Some local school districts have installed stop-arm cameras to identify drivers who put students at risk. At least 15 states have passed laws allowing for those cameras to lead to automatic citations. But Arizona is not one of them.
I don't understand how people are willing to risk a CHILD'S life just to avoid a few minutes of waiting. When it comes to such a young life we should do everything we can to protect them.
Probably because they flat out didn't know. Education systems are a joke. I wasn't even taught this as a teen driver. Personally, I hated driving because I knew I wasn't ready, but they still gave me a license. I practically had to teach myself everything I know today.
@@shartbossmaster It's technically not murder unless it can be proven that the person driving the car had the intent to kill. This probably falls under manslaughter, but the driver definitely deserves life in prison.
Unfortunately, she only got 4 years in prison, 3 years on house arrest, and a 10-year license suspension. Got off way too easy for killing 3 children. She also had the audacity to appeal which was denied.
If I had my way she would have gotten one year for each victim a hafe a year for each would or could have been victim and add all the ages for the victims to that pathetic 4 year sentence she got.
One of my friends, who never got their driver's license nor has any interest in getting one, knows that if a bus is stopped with the signs out then you need to stop.
All states should make this law...you run past a bus with lights...minimum 1000 fine and immediate license revoked!!! I dont even have kids and this pisses me off
The reason fines never work is because they aren't progressive. The fine should not be a set amount. If you make $200,000 a year, a $1,000 fine isn't going to hurt you at all.
While that sounds good in theory, it's a bad decision. Cause now you are putting the driver and passengers at risk, and the one think USA is really well known for its suing for all the dumbest things. Regardless if it was their fault or not, and just on legal expenses alone, that would be too costly for the schools.
While I understand citations via camera has been deemed “unconstitutional due to invasion of privacy” at stop lights, this is a completely different scenario. This isn’t about simply running a red light, speeding and other basic traffic violations. This is about common knowledge knowing damn well children are getting off the bus and walking directly into traffic. Some kids have to walk in front of the bus as their home isn’t on the same side as the door. Some kids are very young and have not developed the concept to always look for oncoming vehicles. I fully support more action taken to catch these drivers and not simply send a ticket, but to have more aggressive charges as I feel like more people wouldn’t want to risk catching a case. I personally knew someone who almost lost their 1st grader due to a driver in a hurry, intentionally sped by and passed the bus and hitting this child. The boy was thrown into the air, suffered a bad head injury and endured many broken bones but thankfully did not pass away. I’ve witnessed many drivers ignoring a bus stopping to unload children but, again, thankfully no child was hurt.
i agree, we can make an exception for this. i wish my bus had cameras, one that actually were quality and could catch the license plate. i also wish all my kids paid better attention -- it's actually my younger ones that follow these rules better simply because most of them are eager to please the authority figure. i say that, but my elementary students are english second language kids whose upbringing tends to be better than, ah, certain others. our routes are designed to pick up on the resident side as much as possible. they're also made by computers, so there's always something left to be desired in real life, so there's always some tweaking that needs to happen.
I've almost been hit multiple times. Happened almost everyday my 8th grade year. Now going into 10th, I'm terrified of buses. I'm so happy my freshman year that my bus driver gets off the bus and will scream and yell at drivers for this BS.
WTF is wrong with people it only takes a second to stop I mean come on would you rather arrive somewhere a little late or would you rather kill or paralyze a kid and go to jail
@@blackfacehardon5163 damn right. These kids are gonna have to learn to dodge traffic eventually. If I had time to stop for a school bus I would've had time to scrape more ice off of my windshield than a 2 inch by 2 inch square in the 1st place. They can't expect every driver to even see a school bus let alone stop for one. I got places to be.
@@chrisk6668 lmaooooo you act like you’re so important you can’t even stop. It’s a law to stop at a stop sign, you ain’t got nowhere to be. Ignorant as hell! Taking someone’s life to rush to McDonald’s. Smh
@@GabyP17 I agree. Getting to a job on time is not more important than stopping for a school bus picking up kids . Heck don’t care what your boss says about that just stop and wait and tell your boss to F off and that you don’t want to hurt a child.
I've stopped for a school bus and people were literally going around me they DO. NOT. CARE. its sickening... it's like would you rather be late to work or kill a kid crossing the road..
