Driving Fail Viewers Edition #32 | Wheelie! 

I'd be asking "Just out of interest, how did you end up in a wheelchair?"

@@Gorf1234 He couldn't get up to 30mph on crutches.

It's probably fitted with a tachograph too.😂😃😄😃

@@marklittler784 😂😂

Lol. Literally was my first thought too when I saw him 😂

🤣 took me a while to work that out... "brake pedal in steering wheel? Is that an American thing?... Oh!"

@@reachandler3655 the american part of it is the number of comments on American dashcam channels suggesting there would be a lot less accidents if the horn button activated the brakes.

i never use my horn unless i absolutely have to alert someone (extremely rare). sometimes passengers ask me "honk at them" when someone does something stupid, but its so pointless. just drive and stay in control.

@@LOLHICRONOsome american dashcammers blow their horn more in a day than I do in a year.

yeah i see it a lot on youtube and it always boggles my mind@@kenbrown2808

There's a road near me where people always do this, and it's intentional. I was in a van turning right once and someone turned right from the left without even stopping, and very nearly got crashed into by a car and a motorbike in the near lane of the road that I'd been patiently waiting to turn onto.

It's often the impatient that do this - it just increases the risk for everyone as its unexpected. I don't think it's actually illegal, but would be taken into consideration in the event of an accident.

Check the markings on the road: | |

Never seen a Taxi driver act like a professional, especially around Bedale & Northallerton. Unless coopers, a2b just a bunch of cash for crash cowboys.

At least someone has.

Be lost without it though wouldn't you.

@@CragScrambler You get lost in it.

Really the wheelchair user in principle is no more of a hazard to himself or other road users than any cyclist, the only difference is that steering is by skid steer and propulsion by hands. What is disconcerting/strange is that he is using the road rather than the footpath, which is probably understandable given all the obstacles encountered on the pavement when using a wheelchair. I think the wheelchair user has real confidence in his own abilities and not in anyone else.

Trust me... That's NOT An NHS Chair.... 🤣

I've never used my horn!!! That's probably wrong too but I'm quite a patient driver. 😀

I have no instinct to use the horn. Its the sort of thing I'd think about 30s after an incident. People who get on the horn faster than the brakes have trained themselves to get like that.

@@margaretnicol3423 Nah that's the best way to be on the roads just stay calm and let the other nutters crack on 👍

Using the horn when stationary behind another vehicle as they start to roll back is probably the only action available to yourself.

I don't use it until I've already avoided the hazard I need my hands on the wheel to potentially swerve.

Loooool 14 adults were using a pelican crossing in front of me not one was looking what was going on around them ! ☹️

This should apply to everyone it's all well and good being morally right but that won't keep you outve the hospital, this is what I can understand about anyone who thinks because they have right of way or priority they will just make a situation worse because the other person's wrong !

I always look both ways its common sense.

I always held my children's hands crossing zebra crossings and always stop to look around vehicles, especially since the time a bus stopped at the crossing for us to go over but a motorbike driver, presumably thinking the bus was at a bus stop, overtook and almost hit us as we emerged from infront of the bus. The bus driver also saw this and beeped his horn as we crossed to alert us and we stopped to look at him. The motorbike driver seemed to be oblivious and zoomed passed us. It could easily have been, zoomed THROUGH us. I'm very wary of bus overtakers at crossings now.

​@@mhd5826 Recently a motorcyclist lost his life around here because he thought it'd be smart to do a full speed overtake on a van making a turn at an intersection, on the inside line of that turn. Could the van driver have seen him in the mirrors? Yes, but having lined up properly right next to the kerb, no one would expect an undercut there at that speed. Vulnerable participants should be additionally aware and mindful of where they're going. And anticipate others don't see them or expect illegal overtakes like the one from the example above.

On spiral roundabouts and anywhere busy I'm more forgiving of poor lane disipline because it could well be an area they do not understand or the road markings are poor etc. Some people are idiots on purpose and some are just genuine mistakes people need to be able to tell the difference.

I suspect satnavs are often to blame, ‘take the fourth exit’ isn’t so obvious on a big roundabout and they then spend valuable seconds starring at the screen.

The cammer was at speed even catching the car on the inside, so there was definitely a portion of I'm going to beat you, also speeding up to the n/s of a car that is indicating left can and did cause problems so holding back enough in case they do cut across doesn't cost you anything but would avoid a possible collision, it's on you just as much as it is them to be aware of your surroundings and be prepared, neither the cammer or the red car bothered to try and be safe.

