I love the pain in Flemeth's eyes. She really felt that jab about being a bad mother, and the smirk on her face as she walked away, like she was proud she was proud of the outcome. So was she pleased to see what kind of woman her daughter grew up to be? As someone who romanced Morrigan in the first game I certainly felt proud of her.
She was proud that even in the face of certain death Morrigan fought for the thing she treasured above anything else. Selflessly simply out of love. Just like she has thru out the ages for Mithal. And that smirk was purely out of sass as she made her daughter speechless, if you remember she always smirked that way whenever she made Morrigans head spin :D. Flemeth never was a bad person, but her devotion to Mithal and her mission clouded her judgment and made her forgot her own mortality. In many ways, Morrigan was what Flemeth used to be before Mithal! And by seeing Morrigan evolve and become independent she saw a bit of herself in her and felt proud that Morrigan got to have what she never did.
@@Hypegreene05 I don't think she regrets it. She never meant to take Morrigans body after all. It was Morrigan overthinking and reaching to a conclusion which in her mind, made her mother villain.
I also think it hurt her because it hurt Mythal inside her. If I remember correctly, Mythal was like a mother to the elven people. And to quote Flemeth's own words, "she is a part of me, no more separate than your heart from your chest", much like Anders and Justice/Vengeance. One of Mythal's missions as a goddess was to be a mother to her people, so hearing Morrigan say this made Flemeth feel like she had betrayed Mythal's most important value, which ultimately made her change her mind. That's the way I like to see it.
How many daughters has Flemeth had over the centuries? How many has she groomed, tutored, fake loved until she took over their bodies while discarding her old, frail bodies? Even removing the old god's soul from Kieran doesn't make her a good parent.
The OG's for me will always be the best, I can only dream to have Morrigan, Leliana and Alistair together again. Man I miss Morrigan and Alistair interactions, they were just like Siblings provoking each other all the time.
Somehow I doubt it. Next game will be set on Tevinter and Morrigan has no reason to go there. We may learn something, a reference, a mention or a letter but not much more.
@@juanlaise1059 yeah, I don't have much hope to see them again. At least will be interesting to see Dorian as a magister, opposing the "Old" ways of the tevinter imperium.
@@MatheusRodrigues-gm5tf Oh, I am sure we will see the OGs again. Just not in DA4(though there is always the chance that I am pleasantly surprised) Morrigan definately has a part to play still in the future of the saga
I love how Morrigan doesn't even fucking hesitate. Her story is one of the best of all time in my opinion. Origins: "Love is a weakness." Inquisition: "He leaves with me. I am many things but I will not be the mother you were to me."
And it's quite sad that Morrigan doesn't even consider herself a good mother to Kieran despite everything. With all of her arrogance and pride, I think she should have been waving the flag of her being the Best Parent. She has bragging rights to do so.. I just wish she can see that.
I always felt pain for how Morrigans and Flemeths relationship ended in DAO. No matter how sarcastic both of them are, its clear they truly loved each other in their own way.
She left her husband for a lover, whom the husband killed and tricked her into becoming imprisoned... doesn't that sounds like what happened to Andraste?
Awkward being a Cousland, when your ancestor is the one to fuck up Flemeth's life... then to screw her daughter, love her and follow her into the mirror. Or watch Morrigan run away.
I didn't have any saves from the previous games and I thought meeting Flemeth in the forest, without Kieran, was the only way that scene ever played out. I NEVER even saw this, before. I had to read the wikia to understand how this could even happen. Damn, did I miss THIS. But...does this mean that Solas got an even BIGGER power boost when he absorbed Mythal at the end? So he didn't just get her power, but old god's, as well? THAT's insane. I seriously wonder how the hell they're going to defeat him, unless they find some way to weaken him, maybe.
