Another professional in-depth review Thomas. Also, thankyou for providing the links that helped give me the answers to my various questions. Your channel is really first class, I particularly appreciate your teams assistance, and your rapid reply and on point guidance, makes me appreciate Autogefuehl even more as time moves on. I realise you were happy to help, but it makes me feel justified, In my subscription to your channel. I will now become a donor to Autogefuehl, as I can see your teams efforts in providing "Excellence," a real "Top Tier Service," in my opinion. Which goes far beyond the 99% of other Automotive channels. Again thankyou to your team, and to you Thomas. Sincerely, Mark.
+Mark Law thanks so much ! Always trying to keep up our service. Also join our full e-class review! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Pq5LDi3-ChU.html
I would like to see a video where you just focus on how well the autopilot performs under various conditions. Don't take over, don't make excuses for it. Test it. And don't talk to fill the time. Edit it. And point the camera so we can see where it is driving. Tesla has difficulty with strong curves and curvy hills. Also sun in the camera and road obstacles like cones and road blocks. Some have reported that it's not stable on the road. Try snaky forest roads.
Thank You for this review. I happy to get my E 220 d AMG Dynamic here in Thailand in august, even when the DRIVE-PILOT not available here. In a western country this is a good thing. Here it is better not to have, because here is an other kind of driving, mostly without makings on street
Impressive review. A lot is happening in the car industry right now... how long will it take for a person, without a driving license, to move around autonomously in his/her car, I wonder? Talking to the car should not be that far from now neither. I think in the near future a person will be able to address his/her car and say 'Leave me here and park near by.' and then phone the car and say 'Pick me up where you left me.' Beautiful car. Mercedes excelled in this series.
@MR UVA The Parking Pilot system and Active Brake Assist imo are the best in the business right now, everything in my merc works flawlessly. Surely you're exaggerating at least a bit?
The "warning" only tells you to once touch the steering wheel (to confirm you are awake/alive) and then it goes on normally. It doesn't stop of you just touch it once!!
Just like the Daimler trucks, if the system is not 100% confident then driver must take over. That's comforting to know the safety features leave no room for error.
I agree - you as a reviewer Thomas and Autogefuhl are the most professional reviewers online or TV. No gimmicks, no power-slides, just comprehensive real-world information that informs buyers. Outstanding.
Drove this car e220d, on eco mode, 250 miles to Cardiff and back. Was stuck in a huge Saturday jam - trying to get to car park - got 50mpg overall ! Including cough (80mph) on motorway. This is a perfect car ; performance with economy. I can't trust the autopilot. But the 25 mins waiting to get to car park is a perfect use of the system, you can relax and let the car get you there. Pity north Americans think a 2 litre motor is a joke, it's not, and this one is better than the BMW which has lag.
7:41 Brilliant remark. Actually autopilot promotes safe driving habits. I have E-class cabriolet with this system and confirm what you say. I prefer to cruise behind somebody at safe distance set by distronic plus, than drive fast for hours concentrating on each curve and road situation.
+lalos as this is the newest technology of the E-Class, yes of course. But you can check out our full review with a lot more aspects which do not touch autonomous driving :)
Thanks for the video. For me it was especially interesting that the autonomous mode lets the car ride right in the middle of the lane. I shudder at the thought of cars driving like that in future. It would prevent me as a human to perceive the intention of the driver (ha, the car, really) in front of me. As a human, I may tend to the left side of my lane more or less subconsciously to signal my will to take a left turn or to change lane. Following an autonomous car perfectly occupying the middle would make me - as a human - a worse driver. I'd be deprived of information and out of nowhere, that thing in front of me would change lane. Car to car communication done via special ad-hoc networks won't help either because that would imply that I - as a human - had to integrate with a computerized driving environment. Even without discussing percentage of cars with car to car communication, I want it the other way round. I want autonomous cars to integrate with humans driving cars. The same goes for stopping because traffic in front slows down. As a human, I do not only care for the car directly in front of me, but - if ever possible - cars before that. You had the situation in the video. Obviously, autonomous cars are not good at that at the time being. What are the implications for traffic patterns as of now? Car to car communication is a way to solve that problem, but again the question arises, how can these systems integrate with a human centered driving environment? And how can slow adoption of those systems make traffic safer for everyone along the way?
Interesting video, yesterday i drove the Volvo V90 and it's autopilot was a disaster. I'll have the Mercedes in a few days for a drive and will see if its worth specifying over the normal radar cruise control. If the volvo is anything to go by, these current systems are just expensive and dangerous toys.
When the car is in autonomous mode, how much turning force does the driver need to exact on the steering wheel for the car to think you are taking over the steering?
