Just great! Really enthusiastic video. Look at the happy face of Martin doing skidz! Very professional interview by Chris in such extreme conditions. It's always cool to watch talented making their work!
Returning here again, helps me to improve both my mental model and real world FWD drifts seen on my page. ---- 1:14 (Reasonable indication point to apply throttle, i.e. when car is balanced, when oversteer is controlled wrt apex) ---- 2:23 (Consequences of overdriving) ---- 3:38 (Consequences of throttling too much wrt apex, results in "power understeer" which may actually be repaired by left foot braking appropriately) ---- 7:02 (After already having triggered oversteer, lack of throttle means we may spin out) As noted, with FWD we sideway the car into the corner, while with RWD we can create momentum and slide through an entire longer corner.
DR BRETT ANDERSON If this were an amateur video, that would be a fine fix. These guys make a living off of the ad revenue and they should have edited the audio.
WhoooLovesOrangeSoda A supplementary microphone (incl. foam "baffle") is all they need. Even better would be a decent set of lapel mic's like newscasters.
I started trying out left foot braking and it does wonders. takes handling and cornering speeds to a whole new level. would probably go faster around a track on a FWD car than on a RWD.
Agreed. Properly driven, and of course barring 500bhp+ cars where FWD cars can't get the power on the road in the same way, an FWD car can and will outperform an RWD car around a circuit - which of course touring car series show, time and time again.
Andi Kravljaca But touring car series often have a penalty weight for rear wheel drive cars. I think I remember WTCC having it at 20 kg and ETCC at 30 kg. Priaulx won the WTCC 3 times in a row with a BMW and only Chevrolet have won more races than BMW in the WTCC.
Andi Kravljaca except in almost all fair situations, fwd has few advantages on a race circuit but touring cars are to promote road cars which are mostly fwd so the race cars have to be too (hence bmw's impressive level of success in touring cars worldwide in the last 25 years)
I have to kind of agree, all else being equal, a good FWD car is going to be faster, on the road, on the track, on gravel. I have a GT86, my wife drives an ‘18 Civic Si and my oldest son has a Mk7 GTI (DSG). I can drive the GTI and Si at a blistering pace much easier and with less concentration or risk than my RWD FRS. That being said, I still prefer the FRS 80% of the time. There are those days, however, when nothing beats stealing my sons GTI and just marveling at how fast it is. I never thought I’d enjoy the DSG as much as I do. It just works so well.
@guestfromhell10 I think the main factors in making a successful FWD drift is your turning path you have chosen, the throttle and braking timing. You have to know the corner well as well. Most importantly (and dangerously), you need to enter into the corner faster than what you can turn normally (over speed). You don't need to use left foot braking to do the drift too.
I think FF cars require a lot of precision diving because if you get on the gas to early or late at the apex then you've lost time. But when they're tuned right and driven right they can really be fast.
Found this video around 1 year ago, but by then I had already been drifting my Fk8, wish I had found it at the start. (a) I learnt by experience and estimation, about working the throttle, lift off oversteering, just to control oversteer and avoid hitting curbs. (b) Afterwards I naturally learnt to operate wrt points looking like an apex. If I had seen this video first, I would have started with a combination of (b) and (a), not merely mostly (a)!!! This is probably where Harris learnt to drift FWD, which lead to him drifting fk8 and beyond:
This video help me understand the fwd techniques.. thanks for the vid posting.. I have recently bought a 98 integra, and im going to do some touge in it.. i have bought front strut bar, front lower tir bar and lowering springs, and later on alignment.. im pretty sure this honda will perform good on the sharp windy turn..
@guestfromhell10 Did you try countersteering in the opposite direction before you throw the car into the drift? It creates a stronger inertia and throws the car oversteering better.