I started putting my car over the line to keep people behind me from passing while stopped behind busses. I would much rather be rear ended than to watch a helpless child be hurt/killed from a careless driver.
I've stopped in the middle of both lanes behind a bus to make sure no one passed. People have tried passing me. They gotta hit me before those kids tho
got to love this country, were nobody cares about other people and people are prepared to run over children just to save 30 seconds of their time. keep in mind, nobodies 30 seconds is worth the life of 3 children.
Sometimes it’s longer, it really depends how long it takes for kids to get on or off the bus, in some states you have to wait for the bus to resume motion so it could be 1 to 2 minutes in some cases. I don’t illegally pass stopped school buses and don’t think it’s ok to do so but for me I would be annoyed if I had to stop because I wouldn’t want to have stop from going 35 to 40 (or however fast I’m going) when I’m not even in the intersection, especially if I’m on the other side on a road with 4 or more lanes
@@thevarietykid686 I know it can be longer, I wasn't using 5 seconds as the exact time limit for all bus stops like that. My point is that there's no reason for you to be passing a bus like that especially when they have their sign up. From what I know most buses have a set schedule so most people tend to know roughly when a bus is going to be somewhere. So I feel like you should either leave earlier or look for another way around. Those people are putting a child's life in danger and in the case some children have lost their lives because of people like that, but I do get what you're saying though.
Well it's just as well then my automobile isn't registered and doesn't bear number plates. And I don't stand under claims of authority by other human beings over me. Guess that means you'll have to *teach* YOUR OWN CHILD how to cross the road safely. Yes? No?? Escalate it to the point that it still remains a "Me" problem??? What are you going to do next?
Big acknowledgement to the bus driver for being alert and preventing that kid from being hurt. She could've easily been complacent. Outstanding Job ma'am, whoever you are!!!
You’ll become a fan of cameras when it’s your child being killed or hit by a careless irresponsible wreck less driver !! Jail those idiots for 30 days for doing it! It might save a child’s life !
Right?! That guy’s a moron, btw; “I’m not a fan of cameras and ticketing people, BUT something needs to be done...” Dude, that IS something being done. 🙄
My bus driver did that too. He would take those notices to police, and one my friend’s dad was the driver who passed (even though his son rode the bus everyday, and he knew it was dangerous since it was a spot where most kids got off the bus) and he later got a ticket for it.
In 1974 I was hit by a driver that did not stop while I stepped off the school bus. Hit me and almost killed me. True story. I am now 59 and have had to live with the life long pain that is now a disability and I can't get help from anyone. It's a shame!
Were you taught to cross the road safely? More significantly, have you taught *_others_* how to cross the road safely?? 50 years... it's a long time to reflect and act positively on an experience...
@letsdiscussitoversometea8479 Why is it the responsibility of a young individual to remind an adult not to cross a stop sign and red flashing lights? The question is best directed at people operating 3,000 pound machines. "Were you ever taught to watch out for young kids at a bus with a stop sign and flashing lights?" I swear, pedestrian blaming in America is sickening.
@@RafTheDude well, I'm not in the USA - I'm from the UK. In this country, we have what's known as the "Green Cross Code". It's a set of instructions that children are generally taught at a very young age for how to cross the road safely. I was 6 when I was taught how to cross the road using this method. I was given an audio cassette by my mother containing a "story" of a boy who was very carefree about crossing the road, and very nearly ends up being hit by a passing car. When I was around either 14 or 15, I irresponsibly (though in my defence without clarity) crossed the road in front of a bus I'd just gotten off. The next thing I knew, there was the front end of a silver Honda Accord charging right at me. I think I ended up with my hands on the bonnet - that's how close it was. From that point on, I said to myself "Right. I'm going to cross BEHIND the bus from now on." That's never changed. At no time did it ever ONCE cross my mind, that the driver was in any way at fault for his (or her - I've always assumed it was a man) actions. To have expectations of other road users is *extremely* foolish under any circumstances. One further other reason for this, is the possibility of manufacturer error of the vehicles themselves. A documentary on RU-vid called "The Quality Connection", produced by British Leyland, shows the types of accidents that can occur anywhere in the construction process if a car. Attributing "blame" for something entirely unpreventable is an element I suspect you're not really prepared to contend with. This is why being responsible for one's own actions is crucial. I imagine countries such as Japan are even more adherent to pedestrian responsibility. The idea of "blame" simply isn't something I concern myself with - genuine common sense on the other hand...
