kreuger I think
@TheSpacePlaceYT
@TheSpacePlaceYT 6 месяцев назад
@@ramigilneas9274 Are you saying this as an atheist? Cuz it would be really dumb if that were the case. You genuinely think you're smarter than Cam and aren't even willing to debate him lol
@emiliog8548
@emiliog8548 4 года назад
I honestly just watch these for the comments
@sunshineinthedarkness
@sunshineinthedarkness 3 года назад
Same lol
@ethancowell6738
@ethancowell6738 3 года назад
Lol
@m.o.z7465
@m.o.z7465 3 года назад
Lmao same my man thinks he going heaven nah fam you going the Astral Plane when you die, Christians base they whole belief on a book, Be (LIE) f.
@imprtyepic7152
@imprtyepic7152 3 года назад
@@m.o.z7465 ok bud
@MotoMatt418
@MotoMatt418 3 года назад
Are you satisfied?
@dmitrytitarenko8281
@dmitrytitarenko8281 4 года назад
Well you didn’t give any evidence that there’s no evidence that there’s no evidence...
@TheSpacePlaceYT
@TheSpacePlaceYT 3 года назад
Ik.
@bodhidixon2939
@bodhidixon2939 3 года назад
He mentioned contingency theory. Read some Napoleon Hill. The only beings that have the ability to create are creatures with intelligence, such as humans. Every action we take and every creation or invention ever started as an idea from something or someone with intelligence. By this logic, our reality itself and the world we live in must have been created by some form of higher intelligence. I’m not religious personally, but I’m not against religion for this reason. You might think you’ve outsmarted every worshipper in the world, but mankind has debated these topics since the beginning of time and we still have no clear answer. All I will say is that nihilism and atheism are not beneficial in terms of societal improvement and civilizations cannot survive with these as their main beliefs.
@TheSpacePlaceYT
@TheSpacePlaceYT 3 года назад
@@bodhidixon2939 Das deep
@RickKasten
@RickKasten 3 года назад
Thank you. That is exactly how stupid the original statement was. Your comment is evidence of no evidence of intelligence in the original statement.
@RickKasten
@RickKasten 3 года назад
@@bodhidixon2939 Your historical proposition is misinformed. Mankind is only still debating these topics because theists won't STFU about their magic sky fairies. We have a clear as day answer, and that is there is no evidence even to consider that anything outside of the material universe exists or could exist. Atheism and the scientific enlightenment are the foundations of every social improvement that has ever been produced or imagined by the human species. Even religious improvements occurred only when a non-God-centered approach was taken. In the atheist worldview, humans are simply one of many species on this planet, all the result of evolution, and therefore all equal by definition. Equality IS how civilizations survive.
@fatpanda9874
@fatpanda9874 3 года назад
We can sum the debate about God up like this: "If the Bible was never written, would there be any evidence that God exists?" If not, then God doesn't exist, if yes, then go find evidence that isn't based off of the Bible to prove it.
@davedstrzykalski2193
@davedstrzykalski2193 3 года назад
I dont discredit all of these arguments, but to hear you say Dr. Tyson must prove there is no evidence is simply not true as you can not prove there is no evidence aside from highlighting the fact that there is no evidence.
@Zuzuboy1218
@Zuzuboy1218 2 года назад
How do you prove their is no evidence Anyway? If there's no evidence that is essentially "proof"
@benthepen3336
@benthepen3336 2 года назад
If you don't believe you can prove that there's no evidence then don't make the positive claim that there's no evidence then try to dodge the burden of proof.
@Zuzuboy1218
@Zuzuboy1218 2 года назад
Theist always Dodge the burden of proof. If you make an extraordinary claim isn't it common sense that the burden of proof lies upon such person. Especially when it comes to the Supernatural.God,Ghost,witches, Hauntings.. I would include Aliens but I think that has the highest level of probability.
@benthepen3336
@benthepen3336 2 года назад
@@Zuzuboy1218 The whole reason that we argue about the definition of Atheism is because ATHEISTS are the ones dodging the burden of proof. I don't think any serious Christian or theistic philosopher denies that we are making a positive claim and we do have a burden of proof. That is not something we deny but ironically it's the atheists that try to deny their own burden of proof. If atheism is making the claim God does not exist that is a positive claim with burden of proof attached to it. If you do not know if God exists or think it's impossible to prove God doesn't exist you should be an agnostic not an atheist. So yes, you used a comment section full of atheists dodging the burden of proof to try to claim theists dodge it which I've literally never seen in my entire life. Better luck next time!
@danieltriplett2160
@danieltriplett2160 2 года назад
No evidence of god
@tonythegreat4275
@tonythegreat4275 2 года назад
I used to be a atheist, I got more proof of his existence, besides what is around us. I am never turning back.
@davidwebster584
@davidwebster584 2 года назад
God Bless you
@nolankeil1990
@nolankeil1990 2 года назад
thats sad bro hopefully you snap back to reality again one day
@davidwebster584
@davidwebster584 2 года назад
@@nolankeil1990 hopefully you can be saved one day. Our time on earth is so small. Tony has an eternity now. You can too. Do you really believe that all of this is for no reason? Do you really believe that people like Hitler can just get away with what they do without justice?
@accesstotheredcarpet
@accesstotheredcarpet 2 года назад
Praise the lord!
@zacharyshort384
@zacharyshort384 6 месяцев назад
@@davidwebster584 What does it take to be Saved?
@neocyte85
@neocyte85 4 года назад
"He did not give any evidence that there's no evidence." LOL! I'm done.
@derekmizer6293
@derekmizer6293 4 года назад
Agreed! 🤣🤣🤣
@siyano
@siyano 4 года назад
just this sentence make the whole video moot. Shifting the burden. The end. No matter what you would say can't make any sense if you cant logically understand that.
@chancedarley3065
@chancedarley3065 4 года назад
He’s saying you can’t make a truth statement that “there is no evidence for God” without bringing some sort of argument or evidence that the statement is true. And also he wasn’t saying just because he didn’t give evidence for no God then there must be a God. You didn’t watch the whole video- do I need to give evidence of this statement?
@bosco008
@bosco008 4 года назад
@@chancedarley3065 If something doesn't exist, how do you show evidence it doesn't exist? If there is no evidence, you can not show evidence of the no evidence. Only a lack thereof.
@chancedarley3065
@chancedarley3065 4 года назад
bosco008 that’s my point! “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” The burden of proof is on Tyson. It’s clear he hasn’t searched for the evidence of God. Once you search for him whole heartedly, you will find Him and all the evidence that points to Him. Jeremiah 29:13 “you will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart” Jeremiah 33:3 “call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you great and hidden things you have not known” Mathew 7:7 “ ask, and it will be given to you, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened to you” Just because people think “if only I could see God or see Jesus then I would believe” even the Pharisees who lived during Jesus’ time had him crucified and missed God!
@wmarclocher
@wmarclocher 4 года назад
I couldn't find the original video source so here it is ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-I0nXG02tpDw.html It is about 30 seconds longer than what you have
@user-jd8zy1qh6p
@user-jd8zy1qh6p 3 года назад
My brain died 3 minutes into this... Dude gtfo with this lol
@acelinomckinzie1956
@acelinomckinzie1956 3 года назад
So you’re not smart?
@briangaltman
@briangaltman 4 года назад
You keep saying you have the evidence that God exists. I was waiting and waiting very curiously, only to see argumentative reasoning trying to explain what you perceive as coincidences and conveniences as evidence. Very disappointing. If anything, your video of almost 30 minutes just proved NDT's video of just over 2 minutes right. Thank you.
@amaurypineda1834
@amaurypineda1834 2 года назад
I was about to write the same thing. This guy, either doesn’t know the difference between an argument and evidence or is deliberately ignoring it to make his claim.
@KenSpooky
@KenSpooky 2 года назад
People reach like crazy to pretend there's a chance of life after death.
@ratanbasnet1000
@ratanbasnet1000 2 года назад
I wasted my time.
@lightbeforethetunnel
@lightbeforethetunnel 2 года назад
This is very common for Atheists to expect *scientific evidence* when *evidence* is being claimed, which is a fallacy of scientism in which you seem to be under the false impression that the only kind of evidence is scientific. Definition of evidence - the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. Even just a testimony is a form of evidence, although a very weak form. For philosophical positions, such as Theism or Atheism, the ONLY kind of evidence that can be expected is logically valid & sound argumentation. This is because philosophy is about topics beyond the scope of scientific inquiry exclusively, so expecting *scientific evidence* would just be fallacious & irrational. Scientism is a self-refuting philosophy that every Atheist I've ever talked to has adhered to. Here's why it's self-refuting: The claim *Truth can only be known if it's scientifically verified* cannot be scientifically verified. So anyone arguing as if Scientism is true has declared belief in a philosophy that philosophies can't be true, which is just self-refuting and false by necessity. This isn't a knock against science. It just means there ARE ways to know truth beyond just science alone. What is beyond science is not beyond rationality. There are well over 100 logically valid & sound arguments for Theism recognized by mainstream academia. Atheism, on the other hand, has none whatsoever (other than a few fallacious attempts). Given argumentation is the only form of evidence that can settle debates between two opposing philosophical positions, and its 100+ to 0... it's beyond obvious which one is true. The only reason most Atheists are Atheists is because of fallacies of scientism that they aren't aware they're commiting. It may help you to realize what science and philosophy actually are... as it seems Atheists are always unaware of the boundaries between the two (which is scientism). Science deals with observable, independently verifiable, physical evidence to figure out physical reality. Philosophy deals with the most rational way to INTERPRET that science with logical argumentation. Keep in mind absolute truth exists in logic (and mathematics) so this means we can actually know some things within philosophy with even more certainty than in science, because absolute truth doesn't exist in science.
@lightbeforethetunnel
@lightbeforethetunnel 2 года назад
@@amaurypineda1834 Please read my above argument. It would help you because you're accusing him of not knowing the difference between evidence and argumentation when it's actually YOU who is conflating evidence with *scientific evidence* in your mind Argumentation is the ONLY form of evidence that can possibly exist for any philosophical position (like Theism or Atheism) since philosophies deal with topics beyond the scope of scientific inquiry... so obviously scientific evidence can't be expected.
@stewscum
@stewscum 4 года назад
Cc: it’s a myth that there are no evidence for gods existence 1. False dichotomy. It’s not theism vs naturalism. It’s theism vs non theism. So everything that you say after that is built on no logical foundation at all.
@friendlyfire7509
@friendlyfire7509 4 года назад
How did you come to that conclusion?
@TG93Handle
@TG93Handle 4 года назад
@Angus McMillan are you having a stroke or what?
@electricspark5271
@electricspark5271 4 года назад
@Angus McMillan What you just said makes no sense...