@@user-yk9kh3xu5s I do wonder exactly what did Solas absorb to boost himself. Since outcome of Kieran very existence depends on choices in Origins, there's gotta be some "default" power boost that makes Solas so powerful at the end. I've seen theories ranging from that Flemeth managed to hide Mythal essence or whatever from Solas and pass it to Morrigan and Solas only nabbed some of that power, or that Solas got his hands on old god soul. I am honestly bit confused. And i really am looking forward to next game to solve that mystery.
@@Zero60133 If one is to theorize... Flemeth puts something into Eluvian regardless of Kieran's existence, and from the visual alone it does look like an Old God soul. So, in the event Kieran does not exist, she might be sending her essence as Mythal and what he absorbed were Flemeth's powers (or a chunk of the said essence, in which case that is why Solas does not seem concerned). That, or she did find a way to snatch the Archdemon's soul before it would get completely destroyed by the Warden's. Also, if Mythal's essence and Urthemiel's (smth close to it) look identical, one can make an interesting observation. Solas imprisoned 7 out of 9 of his brethren (with himself and Mythal being free), and there are 7 Old Gods, who commanded the ancient magisters to storm the Fade and the Black City, and subsequently they carried Blight into Thedas, something Solas considers extremely vile form of power. So, possibly, the Old Gods were serving the Evanirus, or even housed parts of their essences to reach their 'godhood' and attempted to use magisters to break their prison. Of course that includes the odds of Flemeth, Mythal's avatar being a dragon shapeshifter. Whether they are responsible for the Blight is another question, but since DA4 has Solas doing something with red lyrium, which is now known to be blood of a Titan corrupted by the Taint.
@@user-yk9kh3xu5s This is all a lot of theory crafting. There does seem to be potential for lot of interesting developments, if handled correctly. I am genuinely curious about nature of Blight/Taint as well as it's connection to Old Gods. I've seen theories that range from Taint/Blight being their own separate thing from Black City as well as others claiming it's something connected to Old Gods. But it's interactions with Old Gods is genuinely confusing, Old Gods don't seem like forces of good, but they also don't seem too keen on the whole Blight/corruption business and leading darkspawn armies, implying they are truly separate. (i remember hearing that Solas considers archdemons pawns of Blight or something). As well as whole story about red lyrium, archdemons having their own "songs" perhaps different ones for each. It's one of questions i really want solved. As well as nature of elven gods Solas imprisoned, personally i'd like them to be separate from Old Gods and for darkspawn corruption to be something truly alien, evil and wicked, separate from mortal understanding. But we will see.
Wow. What a powerful cutscene. Flemeth and Morrigan's story always intrigued me since DAO! Loved the generational reunion and the questions it answered...and the ones it created. 💖
As someone who is a mother in real life? This is deeply emotional. I love it. Especially since Kieran was actually voiced by Claudia Black's real life son, Odin.
Voice acting at is best. (Claudia Black has an outstanding voice, one of the reasons you pick her on KF2 as Mrs Foster... which, sometimes uses the famous Morrigan "Well, well, what do we have here?" quote)
4:48. Fun fact: the legend the Inquisidor just spoke is actually the popular History about flemeth, so it was pretty choking because the popular version is rarely the true version
The most known legend of Flemeth included a battle with the hero Cormac, to stop the uprising of Flemeth and her Chasind army. All lies, of course, Morrigan supected Cormac used Flemeth as an excuse for a civil war he was Fighting. It also mentions that Flemeth became an abomination so she could destroy the Noble that betrayed and killed her lover, wich is... Half true... According to Morrigan, Flemeth and the bard planned a ramsom for the money that the Noble offered, and this one took her and killed the bard. Wich led to her to talk to Spirits of the Fade for her revenge. At the end, it had only parts of the story right, since Flemeth Is not an Abomination, at least not from a Demon. And it also mentions many daughters of Flemeth, but it was only one through the time.
Everyone: That's a interdimensional Monster Morrigan: Come my boy get away quickly she's a monster Kieran (Being a creepy asf child): I must fulfill my destiny
I want to see them too but it would be impossible. They would need a voice actor. They will also need a personality which would have to change depending on the player. I think it would be better if they appear in a dlc with the warden as a silent protagonist.
