Drama Unfolds at the Scrap Yard Again 

You got it.

Running a smelter isn’t cheap. It’s also time consuming. Why shouldn’t they pay based on grade? The customer can feel free to buy their own smelter and spend their own time making ingot if they wanna be paid premium

Smelters will reject or downgrade a 10,000 lb load from a yard in heart beat if it doesnt meet their spec. Not all smelters are able to handle the dirty stuff either. Most shady yards are actually just not good at sorting their material/understanding the categories and have been burnt too many times selling their loads so they just buy all copper as #2 price type of a thing.

Your lack of understanding does not change the complexity of the world around you. You better believe smelters control what goes in... because that is the lowest effort highest return work. Correcting in the crucible is expensive. Might not even be possible depending on the contaminate, and the volume.

I've hauled copper out of this very scrap yard to Pittsburgh watched them throw the entire pallet and everything in to the forge I have videos of it lmao

I agree, about ready for the next load it's going to be epic......

I would have walked away after the second interaction with the confused individual with an attitude.

here here!!!

@removeitprosdemolition Instead of this yard. Even though it's a little further, I would love to see a video of the other scrap yard you talked about the last time. I bet you'd do better then this place. This place is a joke and it pisses me off that they do the shit they do to you and the crew. I would give them zero business. Go to the other one brother. These people are skimming off every pound you bring in and it's plain to see with this going on yet again here. That aluminum when that guy came over in the one vid, probably would've punched him in the face. He knew what he was doing. Knowing you all wouldn't load it back up he waited until the end to say something. Stood there and watched the whole time. That was 100% his plan. The yard sorts it out anyway before it's bailed in their crusher. Floors me! You being them a lot of money when you show up and yet still they pull that bullshit! Says a l9t about their business practices and moral... These yards around here would bow to you with that kind of scrap... They also would up pricing because of the quantity you bring in. I used to bring in mass amount of copper and about 62 tons of aluminum a month. They always paid up for the weight because it was so much. You're in Florida? I'll see if they have a yard there but I am not sure. They also provide a daily price sheet via email you can view the daily payout prices. Let me look and see if they're down your way but may only be around my neck of the woods.

Thanks for the information, we are looking for a better place to go....this is a small area................

no one bothers to spellcheck

I love how they add stuff to the scale and act like they are keeping track of it for you.

Thanks for the words of encouragement.....

Not really it’s hard to decipher, On both sides Of the coin, People try to sneak in shit all the time, and scrapers treat everyone like thieves & liars when that’s not always the case. But when you’re selling stuff on a pound a pound basis, you literally have to watch every pound.

He got robbed

Hello.​@@removeitprosdemolition

I see that as well!!

Same here in Denver.

That's why we try to be as organized as we can when we go. Not much we can do about how they price it. We always ask the "Why's & How's" for next time we process stuff. Thanks for the comment.

It used to be but no, the market has changed since China & Russia used to be a big buyer of our Metal. Now with president Biden & certain sanctions it stays in America & American buyers are much more picky.

I’ve been scrapping for 30 years and number one copper has always been no solder no cover and it doesn’t matter whether it’s brown or bright. It’s number one copper number two has solder joints, connector, ends, plugs, and different things like that on it but I always get those two prices.

@@Jpassione58 Dude I know, can't undetsand it.....

@@removeitprosdemolition do yourself a favor find another scrapyard, even if you have to drive a little further. You will make a lot more money.

Hahaha fuck that wtf

That doesn't sound fair at all. Different scrapyard time. Thanks for the comment.

Lol I brought in a little pile of copper one day at the scale I asked for price guy says .....so much,OK cool then I go to the office they tried to tell me like 25 cents per lb less nope went and made em gimme my copper back ! Jackass

Crazy.

I can get current prices over the phone. Between 9 a.m. and 2 p.m. it might change a few pennies, but usually not.

There is another scrapyard with new owner but we are waiting until they get a little better organized until we give them a shot. Other than that we would have to travel a bit. Thanks for watching.

Yep...I am a slow learner.

Same here number one is clean an #2 is dirty with solder paint or tarnish

That's the way I understand it.

