Driving Fail Viewers Edition #5 

Ashley Neal thank you for the tips I really enjoy them

From my perspective, as a Dutchman: The roundabouts in these clips are the pinnacle of poor design. Take the chunnel, drive a bit north and marvel at one of the best road systems in the world :) Almost all roundabouts are single lane, which prevents 90% or more of all the fails i've seen in these video's. In the clip you blame the drivers, i however blame the designers of the road. They've done a poor job and made roundabouts in the UK a rather messy business. In other clips you mention 'blind spot blind spot blind spot' when someone is merging in almost a straight line. On a roundabout with double lanes, it's even worse and you'll need to anticipate alot more and there's far too little room to correct mistakes of yourself and that of others due to this. Hope your government will abandon this type of roundabout. cheers

I think your expectations of reaction times in clips 8 and 9 are unrealistic. We know that reaction times are often between 1-1.5 seconds so the reaction time of the cammers are likely within one standard deviation of the mean.

Clip #8, driving a Bmw 330i , according to reg in dash cam :-)

Can't say I've ever seen one of those little things at the end there in person myself either. However as to your question about what they are, they do resemble prototype autonomous delivery drones I've seen demos of. I could be wrong on that though as the ones I saw demonstrated look a little different and to my knowledge have yet to be tested in the wild. Although it definitely looks like it could be a competing product as they look very similar to me and I know other companies are working on the concept. But yeah that lock box on robotic wheels screams autonomous delivery drone to me. As for your other question about hazard awareness from someone familiar with the state of this sort of technology I'd be very cautious if I found myself in a test area for such devices. They rely on the same tech as self driving cars and thus the software is in a similar state of reliability but I'd feel more concerned sharing the roads with these at this point. While I suspect they are probably still subject to similar rules requiring a human operator to supervise them at all times I neither know that for sure nor would trust it as well either honestly. Given the current state of the software for controlling autonomous ground vehicles and the training these AI's have had up to this point I'd say expect the unexpected. This is especially true where there may be somewhat uncommon road layouts or road user behaviour present as a factor. Honestly just don't feel all that comfortable relying on a remote human supervisor to react in time if something goes wrong with these. Frankly a remote operator has less reason to keep their mind on task and avoid distractions than a safety driver in a full sized autonomous vehicle that is motivated by self preservation thanks to being physically present. Considering even that seems to often prove far from adequate and lacking the ability to see and make eye contact with the operator to be sure I'd err on treating these as unsupervised experimental software prone to doing inexplicable things without warning personally. Granted humans are similarly prone to doing inexplicable things without warning but at least we have decades of experience to help us narrow down common errors and look for them to help mitigate that risk. Eventually autonomous road users absolutely will match and soon outperform human road users in terms of safety but they are not there yet so safer to treat them as you would the worst of unpredictable human drivers for now. Always better to err on the side of being overly cautious than potentially reckless to my mind especially with relatively poorly understood unknowns at play.

@Tinky Winky He probably does half a job but wants full payment judging by his driving lol

Has an interesting address which sums this character up if you look the business up on Yell.com

The guy shouldnt have attempted the overtake either. Two giant egos clashing.

@@tomblewomble3369 Why not? Clear, unbroken line (I think - I wasn't paying that much attention), van was crawling. I'd have gone for it too.

@@tin2001 He should have slowed down and waited to see what the van was doing first after he pulled out on him. If a driver acts like that im keeping my distance until i have a sense of what they are doing.

Stacy Keach certainly gets about.

I doubt he was hidden. My bet is those 2 vehicles cutting the corner drive that road 2 or more times every day, and normally nothing is coming so they cut the corner... This time there was something coming, but habit had already taken over and wouldn't let go of the wheel.

@@tin2001 This was my clip. I encounter traffic coming the other way 50% of the time. Never have issues 99% of the time!