Yep, you’re not the only one who has spotted Ashley’s fault here

The cam car straightens up and doesn't apply the brakes properly, they could have avoided the crash, so while it technically wasn't their fault that the problem started, it was their fault that it ended like that, it was avoidable and I imagine thats what Ash is meaning

@@TheKruxed their fault it ended like that? So it was their fault the red car cut across into their lane? 🤷‍♀️

@@giolaccoun2857 Use your brakes and turn away, not your horn and go straight. So yes, its their fault it ended like that, if you don't do everything you can to avoid something then you also have to take some blame for the outcome

I'm wondering if they stopped to wait for the average speed camera to rack up more time.

@@kenbrown2808 That actually doesn’t work anymore. Modern average speed cameras have sensors to detect frame by frame movement so they’ll have been immediately clocked as soon as they pass the second one as they can compare clips automatically and get flagged accordingly. Wouldn’t be surprised if all 3 have got points now and / or and awareness course. Not that it will stop this knuckle dragging behaviour.

@@ParallelSyntax but the cameras can only clock them frame by frame on the part of the road that is in view of the second camera. And the whole poimt of an AVERAGE speed camera system is if it takes less than 5 minutes to travel a 5 mile stretch of road, you know the driver exceeded 60 miles per hour at some point.

@@kenbrown2808 They can measure from the shutter speed to each frame of your positions to see if you were “excessively speeding” they can’t use it for an accurate measurement but it’s good enough to see if you’re going way above 60, which these guys were (at least 100-120MPH, easily). Who CJ can be used as evidence and charged accordingly. It’s been done. They as why in most cases, it doesn’t work and people still get caught.

@@ParallelSyntax except, again, average speed cameras don't have the entire length of the road they monitor under observation, because they calculate the average speed required to travel a known distance in a recorded time.

since when have the courts actually banned taxi drivers, I know a few police through family connections who say they have borderline given up as the driver gets to court, pleads a ban would cause hardship to their families, and gets a fine then back on the road

Oh, don't you know, taxi drivers and white van men are totally exempt from all rules of the road!

@@easypentatonicbackingjamtr171 ah yes man bad woman good

No. I think that the cammer was mistakenly thinking that the white car was going to exit at that exit (A452 north) from lane 1 into lane 1, despite the white car signalling right, and was trying to exit at the same exit from lane 2 into lane 2. I suspect that the video clip was sent in with the expectation that everyone else would also think "Look at this white car going around to its third/fourth exit and past the 12 o'clock position, but in lane 1! What poor road positioning! And look how late xe signalled!", which is probably what the cammer xyrself thought. It's certainly better at that particular roundabout to use lane 2 where the white car emerged (B4114, which has two lanes on approach), and go around in lane 2 of the roundabout itself if one is heading to the Coleshill or A452 south exits; but the white car wasn't wrong not to, and the cammer simply didn't account for the possibility that the white car was going around in lane 1. The correct response would have been to see the late right turn signal decision, conclude "Oh look! Someone's realized that's not xyr exit.", hold back a bit, and calmly go off onto the A452 north after the white car has continued around. But then the mindset that creates xyr own unmarked lane 2 on the single-lane B4114 to get onto that roundabout in the first place (which no-one else has spotted), goes around the whole roundabout in lane 2, clearly intending to whiz up the A452 in lane 2 as well, is not prone to holding back for other people.

Clip 14, by the way, is just 3 roundabouts south on the same A452, by coincidence.

That's one the *_few_* things about London roads that is good. Almost every junction has dropped kerbs and often textured paving for the visually impaired. Of course they then step off the pavement into a pothole ridden carriageway, but at least they've got somewhere safe to do it.

Here in Brum dropped kerbs for the disabled are often blocked by parked vehicles.

@@frogandspanner not only in Brum. That's a general problem. What pavements and dropped kerbs are wheelchair users (or parents with buggies etc for that matter) supposed to use when half of them are blocked by parked cars (certainly outside of London, where parking on the pavement is deemed to be legal, even though driving on the pavement isn't. Which leaves the question how the cars got there to park, but that's a whole different discussion....)

I also know a couple of folk who ride wheelchairs up and down slopes for sports training purposes, where doing so on pavements could be lethal. They tend of avoid built up areas, though.

@@frogandspanner parking in front of dropped or on raised kerbs is common nationwide

That video was meant for UK Dashcams lmao

Makes sense, maybe all roundabouts should just have a single lane then?… 🙄

Probably engrossed in an argument with their sat nav. 😂😄😃😂

I reckon their erratic behaviour was down to being on the phone

*AUDIOT*

I think he wanted a fight with the cammer who had the audacity to very politely beep him to get his attention on the road.