It's ALWAYS worth driving further to a place that won't rip you off. I can scrap 10 minutes from my house, or drive to Boston. Guess which one pays me more than double??

We negotiated with them on this run called them on the number 3 copper, we made the most on one scrap run ever, finishing the video now...

Thanks for the tip. Loaned to someone never got them back bought another pair they are in the truck!!!

Where are you located? Thanks for your comment. I love this industry. More videos to come!

That's been my experience with most yards....

As a used car salesman. "Customers are like scrap yards always trying to screw you" I'm not sure what people expect from used car salesman expect that they want them to know everything about every car and how long it's going to last while turning a blind eye to the hooptie they are trying to trade in for a decent car. 😅

touche'

From my experience at working at a yard. The majority of the people that come in are trying to screw the yard over. They always claim ignorance when caught, I gain nothing for screwing someone over. In fact I’ll teach anyone how to recycle. But most turn their brains off as soon as I start telling them what to do. I call it peddler brain.

What is a granulation machine.....how much and here do you get one?

@@removeitprosdemolition Wire granulators take scrap copper wire and separate the copper from the plastic that insulates the wire. Cost can vary depending on the size of the machine.

@@removeitprosdemolitionwire strippers

It removes the insulation and cuts the wire into tiny bits. Clean bits​@@removeitprosdemolition

​@removeitprosdemolition there are machines that you can run all the wire through and strip them down without granulating. I guess either way would pay enough more to make it worth it

Thank you and thanks for watching!

Good to hear. Don't let them slide on anything. You work hard for what you do and you deserve the most for what you have. Where do you scrap at? Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!

Yes. It's very frustrating when we take the time and effort processing for them to take the wind out of our sails. That's why when we go we try to keep and eye on what's going on and push back when we can. We will try a different scrapyard sometime in the future. Thanks for the comment.

When I buy scrap a if there is only a few dirty pieces I let it go call it clean and pull the few out that are dirty keeps customers happy and want to come back to do business I educate the customer so next time they separate better next time

Good customer service we put lots of effort in making it right.

Funny I never heard of it either....constantly changing...

The scrap yard I work at has always had an insulated #3 which is just common house hold cords from certain appliances.

If you change yards then you won't know what the new con is on the new yard. I know my yard and what they fuck me on, & what I can get away with to fuck them.

We interviewed our rep, the guy said there was no #3 as described in the video he described it as a kind of thin sheet cooper.

Thanks.....

Yes, a couple of the barrels didn't have any and they struggled a bit.

Pro TIP. lol

Yes. It can be a lot of work for little reward if you're not careful. Keep trying! Thanks for your comment and we will see you on the next video! Let us know if there is something you want to see in one of our future videos!

The yard around me won't even take safes. You have to break them apart and just bring them the steel.

Because of the concrete?

Yep that is exactly it.....

We do honest work and try our best. Thanks for the comment.

Exactly

Your absolutely right

Exactly this scrap yard rips people off

I can confirm, I am a yard owner myself. #1 Copper is copper tubing with no paint, solder, coatings and very little corrosion.

@@LilMilely Interesting............is there something know as #3 copper?

Correct. Your buddy is on the right track. Where are you guys located? Thanks for the comment.

@@removeitprosdemolition Oklahoma City, my friend owns a machine shop that worked with many exotic metals, as he hold several DoD contracts. He has one mill that is so big, the machinist rides on it to mill wing supports for military craft. He had a very expensive metal, because of heat bluing they told him it was low grade metal. He cast into a ingot and got full price. He bought an electric arch furnace to melt his scrap down, and it has allowed him to get top price. When you are milling wing supports for a B52, the billet of aluminium is massive. He has 2 mills that is dedicated to milling very large parts.

How does he melt in down and does he melt it with the plastic on or off?

@@removeitprosdemolition all the metal he melts are the machining's and cutoffs from the milling process of parts he is manufacturing. So the metal he is dealing with is without insulation. He is dealing with Titanium, Aluminum, aircraft grade Aluminum, Magnesium, Nickel, Copper, High quality Brass, Inconel and many other very expensive metals and metal alloys. With that said a friend of his is a commercial electrician, that owns his own company, and he scraps out wire, and he has an automated machine that removes the insulation off the copper wires, you just feed the wire in one side and out the other side is clean wire. This machine he said it paid for itself in 2 scrap runs. he said it can strip 18 gage wires up to 7/0. He was joking one time about how his teenagers stripped all the scrap copper wire he had in the shop with the machine in one afternoon to pay for there Snow skiing trip, for them and there friends.

