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Bob talks about the Tractor Yard Ornament, 1949 Oliver Super 88 that has been sitting in the same spot for 30 years, he only bought it for the tires.
This video is a follow up from a previously made video. It documents the inside of one of the rarest Ford engine, made By Henry Ford. Engine number 5. It had been locked away for over 80+ years. It is a one of one, an opposed Ford Flathead. Bob Beach bought Engine #5 from the archives of the Henry Ford Museum. There is no documentation of this engine, anywhere in the Ford Archives. This engine is brand new, but now we know that it has been run and tested. Although the previous person, left the main caps loose, after checking the bearings? Luckily Bob caught this upon inspection. Bob tears down the oil pan, and and rocker cover. Explains how the crank runs oil pump, which in turn rotates the water pump. The water flow through the engine, and benefits. Also discuss the purpose of this engine, and it's feature of a generator. Which would operate lights, so Bob thinks it was for a tractor. Bob said that he thinks it may have 8N tractor pistons and valve train. He had tried to fire it up, " she kicks like a mule", needs to bolted down, for stability. Which he did now on a trolley. Bob and I had talked, and we are going to get this mounted, and fire it up, be cool to do sometime this summer, before the snow flies.
Also Bob Will Talk engines, that he likes, what he thinks of The Big 3 engines, pros and cons. He also gives us a look at an old Lincoln V12, from the 40s. He tells about someone putting a V12 into a tractor.
Remember " You never know what your going to see at DBG/DragBoss Garage, and your always going to learn something new" So please Like, share, and subscribe, so I can keep bringing you content, as you have never seen.

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Комментарии : 153   
@justincase9995
@justincase9995 Год назад
Thank you Tim, and especially Mr Beach for showing us your treasures !!!
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Your welcome, glad you could come along Justin
@johnelliott7375
@johnelliott7375 Год назад
Thanks again for taking us to Mr. Beaches machine shop and the rest is a museum and encyclopedia of anything that runs! Awesome as always with you on DBG!😊
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Your. It’s welcome John. Need to get them fired up
@hemibreath
@hemibreath Год назад
Wow Ford was on to something there and didn’t know it! Made a VW engine before VW !! All the casting look so nice and smooth ✅
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Good point. Never thought about until someone else mentioned vw. The good old days, love to see them pour cast back then
@itseithergonnaworkoritaint7852
Great show, aways good to listen to Bob talk about back in the day and show & tell with his treasures he has. The audio was much better this time, thanks for making a video record of him.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Your welcome. That was recorded back in January. Told him to talk up lol. Yes lots more too see
@cmdrclassified
@cmdrclassified Год назад
I've got 3 8N's and an NAA (1953 Golden Jubilee) tractors here on the property. And yes, I keep them all running, and in use! The NAA was the 50th anniversary tractor for Ford, made for one year, and it differs from the others as it has an OHV engine, versus being a flathead. Thanks for talking with Bob again! Always good to hear what he has to say. Have a great day, Sir! And God Bless! o7
@georgedreisch2662
@georgedreisch2662 Год назад
Had a NAA Golden Jubilee that my father bought in -70. Was one of my first engine rebuilds, first sleeved engine build. Ultimately put a Sherman Digger backhoe on it.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
I love tractors used an 8n for mowing as a kid. Thought I was the king driving that thing. Thanks for the blessings. Right back at you. Stay strong
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Ie your talking George, I bet it was a killer machine
@georgedreisch2662
@georgedreisch2662 Год назад
@@DragBoss351Cleveland actually, a cleanup in the intake and exhaust bowls and a 3 angle valve job, seemed to give a good boost to torque, and was evident when bush hogging…
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Ripping and tearing George. Nice.
@NoFox_Given
@NoFox_Given Год назад
!?!! Uncle Bob! Back in the 90’s he was the Man to have build your engine in that area. He built a Big Block big cube Chevy for my friends/co workers pulling truck and it was always tuff to beat
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Yep, I have called him that myself. Best engine I ever ran was built by him and I got to help a bit. I think we are going to build one more…
@rustloversgarage
@rustloversgarage Год назад
# 5 is an incredible piece, considering its age and the technology of the time.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
For sure Rust, definitely want to hear it run. Need to call him ck on cammer and #5.
