Driving my ELECTRIC CAR from North to South WALES at 20mph against a DIESEL CAR are EV's The Future? 

If 20 mph lowers fuel economy that must be worse for the environment.

For EV charging to be practical we need in the UK -; 600,000km of new cables , 6 new power stations , thousands of new substations , thousands of new pylons. It's a pipedream, will never happen , another thing is there is not enough copper ,lithium etc in the world to convert us all to EV's

Every time I watch you pull over and use a public charger, I find me saying to myself, more and more, that I genuinely cannot believe people have signed up to this farcical concept of EV’s. It truly blows my mind. The anxiety of all chargers being in use and having to wait ages, the time it takes to charge vs fill up with fuel, the outrageous cost of electricity, the anxiety of the chargers not working or the car system refusing to take charge, the slow clunkiness of starting the charging process, the list just goes on…. How did people fall for this….?!? 🤯

Thumbs down to the cashless shop. Do they not realise a cashless society means entrapment?

Shares in black spray paint are looking great just now.

Motor industry: we now have the technology to produce cars more powerful and faster than ever before... Bureaucrats: Right! Let's slow the fkers down to 20 mph!

I live in Wales and the 20 mph speed limit is an absolute joke, trying not to swear writing this! Over 466k have signed a petition to rescind this nonsense which WG have totally ignored.

Like you both but that Diesel shouldn't have been driven in that state

I just saw you paid 48 pounds that’s 92 dollars in Australia I put $50 a fortnight in my 60 year old car my god that would break me. Can you imagine telling your 10 year old self that in the future when you were 40-50 that this would be the future shit life was better when we were 10 back in the 80’s and 90’s. We have actually gone backwards cause life was way better back then.

If you join up the dots you will see the agenda

In the future, history will tell us that EV’s were the automotive equivalent of Betamax. True 👍 or false :Comment:?

I did a 200 mile round trip to and from Nottingham this afternoon in a 1.0 Ecoboost Fiesta in under 3 hours. Foot welded to the floor in between the cameras on the M1 and used less than 30 quid's worth of fuel. Every EV was either on charge at the services or crawling along at 50mph😂

It’s official, they are now going to rename Wales “Snails”

Lee we have a petition with 456,000 names and Drakeford just says NO. We are trying - we need more outside support. Thanks for doing this.

And yes Mark Drakeford has lost his marbles , he must get a kick out of watching you suffer at 20mph lol it is insanity

There's an Ausy ev guy Mguy who has excellent anti EV info.

Sorry Macman Councilors would be in 4x4 range rovers or Jags, the only time they would be on a Bike would be for a photo shoot.

Brilliant, you drove through my little city of St Asaph, and your right the 20 does my head in. Feel your pain lee, great vlog as normal 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

I watched Geoff ‘s video now watching yours. It is cool to get both points of view. I really enjoy these collaborations.

You keep saying 20mph "again" so clearly it isn't 20mph except in villages. It's the same in Scotland in villages and is no big deal.

Buy a banger and register it as mark drakefords and drive it like you stole it through Wales!!

20mph is nuts!! It’s like curb crawling. 😂

Is it faster to go green laning through Wales than use its main roads?

Mandatory 20 mph Includes cyclists!! The idea is to create anger at the stupidity and/or fear of prosecution. Welcome to fascism!

Welsh will have to vote conservative. You will never get me in Wales again while this 20mph is there.

Another long vlog for comparison of your EV to Geoff’s Diesel Merc; and Geoff wins hands down yet again. He enjoyed his deposit he made at Tesco on the way down (I watched his vlog before this one). You should both do the NC500 in Scotland famed for being a picturesque 516-mile drive by classic car enthusiasts also known as Scotland’s Route 66.

Just spent a week in Wales - beautiful country. The 20mph limit is crazy and I found that, when trying to adhere, the locals are ignoring it so traffic is up my rear. A lot of 40mph zones are around too, in areas where National Speed Limit would apply in the rest of the UK. The hatred of cars is palpable

NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE CAPTURED ON GO PRO!! "my foots all wet and i've got stuff on me"

Sorry to hear you had cry babys report you Lee :( obviously unable to hold a grown up debate 🤣

Mac, You and Geoff have stumbled on a great format. Both filming the same thing, but totally different approaches. Great stuff.

Enjoyed the video no doubt some people will tell you did it all wrong . A few videos ago when you have the test in the petrol car did the sales person show any sign of embarrassment when they told you the trade in value of your car as I would hate having to people there vehicle was almost worthless

bandit never observed speed limits blocking for the truck.