@stewscum
@stewscum 4 года назад
Friendly Fire draw a circle on a piece of paper, then write T for theism. Everything inside the circle is theism, everything outside the circle is not theism. Then take a basic logic class to learn what a dichotomy is.
@therealestmc85
@therealestmc85 4 года назад
"There is no evidence that there is no evidence of God". What a ridiculous statement!
@ZeroOskul
@ZeroOskul 4 года назад
Is this really all you can do to make money? Can't sell plasma? Can't beg? Can't be a dishwasher? Can't be a stay-at-home dad while your wife goes to work? Really? Isaiah 45:7 "I bring forth all that is good and all that is evil, I create al that is light and all that is dark. I Thy Lord God, do all these things." There is evidence for this kind of God that we call "Random Chance" and following "freewill." It also negates a lot of the New Testsament... like Satan. If you make it your business, you'll never get out because it is how you survive. You'll lie to yourself, your family, your friends, your parishoners, because you will have to if that is how you survive. When, in that video clip you showed, did Tyson say anything about Christians? You behave as a liar. 4:00 Regardless of the Old Testament--I do meet many Christians who almost completely disregard it for the New Testament--God has been featured in Christian art since at least 200ACE, many scholars think it went on earlier, with the most famous bearded Heavenly Father being on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel commissioned by the Pope. You behave as a liar. 4:23 You say you already handled this argument from "another atheist". Well... who's the firs atheist? Neil? Neil deGrasse Tyson is NOT an atheist; he accepts the possibility of a God. He is "Agnostic", open but without religion. You behave as a liar. 5:10 "I am being paid to advertise this book but please be sure to also make a donation. "The photo I showed you of me and my family on the street should make you think we might be street people, barely getting-by. "Ignore the quality studio space, it is 100% necessary for the delivery of God's message and the raising of my children, just listen to how clean the audio is. "You can't expect me to just preach to the wind in tattered rags like Real Christian, expecting that if I am in need it will be given. "This is the only work I am able to do to support my family... but I have definitely had sex and seem quite able-bodied. "I am lying to you so that you will pay to raise my children for me; I will not and cannot. "I really do not want to have to actually do work. "This is the only way I can survive. "My wife can't work! She's taking care of the kids. "I can't work! I'm doing this to make money to raise my kids! "Please believe me that other than this and making babies, I am useless to society." You behave as a liar.
@derekmizer6293
@derekmizer6293 4 года назад
Theists lie
@ZeroOskul
@ZeroOskul 4 года назад
@@derekmizer6293 Everybody lies.
@derekmizer6293
@derekmizer6293 4 года назад
@@ZeroOskul theists lie all the time. Their beliefs is a lie
@ZeroOskul
@ZeroOskul 4 года назад
@@derekmizer6293 Your belief is a lie about their belief being a lie. People believe things and they mean it that they believe it.
@TheVOIDKingHimself
@TheVOIDKingHimself 3 года назад
You will continue to suffer if you have an emotional reaction to everything that is said to you. True power is sitting back and observing everything with logic. If words control you that means everyone else can control you. Breathe and allow things to pass.
@tombutler7984
@tombutler7984 Год назад
I don't know why the world has determined that NDT is now an authority on everything. He's an incredibly amazing man but he also said Pluto isn't a planet. I'll never forgive him for that. 🙂
@Zagadka42
@Zagadka42 4 года назад
I made it over 6 minutes into this when I came to the ineluctable conclusion that Skippy here is spewing nonsense.
@w.8424
@w.8424 3 года назад
Skippy 😭😭😭😂😂😂
@TonyEnglandUK
@TonyEnglandUK 3 года назад
Look at the links in his description. This fake Christian is selling his religion beautifully and spending his winnings on technology and hair gel.
@Zagadka42
@Zagadka42 3 года назад
@@TonyEnglandUK That he is a fake is beyond question, but I don't believe he is a fake christian. all things being equal, this is about as christian as christians get.
@JopingusBloggStudios
@JopingusBloggStudios 3 года назад
It took 6 minutes for you to make a rhetorical comment to claim he's wrong without saying why or giving any base.
@Zagadka42
@Zagadka42 3 года назад
@@JopingusBloggStudios Well, Scooter ... right at about 4:30 Skippy goes through the most ridiculous contortion of sophistry that would make the most limber yogi green with envy. To state that Neil failed to provide evidence that there is no evidence to disprove "god" is the single most insincere and dishonest attempt to dodge the requirement that whomever is making the positive assertion needs to provide the evidence. Neil says, though not as clearly as I would have personally liked, that if evidence for this entity's existence were found then he would acknowledge it. However, Skippy chose to obfuscate that distinction and gallop on to his talking point. It was at that moment that he demonstrated he wasn't going to be an honest participant in the debate.
@tamelo
@tamelo 4 года назад
"no Christian has ever thought of God as a bearded man in the sky".... So, why did Michelangelo depicted God as a bearded man? There are thousands of depictions of God as a old man all over Christian's arts and builds.
@joker18524
@joker18524 4 года назад
Well he clearly exaggerated. Of course there are people who have thought of God that way...they’re just wrong.
@felixgraphx
@felixgraphx 4 года назад
That was a tell of schizophrenia tendencies : fail to take an 'expression' for what it is: just an expression, The "bearded man" is just a well known expression for god. So why does this theist take it upon itself to waste time underligning that god is not an actual bearded man sitting in the sky? This felt so weird ans silly!
@felixgraphx
@felixgraphx 4 года назад
@Shameless Papist not sure you intended to reply to me - i'm the one who said it was a clear expression to point to a 'god' that anyone would understand and that going on about it is a distraction and a waste of time by the theist in the video (the bearded man in the sky expression)
@felixgraphx
@felixgraphx 4 года назад
@Shameless Papist you replied to the wrong guy
@ezbreezygaming8656
@ezbreezygaming8656 4 года назад
Omg thank you for this lmao, but the correct response will be "Michelangelo wasn't a true Christian"
@zdog1490
@zdog1490 3 года назад
What it is is that people don't want to think they are unloved or a mistake.. That's why you hear words like "inerrant" when some people are talking about the Bible. All the man said was that you "choose" to have faith because you can't prove it scientifically. When the fundie crowd starts talking in circles to prove their beliefs, it discredits them. All you have to say is "This is what we believe."
@nics4967
@nics4967 11 месяцев назад
Can logic be scientifically proven? Can that cutting and beating a child to death for fun is wrong? Be proven scientifically,
@lllcomplexlll635
@lllcomplexlll635 4 года назад
„A good God woud want us to know right and wrong“ - 13:07 In your Story God didn’t want men to know right and wrong. The Process of men gaining that information you call “the Fall”... „but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” Genesis‬ ‭2:17‬ ‭NIV‬‬ „When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.“ Genesis‬ ‭3:6‬ ‭NIV‬‬ „And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:22‬ ‭NIV‬‬ Gaining Information gets equated to becoming like one of the Gods wich in turn is a bad thing 🙄
@Thormp1
@Thormp1 4 года назад
Evo: I have $5 in my pocket. Crea: I don't believe you. Evo: Here, look, I have a $5 bill. See I am now holding it in my hand. Crea: No, I still don't believe you. I have $10 in my pocket though. Evo: Prove it. Crea: No, you need to prove that I don't have it. Evo: Well, why don’t you just show me your $10 just like I showed you my $5? Crea: No, you just need to prove that I don’t have it in my pocket. Evo: Well for one, you don't have pockets. Crea: That's just your belief. And on and on it goes!!
@RickKasten
@RickKasten 3 года назад
My only critique is that you didn't make the Crea arguments stupid enough.
@grogu833
@grogu833 3 года назад
Accurate AF😂😂😂😂😂
@tonyhaddad1394
@tonyhaddad1394 3 года назад
Man this is the problem with religious people sadly
@aldrinmilespartosa1578
@aldrinmilespartosa1578 3 года назад
Its not a belief, its a hypothesis
@RickKasten
@RickKasten 3 года назад
@@aldrinmilespartosa1578 A hypothesis that is easily testable and demonstrably false.
@adeadaxe
@adeadaxe 4 года назад
“1 Timothy 6:16 says that no one has seen or can see God.” Genesis 32:30 - And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. Genesis 12:7 - "The LORD appeared to Abram and said, 'To your offspring I will give this land.' So he built an altar there to the LORD, who had appeared to him." Exodus 33:11 - The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent. Exodus 24:9 - Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank. “Dr Tyson’s assertion that there’s no evidence for God is just a little bit ironic since he didn’t give any evidence that there’s no evidence for God’s existence.” This is called proving a negative. You’re the one making the claim, which means the burden of proof is on you, not us. If you make a claim of, “There is a chair in this room,” and someone disagrees, it’s on you to provide the evidence that there is indeed a chair in the room, not on us to provide evidence for the non-existence of it. “There’s no rule in philosophy or in anything that says only theists are responsible for defending the things that they claim.” Yes there is, it’s called the burden of proof. Atheists aren’t “claiming” anything, whereas theists are, thus it’s on you to provide the evidence and not us. There is no concrete evidence for any kind of god, let alone the Christian one, and not believing is not a claim. If you make the claim that there are invisible underwear gnomes, the burden of proof would be on you alone for asserting that something does exist, not the other person who refuses to believe that without any evidence. “For example, the contingency argument…” Are you talking about ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FPCzEP0oD7I.html Because that’s not evidence, that’s logic. That would be like asserting that all marine creatures can breathe underwater, and then the evidence for or against that would be looking at the actual marine creatures. Of course, this particular argument and others like it inherently can’t have evidence because the claim is that God exists outside the universe, which makes them unfalsifiable, which is a logical fallacy. And even if this argument and others like it are true, that is only “evidence” that there is some kind of something that could be described as god-like. Even supposing I accepted this argument, please explain how you make the leap from “There is a god” to “…and we know exactly what this god is, what it wants from us, what we have to do in order to get into heaven (a place that may or may not actually exist because we have no evidence), and that we will suffer in hell if we break any of its specific rules.” “Everything is dependent.” Evidence? How do you know that? Comparing a mug and other man-made dependent things to the fabric of existence is ridiculous. “All of reality exists independently.” …evidence? You keep making claims about the entire universe with no actual proof. You can point to whatever logical argument you want about how “We can’t possibly imagine any other explanation, so instead of just admitting we don’t know yet, it must be God,” but that’s not proof. Our universe could be some kind of experiment created by a hyper-advanced alien civilization (i.e. it is dependent). You can’t keep making definitive claims without any actual evidence just because you lack imagination. “The fact that our universe is life-permitting is remarkable.” And most of that universe isn’t life-permitting. The only part we know of that is would be Earth, and even Earth is mostly not (human) life-permitting. Almost ¾ of the planet is water, which humans can’t live on/in. Earth is also covered in ridiculously hot deserts, freezing tundras, volcanoes, and other things that can kill us at any second. It’s almost as if we are able to adapt to different areas because that’s how we evolved, rather than it being made specifically for us. “Life can’t exist in a universe where molecules don’t stick together” and other claims. Again, you have no evidence for this. It would look completely different, but how do you know with 100% certainty that it can’t exist? We have no other universes to compare ours to, so all you're saying here is “I personally can’t possibly imagine a different type of universe, therefore it is impossible that such a universe exists. " “To put these numbers in perspective, getting the strength of gravity right by chance…” Talking about chance requires repeated experiments. We only have the one universe that we can examine, so chance means nothing. It could be that before our universe came to exist (and thus, humans to observe things), there were billions and trillions of other universes that didn’t have life precisely because gravity wasn’t tuned right, and then finally our universe came to be. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eJQ54wKlD2Q.html (which is a response to one of your other videos, if you haven’t seen it already.) There’s just a couple more things I want to say before stopping, because I’m only halfway through your video and I don’t want to end up writing an entire paper as a response. 1. You say that morality is objective, but again, with no evidence. You quote Darwin for support, but that’s support for subjective morality. We believe certain things are moral precisely because we’re human - if we were a different type of species similar to bees, we would have a bee-like morality. And you bring up torturing infants as objectively wrong, but what about things that maybe aren’t as obvious? The death penalty for criminals, abortion in the case of rape, and other things where many people disagree? And that’s just our culture. Some other cultures have completely different moral views altogether. Are you suggesting that all of these other cultures are actually aware that what they’re doing is wrong, they just don’t care? Because that would unfalsifiable. And when it comes to infant torture, I certainly hope everyone agrees that’s wrong, but just because the entire species subjectively agrees on something doesn’t make it objective. 2. Even if morality was objective and came from a god, it doesn’t come from Yahweh. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Pt66kbYmXXk.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Wc1Vt9S9v8Q.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tz3EEqtcJME.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-z1zIwUiQ2Yk.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2MFmC6BD1B4.html I could go on. And before you start saying, “But the context!” ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PK7P7uZFf5o.html
@peterfuchs187
@peterfuchs187 4 года назад
Thanks for your effort. I would not have the Patience to keep going through all of these poor arguments, which somehow lead exactly to the Christian god because there sure is some bible verse claiming that as well.