@@LittleJerryFan92 I guess it really is true what they say about assuming. Do you really think that if someone isnt completely on board with a lifetime ban on driving for a 2nd driving offense or even if they are but know damn well it will never happen that they must hate children? Because that is a completely assinine conclusion to come too.
Cameras in other areas are already causing issues. they dont work. we need our police to start monitoring this and issuing tickets. Look up toll road camera issues and look up speeding canera issues. they dont work.
This infuriates so much because there is just TOO MANY drivers like this not just near schools, but at stoplights and stop intersections. I walk to my part time job since it’s close by and almost every time I cross the street at a stoplight and im halfway there, there’s always a car that makes a turn hoping they can go by before I finish crossing. I’ve had a handful of times where a car passes and i’m literally a foot away from it and could possibly get hit with the side mirrors in the face. This is unacceptable. Pedestrians will ALWAYS have the right-of-way.
I had a woman get mad at me for stopping for a bus, laid on the horn multiple times, passed me while laying on the gas and yelling at me, almost taking out a kiddo, and then promptly pulled over by the officer on the other side of the bus she couldn’t see. My husband did a Nelson laugh as we drove by, cop smiled. Sweet, sweet karma.
@RECKLEZZ I hope somebody got the person’s license plate. Poor kiddo. It’s sad really, people used to look out for each other now everybody’s so selfish they can’t even pay attention to what they’re doing.
Indeed! Sweet! Thats what I loved about riding a school bus too. Sweet Instant Karma! I wonder how much was his ticket? Probably about $360! Did you ever find out from your husband? LOL! SM
Perfect,security procedures and teach the Drivers the way they have to conduct when they see the School Bus with the Stop and Red light show us. GREAT ACTION.
@Lster S yes, because every single kid coming off that bus is going to stay on the side they were dropped off and not ever need to cross the street. Stopping traffic to prevent dangerous situations is not unnecessary.
It's America. This is the main foundation of the culture. Billionaires want it like this. They dont want programs that benefit the majority. Programs like the social credit system that china implemented would reduce selfish behavior. American wealthy don't want that, they love a country where their selfishness can give them advantages.
i made this mistake on accident in a neighborhood after a long day. will never again i felt so guilty after realizing. didn’t even care about the fine or ticket
My friend works at a school and he used to be a crossing guard after 3 months he quit. He had parents cuss and scream at him because they didn't like what he was instructing him them to do. He had parents drive up into the driveway on their cell phones not paying attention where kids could walk out in front of their car and he was told he couldn't say anything to them? He would stand in the middle of the road with a stop sign being held up and he would keep walking closer to the lane as the people literally would drive around him and he got fed up and said no more.
"We're supposed to stop behind a school bus?" "We're supposed to stop at stop signs?" "We're supposed to turn wheel inwards/outwards when parking on a slope?"
"normally we'd require you to take a vision test and a written test to renew your license but it's been waved due to Covid" the DMV lady said to me 2 days ago
If someone ever says they "didn't know" is full of horse crap. That's the first question on the driver's license test that they bought and didn't earn.
@@donutreligion2979 Don't insult autistic people for something they can't change and didn't ask for. Insult the people ignoring laws, and killing kids.
Many years ago, I was driving a fully loaded 3/4 ton truck down a VERY steep hill. I was geared down and only going about 25 mph. I came around the corner and just KNEW the bus was going to stop and let kids off. Sure enough, the sign came out and lights started flashing. This was WAY before anti-lock brakes and all four wheels were locked was I tried to stop and laid on the horn. I remember being so scared I would hit a kid. I was looking for where to put the truck (the ditch was starting to look very good) when the driver retracted the sign and waved me through. I stopped anyway, with about 10 feet to spare. And then waited for the kids to cross. The driver yelled through he window "Nice stop. That had both of us cringing...". I still cannot believe how many people just do not care. Drivers are trained to spot these conditions and hold the kids back. They have a tough job, we do not have to make it more difficult. This driver was on top of things. Totally awesome.
Iv seen a video of a school in New York and the kids were getting off the bus to go into school, and this is like an elementary school as well, and the driver just couldn't wait so he drove up on the sidewalk where to kids were walking into school and almost hit a few of em as well. It just blew my mind
At least you laid on the horn to give warning, so the driver knew you were coming and likely were having trouble. That's more then I can say for the 4 times I've nearly been hit and run over.