This is the problem with devolution, both the Welsh and Scottish governments ( just glorified assemblies really but they don't like being called that) both just try to flex and be different just for the sake of it, they should be scrapped, it's causing nothing but tension and division in the United Kingdom, rant over 😂

I have relatives in Wales and they all hate Mr Dickford. As you and Geoff stated 20mph great near schools or in built up areas for pedestrian safety not in the open countryside.

I fall asleep doing 20mph. So i put my foot down. Most are ignoring it now. Honey moon is over. Not many chargers in Wales. 20 mph was their priority.

what does a person with diahhrea and an electric car owner have in comman ???? they both hope they will make it home hahahahahah

£48....wait until the day they add tax at the same rate as petrol

20 mills an hour is awful and dangerous I experience that you have to keep an eye on the speedometer is horrible.

When i heard they were bringing in 20mph limits i thought they would be like we have in Norway, where the housing estates and residential areas are 30 kph (~20mph), and i support that. But these are not residential roads. Even in Norway these roads would be 50kph (~30mph) or 70kph (~43mph). It really is poor road planning

Usain Bolt was clocked at 27.33mph, does that mean you can get a ticket on foot?😂

A power station like Ratcliffe on Soar generates 900Mw, wind turbines vary in size from 2-7Mw but output varies with wind speed so they only generate about 30% of their max output 70-85% of the time. So if they're 3Mw wind turbines you get 0.9Mw from each so you need 1000 to replace Ratcliffe power station, but only 476 if they're 7Mw. Unfortunately you still need Ratcliffe for when it's not windy.

you see, there is a massive problem! going of to visit somewhere and 'hoping' that the charger there will work, that is totally unacceptable, i would not set off with my family hoping i could get a recharge to get home again, i will never buy an electric car no matter how much the governments push everyone to it!

The estate I live in has 20mph speed limits, this in the NE of England. On the side roads this is sensible, on the main road through the estate, a bus route, it reduces your concentration levels of driving. At 30mph you would never look away from the road in front, only glancing to the side to check parked cars for children etc, now at 20 mph you begin to notice changes further away from the road, distractions such as building work being carried out on a house. Luckily my car has a speed control that works at 20, provided the car in front is not doing 17mph. but my diesel cars fuel economy drops drastically at 20mph. Mine is not a smoky car like Jeff's.

I live in north wales and came across a cyclist the other day on a 20mph road…in the end I just pulled over to let him overtake 😂

The New Power Hub at the NEC in Birmingham has 180 charging points.. its run by BP Pulse UK and its more expensive than Fuel !!

I hope Labour get hurt in the Senedd come the next election. Apparently there is no reasoning with this man. I hope the people in the South do the right thing and get rid. I am amazed he has not banned diesel and petrol cars totally from Wales, best not give him anymore insane ideas.

A great video Lee. I live on the North Wales Coast where you have been and I regularly use the Vale of Clwyd road with all those 20 mph limits. It's absolutely chronic and quite stressful. Some of the roads are very quiet with nobody around and I keep on wondering how many lives I am supposed to be saving. In my opinion Dripford will not change his mind anymore than Sadcant with ULEZ won't, it's dictatorship to stop us moving around. We overwhelmingly petitioned against it and nothing has changed, they won't listen. Just like some people are liking EV's they are liking the 20mph, it's madness. Maybe the welsh people are waiting for this selfish man to be voted out. I live in hope but I expect it to happen in the rest of the UK too.

Whats the connecrion between am EV car driver and someone with the really bad runs?? They both hope they can make it home!!!

Drakeford doesn't drive and instead cycles everywhere, or so it says on the internet. Does he ever get a taxi or get driven anywhere ? It cost over £30,000,000 for the signs and some roads go from 20 to 30 especially at motorway roundabouts with 20 each side, why ? My VAG group car has updated speed limits for Wales perhaps you have to pay Porsche.At least the Welsh speed cameras won't see Geoff's number plate due to the exhaust smoke so he can drive at any speed.

🔥🔥Diesel powah for the win in 2023🔥🔥

Watching this in Bulgaria and loving it. Half way through and I've had more frustration with endless sodding adverts than Lee had with 20 mph zones. That said, at least none of them have woke messages, mixed race characters in 80% of them. No one here would put up with 30 kmh zones. You lot are wayyyy too docile. What's the matter with you all?

20mph zone, might as well bring back the man with the red flag to walk in front of you, as seen in that old Ladybird book Man and His Car...

It isn't just Wales. Cambridgeshire has implemented 20mph as blanket limit across towns and villages everywhere. It's painful.