@antdgar
@antdgar 4 года назад
Excellent
@LarJgrip
@LarJgrip 4 года назад
adeadaxe Except for one glaring scientific truth…. Nothing goes from random (chaos) to order naturally or without an outside cause.
@kenhilker2507
@kenhilker2507 4 года назад
@@LarJgrip I can get on board that there's a "cause", but every "cause" we've investigated so far has had a natural explanation. I don't see any evidence to imply that the first "cause" was an intelligent being. And even if there was, why would that intelligent being not need a "cause" of its own? Where did it come from? Proposing God as a creator is only answering a mystery with a bigger mystery.
@LarJgrip
@LarJgrip 4 года назад
Kenneth Hilker So what then is the natural explanation for the universe going from chaotic to ordered? And secondly, no matter how you slice & dice it “something” has to exist without a cause in order to have anything. The problem is that the “something” would have to have a mind simply because of the existence of ordered information. Ordered information cannot appear randomly it needs a mind to create it.
@NinjaPirateCommander
@NinjaPirateCommander 3 года назад
Prove that claim scientifically and peer review it.
@braggsean1026
@braggsean1026 3 года назад
which peers? those that agree or dont agree? everything is relative
@johncallahan4508
@johncallahan4508 3 года назад
I would like to give some constructive criticism on this video. I think you raise some good points and I enjoy listening to your perspective. As an agnostic atheist though, I do have to disagree with the fundamental arguments in the video. I think that theist, agnostics, and atheist all need to criticize each others ideas politely to encourage a better understanding on each others side. Maybe one day science will give us a definitive answer on if god is real or not but as an agnostic I do not think this has been done yet. To get closer to a point where we all agree on an answer, I would like to give me feedback on this video so politely here is everything that I think is wrong about this video: 1). 4:05- Although Neil DeGrasse Tyson makes a statement which technically is false according to biblical scripture, your claim that "Christians have never thought about god as like a bearded man floating around in the clouds" is not entirely true. I cannot speak for you or other Christians, but I would like to raise 2 points regarding this claim. My first point is that humans have the tendency to imagine God as a Devine version of ourselves. God is described as Omnibenevolent and Omnipotent by the three Abrahamic religions. Scripture describes God as something so unhuman that it is unfathomable. Humans express a curiosity to understand everything around them and one of the hardest things to understand is what the nature of God is if God exist. The easiest way for us to imagine God and relate to it is to make God a sort of all good version of ourselves that has human emotions and human like qualities. It makes since why we do this it is part of human nature to try to simplify things we cannot understand. Reza Aslan has a Bachelors in religious studies, a Masters (from Harvard) in Theology and a PHD in sociology and he has spent the majority of his career studying religion so to say he is educated on religion is an understatement. Perhaps he fits your idea of someone qualified to speak on religion better than scientist. He actually did a video on the human tendency to make God into a divine version of ourselves that I encourage everyone to look into. He explained how he believes that Christianity is so successful because it makes God easiest to relate to by making Jesus Christ, a literal human, a Divine character who is either the son of or is part of God. He also goes into detail about a study conducted where people were asked to describe God. The study showed that the more people describe God the more it sounds like God is a super powerful human. Reza himself is actually a Theist who believes in God, but he is so educated on religion that his definition of God and thoughts on the afterlife are so different from other peoples because he has eliminated his tendency to divinize a human some may say he is an Atheist. My point in discussing this was to show that Neil DeGrasse Tyson is not entirely wrong about how people think of God, given many people call God he even though God is not a gendered animal, and one of the people most qualified to speak about religion agrees that almost everyone across all religions think of God similar to Dr. Tysons description. The second point I will make on how Christians think of God is much shorter. You may have a rebuttal and say that I misunderstood the context but nonetheless, the bible actually contradicts itself on if anyone has seen God saying in In Genesis 32:30, Jacob said, “…I have seen God face to face". This also goes to prove my first point that we have the tendency to humanize God because it does not seems logical that something Omnipresent without human like emotion would have a face. So Criticizing Dr. Tyson by playing semantics on what one quote from the bible says about the nature of God may be a bit unfitting because he was more referring to how most people think of God and there is actually scripture to back what he is saying.
@larrylar7687
@larrylar7687 2 года назад
How can you be an Agnostic Atheist?
@seanpaul3819
@seanpaul3819 Год назад
@@larrylar7687 whether or not you’re agnostic is based on knowledge. Whether or not your theist is based on faith. An agnostic atheist is someone who doesn’t have the knowledge to know for sure if there is a god or not, but is almost certain there isn’t
@ChristisLord2023
@ChristisLord2023 Год назад
Waiting for science to prove God because you do not have enough faith to believe in God, you will have a long wait. The faith required to believe that there is no intelligent design is much greater. Science has not proven the big bang or evolution either, yet you are sure it's not God.
@einsamertiger6696
@einsamertiger6696 Год назад
Isn’t waiting for science to prove some thing a lot like faith? As time goes on The evidence for God‘s existence keeps being uncovered
@ChristisLord2023
@ChristisLord2023 Год назад
Agnostic Atheist, so I guess he doesn't know if he doesn't believe.
@TheAndnor
@TheAndnor 4 года назад
So basically ignorance=evidence? "I cant think of a better answer, so it must be god" Sorry, but that is not in any way evidence. Got anything better?
@thebiblestudio7
@thebiblestudio7 4 года назад
Anders Norrvik Rather it’s is: the best explanation humanity can think of is God. Could what explains billion real phenomena best be unreal?
@codeblood2000
@codeblood2000 4 года назад
What explains creation,there must be a creator.
@TheAndnor
@TheAndnor 4 года назад
@@thebiblestudio7 its very easy to simply say "its magic" everytime we observe something we cant understand, isnt it? Instead of actually trying to figure it out. Lightning was definately caused by gods, then we found out how it works. Tides were caused by gods, storms were caused by gods, and so on... But no, its easy to come up with explanations other than gods for everything we currently dont understand. Equally silly, sure, but also equally plausible. Or I guess that depends on what your version of god is.
@thebiblestudio7
@thebiblestudio7 4 года назад
Anders Norrvik The fact that you point at some primitive thinking and apply it to God in general is unfair and illogical. Knowledge is acquired through many mistakes and even though you may be right in principle it doesn’t mean you are right in particular. Say your granddad is called Abraham. I may see resemblance and say”this is your dad” it turns out your dad is Peter but this doesn’t change the fact that you come from Abraham further down the line . Think about it, 300 years and science is pointing to God more than ever. They talk about the human genome as 20 billion love letter. The deepest view of evolution talks about not merely survival of organisms but propagation of clusters of information - memes. The more we dig the more the Creator becomes apparent not the other way round.
@TheAndnor
@TheAndnor 4 года назад
@@thebiblestudio7 no, science does not point to god more than ever. Religious people always take new scientific discoveries and try to make it fit with their gods, but there is no kind of science that points to gods.. Well, that depends on you versio. Some say that that cosmos is god, some say that the sun is god.. those are real. So before claiming a god is real, you need to specify what your god is.
@traditionalreturn3954
@traditionalreturn3954 4 года назад
Defense: "There's no evidence that jake murdered Tim!" Prosecution: "yeah, well there's no evidence that there's no evidence that jake murdered Tim! Take that, atheist!"
@marcocappelli2236
@marcocappelli2236 4 года назад
Awesome!
@thebiblestudio7
@thebiblestudio7 4 года назад
This is enough for any court of law but your mind because it doesn’t want to accept God. 1. Beginning of the universe 2. Fine tuning of the universe 3. The origin of life in the universe 4. The appearance of design in biology 5. And wider universe 6. Minds 7. Free agency 8. Objective moral truths 9. Historical evidence about the resurrection of Jesus 10. Personal experiences of numerous rational people
@marcocappelli2236
@marcocappelli2236 4 года назад
@@thebiblestudio7 Assuming that point 1 through 8 were correct, how would you go about learning any qualities from this 'fine-tuner'? It exists in the supernatural realm, beyond the reach of scientific methodology, so how could we ever hope to learn anything about it? Is it one or millions of 'fine-tuners'? Provide me with a method to acquire this information. As for point 9, it is generally accepted among historians that the character of Jesus is completely fictional, since the only source is the Bible. If such character had really existed, there should be loads of contemporary documents about him, yet the only things we have is the accounts in the Bible that were written like 40 years after the event. Even if Jesus was proven to have existed, and it was also proven he performed miracles, how can we verify his identity as the son of a god/a god himself? It could all be a trick by some other entity. And finally, as for point 10, personal experiences are useless in science. On what basis do you qualify one of these people as rational? Lots of people affirm they've seen ghosts and UFOs, but we don't take their word for granted. If I witnessed an aparition with an aspect resembling a recently lost loved one, how could I know what it really was? How could I know that it is the non-corporeal manifestation of a dead person's consciousness, instead of a live person's? What if it's telepathy, mental projection or a hologram? What if it's some other entity pretending to be that lost loved one? Do you know what the difference between them and me is? I would make further research on this seemingly supernatural phenomena before reaching a conclusion. These people never do science, they just willingly accept anything that is thrown at them. Personally, I do not think there's any way to provide evidence for a deity...
