@@getterzth6957 The answer is complicated. Bitterblack isle was created from Ashe's wish,so he can technically foil the cycle by continuously killing arisens. But the seneschal never intervened Daimon, maybe they deem the challenge to be necessary for the successor so it is part of the cycle?
@@getterzth6957 Technically speaking, it's functions like another wish granted to an Arisen that refuses to fight the great dragon. What makes it appear like a special case is that from Ashe's perspective, he chose neither of the options, that being a) to try to kill the dragon or b) accepting the bargain offered. He refused both and cursed the world. But to the Great Dragon Grette this just counted as option b) as this was the thing Ashe desired in this moment the most (also he clearly refused to kill the dragon). So in technical terms, it's not different from Dragonsbane chosing to become the Duke in exchange for his beloved one. Only the specifics are very different as Ashe now as Daimon tries destroy this entire system, in his isolated island.
@@getterzth6957No, more so Bitterblack Isle was created when Ashe (Daemon) tried to break the cycle out of anger, but instead the current dragon saw his curse and hatred as his wish. I guess in a way he did get both his master (the dragon) and his beloved (his pawn) at the same time, but the dragon was suffused with him to become Daemon while his Pawn became a specter bound to the island.
imo Dragon's Dogma's story is still amazing and bittersweet in its rightful taste. Though the game's not known for its story, I still believe it offered a unique one.
I heard a lot of good things about the story, thats why I even tried the game. And in my opinion, Dragon's Dogma even has one of the best story's found in games. It's not very well executed and directed and there's also some issues with the pacing, but that's probably because of budget-limits. At any rate, in my opinion, the story deals with very profound subjects. Subjects like a multitude of worlds, each infinite unto itself and the very concept of "eternal return". And everything just fits so well into the story. But yeah, I kinda get it, that the story of Dragon's Dogma is a bit underrated, like the game itself.
You missed a bit of more dialogue. During the fight after Orla's part Daimon speaks again and it's very sad. I remember years ago when i first made it through bbi i got very emotional about Ashe, Grette and Orla's story.
Yeah, Ashe and Olra became lovers. Its enscribed on that monument in front of the main entrance once you see all the voiced scenes leading up to Daimon.
wasnt his pawn at first, it was his teachers who was the arisen before him. Then when she lost to the seneschal, Olra then became his pawn and then his teacher(the new dragon) cursed him to live as that being during his time as arisen
ackshully, ashe and pre-dragon olra were both lovers and teacher/student AND mom/son (yes, incest abounds). Somehow whoever Olra used to be lost the piss-easy battle against the Seneschal (and i say this because he always seems to WANT to lose) and then by the time Ashe (new Arisen at this point) reached THE Dragon, he couldn't decide if he would rather kill his mom or his pawn copy of his mom. Instead he monkey-paw-wished himself into being a demon by cussing at the current dragon when he asked what he'd prefer to wish for.
You're forgetting Grette. Grette was the arisen turned dragon, her pawn Olra gained the transferal of spirit and assumed Grettes form before becoming Ashe's love. Olra was human but still served Ashe as a pawn, and the tragedy is that Ashe realized Grette was the dragon. Grette failed against the seneschal, sought Ashe out to slay her, and when told to pick between a wish where Olra was the cost or slaying Grette, Ashe damned the circle with an unintentional wish and lost everything. He couldn't kill Grette, Olra was lost, Ashe was functionally possessed by Daimon. The incest part is Ashe crushing on Grette, who was like a mother to him after picking him up from a village destroyed by Grettes dragon. So no blood or even legal connections, she was just a mother figure. It would be like having a crush on someone's mom as a kid and then meeting their daughter who looked like them when they became of age. Like it's weird, but not actual incest weird.
Olra dialogue is the part that makes entire thing perfect! Through the entire DD I don't feel too much...it was a good game with excellent action mechanism. But story wise very mediocre However, just this single battle with the BGM and Olra's dialogue makes the scene one of the most memorable in all my game experience! I can't name another single fight evoked so much emotion... not even Nier, not even dark souls123, not even any final fantasy... (but overall I feel those are better games lol) Somehow this scene just stay in my mind.... and sadly the second time you face him you won't hear the dialogue... which makes it even more precious
I went outta my way to find the lore of Bitter Black Isle and I still didn't find out if the place where we fight Damon is even on Earth. I say this because if you look outside. It looks like you're in another realm or something.
Correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure it is sort of in a spiritual plane of existence since only arisens are able to enter the island. You may access it from earth but it doesn't necessarily mean it is ON earth. Especially since only the arisen can see Olra, the only person that can take you there aside from daimon luring you which is the alternative
Bitterblack Isle is removed from the world and time itself. This is why Arisen who get trapped on the island can still be alive thousands upon thousands of years later with NO change to themselves, and likely can survive the dragon who has their heart dying and "returning" their heart because they are outside their realm and time.
Pawns can gain more independence and become their own person when they follow an Arisen enough. They also have a tendency to start resembling their master when this happens. Selene and Olra are examples of this, as well as the main pawn in the base game's ending.
@@CNNBlackmailSupport Olra was originally his mother's pawn, and was passed down to him. Ashe seems to view Grette as both mother and mentor/master, so in a sense it's more like dating your coworker.
The Mantle(back piece with the spiky shoulders) I have on, if my memory is correct, is the Ancient Mantle. You can get it from certain chest(s) in the Everfall dungeon after clearing most of the game. You can also get it in one particular chest in Bitterblack 1.0(pre-Daimon defeat) although I don't remember where it is. Save/Godsbane until you get what you want like cursed items.