85p/kwh charge...it's rip-off Britain

20mph is unbelievable....I was going to go to Portmeirion to the Dangerman village next year for a weekend, knocked it on the head now as I reckon it'll take me 2 days to do the 160 miles there

I cannot believe you used that cashless place. Its a pity you are not awake like Geoff.

Going into this video the EV should have this under it's belt, by a country mile, all day long, before we even set off..... Somehow I doubt it⚠️😲🤔 I think it will come down to lack of charge points and the ones that are available will be either not working or very slow charging? Here goes I'll edit my comment after watching......👍😁

What would happen if you had a self driving car that hadn't been updated with the 20mph limits. It could soon rack up some fines and points

The 20mph is carnage, like yours our car gives us the speed’s for the current road. It’s constantly disagreeing with the road signs, causing us to be looking everywhere but the road. In South Wales, heading west on the M4 passes through Port Talbot. At that point the motorway reduces from 3 lanes to 2. In the spring/summer months, every Friday as the holiday traffic builds up the tailbacks are horrendous. As a mobile engineer we avoid anywhere around there because the slightest accident causes mayhem that nobody wants to get stuck in. But, the crazy part is, the motorway cuts through the town of Port Talbot literally in some peoples back gardens, they’re actually looking at the concrete stations holding up the road. They have had a 50mph on that part of the M4 for a while with signs telling drivers it’s for reducing pollution to increase air quality. Approximately 300 yards away from the M4 lies the humongous Tata Steel ( the old British Steel ) plant which spews out pollutants 24/7. The locals have had their cars resprayed at Tata’s cost after whatever is coming out of the chimney stacks has landed on their cars and burnt itself into the paintwork. Port Talbot is known for its polluting the atmosphere, in 2018 it was the most polluted town in the UK, but the politicians ( Stephen Kinnock, son of the famous EU Parliament spongers Neil and Glenys ) ignore that and persecute drivers instead.

LET'S GO!

What i see is that EV's are perfect if you charge 'cheap' at home, either on a favourable tariff exclusive to EV owners, or spend £20k on solar for free electric, and then dont go anywhere. For everyone else they're expensive, inconvenient and stressful. You've got to be pretty dedicated to the cult to love them. As for driving in general, the powers dont want you driving. Pretty sure they want you staying at home eating bugs, working and paying rent and taxes till you die. Then they can tax your next of kin too.

Since you did this Lee - they are talking about letting busses do 30mph in the bus lanes - which are next to the pavements....

Trying to do 20 mph you are constantly looking at your speedo and taking your eyes off the road all the time that’s more dangerous and accident waiting to happen

It makes you wonder how long it will be before you need to have someone with a massive red flag walking in front of each car with a speed limit of about 2 mph 😂

I live by MerthyrTydfil. Emigrated from SE England. Been wonderful for the last twenty years. No regrets after the South East.. So far, not come across many 20 mph rds in around Merthyr yet. Not been effected. Been to Brecon and Abergavenny. Not effected me much so far. Time will tell as i visit other areas. It is a ludicrous decision by the Welsh assembly. Bicycles cannot be fined, just advised, yet many overtaking cars. Engine revs are higher so more pollution. It's a laugh really, should be serious, unfortunately we have Circus Clowns running Wales.

Put £40 of Diesel in my car today, it took less than 1 minute....How the hell is sitting in your car for an hour to charge your car progress.

I hear in wales you have to drive caerphilly?!

The irony is, an illegal electric scooter that kids ride on, can travel faster than a road legal car, that is taxed, MOT'd and insured. The 20mph is a total joke.

if you ever get stuck around the stoke area , you can charge at my house. its £45 an hour and the coffee is £9 with a free biscuit . that will pay for a full tank of fuel for me which will last me 2 months. great vid .

There is a village near Hay on Wye where the 20 mph is where a school that closed about a decade ago and there are a couple of houses while the rest of the houses are in a 40mph zone.

This 20MPH speed limit on country roads is absolutely stupid.The people of Wales should take direct action against the people who put this into place.They have to give some time from any comfortable lives to demonstrate in LARGE numbers outside their parliament ,along the roads and outside the homes of the Counsellors who voted for this.Then they would waken up the establishment into doing something about this.Unless this happens I am afraid the Drakeford lot will have won.

I have recently acquired an EV (Q4 ETRON) and love it for everyday travel and home charging, however I totally agree that long journeys are a pain and the cost of public charging is a complete rip off. we have chosen to have 1 electric and 1 ICE vehicle for the best of both worlds but that alone confirms to me that electric is not the answer for everyone. I think that the VLOGs you and Geoff are doing give a realistic view of the issues and all done in good humour. keep up the good work

Lee, you need to start telling us how many miles per kilowatt you are getting.