There have been multiple occasions where cars even go around my bus to try and get passed it while I cross. It’s a real problem that really needs to be stopped.
I’ve seen a car not only not listening to the stop sign for school busses but go into the oncoming lane passing the pickup line in front of the actual school coming uncomfortably close to hitting a girl crossing the street. It was a small town so it didn’t take 45 minutes for a cop to show up and I do believe he ended up getting a ticket
Same I was walking past with my friend and a car just zoomed by there was like 3 cars waiting but the one passed those cars and almost hit us but we just ran
I didn't have a situation quite that bad but one car didn't stop and gave us all a scare. My stop is right on the side of one of the busiest roads and one of my drivers once asked the school board to move the stop since it was dangerous but they ignored him and fired him. I'm really mad that they did that because it is quite possible someone is going to get hit on that stop one day.
i have such bad anxiety with this, I've almost been hit several times so when i have to cross in front of the bus i just have this natural instincts to look before i actually cross even tho the bus has the stop sign out
So why don't you do what most people do, and cross *behind* the bus?? Or failing that, wait for it to move off (or even a few feet ahead) before crossing the road behind it??
In my opinion cameras aren’t the answer. I believe bus drivers need to get out, stop traffic and assist the children across the road like they did before these “stop arms”.
@@MasterMayhem78 bus drivers can’t get out and help especially if there are students still on the bus waiting to go to the next spot to get dropped off. And schools certainly don’t have enough funding for extra aides on the bus to do what you suggest.
In Texas they do send citations I got one no I didn’t do it on purpose I was literally next to the bus when it started slowing down which of course caused me to pass the light. I paid my ticket and am more careful since then…. But I don’t see people speeding and ignoring the stop sign. At least not that often. They need to give citations, community service or something
It's really infuriating to see that still happening. It was a problem when I was a kid and I had a couple of close calls myself. Make the penalty for failing to stop very severe, like say losing your license for a year or something, and I bet the incident numbers go way down
@@jaimeb6873 I agree! It should be like it is in some European countries and be required to complete a professional driving school and we need to make the penalties for some infractions super extreme!
@@warrenwilson720 then again you know what they say. look both ways and wait for traffic to pass. stop signs garantee nothing. dont take anything for granted and rely on your knowledge.
Your kid dosen't look both ways before crossing any street? Do we need to call child protective services since you clearly don't know how to properly raise children!! 🤦🏿♂️
Yep and also kids who walk home like many times I've almost been hit because some girl told me I could past so I was doing that then some guy got made and TRIED HITTING ME lucky I boo ganged it before he could
@@tenebrosia9755 some people like the person who first commented lack common sense. Please do call a social worker saying the parents should be looked into because an adult blew a stop sign and injured or killed them. The social worker would probably send mental health to anybody who thinks it was the parents fault 😂
When I went to school. Children unloaded onto the side walk as a group. They proceeded to the nearest crosswalk. Then crossed within a designated pedestrian zone. Where motorists expected to see pedestrian travel. We didn't stop traffic at random locations and half heartedly attempt to create a safe crossing zone in between the actual designated crosswalks that typically have traffic slowing for stop signs, stop lights, other vehicles, ect.... no we force children to cross in the open traveling zones of the roads. THEY ARENT EVEN ALOUD TO WALK TO A CROSSWALK BECAUSE OF POLICY. CHILDREN FORCED TO CROSS UNSAFE ZONES FOR PEDESTRIANS.
@@xxsumixxtrax8159 that IS too extreme. it is the best idea ive heard in a while, to get cameras to give out tickets for this. but mistakes happen with cameras, and those red light cameras have been known to give tickets out to PARKED CARS they register on the sides of the road. mistakes are costly, and take a lot of time to resolve. get THOUSANDS of moving cameras on the streets in america and mistakes are going to skyrocket. its easier to deal with a small mistake like a ticket than to fix something big like someone being arrested later and having to reinstate a drivers licence that was wrongfully revoked (and more than likely wrongful arrest lawsuits galore) after their car was mistakenly captured when NOT doing anything wrong. courthouses would be SWAMPED forevermore. the paperwork alone for ONE case like that would be wretched! let alone thousands every day, bc like i said a moving camera is going to be more difficult to deal with than a motionless red light camera. these cameras arent being looked at by a human unless someone reports a dispute against the ticket. its all automatic. they get your licence plate on camera, ticket is automatically mailed to you. imagine thousands of automatic warrants issued for arrests in these cases. geeze. this is what judges are for, to judge things on a case by case basis if someone DID do something horrendous and needs to be arrested. a $350-$500 ticket and youll think twice before running past a bus again. theres no reason to have such harsh consequences if something else is effective in lowering the number of instances. you cant impose overly harsh or inhumane treatments when the punishment doesnt fit the crime. what would be next? jail time for running a stop sign? or for jaywalking? both of those infractions can be extremely dangerous as well. that is just a point, use your brain before replying something snarky to this to anyone reading this comment as if i were lessening the impact of driving past a bus in comparison to jaywalking.