@fredkelso1089
@fredkelso1089 3 дня назад
Tim you will always remember him and his shop
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland 2 дня назад
Sure will. The 409c is at his shop right now. He and I tore down the engine. Stay tuned to the video Fred
@lautburns4829
@lautburns4829 Год назад
That’s an awesome engine, thanks Robert! I love old stuff, tractors, hit and miss engines, steam it’s all fun!
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Thanks Laut, it’s what we all started from. Pure ingenuity to me. Not many cars about this type of engine, pure history
@mavman351
@mavman351 Год назад
So cool! What a great guy. Thanks Tim! Hope all is well with you and the family.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
We are doing well, Bob is the genuine gentleman. Not many like him around anymore. I am trying to stay positive with Cougar. Stay tuned Mav
@robertwest3093
@robertwest3093 Год назад
That's the nicest looking Cougar I've ever laid eyes on 👍
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Thank you, have it for over 40 years. Appreciate it Robert 👍👍
@robertwest3093
@robertwest3093 Год назад
@@DragBoss351Cleveland glad to see you were one of the smart ones instead of one of the "I wish I hadn't sold that car" guys.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
@@robertwest3093 Thanks, That's me. Now I need to get wife's 69 Fastback going, 600 + hp 354 cleveland with toploader
@davidhakes3884
@davidhakes3884 Год назад
Like the Old Boxer, never have seen one till now. I am Glad you got Bob on film, seems like a Great guy.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
He sure is, tells it like it was and is. One of a kind engine
@mikecurtis2585
@mikecurtis2585 Год назад
Wow that's a lot of history in his shop! Always a great visit!!
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Thanks Mike, never what your going to see at Bobs
@gearbanger57
@gearbanger57 Год назад
Interesting to hear Bob's unbiased views as a machinist on all the different engine designs.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
I liked that too banger, from experience, not a magazine
@johnelliott7375
@johnelliott7375 Год назад
The Man knows his stuff!😯
@johnelliott7375
@johnelliott7375 Год назад
A Man after my own head and heart , 427 in Chevrolet and Ford is so hard to beat!😉
@Enigma-Sapiens
@Enigma-Sapiens Год назад
Great video, man, and engines, thank you!
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Your welcome. Have some have not even posted yet, have to catch up
@Enigma-Sapiens
@Enigma-Sapiens Год назад
@@DragBoss351Cleveland, That's great news, can't wait to see them!
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Right on
@johnelliott7375
@johnelliott7375 Год назад
Back then things were built right and to last!🤗
@donolbers
@donolbers Год назад
Man, that name Wacholz brings back some memories! Driveshafts were one specialty, and Bud's name graced a Late Model or two out of Columbus back when they were based on a production car.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Thanks Don for sharing that, you Ben around the block too. Glad your here. Stay tuned
@mrcirino5181
@mrcirino5181 Год назад
You can learn a lot from a man like that❤
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Ain’t that the truth Mr.
@mrcirino5181
@mrcirino5181 Год назад
@DragBoss Garage Eric Cirino is off work today. If You have an idea what time you can call, just give me a shout in the garage working on the Trans Am or the Mustang
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
How could I call you, did you email me a phone number? Was in DragBoss Garage too all day. Keep wrenching
@davidcallaghan7093
@davidcallaghan7093 Год назад
i had a cousin that had a 39 lincoln zepher with a v 12 flathead
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Bet it ran smooth, David
@johnelliott7375
@johnelliott7375 Год назад
That is beautiful and awesome 20's
@johnelliott7375
@johnelliott7375 Год назад
World treasure, and national treasure. Just like the Captain that saved the American fleet at Leyte gulf is Mr. Beach to the machinist community.
@johnelliott7375
@johnelliott7375 Год назад
Second time and this one I enjoy and is better than the first time.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Lots to see that’s for sure. Always something new at Bob’s
@Experiment-cp1gj
@Experiment-cp1gj Год назад
Tim do you know anything about a two speed rear in a cougar eliminator 428? Seen a post about it and have never seen anything like it before.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Yes, similar to gear venders concept, that bolted to the differential. Only see once in a magazine. Probably still have it.