@sierrabianca
@sierrabianca 4 года назад
@@thebiblestudio7 "it doesn’t want to accept God". The obligatory first question is - Which God? Your statement is trying to smuggle in the idea that the existence of this God is already established, and 'accepting' this fact is all that remains to be done. Not even close to being true. Numbers 1 through 7 (even if they were all true) can serve as the foundation for any religious tradition so they lend absolutely no weight to the argument for the existence of the Christian God in particular. Objective moral truths have long been argued for without conclusion. You can't simply assert that they exist, or you can only so long as you realise it's a subjective opinion. There is no historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus, only ancient stories and hearsay. Evidence of this kind would be thrown out of any court of law. Personal religious experiences are common to almost all traditions and denominations, rendering them essentially useless as evidence for any one in particular . 'Rational people' are by no means infallible, especially when they've got religion on the brain.
@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00
@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00 4 года назад
@@sierrabianca Just one small thing I'd like to add (which may bolster your argument in the future): Even if they could prove the historicity of Jesus and that he was actually crucified, died, and was encased in a tomb, that would still not be enough to substantiate the various supernatural claims attached to him in the buybull. Otherwise, excellent post! Pretty much what I would have commented.
@calvinwithun6512
@calvinwithun6512 2 года назад
Tyson also expressed the evidential problem of evil, I think he sort of switched between the two during his comment. When he started talking, he said "the more I look, the less convinced I am that there is something benevolent going on" meaning that his credulity was proportional to his observation. He did not cease to believe as soon as he saw his first example of natural misery, according to the phrasing of his first thought.
@tacohitman4003
@tacohitman4003 Год назад
lmao what? slow down there buddy speak in english. That was what I call word salad with no dressing.
@jazzman1904
@jazzman1904 6 месяцев назад
Made sense to me. ​@@tacohitman4003
@l.m.892
@l.m.892 6 месяцев назад
"He did not cease to believe as soon as he saw his first example of natural misery, according to the phrasing of his first thought." That might depend on the amount of initial belief. If he started with zero initial belief, then you can say he ceased to believe prior to any experience.
@825HY
@825HY 4 года назад
Hi there, I'm an atheist. You pointed out that it was more likely for the Universe to be created by a God/Creator, than for the universe to have naturally come into existence, i.e the analogy you made of getting 10 royal flushes in a row. Surely, that is not a case to make as evidence for a God as it still theoretically possible to get 10 straight royal flushes in a row? Surely you'd need a better test or evidence to suggest that there is a creator for the universe? This is where science differs from religion as science is able to say they 'don't know' as there is no evidence, and they go in search for evidence. Religion on the other hand, simply says "there is no evidence, therefore someone/something created it". Using your analogy, science is trying to find out how the universe got 10 straight flushes in a row, whereas religion says "you cheated". Anyway, assuming that God did indeed create this universe. Would you concede that God is not all-powerful and not all-good? Otherwise, how do you explain that there are millions of kids starving and dying of poverty? How do you explain that you were born in whichever country you were born in? How do you explain that children can suffer and die from cancer? Why are some of his plans better than others? Just interested to know what your answer is. No hate, just trying to have a healthy debate/discussion. Hope everyone is safe and healthy during this time. :)
@geekstradamus1548
@geekstradamus1548 2 года назад
I know this was from a year ago, and I’m hardly qualified to give as great an answer as such a warmly, kindly worded question deserves, but I think you deserve an answer, at least. On the 10 royal flushes question, I think you may be conflating evidence with proof. Evidence is NOT proof. There can be evidence that I am guilty of a crime, or evidence for an explanation of a natural phenomenon, but that is not the same as proof I am guilty, or proof of the cause of a natural phenomenon. From my point of view, one can never prove the existence of God, not disprove it either - for some of the same reasons one can not do the same for multi-verse or multi-world theory. There can be evidence of multiple universes, and evidence for God, or evidence for neither, without reaching the standard for proof. So, 10 royal flushes in a row is evidence something besides chance is at work. Is it proof? No, but it is a LOT of evidence. It most certainly is not proof that just change was at work, nor would it be proof that God doesn’t exist. In fact, it seems like pretty stunning evidence that it wasn’t just pure chance. The rest of your question has to be addressed by looking at some of the videos the OP has listed, it’s much more than my arthritic thumbs can handle. Hope this year is even better than your last! Jesus loves you!
@Jared__Bowden
@Jared__Bowden 4 года назад
“You’re wrong about God” ... says every person of differing religion, since the beginning of religion
@marcocappelli2236
@marcocappelli2236 4 года назад
@Angus McMillan Ehhhh,.... tha Big Bang happened, we have demonstrated it, with even predictions that turned out to be true. The problem is not whether the BB happened or not, it's what 'caused' it. The problem here is that theists claim to know the answer, when it'll most likely remain unknown forever. *"but about whether creation happened by chance or by an intelligent designer"* That's a false dichotomy. Maybe the universe was brought about by a timeless cosmic chicken, no different to an earthly chicken, except that it can pop universe into existence, each with slightly different physical properties. Eventually it turned out to be our turn. Assuming so many things about whatever caused the universe to exist, is being dishonest. There is literally an infinitude of possible causes. Maybe it was a being with as much intellect as a protocell, maybe it is apathetic, maybe it ceased to exist when the universe appeared, maybe it wasn't omnipotent, maybe there are millions of these beings..... The possibilities are endless, and nobody will ever know for sure.
@leebennett4117
@leebennett4117 4 года назад
@Angus McMillan OK what Created the Universe? Maybe a God Did create the Universe. but how do you know that Your interpretation of God is correct one. Your ideas about God are no better than any other Humans
@wh173
@wh173 4 года назад
@Angus McMillan Actually every religious person has a different god, christians alone have something like 10 thousand derivations from catholicism and they dont accept each others religions.
@gerardjones7881
@gerardjones7881 4 года назад
@@leebennett4117 It comes down to a simple decision, God is or God ain't. Either choice, you will leap one way or the other in your life. Its got nothing to do with fully comprehending all the attributes of God, no one can fully know God. What you're really saying is , because you cannot wrap your mind around God , He can't exist. So its about control, you cannot tolerate a Power greater than your petty royal majesty of an ego.
@gerardjones7881
@gerardjones7881 4 года назад
@@leebennett4117 A person who has blind faith might not know much but there are those of us who have experienced God, our faith is experiential. Whilst none may fully know the mind of God, His attributes are fairly well established.
@patrickjansenD
@patrickjansenD 4 года назад
You should ask matt dillahunty to point out the so many many flaws in this vid ;)
@l.m.892
@l.m.892 10 месяцев назад
Mr. Tyson didn't list himself as being one of the disasters on Earth.
@eigshaji4174
@eigshaji4174 4 года назад
when people starts to become curious at things. They question and seek evidence for everything.
@laurensylvia2465
@laurensylvia2465 3 года назад
and religion fears being questioned
@robertknobloch1894
@robertknobloch1894 3 года назад
And atheism fears to come to a conclusion
@justaway6901
@justaway6901 2 года назад
@@robertknobloch1894 Intellectual honesty my friend
@dustindustymatthew1961
@dustindustymatthew1961 4 года назад
Tyson: "This is why religions are called faith...You believe something in the absence of evidence" Me: Where's Michael (IP) when you need him?
@Manuel-jt3fp
@Manuel-jt3fp 4 года назад
Ikr
@Logos_Unveiled
@Logos_Unveiled 4 года назад
Haha fr
@He.knows.nothing
@He.knows.nothing 4 года назад
He was listening to matt Dillahunty explain the difference between evidence for a theory and evidence in support of a theory. It was a good debate, you should check it out.
@hellavadeal
@hellavadeal 4 года назад
@@He.knows.nothing , how is it not the same thing?
@He.knows.nothing
@He.knows.nothing 4 года назад
@@hellavadeal it boils down to how well any particular evidence leads directly to a conclusion. Let's use a headache as an example. Fact: my head hurts. This is evidence that I have a headache, nothing more. This evidence supports several different reasons that I could have a headache. For example, I could have a sinus infection, the flu, a cold, a migraine, a stress induced headache, I had too much caffeine, or it could be a side effect from medication. The fact that my head hurts supports any one of these, but it alone is not conclusive of any of them. Now what theists tend to do, especially in these arguments for a creator, is that they take certain facts like the universe appears to be designed, or the universe has a cause, or consciousness is so complex it's almost unexplainable and they import the idea of a deity as a solution. But when you boil down the presuppositions in the argument, the complexity of the universe is only evidence that the universe is complex, just as my head hurting is only evidence for me having a headache. My headache may in fact be caused by the flu, just as the cause of the universe may in fact be god, however neither of those evidences directly come to a conclusion. The issue with theism is that generally, the arguments are intended to come to the conclusion of a being that exists essentially and necessarily outside of the realm of existence/spacetime continuum. This means that as far as we know, it is not possible to derive empirical evidence of the assertions and conclusions and so people must necessarily rely on ambiguous arguments extrapolating from things that we do not know the origins of to reach the conclusion. Watch the debate between IP and Matt Dillahunty on good reasons for god. Dillahunty covers all of this way better than I could
@patpawlowski7635
@patpawlowski7635 4 года назад
I can correct the statement “there is no evidence for god” very simply: “there is no demonstrable evidence for god.”
@patpawlowski7635
@patpawlowski7635 4 года назад
Gabe Norman would love to see some demonstrable evidence, if you have any
@AccountWasHacked
@AccountWasHacked 4 года назад
@@patpawlowski7635 Procreation is not an acceptance demonstration for creation, in your opinion?
@patpawlowski7635
@patpawlowski7635 4 года назад
AccountWasHacked procreation tells us nothing about god
@patpawlowski7635
@patpawlowski7635 4 года назад
Angus McMillan not sure how you know that, I’ve not aware of any evidence for a creator
@JBrooksNYS
@JBrooksNYS 4 года назад
@Angus McMillan Even if you could prove that you were not created by chance, it still doesn't show that you were created by a God as you understand him. Black and white fallacy.
@lissoda
@lissoda 4 года назад
"No one has seen or can see a pink unicorn" 1 Me 6:18 Show me evidence that pink unicorns do not exist...
@inertiaforce7846
@inertiaforce7846 3 года назад
Bingo.
@maccxoph
@maccxoph 3 года назад
sorry but it does not work that way.
@inertiaforce7846
@inertiaforce7846 3 года назад
@@maccxoph Sorry but it DOES work that way.