That guy was totally distracted or under the influence of something that doesn't mix with driving, that's for sure. I'm not certain it wasn't both. Spend enough time on city streets and you're bound to come across people like that.

*affects

@@RichO1701e Mi sew sowry

@@RichO1701e Doesn't matter at all

Been searching the comments for a comment on this clip. I’m left a little confused as well. There was the overtake whilst passing a junction which isn’t praised but that had little to do with the dog randomly sprinting into the road

@@elevenocean4471 If you want to be über-critical you could say that the driver could have made the assessment "Oh look a plonk with a dog. Better save the overtake until we're both past the plonk." but I don't think that the intent here is to be that critical, just a reminder that plonks with dogs are a hazard. As it is, if he'd saved the overtake until a little later the dog would probably have been under the wheels rather than careening into the side of the car.

As he pointed out though the insurance would not agree with him, and rightly so imo.

They used the horn well before the brake pedal, they knew an accident was likely, and instead of doing something to stop it, they chose to berate the driver with horn use instead of taking avoiding action.

They started to straighten up and din't use the brake properly, if you had the ability to avoid the crash then you are just as much to blame for it, even if it sounds harsh considering the red car created the initial issue

Yeah, Ash is wrong on this one. It wasn’t equal fault. Hence why no insurance would come to that conclusion. Cammer was in no way perfect, but the person primarily at fault was the red car

@Follow the howl Hmmm. I've watched it again a couple of times and whilst I don't feel confident enough to completely disagree with you on that, I also don't see what you're seeing - at least not as perfectly. The thing is, having negotiated a roundabout it's very natural to pick up some speed as you then join the new road. But it is at least _possible_ that you're right. The viewer saw the red car, knew perfectly well from its body language that it intended to come into their lane, and was triggered by it and tried to block. If that's the case I can see the 50%. Problem for me, is, the scene doesn't come across conclusively enough for me to reach that far.

I just managed to avoid a kid once said he may not be soo lucky in the future, parent came out and i just got off to let the child explain it he did have a sibling with him..

@@leedorney you're a lucky man Lee, cudos for your driving skill. 👍

I was in junior school when a lad in 2 years below me got hit for being an idiot and playing chicken with his mates. His screams of shock because he broke his leg haunt me and it happened 17 years ago. I think i have PTSD because of it. Kids can be reckless, i always prepare to slam on when passing parked cars.

@@rufusgreenleaf2466 it seems like we share an uncanny sh*t storm my friend, one club that no one should have to join! Rest assured that you're a good driver, you wouldnt be watching this channel if you didn't want to stay on top of your game!? Bless ya, stay safe!

@@FozzyZ28 I didn't hit the child i was also in school i just saw it. In this recent time i haven't hit any child, dog, anything yet in my driving days as an adult. I want it to stay that way.

Sadly there's far to many drivers out there who think that the world involves around them and if they are trying to get to where they are going to they should be able to do so no matter who gets inconvenienced sorry had to be said

Yep. It also makes driving a much more pleasurable experience when, instead of single-mindedly focussing on how fast you can get to your destination, you do what's best for flow. You can tell a lot about a person and their personality by how they drive!

I learnt to drive when I was 40, so spent a lot of time on buses. I therefore look out for situations like that and plan to let them back in if they indicate.

and as I point out when this comes up, the biggest culture shock for me in the UK, from the US was how much more of a spirit of cooperation UK drivers have than US drivers. in the US, the cammer would ALSO have been crowded alongside the bus and the commentariat would be demanding that the bus must give way to everybody before making his lane change.

Probably assumed the driver in the right lane was turning left so he took the left lane to turn right.😅

Every lane change as a rule is to be done safely. It can be done on a roundabout if there is no other traffic. That would be safe. Being sure there is no traffic requires high quality observations something the average driver fails to do. So probably should never be done by the average driver. As shown clearly in the clip.

Middle Lane on Motorways, and Right at Roundabouts..thats the way everyone knows I drive.

@@pocky1scot1 How do they ever get their driving licence if they cannot do a simple manoeuvre on a roundabout.

The last bit of that is key: When it’s safe to move across. I see a lot of people moving across just because they need to and they’ve got a signal on.