@@Seansmit23 it's good to hear that most people you come across can still drive country roads properly. It's a shame the ones who can't stick out more and that their behaviour can cause so much damage. That was a good reaction you had to something that could have landed you in hospital

@@Seansmit23 I will defer to your experience of the actual bend, but I would suggest you come in wide on that bend - you'd be able to see further around it, oncoming traffic would be able to see you sooner, and you'd still have plenty of time to tuck-in if there was oncoming traffic. You 'appeared' to be riding in the "cyclists" bit of the road but cyclists are typically going more slowly, giving everyone more time to react to late-seen objects.

Agreed, the Toyota simply had no awareness that the bike was even there, they actually closed down how much of a gap on their right hand side that they had going unbelievably close to the bike. Too many car drivers simply don’t look for bikes, that’s why we have loud exhausts, they’re not just for pleasure, also safety as many people will hear us before they see us

Must be a wind up

Imagine sending it thinking someone else did something wrong when it was yourself🤣

Probs sent it in as his own mistake, let’s hope he learnt from it

Me: "Oh he's going to overtake one... oh wait two, that corner is getting a bit close but... WAIT WHAT"

Would have been good to go behind the Zafira, but not enough vision to pass it.

Or he pulled onto the grass and turned it around xD more than enough space to the left to get his car on and back without going back on road.

I would be massively surprised if some scumbag hasn't interfered with one, or tried stealing it or the food, nobody is allowed to have anything without a lazy low life trying to cheat their way through, instead of working/saving for their own, or a group of idiot youths thinking they have nothing better to do but wreck others lives.

​@@will4may175 Yeah, few people have. It doesn't happen often though as I don't think the hassle of breaking in and trying to steal the food is worth it. It's really hard to get into, it's got an insanely loud alarm when messed with and also GPS that tracks it's movement by the inch.

@@ProzYYnc Hard to get in, sounded like you have experience lol, only joking 😁

@@will4may175 I would have and I'm a bit of a pansy when it comes to breaking laws. I wouldn't steal the contents, but I'd definitely have a look at the locking mechanism and such. Also, putting a few bricks in front and behind might be funny. Like teasing a Roomba by standing in front of it 😂

What are the rules for these if they are waiting at a zebra crossing?

My driving has gone to *** past few years. I can tell my observation is not as sharp as it once was. But I do drive carefully.

They're everywhere in Milton Keynes. I'm told they're being operated by the Co-op. I could probably find some footage of them all driving in a line heading back to base at night time.

abit late but you see them in milton keynes and jack g is right there operated by starship deliverys

Yea, I thought the same about clip 8 (3:40). Seems to me like he reacted as well as could be expected when someone pulls out in front of you with no warning.

I agree. I'm a big fan of this channel, and more often than not I agree with Ashley's comments, but I do think he was particularly harsh on both of the clips you mentioned. The cammer at 2:38 could have reacted slightly quicker in an ideal world, but I don't think it's fair to accuse him of speeding into the situation. Going by the dashcam, his speed rose by 3mph as he approached the exit; but accounting for the dashcam lagging, and the fact that most drivers naturally speed up a little when exiting a roundabout, I don't think he was being dangerous at all. As for the second clip, the cammer kept a consistent speed, as evidenced by his dashcam, and reacted as soon as he saw what was happening. I also don't know what he could've done differently. I'm not quite sure what Ashley expects. We can't all drive around at a snail's pace just in case someone decides to emerge at an inappropriate time. It's about being aware of your surroundings and being prepared to deal with situations that may occur - and tbh, I can't see how you could argue that these drivers weren't.

If I ever find myself behind someone trying to prevent merging in turn when one lane ends I will drive next to them preventing them to merge and see if they like it. Doesn't help but gives them a taste of their own medicine.

I agree... There are a couple near me ,and one in particular is non stop. You have to make your move or you will never get onto it, but then the other traffic are knowing this and so we all know how rotten and horrible that roundabouts, and so its an accepted thing thaty a car will hammer it out in front of you. The ONLY times that there has ben a knock on that roundabout is when people have dithered and they have been hit from behind by someone who did not see you slam on when you are half way out. Yoeither need to go, or not go, but fannying about causes crashes sometimes.