I don't understand. Back in 2013 S500 Intelligent Drive demonstrator was driving in city on its own just fine, including roundabouts. Just take a look ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Pg5ZSev1jaE.html Why E class is worse? And yes, GPS should work together with autopilot and update maps online. Tesla did it right.
Thank you for this excellent video, I've not seen your channel before so I've subscribed. I'm changing my car in March, I have a E350 2015 model, I think based on your video I will buy the E220 with the Driver Assistance Plus package - which is £1700 in the UK. I don't like how Mercedes (and other brands) make their advertising look like these advanced features are standard on the car and then you find out you have to pay extra for everything! But I think because I do a lot of Motorway driving, it will be perfect for me. I would be interested to see if rain/darkness/fog has any impact on the performance on the autonomous driving.
on 6:10 mercedes saw car coming in left line and instead off just wait to that car pass him like tesla do and then change line he completly turn off autonomus drive..that is just stupid and dangerous. I dont see 2 much point off this autonomus drives in this stage..they are more dangerous then you have benefits ..because you must be always 1000% ready to take over in milisecond and that put more stress on driver then just driving...only thing that i would use is adaptive cryise control
Please tell me, I can't find the answer to this anywhere: in an E class with the optional widescreen cockpit, if you change the units from km/h to mph in car settings, does the speedometer in the cockpit also change from 0-260 km/h display to 0-160 mph display?
Hi Thomas, could you do a similar video about the new G30 5-Series where you review their driving assistant plus? If you could even drive the same route it would great to compare. Anyway keep up the great work!
Sure. I already did that a little bit in our first two G30 reviews, even more (also with autonomous lane change) in the upcoming G31 (Touring) review Wednesday night. ru-vid.com?search_query=autogefuehl+g30
Indeed the system sometimes doesnt work perfectly. Check our Touring review where I also go in-depth on the lane-changing stuff! And report back when you tried yourself :) Remember to hold the Indicator but not push it to the very end as you would do when normal indicating :) Check the driving part before that then hehe
Do you know anything about autonomous cars emerging from T-junctions? If they can do that safely then many motorcycle/bicycle accidents could be prevented.
Die deutschen Automobilhersteller haben nun mit einer gewissen Verzögerung an Teslas System aufschließen können. Gute Sache - neue Technologien sollten sich schließlich markenübergreifend etablieren können. Die Strategie der Weiterentwicklung ist aber immer noch altbacken: Die einzelnen Mercedes-Fahrzeuge werden nach dem Kauf auf diesem Level des semi-autonomen Fahrens bleiben. Die Software-Entwicklung geht hinter verschlossenen Türen natürlich weiter, aber größtenteils in Simulationen und ab und zu mit Prototypen auf der Teststrecke. Und irgendwann kommt die Ankündigung, dass die nächste Generation mehr können wird und die übernächste vielleicht schon voll-autonomes Fahren erlaubt. Davon hat der heutige Käufer herzlich wenig. Muss er sich in 3 Jahren halt wieder ein neues Auto kaufen, wenn er die Technik nutzen möchte. Oder es werden jährlich Software-Verbesserungen angeboten, für die man in die Werkstatt muss und für jeweils kleine Zusatz-Features tief in die Tasche greifen darf. Ganz anders bei Tesla: Sämtliche Fahrzeuge registrieren das natürliche Verhalten des Fahrers und die gleichzeitigen Sensor-Daten und übermitteln dies an die eigenen Server (ja, die Datenschützer schreien auf - ich bin da nicht so paranoid). Dadurch kann die AI direkt vom Menschen lernen. Es gibt engmaschig Updates von Tesla über die Internetverbindung, automatisch und kostenfrei, mit denen neue Features implementiert werden und die "Intelligenz" des Autos steigt. Das einmal gekaufte Fahrzeug wird kontinuierlich besser. Bezüglich des späten Abbremsens bei ca. 15 Minuten: Ja, vorausschauend fahren geht anders. :-) Aber das haben bisher fast alle Hersteller noch nicht richtig raus (kann sein, dass Audi da etwas weiter ist als der Rest). Sollte eigentlich nicht so schwer sein zu berechnen, wann der Autopilot den Wagen frühzeitig ausrollen lassen und Energie sparen kann. Die Sensor- und Kamera-Reichweite sollte eigentlich genügen, wenn selbst bei Autobahngeschwindigkeiten der Sicherheitsabstand eingehalten wird.
+Autogefühl Thanks for responding. I might double check with Mercedes, as those metal paddle shifters would look just as nice on a non-AMG Line E-Class!