On roundabouts where it may be possible to take the racing line (or path of least resistance) it is still viable and perfectly OK but never do it without been aware of other vehicles and personally I don't do it if I have a car behind. Trouble is a lot of people I see take the racing line with ignorance against any other vehicles around them. Prob best to not to put yourself in a position where you are alongside another vehicle unless you are stationary on roundabouts.

Well i'd imagine their next mode of transport is going to be a hearse if they carry on like that !

I push my wife's wheelchair and hate slope like that. Unless it is a specially built chair, it has no brakes or steering and could be lethal. Having fun can be okay, but that appeared to put more than the wheelchair user at risk. One risk that might not have been appreciated, is that the wheels and bearings are not usually rated for high speed use unless it is an adapted item. I have seen bearings fail when used outside their 'comfort zone', the results can be dramatic.

Should be entered for the Guinness book of wheelchair users

@@steveblick168 seriously 😐 What other choice do they have on that hill ? Grip the wheels or brakes... nope Use the uneven pavement and risk digging in front castors at speed and being thrown into road. ?.... 🙄

was thinking his brake shoes might have been warming up a bit on the long curve. I'm guessing he's been in a chair for quite a while to be able to steer that smoothly at that speed. as for trusting the truck - is it normal for UK truck drivers to be unable to hold a lane?

Or dont sit in a cars blind spot?

@@jordanfadestoblack No such thing as a blind spot. Just drivers who don't do a shoulder check before changing lanes.

I think the point is both could have easily remedied the situation. It wasn’t any harder for either car to prevent the collision.

I 100% agree how this this the cammers fault, I think Ash is being very harsh there.

Agreed, I don’t see how there can be equal blame here whatsoever.

Because they could have avoided the incident altogether by just holding back.

It's interesting to see the two different mindsets in this thread. Which one makes you a better driver?

I was waiting for them to reverse back, give up, drive forward and collect another fine 😁

In the us, if you can get stopped without your back bumper crossing the line they figure you get forgiveness for effort. But more seriously, if the alternatives are continuing through, or staying in the intersection, I'd rather they carefully reversed.

From my days of being a hooligan, I'd say they've just come off a really good piece of road and were chatting about how good it was and how many close shaves they'd had. Are there no Little Chef car parks around there? Realistically, I'd say at least one of them is likely to end up in hospital - or worse - in fairly short order.

Probably members of the motorcycle organ donors club.

So you watched a video about braking but cannot spell braking? Also it is tear, not tare.

@Nick B did that comment make you feel better? This is a driving education channel, not an English spelling channel.

@@ashley_neal Thank you 🥰😘🤗 We can leave it now, no hard feelings. I am not going to call the police for my hurty feelings 😆😅🤣😂

I hope your edit was for a spelling change. 😂

@@ashley_neal Oh Noooo, did I make another mistake ? 🤦‍♂ I am so far better with numbers Ashley 😅 I managed to learn 1's and 0's. Did me good for 35 years. Retired now so........ Not much bothers me anymore except AUDI drivers, BMW's and Mercedes. Oh and the occasional white van 😂🥰

If you can check it, it isn't a blindspot.

@@Kris_M not very bright are ya petal.

Or busy slow moving traffic.

This. My biggest bugbear is a roundabout with two lanes leading onto it, but only one lane leaving, there's one near where I live and at least once a week someone will pull up in the right hand lane, accelerate onto the roundabout at the same time as me and try to pass me and exit ahead. I usually just let them go if its safe to do so, not worth the hassle.

Clip 15 trying to overtake the white car that was indicating right, while yourself taking next exit. Unbelievable.

And then there are some cars with tiny tiny indicators you can't see. Such as the Qashqai

@@andyo1737 The whole front of door mirrors should be an indicator.

@@andyo1737 Oh really? I've never seen them being used so I'd just thought that indicators were an optional extra on the "cashcow", just like they are on the more expensive BMWs. 😀

Absolutely agree. Have never understood why having indicators on the inside of headlamps is allowed.

Mind you your not supposed to accelerate whilst being overtaken or undertake and certainly not wise being in someone's blind spot

Yes, but if you saw the vehicle changing lanes and had the opportunity to brake, would you have done so and avoided the accident, or continued at your current speed and ended up colliding ? This collision was avoidable.

@@marklittler784 That's not in blind spot if he had turned his head. Passenger side wide mirror would clearly show the cammer. That roundabout is part of a multi lane road and quite legal to pass on either side. You enter from the right then you exit from the right. You change lanes if and only if it's safe to do so.

