'Dr. Strange In The Multiverse of Madness' Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys 

Literally same lol They all look different than i pictured except for coke baby Chuck

I agree that people have a tendency to nitpick marvel movies for not delivering on things they never even promised and that's kinda irrational. But I also think it's bizarre to not critique something because a billion dollar company is releasing more high quality content than ever. Of course in some way that's amazing for us, but it's financially viable for them to do so. That doesn't make them bad or evil, but it also doesn't make it charity either, even if it's much more content than most of us got as kids. Its just a tv show, so people shouldn't take it so seriously, I agree with that. But I also, it's just a tv show, so regardless of how high def it is and how many big profile actors it has, that doesn't mean it should be above critique. People should just have reasonable expectations for what to expect from blockbuster Marvel movies, but that doesn't mean not holding it up to any expectations because it's supposedly better than what we got as children.

There is nothing Wanda can do to redeem her actions in this movie. Murdered 100+ people.

No bullshit?

I agree and was thinking the same thing when they started talking about Wanda. I thought Wandvision set this arc up and it was pretty predictable she would go down this path.

I've seen people take issue with the fact that Wanda justifying her actions as her love for her children and being a mother being seen as a toxic trait, when in comparison to men citing fatherhood for some foolhearty actions, being seen as heroic. I understand that. But at the same time, they had built up this character of Wanda in WandaVision to go down this villainous path. I think people have a problem with Wanda's arc because the show and her feelings are 100% being seen through her POV, and therefore we see her in a more sympathetic light. But NOTHING she did in "Wandavision" was heroic. You're right: she kidnapped an entire town, robbed them of her free will, and tormented them. Consciously or not, that's still not okay. Did Dr. Strange bend the rules himself? yes, but at least he did it knowing the Avengers could potentially save/revive lives years down the line.... In the case of Wanda, it was all merely for her own personal therapy. I hated that Monica justified it at the end, but I did appreciate the town all looking at Wanda like "...this bitch." LOL. And i'm sorry, but the post-credit scene of Wanda researching the Darkhold, knowing damn well the risks of what kind of power and corruption that can bring, definitely signified that Wanda was going down an even darker path. Wanda in the comics has traditionally been a character that towed the line between friend and foe, and I like that the MCU is playing with that. When she was revealed to be the villain of the movie, I honestly was like "GOOD!" I feel for her character and her arc of grief & mourning, but she still did villainous shit in that show. It's kinda like the problem I have with people loving Loki. He's a legit asshole and villain who was all for genocide and ruling, and yet Marvel has found a way to make fans root for him. They're kinda doing the same thing with Wanda here.

Exactly my thoughts, it just shows the audience how powerful the darkhold is if it can mess with Wanda and Strange!

I think their point is about the end of wandavision yes she did that but she seemed to have changed towards the better but instead the movie does the complete opposite and only gives the darkhold as explanation

@@Bishcona I think we interpreted the ending of WandaVision differently. Agree she stopped taking over the town, but the post credit scene showed her becoming the Scarlett Witch and hearing her kids. Did you think she was just gonna be good after seeing that?

I agree, especially since there were previous animated show that showed Scarlet Witch and Wanda being different. I just got it.

Good point about Wanda trapped under the rubble, thanks for reminding me about that

Agree. And it was okay to not understand everything in Everything Everywhere. Still very interesting and entertaining.

He has a lot of responsibility but still have the restrictions pf Disney. There is little a person dictating what goes on Disney plus vs theaters, causing some movies to be stretched out to tv shows just so there is streaming content.

I agree but , she has the worst story to me. She had to kill the love of her life and she lived in her fantasy world and wanted so badly for it to be a reality. All she wanted was vision and children

The problem is I don't think she entirely moved passed those issues in Wanda vision. She mentally enslaved an entire town of people and to some degree was aware she was doing it. And she never really owned up to what she did or took accountability - she just run away. Wanda has shown herself capable of prioritising her own unhealthy attempts to deal with her trauma over other people's lives. She cared more about playing out her Westview fantasy than she did about the peopel it was hurting. And that doesn’t make her entirely bad, it wasn't entirely intentional and she was intensely traumatised with really no one caring to support or reach out to her to form a personal connection outside of 'we need this super powered being to use as a weapon/lock up because we're scared of her'. Doesn't excuse her actions of course, but it is relevant context. And it's also relevant context that she didn't fully take responsibility for what she did at Westview, and so didn't entirely grow from that. So it's not entirely out of character for her to be willing to do harmful things to other people to be with the people she loves, and I don't think that specific character flaw of hers was resolved or dealt with by the end of the show. That said, I *do* agree that it felt like they flattened her character quite a bit in MoM. She went from a complex morally grey character with competing motivations and even moral alignments, to her being a purely evil 'hysterical woman' obsessed with her kids and even willing to intentionally murder a child to get what she wants. And yeah the darkhold corrupted her, but that happened off screen and this is an artifact that we've seen very little of in the MCU. And even that aside - I think Wanda being villain is interesting, but the way they did it was not great. A lot of the moral complexity and the heart that made her an endearing character to so many people just kinda flew out the window. It felt like they leaned really heavily on what happened outside of the movie to narratively justify Wanda's behaviour in it, and that made her come off really flat. I enjoyed it because I happen to like seeing intensely powerful female villains fuck shit up lol, and I like horror movie aesthetics, and Elizabeth Olsen is a great actress. But some of the ways they did it were very much yikes, and when i think about this character as a whole, i'm pretty disappointed with how things went. I wanted Wanda to take responsibility for her actions and truly move on to define herself outside of just her relationships with other people and their expectations for her. Instead she (supposedly) killed herself after realising the extent of what she did and that she would never be with her children. Awful end for that character.

@@Lisa_Flowers that's really well put! I admit I don't remember much about the end of WandaVision, so that's playing into how I saw her character. From what I recall she got rid of the hex and was weeping, not breaking down, just weeping in the bones of where the house had been. I read that as she was coming to terms what everything that's happened to her. As someone who has had intense grief, and it still pops up, I know it doesn't go away. I also know we tend to take it out on others. I can see her turning dark, breaking bad, I just don't like how it was done. If there had been a prologue, or even her own film that showed the time (which looks like YEARS after WV thanks to them stuffing the films and changing the timeline) we didn't get to see and more of her turn, I'd be ok with it more. All in all I'm tired of the trope of hysterical-emotional-woman-goes-bad. It's a tired trope that doesn't serve us any longer. It doesn't serve her character. It didn't serve Daenerys (it COULD have...if they'd not rushed the end of the show but I digress). Also...how did she even learn about America and her powers?? Did I miss that??? I might have spaced out in the movie

Strongly disliked. It should've lasted 5 seconds but they kept going back and forth with it.