Great video Lee you and geff should think about doing the North 500 one go one way and one go the other way and see who gets back to Inverness first could be very interesting

Which is most polluting - Geoff’s Mercedes or an EV fire?

Another great video Lee, glad you didn’t end up in the quicksand. Have a great evening.🤗

You even made taking out the charging lead look difficult. Well done.

Why not pee against a 20MPH sign? They are taking the piss!

Just sedto Geoff,take your cars to the Isle of Man &go around the TT coarse,the speed is unlimited over the mountain stretch and the fish&chips are amazing..plus lovely hotels in Douglas and all over the island..Ozzy

I have an amazing idea. The 20mph should only apply to ev in order to help range. Petrol and diesels will be exempt 😊

I've been inspired! I'm going to buy a new 'fossil fuel' car while it's still easy and (relatively) inexpensive to do so.

Wales as lost all its appeal it use to be a great place just to take a drive some of the best driving roads in the UK Wales wanted some way of charging visitors for this pleasure, it was first going to be tourism tax which fell through so whats the next best way hit the drivers with an absurd speed limit which is very hard to stick to and not even a limit in our highway code

How about you and Geoff going on a road trip to Europe?

Lee and Geoff, come to Romania for a real road trip. As Clarkson, Hammond and May said when they drove the Transfăgărășan highway (up to 2000 metres above sea level) "The best driving road in the WORLD". If Lee drives his Taycan though he'll definitely need a petrol driven generator in the boot! Oh yes, nobody here observes speed limits either (50kph in built up areas and 130kph on motorways and most dual carriageway roads). You have to be unlucky to get done for speeding because oncoming cars flash a warning at least two kilometres before you reach where the police are parked with their radar gun!

Alway great to watch ! I agree .What are the Welsh people going to do ?Just roll over and take it or start protesting outside your parliament .

That duel carriageway with the 50 and speed cameras, I live there and I can tell you it's flipping miserable driving there all the time! Worse than that the side road it 20, with 4 average Speed cameras along it to make sure you behave 😂 it's no fun driving here, and very confusing!

Next challenge? Get Geoff's merc through an MOT!

Donkey and cart would get u there faster 😂😂😂😂😂

What a huge and pointless waste of money that ridiculous speed limit is. Drakeford genuinely needs to be publicly pilloried. I certainly shan’t be visiting Wales and spending my money. We were down for a couple of days earlier this year and with food visits to the wildlife park hotel etc I reckon we spent way over £1000. Well they won’t be getting that again. Then when the tourist industry goes broke what will they do? It’s a sick joke. We have to keep Starmer out of power in England or we will definitely get the same here.

I hate driving these days and when England picks up on this 20 mph lark it will become so stressful it will make owning a car pointless, All I can say is thankfully I intend to take semi retired in 18 months and I won't need a car anymore, but this country no longer has a manufacturing industry we now only have tourism to rely on. This will kill this country in the long-term . And by the way those Cornish pasties look tasty at the café, surprised you didn't get one to take with you.

Another awesome video with you and Geoff 👍👍😆😆

never thought I'd see the day you could get done for speeding on a grey fergy.

The cameras are for safety Wales has no crime didn't u know 😂

Police in Wales were involved in a high speed chase. The driver was clocked doing 27mph in a 20mph zone.

Just a thought, Lee, if you owe on the milk float for the next 4 years and will not get a decent sales price or trade in on it, how about keeping it until you own it outright and then make a contemporary art installation of it out in a windswept paddock somewhere, complete with time lapse film of it deteriorating or bursting into flames? Call it ‘The Car that Tanked the EV Market’ and then sell it at a profit when some rich knob head wants to make an investment in crappy post- modern art pieces. 😂😂😂

I’m sorry to say but the whole UK is getting pathetic really. Government does nothing else but chocking everyone in this country. Just came back from Portugal I can’t stress enough how free I felt myself when driving around free parking almost everywhere no traffic no congestion no ulez no enforcement officer tries to rob you. It may be time to c’mon onwards😀 Another amazing video thank you

i'v heard don't quote me but i'v heard the blade runners wales chapter are forming so let's all shout HELP WALES BLADERUNNER THEY NEED YOU !!! 😂😂😂😂

I calculate EV owners must spend about 40 days per year standing around charging points.

Lee. Is your video longer than Geoff's because you've included the charging time?

The cameras are ANPR cameras. We are all criminals in Wales. Big Brother continually watches us on the back of prevention/detection of crime. It’s quite horrid.