@@stefenney3126 Its not always possible to avoid it in time. Changing lanes while exiting a roundabout is done more rapidly than on the straight. It was more like a swerve into the path of the cammer. Ashley is putting an equal fault on both which it totally wrony.

@@shawnrahoon6789 Not if the Cammer is accelerating whilst being overtaken it's obvious the red car didn't expect anyone to be alongside them, this cam is not 360° I reckon the Cammer thought I'm not being overtaken by this little car I'll accelerate.

Highway maintenance trucks are worse!

No, worst by far are food delivery people on mopeds and small motorbikes.

@@cycloactive5858 But 100% less likely to be dead. That's the whole point of defensive driving/cycling and anticipation.

@@cycloactive5858 And good driving is based on giving others the ability to make mistakes without killing you (or themselves or anyone else). I commute 16 miles daily by bike to Manchester Cty Centre and back - I'm entiitled to filter down the side of traffic in my segregated cycle lane before a junction and assume that they are not turning unlesss they are indicating. However there are about 30 such junctions going down the Oxford Road corridor. And I check that the car driver has seen me every time before I move to where he could left hook me. I've also seen with my own eyes on several occasions what happens to people who don't.

@@cycloactive5858 If you regularly cycle on roads where drivers are intentionally trying to drive their 1500kg vehicles into you, I'd suggest you should find an offroad route!

I'm always afraid to make it into one of these driving fail compilations, i try my best to drive decent but looking at the red misted cammers on some of these anything is possible.

Riding like that should be a permanent ban imo if you want to do that book a track day

not to mention the fright it gives drivers when they blast passed like that its happend to me more than a few times, they should ride on tracks like that not public roads.

@@danglingdave1787 I'd say if your getting scared by the sound of a bike getting past you then you need better situational awareness

@@aa-kv2pq it doesn't necessarily scare me but it does cause you to jump when they blow past like that its just unnecessary, also nothing wrong with my situational awareness thank you very much I've been driving over 20 years and never had a scratch plus how the hell are you supposed to know about it when their doing 160mph plus up behind you like this?

@@danglingdave1787 no offense intended I misread the fright it gives drivers as meaning yourself, and I guess you are right to a degree but also bikes can sound like that at legal speeds, I doubt they were doing 160 on the back wheel

Highway code 188 Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. Beware of others doing this.

......and to say the cammer is just as much to blame. Like saying changing lanes without due care and attention and colliding into another vehicle is only half as bad as we thought. Well put the other half on the victim.

There are two parties involved in collisions like this. One who drives without due care and attention while changing lanes and one who should have quite easily avoided this becoming a collision but were either too incompetent or (worse) don't care to avoid it. Both carry some responsibility here. Drivers who don't care to avoid collisions as long as they can find someone else to blame are indeed dangerous road users. They'll quite happily get into situations that could injure or kill people and feel no remorse at all, so convinced they are in their self righteousness.

@@jakerockznoodlesFrom what you can see here you cannot say that the cammer could have avoided this collision. Every time a car passes you on left or right you should not have to slow down or in this case hard break, no matter what road you are on unless it's into oncoming traffic. All drivers are masters in theory.

@@MrJohnny3shoes You are right, you shouldn't have to slow down. Although if you deliberately aim towards a possible collision to claim "right of way" for insurance money and "lesson teaching" then realise the collision involved a baby in the other car that got hurt. Would you kick yourself knowing you could have avoided it within your power. I know i would, the cammer had time to slow down. I would have anticipated the red cars intentions whilst we was on the roundabout neck and neck or better yet i would have dropped back so we were staggered. Not speed up.

@@MrJohnny3shoes I know what i said above is easier said than done in a quick senario but anticipation and safe reacting is key. No dig to you but the cammer should have done better.

Could the viewer have done a save by braking instead of using the horn? The viewer could also have aimed to drive with a space to their right instead of staying next to the red car.

I'm assuming what Ash meant was that the cammer could have done more to stop it happening, for example they saw the hazard coming, and they chose to lay on the horn before braking. Yes, the red car was more at fault, absolutely, though.

Correct the red car was totally at fault, no way the cammer car could have avoided that

Have to agree with you. The red car wasn't indicating or showing any intention of moving left. The camer braked and blasted at the same time as soon as red car cut over.

Definately not a 50/50. Red car 100% at fault for *causing* the accident. Cammer probably expected red car to continue in the right lane, which is allowed according to the road markings. Red car gets too close, so cammer uses the horn in the correct way. Red car will 100% have known that the cammer was on the left, so to veer into the left lane was going to be a certain collision. They probably wanted to make the cammer brake. Cammer should have done more to avoid it. They could have slowed, especially when there seems to be some tension building between both drivers. But cammer is not at fault for causing the accident.