@0shaade0
@0shaade0 3 года назад
@@maccxoph thats the point dude. He said atheist have to proof god don´t exists, when it´s the other way around.
@maccxoph
@maccxoph 3 года назад
@@0shaade0 Athiests dont claim their is no god. The Atheist's position is that their is no proof of the existence of any god. The burden of proof is on the thiest.
@agm8209
@agm8209 2 года назад
I am curious why he didn't address the point of Dr. deGrasse's argument. If God is "all good and all-powerful, why are there hurricanes, disease, etc....?" The lack of a direct response only strengthens Dr. deGrasse's case. BTW, I am a believer and understand the concept faith. If your goal was to refute Dr. deGrasse's case, you may have pushed those on the fence about belief in God, non-believers, and possibly believers further away.
@dmaster2
@dmaster2 4 года назад
Suggestion... After watching a 30 minute video I have a hard time remembering which link is what link. Could you give a mini explanation of what the links are in the description next time?
@CapturingChristianity
@CapturingChristianity 4 года назад
Someone else gave this idea too. I’ll definitely do it going forward!
@dmaster2
@dmaster2 4 года назад
@@CapturingChristianity Thanks
@TheNewHumanity
@TheNewHumanity 4 года назад
Might as well get the stamp of approval and say I’m a Christian (saying this to other Christians I disagree with gives me leeway for some odd reason). Although you didn’t give much actual EVIDENCE for God’s existence, I still felt you did a good job at tackling other issues that I think a lot of Christians stress over. Nice vid.
@juice2307
@juice2307 2 года назад
He gave metaphysical evidence. Material evidence only exists for the material. For that you will have to look at Eucharistic miracles.
@zacharyshort384
@zacharyshort384 6 месяцев назад
@@juice2307 Metaphysical evidence is for the metaphysical, and material is for the material? What does that mean? Anyone can claim metaphysical evidence for the truth of other religious claims, no? Do you give those credence as metaphysical evidence?
@MisterRygwapoko
@MisterRygwapoko 3 года назад
4:36 How can you give evidence that there is no evidence😂. This guy is a scam
@JopingusBloggStudios
@JopingusBloggStudios 3 года назад
Bro watch the rest of the video. If atheism is right you dont have to take things out of context and unfairly to prove your point.
@mr_mars_vr
@mr_mars_vr 3 года назад
Watch the entire video, goodness. Why is that difficult?
@steelcarnivore8390
@steelcarnivore8390 3 года назад
ever heard of watching the entire video first?
@ghost_of_jah5210
@ghost_of_jah5210 3 года назад
Watch the dang video
@MisterRygwapoko
@MisterRygwapoko 3 года назад
I watched the video it's gibberish, the evidence of dependence also means design which is an ontological argument which is clearly proves nothing, and the fine-tuning is not a proof for theism.
@daneumurian5466
@daneumurian5466 4 месяца назад
I've come up with a term, if not an original concept, "Lodgepole Logic." The lodgepole pine will not release its seeds until it goes through a forest fire. My "forest fire" included being stricken by polio at the age of ten months. I've written around 300 songs and poems. I don't like diseases, but God gives grace and allows us to care for each other and find cures.
@proudignostic9470
@proudignostic9470 4 года назад
My question how can a perfect being create something that is imperfect?
@Alexander-go8no
@Alexander-go8no 4 года назад
He didn't. All was good until his creation destroyed itself.
@MrBOASTMAN32
@MrBOASTMAN32 4 года назад
@@Alexander-go8no is the ability and desire to destroy not an imperfection
@electricspark5271
@electricspark5271 4 года назад
God gave his perfect creation the opportunity to *CHOOSE* their own destiny. Walk with him, or walk by themselves. Obviously choosing to walk by ourselves was a bad idea, because here we are...
@electricspark5271
@electricspark5271 4 года назад
@The Comedian True!
@pattydavis8175
@pattydavis8175 3 года назад
@Comedian Those with cancer have more than just a few life threatening traumatic problems. Nothing to be taken lightly.
@sageseraph5035
@sageseraph5035 4 года назад
Where’d you get the clip of Craig with your mug? That mug is so awesome. Matt Fradd has one and now William Lane Craig! I have to get one!
@eleazarvalverde1758
@eleazarvalverde1758 3 года назад
When you think that god exists because you can't find another answer to one question, that's your option. You can create a god for every unsolved mystery. The problem is when someone says: "God has spoken to me, and he has told me...." Or: This is the word of god and you have to obey it, because if you do(n´t)... Religion, there are thousands in human history.
@Jimmy-iy9pl
@Jimmy-iy9pl 2 года назад
What educated theist does that though? Unsolved mystery isn't a presume in, say, the contingency argument.
@justindavid9979
@justindavid9979 2 года назад
@@Jimmy-iy9pl Every theist does this. The educated ones are careful to look for the 'gaps' in places that are still mysterious: 1: Details about the Big Bang 2. How life first formed on Earth. Science can't yet describe these thoroughly, so it must have been Yahweh, the war God of the Israelites.
@aaronmonroe7932
@aaronmonroe7932 2 года назад
@@Jimmy-iy9pl if the apostle Paul heard your arguments and terms today, he would be confused.
@Jimmy-iy9pl
@Jimmy-iy9pl 2 года назад
@@justindavid9979 That's just blatantly untrue. Let's look at one argument: 1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause. 2. The universe began to exist. 3. The universe has a cause. The argument is stated in a deductive form. If the premises are true, the conclusion is logically necessary. Where has a "God of the gaps" argument been made?
@justindavid9979
@justindavid9979 2 года назад
​@@Jimmy-iy9pl what is untrue? Nowhere do I suggest that the universe did not have a cause. I am convinced that it did! But having a cause doesn't mean a mono-deity God (Father-like figure who is perfect, has human-like qualities, and actively watches us) caused the universe, which is the assumption of Christians and Muslims.
@laurensylvia2465
@laurensylvia2465 3 года назад
You can find a reason for anything if you want to believe it enough, even if you talk in circles
@zacharyshort384
@zacharyshort384 6 месяцев назад
Absolutely true. This is the way religions persist.
@gsnaponfire
@gsnaponfire 4 года назад
You asked what we think, so I will say your videos have now become my new comedy.
@alfrancisvictorm.sapanta1628
@alfrancisvictorm.sapanta1628 3 года назад
This guy is a dolt
@gsnaponfire
@gsnaponfire 3 года назад
@@alfrancisvictorm.sapanta1628 thank you 😊, I think so too
@alfrancisvictorm.sapanta1628
@alfrancisvictorm.sapanta1628 3 года назад
@@gsnaponfire he uses a fairy tale for his life. And he Genuinely believes what he says.
@gsnaponfire
@gsnaponfire 3 года назад
@@alfrancisvictorm.sapanta1628 indeed he does. I used to as wells, just never bought into it as much as he has. I think he dug his heels in when his brother left Christianity.
@gsnaponfire
@gsnaponfire 3 года назад
@@alfrancisvictorm.sapanta1628 he says he’s not salty about it, but whenever he talks to his brother publicly the salt just pours out
@jordancox8294
@jordancox8294 4 года назад
"I fully agree with you about the significance and educational value of methodology as well as history and philosophy of science. So many people today-and even professional scientists-seem to me like someone who has seen thousands of trees but has never seen a forest. A knowledge of the historic and philosophical background gives that kind of independence from prejudices of his generation from which most scientists are suffering. This independence created by philosophical insight is-in my opinion-the mark of distinction between a mere artisan or specialist and a real seeker after truth." - Albert Einstein
@braigbrothers
@braigbrothers 3 года назад
"Evidence that there is no evidence. "
@adrianchristian5888
@adrianchristian5888 2 года назад
If we are not free to think and we have the natural ability to think how we think and what is wrong or right, then what molecule, atom, or natural selection gives us that ability to show what is good or evil?
@vinh291
@vinh291 4 года назад
Great video Cameron, here’s a suggestion for next time in your description box: Although it would be a little bit more effort for you, it would be nice to have a - tiny description for the link - and provide a video timecode so people can refer back into the video
@CapturingChristianity
@CapturingChristianity 4 года назад
Vinh Le Great idea!
@ARandomInternetUser08
@ARandomInternetUser08 4 года назад
@jonny crist did you really need to be an ass with that response?
@davidmjacobson
@davidmjacobson 4 года назад
Thank you for graciously showing that NDT, um, has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to religion. He legitimately seems to think that if you can't see God with a telescope, there is no evidence for God. Hopefully he sees this and is more modest and less wrong in the future.
@CapturingChristianity
@CapturingChristianity 4 года назад
David Jacobson We’ll see!
@frankmoore7024
@frankmoore7024 4 года назад
Giving Tyson the benifit of the doubt that he doesn't know vice assuming he is just dishonest. Being a scientist does not make your opinions facts. Speak to your field not things outside it. Also let's all be honest enough to realise everyone can do real science.
@heatrez1518
@heatrez1518 4 года назад
@@frankmoore7024 You just said "stick to your field" and "anyone can do science" in the same reply.
@shadowlazers
@shadowlazers Месяц назад
EVIDENCE!
@42percenthealth
@42percenthealth 4 года назад
That clip of the William Lane Craig debate... Bro, Craig said that the atheist's proposal was not logically consistent, and 30 seconds later said "you are describing God." Am I the only one who saw that the only "backfire" was on Craig?
@johncallahan4508
@johncallahan4508 3 года назад
My incredibly long explanation begins on the bottom starting with "I would like to" my final comment starts with # 3) 5:05-18:24 I encourage you to try to read the whole thing
@danielcartwright8868
@danielcartwright8868 4 года назад
Inserting Aaron Ra saying "bring it!" was genius.
@saintronin7633
@saintronin7633 4 года назад
You mean A-aron
@manueltrejosfranco
@manueltrejosfranco 4 года назад
Yeah i died when i heard "bring it"
@blindingspeed
@blindingspeed 4 года назад
Dude you seem like a real good guy. There are a significant number of fallacies in your arguments though. It just sounds like a presuppositional apologist script. I'm really interested in having a productive and friendly conversation with you
@rickyparrish2570
@rickyparrish2570 Год назад
Could you name a few of these fallacies, or did you just learn the word?
@blindingspeed
@blindingspeed Год назад
Thanks for the ad hominem
@surrealcereal948
@surrealcereal948 3 года назад
I seriously cannot find the verse, but in Exodus, it says that the definition of faith is believing when there is no evidence. So yes, the bible does say that faith is believing in the absence of evidence. It'd be great if I could find that verse, but I can't seem to.