@@xxsumixxtrax8159 Late, but I am NOT an idiot; Jail is too serious and only should apply on serious topics. This topic is still serious but not to the point you need a trial. (car crashes and accidents aside)
A car passed my bus driver in my development while he was letting kids out, and after the last kid got off, he whipped that bus around and followed the guy to his house. Got his listened plate and left. We were all cheering. 😂😂😂
Woah but hey people always say bus drivers cause accidents but the biggest dumbasses on the road is cars i repeat cars not busses but the news makes bus Drivers look like bad drivers and its stupid plus I remember one year a van ran into our bus and the bus was completely stopped
First offense should be a 10K fine, a year in jail and license suspended for a year. Second time, a 20K fine, 10 years in jail and license permanently suspended.
It’s a literal traffic law... why are these people given licenses when they don’t even know all of their traffic laws :((( in Canada they have significantly less traffic deaths because they have do such rigorous testing on drivers before they are licensed.
There are tons of traffic laws that people ignore every day. Speeding, no u-turn, stopping at red lights, stopping at stop signs, no turning right on red, yielding, no parking in red zones. And yet...
I’m a school bus driver in Utah, I drive little kids, people pass me all the time . I don’t let my kids cross the street until every car has stoped. I had a snow plow almost hit 2 little boys in front of their mom. This is totally unacceptable, these people need to be held accountable.
@@cscn_3465 no way do I agree, 3 innocents life’s were lost for someone’s irresponsibility. The original comment said something like “imagine getting 15 years in prison for not waiting”, and I believe the lady only received 3-4 years of sentence, so I was trying to say even 15 years would have been better than 3. And if she did get 3-4 years it’s basically almost 1 year per kid she killed, that’s how much the lives of these children were to whoever made the sentence. Sadly, because like you mention, the pain the parents will have, will be eternal for them, and the lady who ran them over will get a chance to start over once she’s out of prison.
I don't live in the US but I think if someone is caught on camera doing this, nevermind a citation, they should automatically have their license revoked for however many months.
It won't really stop it though as the person driving may not be the owner. Impounding the car though is a good idea. If the owner wasn't the driver then they will be pissed at whoever borrowed the car. It's the same for red light cameras, they only capture the tag and not who is driving.
@@randomname528 did you even watch the video? When kids get off the bus, some of them will decide to cross the street right then and there. It’s acceptable because there NOW IS a stop sign which is the bus stop sign. Anyone who has a driver’s license know that *pedestrians always have the right-of-way*
I’m a school bus driver and I can certainly tell you this happens pretty much every day. It is very dangerous and very frustrating to see. Love to see when the drivers get caught by a cop.
i've yet to see one get busted for blowing my bus off. all i can do is blow my horn and if they look at me be like, 'wtf?!' i have three stops that are confusing to drivers, so i get those. one of those i don't even know the rules on, the other two are debatable. it's not like every situation is in the books. those don't have any crossers so i don't get bent out of shape on those. i also wish these laws were uniform across every state.
@@NewPhone-bs7mt smart phones don't help. i tell them all the time to look both ways, some do, some don't. every time a car blows me off i remind them that's why you look both ways. you can't get it through some kids' heads.
When I was in elementary, the younger brother of my classmate died after getting hit by a car's side mirror. The car was going so fast that the mirror ripped off.
When I was in middle school, circa 1997 or so, my school district (Beardsley Elementary in Bakersfield, CA) required the bus driver to activate the red light with the flashing stop sign, and if kids were crossing the street, to get out of the bus, hold up a 36" hand held stop sign, and stand in the roadway of opposite flowing traffic before allowing the students to cross the road.