Something I didn't know until recently is that the Highway Code states that you should "avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts" and "beware of others doing this" (rule 188). I agree that the cammer should have been more cautious.

Lack of awareness, cammer probably didn't notice and because the position of the car indicated they would need to exit there the cammer assumed they would.

some people are fixated on overtaking as many people as possible on every journey.

The wheelchair user was awesome, if not entirely wise.

Never seen a wheelchair with spoke reflectors yet.

Got invited to a visitor day at a summer camp for disabled kids and they were drag racing their wheelchairs. Took it as evidence that anyone can have fun with what they've got to work with.

Guy wants to complete the set, maybe have no arms next! If he survives.

My thought as well, little fast? Maybe, but cant see any speed signs. Cammer stopped well within 2 seconds. could have ended very differently if its was a bus / HGV

Yeah I don't get it either the emerging car didn't do a proper observation check.

I've just asked the same thing. baffled at Ashley's conclusion on this one. I can only guess it's because the driver didn't anticipate the car was going to pull out in front of him, which is kind of flawed logic because otherwise why not slam on for every car waiting at a T junction. Reaction time seemed ok, road surface was wet so maybe couldn't hear the ABS chunnering early on. Absolutely baffled tbh.

About 10% of what Ashley says baffles me, lol I think we are supposed to be next level psychic, or have 8 eyes all around our head just like he does.

@@YellowFTO Meteorite falls from space and hits cammers car. Ashley "you should pay more attention and anticipate all eventualities" 🤣

I don't think that's the right approach. Sure, if you think you're the best driver ever and want to send it in with a comment "look what an amazing driver I am and how the others wronged me" then you might want to do that checking. If however you realise that everyone can always learn (a hallmark of the best, they know there's always something you can learn) and send your footage with that intention, "can you take a look and tell me what I could have done better?", then you've got nothing to worry about.

Can't you accept healthy, constructive criticism? Sounds a very snowflakery mentality

The bus lanes don't operate on Saturdays and Sundays so it might be the weekend.

@@raithrover1976 Checked the dates against both possible's, both are weekdays.

@@DasArab One possibilty... Dashcams generally get the time from GPS if they have the feature, or it may be set manually. Many, of either type, do not automatically adjust for BST/GMT. Since the date on the footage says December (or mid March if in US format), it's possible that the time in the dashcam was set before the clocks went back in October. That would make the time recorded appear one hour later than it actually was. But it's probably just me over analysing the possibilities - it's what I do sometimes.

@@GodmanchesterGoblin Hence why I said "So if the date and time is correct". But yes id go with your latter thought on the matter too, lol.

Your dog isn't supposed to walk without a leach so why would you practice it?

@@scottgrafton68 That does not apply everywhere. Where I live, dogs are allowed to walk without a leash. I was training her because I had some confidence in her walking freely without a leash. We had a trust bond together and looked out for each other. I took care of her, she took care of me.

I agree. The road user never had much time to react.

I would say so, it wasn't on a leash and ran out into the middle of the road.

Rule 56 of the Highway Code says: "Dogs. Do not let a dog out on the road on its own. Keep it on a short lead when walking on the pavement, road or path shared with cyclists or horse riders."

@@williamtodd6549 Maybe Ash would say he’s going too fast, as if the dog was a child we’d probably blame the driver.

@@xXDamolaXx well, maybe partially. Interestingly the rule in the Highway Code regarding children and parents is very similar to the one for dogs: Rule 4: Young children should not be out alone on the pavement or road (see Rule 7). When taking children out, keep between them and the traffic and hold their hands firmly. Strap very young children into push-chairs or use reins. So drivers need to keep their speed sensible and in particular pay attention to children, but I don't think it's as simple as saying "we'd blame the driver" when the parents should have been present and/or supervising their children. It's at the least a shared responsibility (or blame, if it all goes terribly wrong)

Mind you bin lorries are the worst for having people popping out especially the bin men you'd be wise to be cautious Zig Zag or no Zig Zag.

@@marklittler784 I am absolutely with you on that one. There's no excuse for anybody proceeding at anything more than a crawl when there are bin men around, but this issue is a different one.

I could give you a specific time, day of week and location near me, and you'll find the same bin lorry every time doing exactly that. I really should complain to the council. The bin lorry's CCTV will provide its own damning evidence.