@joshjosh320
@joshjosh320 2 года назад
This cannot possibly be an earnest video, can it? It's a joke, right? Like one of those Onion articles? Unseen evidence and fine-tuning arguments?!! Still?! Dude had me till I saw the merch. Kudos, bro. 6:48 "There can't be an outside explanation of everything that exists. That's actually impossible." Put THAT on one of your coffee mugs and I'll send you the $18 bucks. Perhaps on the reverse side you can print Matthew 6, verses 5-7. In the King James, preferably. I would seriously buy a dozen of those.
@MrMattjohn87
@MrMattjohn87 4 года назад
“All things are dependent there for there must be a necessary thing that created everything.... oh also that thing is god and depends on nothing” Can you not see the problem in your reasoning?
@patrickbuckley7259
@patrickbuckley7259 4 года назад
While I'll admit he did not express it well, the point being made is that for material things which have a necessary cause to exist they must have a cause, the only way to avoid the absurdity of an infinite regress of causations is to extrapolate that their must be some kind of uncaused cause or unmoved mover. This of course won't necessarily get you to A God, little lone the Christian God immediately until you start making rational extrapolations about the nature of said unmoved mover, but no philosopher worth their salt has ever come away from that further excursive without extrapolating some form of God. To start with we can already extrapolate a handful of traits for this entity; 1. That it is Eternal, I.E. no beginning or end, or else we are forced to assume it has a cause. 2. That it is at least older than the universe which has a cause, and this must at least be able to exist outside of what we know of as the natural world, or all of time and space as we know it. 3. That it possesses some kind of agency, as without agency an eternal entity could not be the cause of anything. 4. That it is at least enormously powerful, as it at very least brought our universe into existence. Of course this is just the tip of this preverbal ice berg, I suggest you look into it, and it's pre-Christian origins. If only for the intellectual stimulation, besides is it not better to know your intellectual opponents arguments so as to be better able to dispute them? Of course I won't lie to you that I am on the other side of the fence, a believer, but I have done plenty of such leg work on both sides and feel only more intellectually enriched for both. Well I suppose Dawkins work on the topic made me feel as if I was loosing brain cells, but I found Sam Harris quite thought provoking.
@MrMattjohn87
@MrMattjohn87 4 года назад
Patrick Buckley the only honest position to hold is “I don’t know”. You don’t get to assert that there was an “it” and then attribute traits to it. Do you realize what you did there? You’ve said that an infinite regress is too ridiculous for you to accept... assertion.... assertion.... therefore god. Most scientific models show that time did not exist until the Big Bang. Creation is a temporal act, it requires a time that a thing didn’t exist, a decision to create it, then the act of creating it.
@MrMattjohn87
@MrMattjohn87 4 года назад
Patrick Buckley if this god is timeless and spaceless as you claim. Let me ask you this, if I said that I have an Apple that exists no place and never did, would you say that Apple exists or does not?
@patrickbuckley7259
@patrickbuckley7259 4 года назад
@@MrMattjohn87 I apologize for assuming that you'd automatically agree that an infinite regress was a logical absurdity, that was ignorant of me, so I will try to explain. The reason that an infinite regress of causation is not a reasonable model for existance, is beceause we understand that in order for something to cause something we know that thing requires potential, we know nothing in the physical universe possesses any kind of potential on it's own accord, all potential comes from somewhere. So it stands to reason that somewhere along the line of any series of events is a point from which all the potential expressed in the series originates. Even if I where to accept the proposition that their is an infinite regress of causes and causeations than that does not explain the infinite amount of potential flowing through this unending series of events. Ultimately leading us to the conclusion that their must be an origin either at the beginning of the chain, or somehow channeling potential into the chain. We MUST logically extrapolate that this entity possesses the traits necessary to fulfill this purpose, if we do not do so it is nothing more than another link in the chain, and cannot rationally explain anything. Time as we know it did begin at the advent of the physical universe we know this, but we also know that time is not some mysterious force that pushes things forward and leaves all else in the past. Time is a dimension, just like the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd that make up what we know as space. It is a location on an axis that we only perceive as a set of events happening in order, whene in reality all things are happening at once. As such it doesn't necessarily follow that an entity should have to exist within the confines of time in order to possess the potential for causality. As what we perceive as time is just another locartion on a map, and yet we can see how each place on that map effects others. We need only extrapolate the features necessary for this unmoved mover to exist with logic, I.E. the ability to cause things to happen, and all of the criteria required for this entity to reasonably possess this trait. Whene I say thet the Prime Mover is Timeless and Spaceless I do not mean it exists nowhere and at no time, but rather that it does not require time or space to exist It is Eternal and thus has no end or beginning, and infinite possessing no start or end point on any conceivable x, y, or z axis.
@MrMattjohn87
@MrMattjohn87 4 года назад
Patrick Buckley ok my apple does not require time or space to exist, it is eternal with no beginning and no end. Does my Apple exist? So to you eternal regress is ridiculous so you instead posit an eternal self sustaining thing with consciousness that created it all. You already understand space and time have dimensions that are not linear, why could the universe not simply loop back on itself or some other scientific explanation? Look you don’t know and neither do I, just because that is uncomfortable doesn’t mean we get to throw god in that gap. I don’t think you want to put god in the gaps of our knowledge because when we do find an answer you’ll have to find some other crack to shove your god into.
@barry.anderberg
@barry.anderberg 4 года назад
I laugh every time Aron Ra goes "BRING IT!"
@RickKasten
@RickKasten 3 года назад
"If you can't show it, then you don't know it." ~ Aron Ra
@razer0072073
@razer0072073 3 года назад
Another watchmaker argument and the argument from incredulity.
@JazzyArtKL
@JazzyArtKL 3 года назад
Exactly. Always the same fallacies.
@studygodsword5937
@studygodsword5937 3 года назад
@@JazzyArtKL Your god, evolution, is the real fraud !
@JazzyArtKL
@JazzyArtKL 3 года назад
@@studygodsword5937 Lol, evolution is not a god, but scientifically proven reality, mate.
@billylee5624
@billylee5624 3 года назад
A reality most Asians have to bow to, hm hm.
@studygodsword5937
@studygodsword5937 3 года назад
@@JazzyArtKL *FIVE undeniable facts* Abiogenesis is totally impossible ! Life is far to complicated to be formed by accident ! even if it did form "accidentally" what would it eat with no other bio-matter, how would it know it needed to eat, how would it have the ability to select, gather and eat ! How would the *FIRST LIFE EVER*, know how to reproduce its self ! it would be the first life form ever ! How would it have developed those properties ! Please don't wast my time with that franken-life altering existing life, and calling it new life ! Or that dead stuff experiment, forming lifeless amino acids ! *your theory can't even get to evolution ! *continued !*
@shepherdessinthefray
@shepherdessinthefray 4 года назад
Wondering if you might consider starting a Discord channel?
@ryanwestler3244
@ryanwestler3244 4 года назад
Anyone who make a positive claim about something is responsible for the evidence to support the claim-scientist and religious advocate alike. Philosophy-what we know and what we can prove scientifically are two separate things. Philosophy exists and puts forth many theories and methods for knowing things. The level of acceptable evidence is what matters for each individual. Tyson is not convinced by the evidence presented.
@Fangs1978
@Fangs1978 4 года назад
4:45 "There is no rule in philosophy, or anything, that says only theists are responsible for defending the things that they claim." Yes there is (though it's not specific to theist's) It is usually referred to as the null hypothesis. The one who makes the positive claim bears the burden of proof. "God exists" is a positive claim so you are the one who has to prove it. "God does not exist" is a negative claim. Also nothing can be proven by philosophy alone.
@ethanm.2411
@ethanm.2411 4 года назад
"There is evidence for God's existence" is a positive claim in the _exact_ same way that "There is no evidence for God's existence" is a positive claim. The agents making such statements both incur a burden of proof. And yes, things can be proven using philosophy alone. I can prove that there are no married bachelors among other metaphysical truths. I don't need science to tell me that.
@justindavid9979
@justindavid9979 2 года назад
@@ethanm.2411 "There's no evidence for God" is Tyson's shorthand for "I have not come across evidence, though I am highly well-read, have done much observation and considered the arguments of others." This requires a measure of charitable interpretation on your part, the kind that should be obvious to everyone in the room. If I looked for my keys for an hour and said that there's no sign of them, you would be silly to require proof. If you claim that there ARE signs for the whereabouts of the keys, the burden of proof is on you.
@harima36
@harima36 2 года назад
try explaining your NDE... or a mystical experience... if wise you will have little to say. What i don't get is why it is necessary to explain... or to tell others how to be/think/worship/pray etc... Why not just abide in the mystery/wonder? That might motivate one to turn to a god beyond understanding... The overarching GOD beyond the religions.. Isn't the beauty of the mystery (of the great unknown/unknowable ENOUGH?
@harima36
@harima36 2 года назад
@@justindavid9979 not gonna understand god from all the books about god. God is not a concept but the whole of all realities/levels of which we are all a part. Don't even try to think about it!
@Fangs1978
@Fangs1978 2 года назад
@@ethanm.2411 Sorry about the very late reply. I guess god didn't want Google to notify me. Yes, "There is no evidence for god" is a positive claim. So it's good thing I didn't say that, I said "there is no god" is a negative claim and you know what you can do with metaphysics..
@adrianchristian5888
@adrianchristian5888 2 года назад
Why is it that we can go with past testaments of scientist who have come up w in the great theories (not enough evidence to make it turei) yet deny witness to legitimate historical documents from out past?
@eugenehvorostyanov2409
@eugenehvorostyanov2409 7 месяцев назад
Interestingly enough CS Lewis in his atheist years though similarly, that it’s too much suffering in the world for God to exist, yet this same argument allowed his realization of absolute nature of morality and therefore God existence.
@sierrabianca
@sierrabianca 4 года назад
Philosophical arguments such as contingency and dependency are conceptual 'best guesses' as to what would be sufficient to explain existence. They're not 'descriptions' of what's actually going on, merely hypotheses, nor are they anywhere close to being evidence for the Christian God in particular. For a Universe that's "fine tuned" for life, it's suspiciously devoid of, and inhospitable to the stuff nearly everywhere we look. For a perfect being to manifest an imperfect creation is incongruous. A desire or will to manifest anything to begin with betrays an insufficiency of self that a perfect being simply couldn't possess without negating its perfection.
@sierrabianca
@sierrabianca 4 года назад
@Angus McMillan If you want to make a counter argument to anything I said then make it, don't just blithely state that I'm wrong about everything..it achieves nothing. What were my supposed premises, claims and conclusions and how were they mistaken? "of which you have seen "photos" that are impossible to take." I have no idea what you mean by this..
@evedotcom
@evedotcom 4 года назад
man, astrophysicists these day...
@malvokaquila6768
@malvokaquila6768 4 года назад
Take a look at Hugh Ross.
@pkosh1
@pkosh1 4 года назад
Lol
@jayv9006
@jayv9006 2 года назад
Hi cameron, your perfect being theism simplicity sounds like a really analogous way of understanding the divine simplicity of God. In your recent talk with matt fradd you were saying that you weren't convinced with divine simplicity by aquinas?