@rondye9398
@rondye9398 Год назад
Old guys Rock!
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Dam straight Ron
@ldnwholesale8552
@ldnwholesale8552 Год назад
Speedmaster aka ProComp. Products best left alone. V12 flattie, twice as many hotspots than the V8. Came out in the 30s
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
I agree with speedmaster. Know nothing in hot spots.
@svenomick5857
@svenomick5857 Год назад
Tim it is all about the dollars great Vlog Mick Australia
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
That’s what they say Mick, dollars and Crocodiles. Thanks Mate
@stevebot
@stevebot Год назад
Ol’ Hank must have gone through the roof when he saw that, all those parts…two heads, all those water manifolds and fasteners. I bet they built it just to get him ready for the V8.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
No doubt, crazy amount of time and money to make one engine, why?
@johnscott8592
@johnscott8592 Год назад
“NO SMOKING “, including the engines 😂
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Right on John
@randr10
@randr10 Год назад
Very cool tractor engine. I would enjoy seeing that bolted up to an 8N and listen to it under load.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
I would too be cool machine, need to get fired up on the trolley
@johnelliott7375
@johnelliott7375 Год назад
My friend has a old Super 88 and I believe that it is the same year and he pulls it at the country fair every year. I would love to have that one and fix it.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
That one is pretty rough, but even sitting for 30 years paint still good
@strokermaverick
@strokermaverick Год назад
From the tiny thumbnail, on my phone. I thought, it was an air cooled vw, at first. Then, I said, no it's not. Let's, see what Tim has for us today. Many similarities to vw. I do own and work on air cooled vws. Still own one. Very cool engine.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
I am trying to keep you entertained C W. I like Volkswagen engines. Hated doing muffler replacements on them though.
@strokermaverick
@strokermaverick Год назад
They can be a little aggravating to work on, in the car. Depending on what your doing. I didn't know that flat4 Ford, even existed. Have a good evening, Tim.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Thanks my friend only one in existence. Yes they were not fun, especially if a stud broke
@4speed3pedals
@4speed3pedals Год назад
From what I could find, the V-12 Lincoln was made from 1932 to 1948
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Thanks. Then this was one of the last years from that run.
@charliekennedy732
@charliekennedy732 Год назад
I know of a 1937 Lincoln Zephyr with the v12 still in it
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Be cool to have a video of it and running. Charlie
@jacobrude1957
@jacobrude1957 Год назад
Some company in Australia makes billet aluminum Cleveland’s 3500hp
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Have never heard of that. Only Arrow in 🇦🇺 from what I know.
@MrWill73
@MrWill73 Год назад
Great video Tim as always! Have a great Memorial Day weekend my friend. Enjoy with your wonderful family. I will be doing the same 👍👍👍
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Thanks Mr. Will…do. No work this weekend so we sure will be having some fun, enjoy your family and remember why we have Memorial Day 🇺🇸
@MrWill73
@MrWill73 Год назад
@@DragBoss351Cleveland Absolutely my friend!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@markboyce1001
@markboyce1001 Год назад
2 versions of the Lincoln V12,1932 to 1933 for the L heads and 1932 to 1933 I think for the other, I only seen one of these motors until I seen your video .
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
I remember seeing o. Way back when at a car show in the 80s, none since. Mark you have same time period for both this was in 47?
@travisbooth7106
@travisbooth7106 Год назад
Basically a flat head version of vw air-cooled engine
@johnelliott7375
@johnelliott7375 Год назад
I understand that number system I was watching a documentary on the first Ford flathead V8 in 1932 and they spent 632 million dollars to get the #18-1 in the car it was the first one off the assembly line in Detroit.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
That is crazy. Like 1.39 billion today. Never seen that one
@AndreLuiz-ip3fh
@AndreLuiz-ip3fh Год назад
Hey boys. I found one of this carburators in my garage. Don't even know how it ended here.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
One of whose carbs?