Hit it more, you're causing more slide by trailing the brake I presume. Stab it and cause a definite balance shift. Also keep the front wheels in shape in relation to the desired direction of travel NOT worrying about what the rest of the car is doing, the rear will follow :)
BTCC proves that FWD is > RWD if they are completely evenly matched in weight, suspension, Power. Tho they work best when the car is as light as possible..
awd is the most difficult to drive fast, because you are not able to correct you misstakes as easily, as with other typs of cars. probleme is, most people don't know it, because most people can not drive fast, but then again most people confuse traction with grip.
thanks man i know speeding and rushing aint good like i crashed into a light pole and also there was like a 150ft drop that i couldve gone to so yeah man we should be more careful
@sikkony I forgot to also add, I think the type of suspension setup is crucial too. A civic type R etc has very stiff suspension, so rolling effects are minimal, compared to that of a standard family car etc. The more roll you have, the less you will be able to drift/slide, and the higher the chance of understeer.
@sikkony I would belive you if it wasn´t for the fact that I drive an old Saab V4 -69 which is the most narrow car in sweden, plus its got as soft suspension as you can imagine, and its the best car for left foot braking ive ever driven, because theres no program that runs the motor its just gas, explosions and a lunatic controlling it all, so if you want a pure rally-car for left foot braking, go for the beautiful Saab 96 V4 :)
Proves again that in reality the drivetrain layout has very little to do with the actual handling of the car...both type of cars can understeer from factory, and can be set up for oversteer. Think of tire pressures, you can either have the front deflated and rear overinflated or vice versa, the effect is very similar. Same thing goes for spring rate bias, sway bar thickness, shock rebound & camber adjustments, etc.
A. Shaw Yeaa its so much better when they can drive after a emp though some vehicles can some are even shielded but most will be inoperable left foot braking is nice I did that anyways before I knew what it was lol so I watched this and I guess it only gave me more confidence knowing I had already figured that out for myself definitely is a lifersaver too to avoid collisions and Yeaa Ive had my car sideways even outran 18 cops;)
Remember, FWD the car pulls you through corners. RWD car pushes you. Takes some getting used to when going from RWD to FWD especially on a track or doing a high performance driving track day. Cheers.
For some reason when I try to do that braking thing, the rear end never kicks out. I always kind of understeer more. It seems like he's braking and flicking in at the same time, but when I do that it never really works for me...
Too heavy on the brakes, overloading the front tyres and causing understeer. Gotta flick and jab the brake, don't hold the brake just throw the weight forwards and flick the wheel violently to get it rotating.
AWD is sort of a strange beast. Its limits are much higher, and it is harder to fuck up because of the fact that all four wheels are being powered by the engine, but when you do fuck up......It's a closed casket.
@apexdna And are safer and more predictable at the limit... It also counts to the fact that RWD's are inherently unstable resulting in a Spin on almost every sort of contact (BTCC is prone to having those). Acceleration really is the only thing an FWD loses to RWD. And thats why Im a fan of AWD XD
@guestfromhell10 Haha yeah I do the same thing, I live in a small town so parking lots or dirt roads is all I have. Martin Rowe says in this video you want to get the front of the car good and turning, and you really need to use the brakes to transfer weight to the front and lift it off the back which can then drift on the pavement better. So come in with a little over speed, start the turn, and brake once you're turning to get that weight off the back tires. Good luck man, be safe.
too late for me i crashed my FWD car 2 days ago for over driving it i was used to 4WD and also ESP on now im not an imprudent driver I just took that curve a little bit to fast early on the gas couldve died
he said it had hideous understeer. yet everybody in the country knows an FN2 is about front end precision not rear end adjustability. Clarkson is a muppet who just says silly shit so they get ratings. I prefer honest reviews that's why I watch chris harris.
I just saying you could of had the facing facing forward. this way we could of seen the way u handled the steering wheel and shifter. we wouldn't see ur faces but we would of still heard your voices just fine. I didn't mean to put ur video down. I was just giving u my 2 cents.
Not the greatest video. They only have the camera view facing them and extremely short clips of the car going sideways. They should of had multiple views. Should of had a camera at the pedals, and behind the driver so you could see there steering reaction. All this video was all talk and nothing about showing the proper way to control a FWD car.
hahahaha, i've actually got the hang of it now! It can make me much quicker. Fuck doing it on the roads though, formula for a huge and very embarrasing crash with out a doubt. lol