@jordanmansfield6621
@jordanmansfield6621 3 года назад
I feel this video just highlights the profound lack of understanding that some people have about probability and statistics and on some level it's easier to say "God did it" or "its devine intervention" because it's simpler for them to grasp than to not know the actual answer now. Some of the great mysterys of the universe won't be solved in our lifetime just as they weren't for others before us but should the default answer always be "God" just because we haven't figured it out yet. I don't think so.
@234BUL577
@234BUL577 4 года назад
99,999999999999999999999999999999999.... % of the Universe is instantly deadly for any human being ....
@braggsean1026
@braggsean1026 3 года назад
and that is evidence for atheism? Why is not a picket fence to prevent us stupid kids from running out in the road? everything is relative
@ramigilneas9274
@ramigilneas9274 3 года назад
@@braggsean1026 It isn’t evidence for Atheism. But it illustrates how the finetuning argument really is. Especially when Apologists make the ridiculous claim that the Universe is specifically created for human life here on earth. Theism is compatible with everything, no matter how the universe looks like, it’s totally unfalsifiable. But Atheism can only be true in a gigantic universe that is very old.😉
@nickronca1562
@nickronca1562 4 года назад
4:33 That which is presented without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
@shakespearsplat
@shakespearsplat 3 года назад
I study philosophy and there actually is a rule: the one who claims, has the burden of proof. The entire scientific field is all about testing your hypothesis. Even worse, according to Newton’s flammable laser sword: an untestable hypothesis is no hypothesis at all. This is a widely agreed and most sensical rule. Otherwise you would have to proof every single stupid claim there is out there, which would be impossible. You have a claim (i.e. there are gods)? Fine, go and proof it and then come back once you think you’re done.
@nickronca1562
@nickronca1562 3 года назад
@@shakespearsplat I agree with you on claims requiring a burden of proof and all, I already knew that. Also I'm an atheist, so I'm not claiming there's a God if that's what you thought.
@shakespearsplat
@shakespearsplat 3 года назад
@@nickronca1562 Oh no I didn't! My reply was actually to back up what you said.
@apsits
@apsits 3 года назад
Don’t forget to restart your iphone after watching this.
@Bi0Dr01d
@Bi0Dr01d 2 года назад
Why don't people say things like: _"I may not have recognized the evidence when it was presented to me"?_ Or _"Maybe if I studied at a particular subject further, I would better understand the evidence?"_ Or _"That is not my particular preference of evidence. I have a difference preference of evidence"?_ Why do people seem to say "there is no evidence" instead of one of these alternative statements? One possibility could be that these alternative statements places potential blame on that individual skeptic, while stating "there is no evidence" takes the blame and focus off of oneself and puts it on the rest of the world. This way, a person can maintain disbelief while removing any and all accountability from himself. An honest *(rhetorical)* question should be, is it possible that I, the skeptic, have not understood the evidence, or were not fully educated in a particular area to better recognize the evidence, etc? Is that possible? If so, then I, the skeptic, ought not say "there is no evidence".
@justdave9195
@justdave9195 4 года назад
I’m really looking forward to the video on the standard of evidence 😌.
@doggo8937
@doggo8937 3 года назад
That will be a short video
@joseribeiro9564
@joseribeiro9564 3 года назад
Not the best path for sure to understand the golden standard of evidence making, not a christian channel!! If we settled by christian standards we would still be eating dirt from the ground
@prestonrasmussen4083
@prestonrasmussen4083 4 года назад
The Construction Problem argument is really bad, or at the very least, needs more fleshing out. You provided no references for this part and I couldn’t find a more complete explanation of the argument with a quick google search. But I’m happy to look at it if one is provided. The main claim that “an independent existence can’t be made from dependent things” sounds intuitive at first, but actually needs a logical argument to support (not just analogies as you give). I think a syllogistic argument along with concrete definitions of dependent/independent in this context would be necessary. Two counterexamples to show that the logical structure you provided is not sufficient: 1. A single-cell organism is made up of only non living things, but is itself alive. So here we see how the whole can not only have a property that the pieces don’t have, but in fact have the logical negation of that property. 2. A one dimensional continuous function is a set of tuples. However, none of these tuples are themselves continuous. And in fact, I can make infinitely many functions as subsets that are also not continuous. So further definition/argument is required
@Notrelot
@Notrelot 2 года назад
I love that the first Bible verse he uses is contradicting other Bible verses, such as “the Lord appearing to Abraham.” And several other instances where the Bible says certain people have seen god.
@mttje1999
@mttje1999 2 года назад
If God wanted to be known, he could simply provide good evidence that would make his existence self-evident and remove all doubt. Because he has not done so, we can deduct 1) There is a God who doesn't want to be self-evident or 2) there is God who is unable to make himself self-evident or 3) there is a God who doesn't want to make himself self-evident YET or 4) there is no God. Which of these four seems most probable?
@overcomingsins6334
@overcomingsins6334 2 года назад
That's your problem, GOD doesn't want to be known, if you don't seek HIM. As if He needed you lol, yeah GOD is tribal, HE only good for whom HE have relationship with
@mttje1999
@mttje1999 2 года назад
@@overcomingsins6334 so you know what god wants....may I ask which god you are referring to? I was talking about Chinnamasta of Nepal, the GODDESS of self sacrifice and sexual restraint. I simply can't believe she cut off her own head and parades around with blood spurting from her neck.
@overcomingsins6334
@overcomingsins6334 2 года назад
@@mttje1999 trying to be funny? This channels are Christians, imagine talking about basketball on volleyball topics. Believe and Faith is exactly what it's meant.
@joshhorley2116
@joshhorley2116 4 года назад
Bro you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the scientific method. 'There's no rule in philosophy or... anything' there is a rule in the scientific method and the onus of proof is on the claimer. I couldn't even watch the rest of your contortions of philosophy because of how intrinsically flawed your understanding of science is. Sorry mate
@thebiblestudio7
@thebiblestudio7 4 года назад
Josh Horley He just says that you guys claiming there is no God have equal burden of proof. We have numerous reasons and arguments (evidence ordered intelligently, coherently ) in support of our claim. You don’t. .
@thebiblestudio7
@thebiblestudio7 4 года назад
Angus McMillan You are so right. Actually, Christians gave the world the scientific method and science as such was inspired and motivated largely by natural theology for hundreds of years. They learnt a few basics and puffed up. So pathetic if not sad. And you are right that based on their view there cannot be good and evil it’s a matter of opinion. There cannot be justice system as everyone was meant to do what they do including crime. There is a leap of blind faith required with atheism (no recourse to God) at every corner from why nothing produced anything and this anything is orderly in spite of laws of physics pointing at the general tendency of matter to go back to the simplest forms and ultimately nothing(from what it came from), and within this orderly but hostile to life world further conditions occurred supporting life, which in itself defies the host of natural laws and exists on merely razor edge and then on top how and why intelligence appeared and was necessary at all given that the simplest life forms survive the best as they are more attuned to the general state of the universe... The best explanation is that there is an intelligence coupled with immense power behind it. But the best explanation is not the preferred expansion due to. ...sin. If they could only know how they are known and loved and purified by the blood of Lamb nonetheless should they accept Him and that the only One who cares in this universe of nothing is the Creator ...
@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00
@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00 4 года назад
@Angus McMillan "One that actually did science tho, and, because of science, understood - there must be a creator." Oh? Why didn't you present your "science" to the Nobel committee and claim your prize then?
@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00
@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00 4 года назад
@Angus McMillan No, you stated that you "actually did science" which suggested you did some experiments to figure out that a god exists, If you were saying you "learned from science" that's what you should have said. Mean what you say and say what you mean so there's no ambiguity. But putting that aside, here's a question for you to ponder: What if we're inside of a simulation being run by a computer program in some other reality created by some other god? Now, I suppose you could call that computer program and its code "god" in relation to our simulated universe, but I'd just call them what they are, a program and code. Please note, I do not actually believe this, I am just presenting a 3rd possible option to the dichotomy "either the universe created itself or godidit" thus showing it's false. Our universe could have been created neither naturally nor supernaturally, but artificially.
@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00
@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00 4 года назад
@Angus McMillan I didn't know you were an ESL, but in English we wouldn't say "I did science" if we took a science class, we would typically say say "I attended/went to/took a science class." Apologies for misconstruing, but I think you can see why I did. "All I am saying is, that we are created by chance." Judging by the other stuff you said, I think you left out a "not" in this sentence. There's a rule of thumb I follow when making comments on the internet that may be helpful to you, which is "read twice before you post once." (which I modified from "think twice before you speak once" but I digress.) So, judging by the rest of what you typed, I'm going to assume that you're a deist, which is the belief that some thing created the universe and everything in it but might not still be out there or interacting with anything anymore. Well, here's my problem with that: The inherent problem when you posit that an extraordinary something or someone is responsible for the universe, the origins of life, etc.and you don't have the extraordinary evidence to back it up, you're attempting to solve a mystery by appealing to an even bigger one.
@albertmoller2314
@albertmoller2314 4 года назад
Loved the 'show the evidence for no evidence' haha! Like, come on...NDT is not saying there is no evidence per se, he's obviously saying that none have been found or presented. And just have to say that the fine-tuning arguments is hilarious as well, trying to debunk the universes existence with probability haha
@kaufmanat1
@kaufmanat1 2 года назад
Wow it seems a lot has gone over your head here lol
@joys8634
@joys8634 2 года назад
@@kaufmanat1 you actually sound slow lmao. I can't prove humpty dumpty exist either.
@kaufmanat1
@kaufmanat1 2 года назад
@@joys8634 ah, yes, why seek clarity, when childish insults and straw manning are so much easier... Guy literally misunderstands every point made in the video, and I'M the slow one? Riiiight.....
@deltron4737
@deltron4737 Год назад
I agree, the fine-tuning arguments are not arguments at all.
@deltron4737
@deltron4737 Год назад
Especially in the same argument he acts like humans in our particular space in time and gravity (trying to add science) can be the only type of life that can exist in the universe
@gardenladyjimenez1257
@gardenladyjimenez1257 Год назад
Great outline of the different points of philosophy addressing the questions about God! Thanks for all of the links to more extensive discussions on the key points!!
@sudo4526
@sudo4526 3 года назад
What if we're a reaction to previous big bangs? That would be a natural cause not necessarily caused by god. If the multi(inifinite?) verse exists we will never be able to prove the origin, therefore, it's best to keep an open mind.
@myopenmind527
@myopenmind527 4 года назад
CC You can’t say “I made a three hour video of all the evidence” when the video contains nothing but claims and little or no evidence.