@YourMom-mq4zc
@YourMom-mq4zc Год назад
Cool stuff. Whats this we i keep hearing? "We're going to build it in the spring " by the look of his hands the drag boss doesn't work on anything. Thats a fact
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Huh and yes it is a cool video
@Bbbbad724
@Bbbbad724 Год назад
I bet he has done a lot of FE stuff, I love that Cammer!
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
He sure has. I love that cammer too baby blue
@jasonbrown7258
@jasonbrown7258 Год назад
I'd love to put that cammer in my Edsel. I got a 59 ranger with a 500hp 361 Fe.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
It would fit just right Jason
@patrickworkman517
@patrickworkman517 Год назад
I have seen a ford tractor that may have had that type of engine in it. the tractor looked kind of like a G allis,, but you sat very low while operating it....
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Interesting. Surprised Bob, never mentioned it. He knows every dam tractor made it seems. Lol
@mylanmiller9656
@mylanmiller9656 Год назад
Ford built a proto type set of heads with single over head cam for the 302 in about 1968, You seem to be good at digging up information of rare engine. I s there any chance you could find information on the 302 single overhead cams.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Just saw a pic of a cleveland with overhead cams, and have seen on in an old hot magazine cover if not mistaken. So you remember seeing that?
@leoelwood6456
@leoelwood6456 Год назад
Where do you live? I only live about 30-40 minutes from Fremont too
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Sandusky
@nobiden3134
@nobiden3134 Год назад
I call the Ford 400 a M400 simply because its a Modified Cleveland. The Tall Deck of the 351 and 400 they should both be called Modified. I have a 400 with the Aussie 2v's in a 56 F100😎
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Call it what you will it will still run the same 😉love those old trucks.
@alanmize5627
@alanmize5627 Год назад
that small generator may be to power the distributor so it didnt need much battery brcause it is a dist not a magneto
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Not really sure exactly, good thought, but yes, no magneto
@roostingthe6520
@roostingthe6520 Год назад
Is the sohc for sale? I want one for my jet boat.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
No he just sold his other one. This one is going in his 64 galaxy. Although everything is for sale? My other buddy has too sitting in his garage.
@bryanbobo8578
@bryanbobo8578 Год назад
I got a friend here in Florida who used to own Dead or alive automotive it has a 19-6 1971 Ford Torino with a 351 Cleveland block where might be a 72 I forget he also has a Boss mustang same thing 351 Cleveland so I'm wondering what your thought process is on 351 Cleveland and Boss heads ?
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Not much different with boss heads, but set up for adjustable valve train. Is that what your asking?
@bryanbobo8578
@bryanbobo8578 Год назад
There are mean different was to build this it was the change of every dragstrip infants it was outlawed to race the 351 Cleveland because it was unstoppable infante Australia cast that same block with 10% more what ? If you can answer this than I will become a member to your Chanel
@bryanbobo8578
@bryanbobo8578 Год назад
Boss heads are 10 to 1 or 10,3/4 to 1 .... In 1972 it was like 9.1/2 to 1 now everything is like 8.3/4 to one so everything is going for the cheep TurboTax but I also have a uncle Steve that has a beast of a cobra jet and it has X heads do you know the compression ratio of the X heads?
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Nickel, although t who knows. Have two of the Australian blocks sitting in DragBoss Garage.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
What compression ratio are you talking about. Boss we’re supposed to be 11.7:1. Cobra jet were open chamber
@chuckfoye4563
@chuckfoye4563 Год назад
Hard to pay attention with that cammer in the background...great vid though!
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Look at the vid where he talks about it thanks Chuck ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-g-KunwRxO7s.html
@chazstone5519
@chazstone5519 Год назад
like your videos very much but please give the older gentleman a mic for his voice to actually be heard by your viewers thank you if you can do that
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
I did get a mic system from a subscriber but that vid was done in January. Appreciate you Chaz
@johnelliott7375
@johnelliott7375 Год назад
If you are going to do a AR video please.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Aris Root?