@@raymondheckard234 Thanks for the information!!!

Its not my business model...for sure.

I think you maybe right. We learn every time we go and watch them closely. The little stuff does add up. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!

Yup, no problem. Love the channel. That’s the way we ALL learn…being taught and taking advice from others more experienced, but also trial and error, and then correcting your mistakes.👍 And yes, the little stuff does add up. The whole point of any business is MAXIMUM PROFIT at the least cost. Just think of it like when your investing long term in the markets, there is a huge difference in getting a 10% return every year over a few decades compared to getting 8% every year for a few decades…sounds small, but going from 10%-8% in a year is a 20% loss in reality…..

Also, I’m not a market maker/investment advisor, but if I were you I’d put like 50 lbs of your best bare wire to the side in an airtight container and save it every time you get a lot. (yes you might do better just taking cash and investing that in the S&P 500 etc etc) but at the same time a lot of people are saying 2025 is going to be “the year of copper” so it could possibly be worth it, I’ve got over 3,000 lbs set aside that I’m still adding to that I don’t sell…is nice having hard assets, I’ve been stacking gold/silver/platinum for the longest, buy not sell, and eventually realized why not free copper too? It’s nice having stuff outside of fiat/fiat based instruments.

1 cent per ton?

Glad you watched the video. Just have to do your best while processing what you have. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment.

exactly, but they know you aren't going anywhere else so they got you by the balls.

Thank you. We would like to think they want our business. We try to be as organized as we can every time we go.

You should at least get 5-10 cent a pound more with the volume you are bringing in and sorted.

My scrap yard has number three but it’s sheet copper, so gutters or flashing. I have an old copper pot that I’m not sure what it would be considered.

I did check and ask about #3, roofing copper. one thing I don't mess with, so they never gave me pricing for it.

Everyplace does it different and Florida can be tricky. We learn something new every time we go to the scrapyard. Thanks for the comment!

The number three is a new one to us as well......I am looking into it!

Paint, Solder, medium corrosion goes as number #2 Copper regardless unless it's extremely heavy. #3 Copper is mainly sheet copper from roofing.

Number three in New York is really old copper pans and buckets

@@mikekatura6657 I hear you.

I thought we know our metal but then after the comments on this videos, I question that.....

I agree if you have a bigger volume then normal, always ask for a better price

Copper smelter tell me more....

They have a lead smelt in Tampa . Battery break retrieve lead, smelt lead sell back to battery companies

If the big jobs keep coming with this amount of scrap at a time we'll probably get a stripper just like you said. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.

​@@removeitprosdemolitionI own a scrap company and have a yard, its not worth stripping romex, its only worth stripping single strand thick cable. They do have a wire chopper though that does hundreds of pounds an hour that turns it into a copper flake which pays about number 2 copper price. The chopper costs about 10-15 grand to buy. Oh one more thing, number 3 copper doesn't exist, paint on your copper goes as number 2 copper. The only grade less than number 2 copper is called copper sheet so I guess you could call that number 3 copper but the paint isnt bad at all. Their wire price is really low if I heard you correctly. Good luck.

Wow. That must have been quit the hall. We've been doing this for a little while now and know the more organized we get the more efficient and worth it it is for us. Plus it's less headache when we get to the scrap yard. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!

Have you been cheated by them?

I would agree with you 100%.

Where I live here in Indiana. We also have a cat5 category for wire it's a communication wire. Witch pays really good. I just thought I would let you guys know that. God bless you and your family my friend.

Same here

​@@mikebaize6971I'm in West Lafayette and because of some properties we own on Estero I found this channel and am learning quite a lot. Appreciate your reply and kudos to these folks and their endeavor. Good content.

Give it a shot if you have the resources. You never know where it might take you! Are you already in the industry?