Why I say: all the autonomous driving systems are not good (on motorway or not): because you never know BEFORE in WHAT situation it makes the wrong decision. You don't know in WHAT situation, so, if you don't want to end in an other car or on a tree, you have to stay ALLWAYS COMPLETELY attentive - the same way, as if you would drive completely your own. But when you make the experience, that the autopilot is doing it right 100 times, you trust it more and more and you get then a little less attentive. But how do you want to be able to SUDDENLY make a correct quick reaction (steering or so), when the autopilot SUDDENLY makes the wrong decision? It works only 100 times but one day it wont, and then? As you don't know before how the autopilot will decides things - in all this constantly changing situations on a street - how do you want to know before in what situation you could trust the car for a couple of minutes? It stays unclear and so that system is not safe (or statistically correct: sometimes it makes the driving safer but sometimes - as you cannot see problems coming, but when you start relaxing and trusting the system - sometimes it's a worse safty because of this sudden failures.
Why pay for an autonomous driving that requires you to keep touching the wheel? Waste of money. People saying "it's to check if you're awake": sure, because if you're asleep Mercedes will save you by disconnecting the only system keeping you in your lane to allow your car crash on the truck/car next to you or into a ditch. Really smart engineering lol An indoor movement detector might be slightly less stupid and monitoring other actions such as infotainment system interaction: if I'm browsing songs/channels or using the GPS, changing the safety distance there is a high chance I'm not doing it in my sleep. If so, then I would bother getting their autonomous driving. Until then it is like buying a nice pair of pants with only one leg.
I love this channel but that is a false statement that a Tesla does not chime for you to touch the steering wheel. I don't know about the UK but in the US it was a legal requirement even when this video was created.
+Jamms Sinon Hmm I guess there should be an update of that car quite soon, then we can take a look at it. Also the Q60 is coming, seen the preview from the motorshow of that one ?
Imagine 20 years from now, nobody is allowed to drive, classic cars only belong to museums, yes less air pollution, noise and accidents but definitely the hell in earth. Driving is a human right, if there's something we had enough is totalitarianism.
It does give reason for hope however we can't forget that electric car manufacture, disposal and even use is not pollution-free. What energy source is used to power the vehicle? What is done with the batteries when they've been used up? We could be facing an environmental disaster if we don't learn how to recycle them?
+Autogefühl Aren't these new features available on the S-class of 2016. Thought I heard about an update this year for the S-class regarding the safety tech?
i cant believe no1 has written the reason as to why u should constantly grab the steering wheel. Its simply so that u dont make a habit out of the anomtous(not the correct spelling obviously) driving experience. If the guy from the video( havent checked ur name yet sorry) shows signs of his normal driving habit; wanting to break earlier for a better feeling when stoping for a red light, driving less 'dangerous'. He fights his instinct to intervene and drive like a 'normal human being'. i guess Mercedes 'self drive' is better than tesla, since tesla would probably be the reason u crash ur car once u drive another car and for a split second forget ur driving a 2002 car.
The tesla does make a sound to warn you but the difference is that the tesla stops the car when previous models of Mercedes just stopped driving and let you kiss with the trees...
hei, deine aussage das Tesla Model S und X nicht vor einer kurve anbremsen stimmt nicht. wenn dort schon mehrere Tesla langgefahren sind dann weis das Fahrzeug dank fleetlearning es. hab es selber erfahren. ob ich die kurven immer so schnell fahren würde steht in einem anderen buch. beste Grüße aus oldervik ( tromsø)
I've driven both cars and the E-Class is so much more quiet, you dont even have to compare. Maybe it is about the acoustic package that is optional with the E-Class and didnt go into this ranking. The E-Class is the most silent car ever in the interior, I have driven over 400 cars and there is no doubt.
@Autogefühl "Tesla system keeps the same speed usually when you set the speed" Really? You just tested the Tesla TACC in this video and the system also accelerated and braked: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BiU4LcprwnU.html
Yes it does that when a car is in front of you, my point was a) the traffic sign recognition and b) the recognition of upcoming obstacles/corners etc. which shall adjust the speed. Not sure how the update of the Tesla works meanwhile though
Pretty much everything he said about Tesla is wrong. Tesla Autopilot does adjust its speed based on location, road conditions, traffic, etc. Tesla Autopilot does not make driving decisions (turns, etc.) based on GPS destination and route information. And did the car even steer itself at any point in the video?! Seems like all Drive Pilot did was drive straight in perfectly marked lanes. Really un-impressive.
+David Deblaere We sometimes extract smaller pieces for separate topics, a lot of guys havent seen this then - and some more can enjoy also the full review later.
E class is bigger C-class or smaller S-class with infotainment/cockpit who looks like 2-3 Tablets joined together!!Mercedes know how to made expensive car with cheap parts and on cheap way
Dream on! Mercedes are lagging behind just a bit with Autopilot (debateable) and definitely with the method of propulsion but in many other respects it Is Tesla that has the catching up to do.