Technically not the same kind of thing. Wynne is more like Anders/Justice in DA2, while Flemmeth and Solas are...well...another entire animal altogether.
As nice and touching as this was, if anything happened to Kieran or she stole Kieran away I can just image the pure rage and unstoppable force of our Warden dropping everything he's doing at the moment he'd find out. He would make a god fear.
I like that and I agree with you, he should be called Creepy Asf Kieran from now on probs his full name too. And yep this is cringe worthy clunky it loses its hilarity fast.
The thing is that bioware had to pump out DAI in 6 month crunch time. To EA it is called Bioware magic and the Bioware devs? They hoped it would flop so the videogame crunch would gain some publicity.
@@zacharystimac3346 meh everyone’s play throughs are different he was alive in mine and showed up in inquisition so we’re just gonna have to see because nobody knows truly what will happen
I never understood why Morrigan is so determined to believe Flemeth will steal her/Kieran's body. She found that in a fake grimoire! Why the hell would she ever think it was true??
if only they didnt introduce kieran at all.. we could have played kieran or a female version in dragon age 4. imagine playing as a child of morrigan and the grey warden
@@gentryduran8747 yes we should take that into effect,, into Mass effect. Remember when shepard dying in 2 didn't carry to 3. Bioware (old) didn't seem to care to retcon a few things even in dragon age. And besides even if its not the grey warden offspring it could ve been at least morrigans tying your pc to the story's major underlying story arcs which could have been cool. But alas he may yet appear as a companion
People think flameth is dead but morrigan literally said she took the old gods soul that means she has 2 gods souls she obviously passed mythals through the eluvian and the other to solas
I never got to upload my previous dragon age playthroughs. I slwaus wanted to know what happened to morrigans child. And you hardly see morrigan and flemeth in the default world
"I am many things, but I will not be the mother you were to me." "Come on, now, was it THAT terrible to do my cooking? And to trap templars?" "Yes." - Chadess Trolligan
Damnit. I didn't bother looking at Kieran's wiki page and assumed he would appear in the quests and cutscenes that naturally happen, and I finished The Final Piece yesterday, so that sucks.
I was unaware of Kieran until I started to watch the "Flemeth mind controlling Inquisitor" video and was caught off guard. Fascinating. Edit: I just looked at the Dragon Age Keep site and I selected for Origins that she had an old god baby. I forgot about that.
If what she said is true, i think that she was forced to marry her husband and loved that other guy. And her husband killed that other guy, so she wanted revenge.
@@HanithSVK Actually in Origins Morrigan's version of the tale says that Flemeth propose the plan to her husband, but the lord didn't fulfill his end of the bargain and killed her husband.
@@Afanickton Not really important. This scene is going to happen no matter whoever drink from the Well. The only difference is a minor change of who's going to be controlled by Flemeth.
Damn, this scene is so much better than Inky drinking from the well, but I prefer that path over this lore wise, and it's not a 10 vs 8, the other path is a lowly 5 over this.
romance morrigan in da:o, make her pregnant near the final battle, go with her to the eluvian in the witch hunt, import saves in da 2 and walkthrough it just for fun and import your saves to the inquisition, and let morri drink from the veil
@@grisaier567 Just make Morrigan pregnant with Urthemiel-Kieran. All the other options you mention are not important, as this scene will happen anyways.
That's a bluff if Flemth's last words are right. She said that a soul can't be forced upon the unwilling, since Morrigan never wanted Flemth to take her, Flemth can never do it.
No, this is the ending to the well of sorrows in the main quest if Morrigan drinks from the well- provided she had the old god baby with a male warden, Alistair, or the secret companion.
This is awesome... After hundreds and hundreds even thousands of years of oppression, invasions and even a Holocaust here is a modern rendition of our Ancestors myths