@@Asfixiator7 What's wrong with forming 2 queues? Then behind the road space is used well and the flow can speed up, as cars know who's turn it is. Drivers dislike people passing at high speed who don't filter in till the last second playing chicken causing traffic to stop.

@@RobBCactive Literally nothing and that is how it should be. I was moaning about people who try to prevent others from using the lane that will be ending to prevent traffic building up. You drive up to the cones, then merge.

Isn’t Starship something Elon Musk bought? Or am I getting that confused for something else he bought?

Thank you for the info, I was wondering what they were

Init our taxes go towards these roads may aswell use all of em

@K The morons who merge early and get angry at the people overtaking in the free lane are the ones who made that space in the first place. It's funny.

@@SurgeDashcam Yup. Tarmac's expensive, don't waste it.

The safe place to merge is at the end where you're supposed to do it.

Lane reductions (temporary or otherwise) are a bit of "chicken or egg." Some people in the continuing lane close the gap and bully the people using all the road space. So those people queue up early, causing longer tailbacks than needed. Some of those early to queue then go on to be the "well if I have to queue, then so do you" lane straddlers. And the cycle repeats 😢

Simon Barlow lane hogging is bad but not as bad such a maneuver

Asto , I totally agree..

Not quite busier than ever. It is the only place I can think of which used to be worse in the 1980s because it was part of the A12.

they'd get mugged round here!

@@VictorKibalchich they're made securely. They won't open until arriving to the destination

@@StacieStreams I doubt it!

@@VictorKibalchich i've seen chavs trying to open one in Milton Keynes 😅 they couldn't

Those delivery robots are all over Milton Keynes & were introduced a couple of years ago. The video was shot in Bletchley.

I can see your point, but do they make you question yourself after a potential incident? I do. Sometimes I feel I couldn't have done anything differently, other times I feel I made an error & other times I feel I didn't really do anything wrong, but I could have done more to make the situation safer.

How long have you been riding? :)

You can't see what's to the left of the car - could have just overtaken a vehicle or been alongside one which took the slip lane - maybe the driver has good local knowledge and knows there will be many cars joining the motorway at the same junction and is avoiding pulling in, just to pull back out in 100 yards to let cars out. Surely if there's one thing to learn from these great educational videos, it's to anticipate other factors *which you may not see*, that influence the driving of those around you...

To add to that, changing road position at that point would have been a poor choice as many drivers would be focussed on the behaviour of the red car, not looking to see other road users changing lanes.

Yeah, maybe indicators come as standard in Spain

so many pedestrians need to go back to school.

I don't think Darth Vader is up to it anymore :P

FrederikVds I agree, reacting to suspected events is much faster than reacting to unsuspecting, as one idiot pulling out randomly. However, the blue car had bad vision as well due to the parked car. The only mistake blue does is not looking while doing the turn, but stuff like this happens regularly if vision is bad.

fart boxes on balloons. do not expect the driver to awake whilst in the second lounge. Driver of Alfa Romeo and a Kawasaki zx9R. Training. pre conceive everything. 28 years. still alive. Biker should have stopped before the bend and waited. those lanes ! stay away. use main arteries.

Thanks for sending them in Callum. Please don't take any offence by my analysis, as it's there for other people to learn from. Great save in the wet conditions by the way! Keep safe, Ashley.

Ashley Neal no offence taken mate its nice to see what other people think😁 cheers Ashley

Yeah. I thought they'd pulled up to stop, not wait for the bus. If they'd gone up a bit closer or stayed more to the right, it would have been more obvious.