I agree...

Yeah. The more you know going in the better. We learn something every time we go. Do you own your own business? Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!

It's crazy but we learn every time we go and we will get better at processing. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.

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Interesting. Are you in the scrapping business? Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.

@@removeitprosdemolition I spent about 7 years in the same position as the boss there at that place, just for a different company.

@@THEslashman Did they tell you to be fair?

@@removeitprosdemolition Yeah, for the most part. We would be scolded for ripping people off or underpaying for material.

We did have our guy who runs all the crews watch "Them" at the computer and asking all the questions on why they were giving us the pricing they were so we can be better prepared for next time. Thank you for the comment.

Boy you can say that again

I have heard of him.

Thanks for the info. Good point...

Shreds

New scrap video out very soon!!

I just bought two more. Scrap is a side deal for us keeping guys busy, mostly.

I get it.........looking for another place to sell it..

I agree and you are right. We moved on to another yard. See our latest scrap video!!

Depends where you live. My scrap guys seem pretty honest, small town style. Next yard is a two hour drive away, so………

We are limited to where we can go. This is the only available scrapyard we can go to at the moment. The other one for us is about 2:30 min away. We will try a different one in the future. Thanks for the comment.

#3 copper is sheet copper

@LilMilely Which would have nothing to do with the pipe he sold to them right? To me it seems they were just trying to pay less. Here it only applies to insulated wires. 1 2 and then 3 for your 35-40 percent insulated which is your extension cords etc.

@@HardKnocksTime The pipe is #2 copper due to the paint, solder, and corrosion unless it's extremely heavy. #3 can be insulated copper but generally #3 Copper is old roofing/sheet copper with a copper recovery of 88% - 92%.

@LilMilely I agree. But that what he had in that bin, was not number 3 by a long shot.

@@HardKnocksTime Correct.

Hit the nail on the head. The better you treat your customers the better your business will be. Also you get word of mouth and that's how people will continue to come back to your business. Don't cheat people! Thank you for the comment and thanks for watching!

Praise God

That's a great idea

Thanks for watching.

Nice! That's how you do it. Sounds like you're on the right track. What kind of business do you have? Thanks for watching.

What part part of the country are you at?

Wow. The UK. Are you in the scrapping business? Sometimes options are limited. Just be sure to be on your toes when they complain about something! Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!

Here that's what they want, they are in consistent, one person tells on e one thing and another tells you something else.

There is another scrapyard with new owners we're going to try after they get a little more organized in the near future. It's not crazy far away. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!

I hear you?

That's CRV Value. Yards are usually paying between 45 and 65 cents per lb

@@LilMilelyYea, that's what I meant. If you find a yard that pays the subsidized price it's almost $2 per pound but most yards sell to other yards so you get 50 cents a pound. At a yard in Garden Grove you can get around $1.50 per pound.

@@southofhollywood4199 Only smaller and some medium sized yards that has lower quantities sells to other yards. Larger yards sell directly to the mills. Yards that do CRV Value are likely in a program with the state.

@@LilMilelyYup, recently people got arrested for bringing aluminum cans from Arizona and getting the state subsidized price in California.

@@southofhollywood4199 yup, people do it all the time.

I hear you this amount of scrap in not a normal for us.

Do you do a lot of scrapping? Thanks for the comment.

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Whatever works for me. Thanks for watching!

They are probably referring to the old owner. The scrapyard got bought and has a new owner now. Still....need to watch to make sure everything gets accounted for properly. Do you ever have to deal with situations like this? Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!

PS - Always avoid those who question their gender, sorry, not sorry...

Yeah. It's unfortunate. How often do you go? Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!

I think you might be right

Thanks for the positive vibes!!!

Wow. That's great! Are you in the scrapping business? Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.

@@removeitprosdemolition I sure am. Anyone who is not in the metal industry is crazy when copper is going to 15k a ton.

Yep I agree.....

In the USA we are use to getting screwed, then another screwing afterwards. Our government could bankrupt a well ran lemonade stand, they care more about themselves and other countries that get them re-elected than they do about the tax payers. People had better wake up or they'll wake up with nothing in their bank account.