This really angers me how selfish people can be. Those drivers needs some serious jail time for putting a kids life in danger. That bus driver deserves a raise.
You Americans are beneath contempt, do you know that? Interfering in *_other_* peoples' lives as though you're entitled to pass judgment on *_them,_* but not focus on your *_own_* standards. You never know - one day, those children might end up just like you! 😃 Wouldn't that be nice??
Put a secondary crossing arm (like the one on the front of school busses) that opens up in the lane next to the drivers side, that way oncoming traffic literally has to stop or it'll hit a metal bar.
@@danielmerrick5290 I don’t think that’s necessary. Drivers will have enough injuries with a metal bar collision to teach them a lesson for good. Also, the metal bar itself is dangerous enough and all spikes will do is increase the risk of bodily harm.
Should be a massive fine and if you almost hit a kid get some sort of attempted murder with deadly weapons charge. Because I mean if you do hit them then you get a manslaughter charge right?
@@user-fh2uk5xc5h Only if they were going ridiculous speeds. Other than that, it would only make them stop. Plus it would make people think twice before passing a stopped bus.
@@squirlking2You know the lights come on before the stop sign comes out to make sure you have time to stop safely right...🙄 I sure hope you pay attention on the roads better. I had a friend killed back in grade 9 from someone speeding passed a stopped bus 😔
As an Indiana mother we are sick of these dangerous drivers. Next time I see one I'm reporting them to the police. If you see a bus stopping, you need to stop.
They need to up the penalty for this crap. Lose driver license for ten years MINIMUM. If caught on the road again, they go to jail for the same amount of time. If they hit anyone, it's straight up murder or attempted murder, not manslaughter or accident of any downplaying level. You had to consciously choose to pass a stopped bus which resulted in death or injury.
A child calling grown ups "jerks". If you were my son you'd be taught - not only how to cross the road safely, but also to *listen* to what other people who have lived years/decades longer than you, would have to say. You might actually learn something *valuable.*
@Lster S but in my country every driver always slow down when see school bus stop at roadside because we know students sure will go across the road. we never had any accidents like what happen in us. In my whole life i only saw only 2 case in news. if accident like what happen is us everytime in my country the driver will pay a price for it. Up to 15 years jail sentences, fined and revoked the license for life.
@Lster S you must be a driver shown in the video then lmao. There’s a literal stop sign on the bus...every car should be stopping. That’s why kids just get on/off the bus quickly without looking sometimes because it’s assumed that cars stop for the bus. Even if the kids look both ways, it’s possible a car could still go by🤦♀️. And not all buses stop beside the sidewalk, I’ve seen kids crossing the street. You see cars yielding for pedestrians going across the street, it’s the same thing for a bus with LITTLE KIDS, except there’s a literal stop sign. If you wanna risk killing KIDS then that’s on you 🤷🏻♀️🤦♀️I hope you ain’t driving around with that thought.
When I was working patrol, I was not a big ticket writer and supervisors frowned on that. But this is one I truly enjoyed writing. I had two sons in school back then.
Thank you from this bus driver. We LOVE to see them stopped after they blow through our lights and usually the children on the bus will be cheering. 😊🇨🇦
I love people like you 😭 I work in a school transportation (various jobs there) and I often hear of tales of police learning routes of buses (especially with stops where a lot of kids get off) and staying close by to catch those who run the light. It’s not a big town here but we sadly do get runners a lot but those policemen do love writing tickets for those who truly deserve it!
@@LA_HA I heard everything he said. What else do you suppose the county does ? They should give tickets because guess what human life especially a child’s is more important that someone getting penalize for doing something they are not supposed to do. So if there’s soMe thing that’s works better love to hear it because clearly the stop signs aren’t working. Wondering why someone would say that unless they themselves do it. It’s easy for someone without a child to say stupid bs like that. It’s the assumption for me. He literally says that and then but something needs to be done. Thanks still feel the same 😝 if you don’t like it to bad.
@@gabriellacorrea5846 It was a question. You answered it. I thank you. If you wish to assume things about the guy though he explained his caveat, that's beyond the scope of my query. Be safe and well
@@Blackporto47 My most profound, sincerest apologies for the inconvenient necessity in having to look up my superfluity of vocables. I shall make a prodigious effort to simplify any and all acknowledgments and repartee from this present time henceforth. M'kay?