I have had the same thing happen to me , I drive a big van and would have taken the same position as the silver car did to give the bus maximum space. The knob heads who then pass me prove they can't see passed the end of their bonnet . No planning or conception of other road users

The Insignia may not have been able to fully see his position to the kerb because of sunlight/dazzling. This is my clip, and I can tell you that the sun was actually brighter than it appears. My dashcam's exposure compensation darkened the picture a bit. I knew the silver Insignia was going to stop, as I'm sure I'd seen both buses (the one illegally parked on double yellows as well as the big First Manchester Volvo B7RLE going for the overtake) before the Insignia and the Corsa, that's how far ahead I plan. I'd started planning for oncoming traffic as soon as I saw the bus parked on double yellows as I came round the corner past the crossing. Disregard my GPS speed, it's laggy as hell. It's a RoadAngel lol. I do this route possibly hundreds of times a year, there's always cars parked on both sides, it's like running the gauntlet, there's a Thomas Harwood depot just up the road and their HGV drivers like to throw their size around hence why I'm always ready. The sun may have been a factor, but Mr/Mrs Corsa should have planned ahead, like me.

But importantly, the redways cross main roads by bridge or underpass, which makes it possible for drones to navigate them safely.

I think it is pretty harsh on the driver too. The time between seeing the car start to move off and the braking is a fraction of a second. As the driver approaches the car is stopped at the junction, so the driver maintains speed. The car probably vanishes into the blind spot too at about the time they start to pull out, which may also be the reason for a marginal delay in reaction.

It wasn't "slowing down to avoid a possibility" that was the issue imo, which you shouldn't being doing anyway (hazard perception is about anticipating a need to slow down, not slowing down TO anticipate, after all). The issue was that he didn't react in a timely way when it went from a "possible hazard" to a real and present one. Cammer hadn't stuck on his brakes until the other car was right in front of his nose. What I think may be unfair is the assessment of the cammer's attitude. I'm not even sure our cammer noticed them until they pulled out.

I've seen this a lot as a learner driver too, people pull out on you because you're in a learner car and they assume you're just gonna go slow. When I was gathering confidence and driving a bit quicker it would still happen, meaning i had to slow down to accommodate them (ironically would be a fail for them if they were on their driving test).

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@@playercryptar Ridiculous idea 🤣😂

@@mick6263 They seem to work well in Milton Keynes, but the town does seem suited for them because the pathways are wide & all grade separated from the main roads. I am not so sure they would work in many other places though.

Didn't you know, the left lane is for lorries only. Middle is the default lane for cars.

Von Splatterblast and the right lane is for people wanting to fly down the motorway at 900mph 😃

@@TobyBanci Good point, the right most lane is for BMWs to test their full beam flashing technique while 50cm away from the car in front.

Just a typical lane hogger who thinks they're doing nothing wrong.

Reg Memer true 😂

Good to hear of someone "getting it" and changing their approach to merging. I think most of the people who don't get it have not heard / understood the benefits of using all the available road space when queuing. Regarding your last point (the bit that still pisses you off), I say:- If it's their turn, they're coming over, if it isn't their turn they're not coming over, no need to indicate or wait. I try to just do what should be expected (take my turn). I try to do so with the right balance of assertiveness to show clear intention, and caution enough to deal with someone else doing the unexpected. I find that once both lanes have a reasonable length queue in them, most of the problems disappear and people generally start taking their turn at the front. Then everything is fine until some goon decides to block lane 2 further back (like the driver in the clip above) and the whole thing has to reset with drivers having to fill the empty lane again, rekindling the resentment felt by the "early mergers" lined up in lane 1.

@Richard Barnes 👏🏻 Thanks for all your input and support of the channel. Respect, Ashley.

LOL. Do they float?

@@cactusbase3088 www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-53678376 didn't sink at least!

That was near the Co-Op in Water Eaton, Bletchley.

depends on how old you are, most SUVs that late 40's to mid 50's people often drive are mostly auto, but if you're 17 you're going to be driving a manual corsa, and if you're lucky it won't need jump starting every time.

Had same thing happen to me on M6 white van with Toon plumbing on the back he’s based in London him and his equally idiotic mate Iin black Audi A3 cutting people up and brake checking cars pair of absolute morons

I agree. They are well suited to MKs network of redways.

I know the Gee-Wiz cars (REVAi) were crap, but cut them some slack! 😂😂

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@@playercryptar omg thats so sick 😁