Yeah. It really sucks

Do the best you can while processing your load so you give them no excuse to downgrade your load. They will use any excuse.

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It's funny to see how things have progressed to this point with this scrapyard

That's good Karma, excellent business practice. We do demo the same way, we have more Google reviews than all the 30 companies we compete with put together. A good reputation is better than money!

Times are changing..that's for sure.

Thanks.

I'm sorry i'm not following you

Yeah. Unfortunately we are kind of cornered into this one scrapyard. Where do you go to turn in your stuff? Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!

@@removeitprosdemolition I am over here in Wisconsin!

That's an idea...........

We have a nice culture, respect!!

They don't communicate.....and logical thought is unreasonable.

Whatever the price they are giving for the material that's it. That's why we try the best we can in the process steps so we get the most we can for what we have.

most yards up north will pay higher rates if you bring in bulk material like that.

Glad you enjoyed it! Where are you located at? Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!

Holy moly!!

We had one of our supervisors call this yard and told them we were coming and discussed prices on some of this stuff. This is the only scrapyard that is available for us at the moment. In the near future we will be able to try another. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!

That's a good point....we have another scrap yard they have been a mess, we will try them soon they were just sold and we have high hopes that they can get their act together....

@@removeitprosdemolition sims metal management has yards on the east side of Florida. By like west palm beach or something? They are probably the yard that most of your smaller yards take the metal to. It might benefit you to call them and check out how they operate. With $11k loads it wouldn’t hurt to drive a bit, although I don’t know where your located.

Perfect!!! Very Close!!

We try our best to recycle & reuse everything we can as long as it's cost effective. Have you ever taking anything to the scrapyard. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!

Nice. We do have another scrapyard we are going to try in the future. Are you located in Florida? Thanks for watching!

I’m located up in Maine, I hope you have better luck at the other yard.@@removeitprosdemolition

You know the rookies on both sides. One of the guys this working at that scrap. Yard reached out to us and told us that people are getting fired over our videos. I don't understand why they would get fired for doing their job correctly. But I don't even know that it's true, but I know that the owner of the company called us and asked us. To not video there anymore and my general manager is like, okay, well, what do you got to hide? I said we had nothing to hide. What do you guys got to hide all we're doing is? This is just part of our business process. And he said, well, one of the employees went all the way up to the owner of the company and its a pretty big company. And was complaining about being videotaped and it's that person that I had dialogue with who sold us bought our stuff as number 3 copper, which nobody has ever heard of at least on RU-vid. There is a number 3 copper according to the grading scale. According to it's like sheet, real thin sheet. Copper, that's what was explained to us. Well, next video will be out in a minute and it's going to talk all about, and we actually interviewed the guy that's in charge of our our account so you should be interesting. They didn't want to burn a bridge they made. We. We made about 50 grand last month off the scrap metal. So that means they're making 50 to a 100 grand off of our scrap metal and all we're doing is bringing it to them. So I don't know with that math. I could get over a lot of things. Couldn't you so we'll see what happens? We're not stuck with this yard. They're just doing the best job here that we know of. In the sense that we don't have to be in the dirt, the mud like you would in a lot of the other yards.

@@removeitprosdemolitionstrange how much dramas going on at that yard lol most places don’t care bout recording. I agree, they seem clean, lotsa space, and pretty fast with what they do - so thats a plus. It’s just a shame that you gotta fight for whats fair. Interested to see how the future goes! Good luck 🤞 i wish I had those size drop offs lol do you quote your demo jobs with approx scrap returns factored in? Or is the scrap just a nice bonus for you guys?

Scrap is a bonus, its extra work..

@@removeitprosdemolitionright on, that’s awesome. I know a lot of contractors like plumbers that factor it into their quotes to try and be more competitive pricing wise, but also every plumbing company expects the employees to bring it all back to the office and save it for “the company xmas party” or some other B.S. reason lol like as if the company shouldn’t be paying for that kinda stuff out of pocket lol

I guess it is....

Good eye.

Thanks.....

We may try a different scrap yard next time. We'll see what the results are. Are you in the industry? Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.

You're doing good! All that stuff adds up. Those aren't small numbers. Keep it going! What kind of business do you do? Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!