@myopenmind527
@myopenmind527 4 года назад
Gabe Norman translation I want to believe these claims, I’ll pretend it’s true using #faith (the most unreliable epistemology known bar none). For the record I’ve “watched” the 3 hour video although there’s not video content. It’s a 3 hour audio. It just stacks up more claims upon prior claims. Makes me wonder if you even listened to it? If so what part did you fine most compelling and why?
@myopenmind527
@myopenmind527 4 года назад
Claire Eliza tell me this: 1. How old is the universe? 2. How old is the earth? 3. What best explains the origins of our species?
@ktrishan3165
@ktrishan3165 4 года назад
RU-vid's recommendation🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ here I'm a hardcore fan of Neil DeGrasse Tyson and an Atheist😂😂
@stumgar
@stumgar 4 года назад
Surprisingly, it seems youtube wants you to at least see a little bit of the counter arguments.
@adarkershadeofblack8
@adarkershadeofblack8 4 года назад
I'm an atheist also lol. But I will always listen to the opposite party. Why only read half the book right?
@ktrishan3165
@ktrishan3165 4 года назад
@@adarkershadeofblack8 makes sense..... sometimes 😅
@adarkershadeofblack8
@adarkershadeofblack8 4 года назад
@@ktrishan3165 haha I understand where you're coming from for sure. I got a feeling if me and you met in person, we would agree on 80 to 90% of anything thing we would talk about (in regards to science vs religion). The remaining 10 to 20 percent is what I would love to talk about you know? Because I love to hear others opinion. Sorry I'm rambling. It's 3 a.m where I live right now and I've been watching science videos and DVDs since quarantine😂
@johnreder8167
@johnreder8167 4 года назад
@@stumgar the are no counter arguments. How? I mean how can you think there's an argument? I'm not even going to start. You clearly have bigger things to worry about. We dont even know what gravity is but yeah God is real..
@adrianchristian5888
@adrianchristian5888 2 года назад
? If there is no God and I cannot use the creation as my proof, then what would we have to discover to 100% believe that there was never a beginning. To Deny creation and a creator means there was is no begining neither shall there be an end. If there is a beginning, what has to be shown naturally in the universe to prove a beginning.
@ender1304
@ender1304 Год назад
I really enjoyed this video, thanks for the many points you make in support of theism. Sometimes, with the level of enthusiasm atheists take when dismissing religion, it can feel that to believe in God is untenable. However, that would seem like a hasty conclusion, without much clarity of thought. Intimidation is a tactic that thrives on confused thinking, and perhaps it serves its purpose in intolerant belief systems that ultimately aim to effect changes of behaviour only. Encouraging a philosophical approach is great, and really invites us to agree or disagree by our own free thinking.
@zacharyshort384
@zacharyshort384 6 месяцев назад
I would say defending the god of any religion is untenable. I would not say that about "God".
@notarealperson1481
@notarealperson1481 4 года назад
So EVERYTHING exists dependently therefore something independent created it? So everything exists dependently besides god who gets the exception to the premise that you established. Special pleading fallacy
@notarealperson1481
@notarealperson1481 4 года назад
@Gabe Norman okay then I'm open to hear what they meant. I don't want any animosity just a discussion. From what I understand is that he laid out the premise that everything we experience exists dependently. He then goes to explain that we would need something to exist independently so it can create the dependent things. However this would contradict the premise that everything exists dependently and making a special plea to say that god doesn't exist dependently.
@notarealperson1481
@notarealperson1481 4 года назад
@Interceptor can you demonstrate there's anything other than the material world? When people say God exists outside of reality, that is the definition of something that is imaginary and nonexistent. Also they have established the most unfalsifiable proposition you can think of. I can literally say anything exists out of the material world (reality) and you would have no way of disproving it. It can be a tea kettle or the flying spaghetti monster Edit: I kind of missed the point of my own argument in my reply lol. I'm not trying to say god wouldn't be able to break the rules or be a special exception. Its just fallacious to conclude that he exists by establishing a premise that everything exists dependently and then precede to make a special plea for that premise. It's called the special pleading fallacy and it makes the argument logically invalid. It doesn't make the conclusion untrue. It just makes it illogical to come to that conclusion using that argument. If you want to put the argument into a syllogistic form we could discuss the argument you are making or defending
@notarealperson1481
@notarealperson1481 4 года назад
@Interceptor ooh nice. My bad I expected you to be a theist so I framed my response as if you were defending his argument for Gods existence. But yeah I accept the possibility that there could be something outside of reality I just didn't actually expect you to come back with something backed scientifically. Because if someone was using the Kalam Cosmological argument but also accepted the Big Bang Theory, that would be problematic for thier stance. But yeah I'll check out that source and I didn't mean to sound facetious when asking if you can demonstrate for anything existing outside of material reality.
@notarealperson1481
@notarealperson1481 4 года назад
@Interceptor so I'm watching the video now and I'll finish it later but I want to comment on the whole materialism thing. You can make an airtight philosophical argument that we can't actually know that anything exists and we don't really exist. But the reason I accept materialism and empiricism because it's a useful model to navigate and observe things. When someone provides evidence for something it doesn't give me absolute knowledge and certainty of it's existence, it just gives me a reason to believe it. Materialism doesn't have to be the end all be all, and I don't really know what you think about it, but it's the best model we have so I wouldn't say it's dead. If it wasn't credible then we wouldn't have Quantum physics or any science for that matter
@gerardjones7881
@gerardjones7881 4 года назад
You can't wrap your mind around God, therefor God can't exist. So says the Ego. You can claim disbelief but your ego knows the truth. It implicates you.
@stephengalanis
@stephengalanis 4 года назад
5:40 No, Cameron. One can be familiar with all that noise, and find it amounts to 0 evidence. Be charitable. He probably knows the claims.
@coltukkor
@coltukkor 3 года назад
The only thing that is evident is that he doesn’t understand the word “evidence”
@WyattCayer
@WyattCayer 3 года назад
yep
@hermitsunite953
@hermitsunite953 3 года назад
True
@TenTonNuke
@TenTonNuke 3 года назад
Why is it that every time a Christian says they can prove a very personal, intimate claim - that God was a man who walked Earth and now cares deeply about your behavioral choices - they attempt to do so with incredibly impersonal, broad claims about the universe? What do the particulars of an event that may or may not have happened 13.8 billion years ago have to do with an Israeli Jewish man who disapproves when I masturbate?
@CoffeePhilosophy
@CoffeePhilosophy 4 года назад
This video is really good! Everyone should buy God, Freedom and Evil.
@les2997
@les2997 4 года назад
I like his argument, not sure why he ignores non-evidence from abiogenesis or evolution.
@ihaka439
@ihaka439 4 года назад
I dont know if I can afford all 3 of those things 🤔
@mikelewis495
@mikelewis495 4 года назад
Congratulations you made a plausible case for Deism
@briankabba
@briankabba 4 года назад
“If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself.” ― Albert Einstein. I don't understand a single thing you said. The fact thatt it takes you 29mins to make you point is kinda suspicious. I did understand Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson though!!!!!
@malicemizer9596
@malicemizer9596 2 года назад
Was about to support you on patreon,but I decided to send you thoughts and prayers instead. Thought and prayers.
@RowanAldridge
@RowanAldridge 4 года назад
#BereansGang
@coryrivera4615
@coryrivera4615 4 года назад
U have arguments no evidence .....please we all can talk but there is no substance here ... . 🤦🏿‍♂️
@gemguy6812
@gemguy6812 4 года назад
it is impossible to have empirical scientific evidence for God for He is supernatural, outside of nature. To request natural evidence for the supernatural is logically impossible- God CAN'T do anything that's logically impossible. Did you know that you could do many things that God can't?
@coryrivera4615
@coryrivera4615 4 года назад
@@gemguy6812 then logically he is useless... By your version of God then.....this is y it doesn't make sense
@jackdaniels9179
@jackdaniels9179 4 года назад
@@gemguy6812 so God doesn't alter the natural world?
@gemguy6812
@gemguy6812 4 года назад
@@coryrivera4615 You can sin, God can't. He can't do anything logically impossible like create a weight He can't lift. This is the Self Existing Eternal One who holds the atoms of your body together- i wouldn't call that useless.
@andrewhandelsman834
@andrewhandelsman834 4 года назад
@@gemguy6812 yep more assertions
@frankgarcia565
@frankgarcia565 4 года назад
Hello, i would like to know if you can setup to have a debate with Joe Rogan. God Bless!
@estuchedepeluche2212
@estuchedepeluche2212 3 года назад
In the last 300 year or so, we have seen advances in medicine, technology, engineering, behavioral and social sciences -even in the humanities- that save lives, make life easier, facilitate communications, calculate the age of the Earth, and so on. This makes me wonder, what advances have theology and religious philosophy made about God and what benefits have we received from that new knowledge?
@chrissonofpear1384
@chrissonofpear1384 3 года назад
A very, very good question - but by their very nature, for religions, new advances will often be automatically labelled heresies and divergences, from within them, I suspect, @cristobal garza . It's a major, built in, likely impairment.
@veridicusmaximus6010
@veridicusmaximus6010 4 года назад
How fined tuned was the Garden of Eden - Super fined tuned I'm guessing!
@lawson5512
@lawson5512 4 года назад
The best scientists are often the worst philosophers
@rjonesx
@rjonesx 4 года назад
Which is really unfortunate because certain disciplines within philosophy, like logic, are essential to the proper execution of sciences. The great ocean of knowledge produced by the natural sciences has been polluted by poor reasoning, drawing conclusions that do not in fact follow properly from the evidence supplied.
@brando3342
@brando3342 4 года назад
@Lawson That's because a scientist focuses in on one needle on a pine tree and philosophers account for the whole forest.
@wendigo017
@wendigo017 4 года назад
Well Newton, Max Born, Max Planck, Schrodinger, Niels Bohr, Wolfgang Pauli, Einstein, Heisenberg, Michio Kaku etc. all were contributors to science and they all believed in God (Most were deists though).
@Alex_Pinkney
@Alex_Pinkney 4 года назад
Albert Einstein “Man Of science is a poor philosopher”
@MartinHansenGamer
@MartinHansenGamer 4 года назад
Lawson you could be both a philosopher and scientist?
@Robert-5150
@Robert-5150 2 года назад
To say it is extraordinarily unlikely that our universe would be life primiting is not true.. The most abundant elements in the universe are hydrogen, helium, oxygen, carbon, neon and nitrogen. The human body is made of hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, and nitrogen very common throughout the universe. So in such a vast universe it is Very unlikely that these elements would not combine to make life even in its smallest form.
@NateTmi
@NateTmi 11 месяцев назад
if you can't have dependent things with out something they are dependent on, then what is god dependent on? After all we are the ones that believe in him. I would say motivation to create use makes him dependent on us in a way. The problem is that you stop the argument at god & say we are dependent on something & there for it is god & why can't god be dependent on something? How is god so different from us? What is it that makes our creation dependent on god? If we know our creation is dependent on something, how do we know that is god?
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