@johnmorrow7080
@johnmorrow7080 Год назад
About 15 years ago I was up in Jedburgh Scotland at a B&B talking to what I thought was another guest he was a friend of the owners who was doing work on the stable building we got on chatting he got on about the generator he had rebuilt for them in case of power failure a Flat twin 1200cc I cannot remember the name of the company but it was British , I was told the Ford V4 started life as a generator I've seen Triumph and VW too . Interesting video though .
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
John, interesting stuff, never know it could be for now. Armature not that big though.
@duanebolen543
@duanebolen543 Год назад
8in Fords were produced in late 1947 to 1952late then the jubilee was 53
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Good info to know Duane.
@classicstangbrn8964
@classicstangbrn8964 Год назад
First model T 1908
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Did not know that, thank you for the info
@williamspurgeon3803
@williamspurgeon3803 Год назад
Has he ever tried to run it
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Just turn it over. Maybe this summer we can get it going. Cool engine from the later 20s early 30s.
@johnelliott7375
@johnelliott7375 Год назад
Mechanical only,I knew it!
@Dewydidit
@Dewydidit 4 месяца назад
Get an 8N tractor to mount the motor to.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland 4 месяца назад
He may do that, he did mention it
@jeffsnyder2051
@jeffsnyder2051 Год назад
i believe the v12 is late 30s
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Thanks Jeff, appreciate it.
@chimpfoos65
@chimpfoos65 Год назад
That old and at the same time very young man is very knowledgeable man the day the lord calls him home the world will lose a very unique pers9n I hope is is a long time before the lords needs him
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
You and me both. One of kind that is for sure. We need to thank him for his work
@chimpfoos65
@chimpfoos65 Год назад
Tim you are the kind of man that makes the world a better safer place you are the kind of man that thelord builds as time go on with alot of lessons from the past that is what makes you whole you could be made whole before the blink of the eye before you were born however that would not even make you the special man that time and choices and love that you felt to become the man that you are and loss and hardship help forge that same man so in short the man to me that you are allowed to be is the man that I believe would make the lord cry to love CONGRATULATIONS I belive you to be that man .because it would not impress the lord to make the other man that's not enough to him however the man he received from you is more than enough to make him very proud
@chimpfoos65
@chimpfoos65 Год назад
I hope you enjoyed that Sir I never tell other people what they mean to me in life as a fellow human being However I wanted you to feel that in life Hell I don't know maybe the LORD wanted me to send that to you he might of thought you needed it
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
@@chimpfoos65 amen on that. I give thanks to God on my knees twice daily. He has blessed me, and I want to be a living example for others. The old ways were great ways. Need to help others attain their maximum potential. I instill the same ideas into my children. God guides me daily and you. But you have to follow his guidance. Thanks Frankie
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
@@chimpfoos65 he has guided me daily since I became the man I am today. Not an easy journey, but righteous is easy. 🙏 amen
@johnelliott7375
@johnelliott7375 Год назад
Buy once cry once.
@johnelliott7375
@johnelliott7375 Год назад
Car production was stopped from 41 to 46 no cars period. Jeep and trucks
@travisbooth7106
@travisbooth7106 Год назад
Was a few cars produced but only for military and had to be to military spec very rare
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
How about 41 Ford?
@mikeys1459
@mikeys1459 Год назад
Subaru !
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
And vw
@johnelliott7375
@johnelliott7375 Год назад
I sent you a message on messenger or a treasure.
@douglassteiskal9097
@douglassteiskal9097 Год назад
That Lincoln v12 was made from 1938-9 till 1949, terrible engine dad had 3 of them ,took the v12 out put the 85 horse v8 in ran much better I had a47 Lincoln coup beautiful car Junk engine. Took the engine out put a1949 f8 engine in .in1950-51 there wasn’t a hot rod in Cleveland,Ohio that could beati
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Hot rod Lincoln Douglas
@johnelliott7375
@johnelliott7375 Год назад
No, never
@johnhennery8820
@johnhennery8820 Год назад
I wonder if that 4 cylinder would bolt to a 9 n tranny great video thanks for this with us
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
John, he said it had a 9n clutch and flywheel I thought but I may be wrong may have been 8n. Be amazing tractor if he could.
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