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Clive Burr being replaced. A number of vague reasons have been given. The strain of touring and some subpar performances due to substance abuse on tour. The band was just breaking out to be the mega act it would become. He may have been wally pipped to an extent because of attending a funeral while nico replaced him in an eddie mask for a few dates. I don't think you will ever find a straight forward answer now. Nobody really wanted to speak ill of Clive and that holds true especially after his death. May he RIP.
Finally !!! Clive Burr!!!!!!!!!!! One of the most underappreciated and overlooked hard rock drummers!! He will always be one of my all-time favorite drummers. Nothing against Nicko..but Clive had a feel that is untouchable!!
Clive's legacy Is present to this day in Niko's playing. Even Piece of Mind demos were recreated by Niko at Clive's departure. Also, the sound on Killers and NOTB is more solid, More "metal". Clive, always missed.
@@rickeycooley9139 I'm a massive Nicko fan , however that doesn't mean I have to hate Clive , Number of the beast has some of the very best heavy metal drumming of the 80s , Some folk need to calm down.
@@aboutthemetal8783 I play drums myself and I totally love TNOTB - I've recently come to really appreciate this album. I think it's the best one Clive recorded with IM drumming wise.
Clive Burr passed in 2013, aged 56. He was diagnosed with MS in the 90s and eventually ended up in a wheelchair. The band went into bat for him when they found this out - playing a number of shows and releasing a single to raise money for his trust to ensure he was financially secure during his illness. Ironically, he was fired/outsed/left Maiden and replaced Nicko McBrain in the brand Trust, the very band that Nicko left to join Maiden to replace Burr... crazy.
When Clive auditioned to replace Doug Samson, he didn't know any of the songs, so he just played along with the bass. This lead to Iron Maiden's rhythm section having a very tight sound.
Clive provided the tempo for early maiden. I saw Clive on the Killers tour, he was all over the cymbals like an octopus. Being a learner drummer I was blown away by Clive and Maiden.
Wow! Finally! Great react to the best Metal drummer! The three best Maiden albums are with Clive "hit 'em hard" Burr on drums. Very fast and heavy Please react to "Total Eclipse" and "Run to the Hills"(both videos) from the same concert. Much more drum cam on these two songs Clive sadly gone too soon
Saw that tour live in Ipswich at the goumont theatre on the piece of mind tour, also the whole concert is on RU-vid soundtrack only but at 67yrs old i can now relive that 83 concert anytime this old pensioner wants too😂🤘🤘up the irons.
Thank you! Clive was my preferred Maiden drummer. Nicko is great and more technically proficient but he never swings. IMHO Clive's standout performance is Drifter, the final song on the Killers album. You'll dig it- it has a feel no other Maiden song has.
Fun fact is that Clive Burr came in 3rd place the Modern Drummer Hall of Fame Poll in 1983. Losing out to runner up the great Stuart Copeland and to the winner the late Neil Peart!
Such a great drummer that doesn’t get nearly the appreciation he deserves. Too bad health issues kept him from going on with them 😢 love the intro to gangland and invaders is a fun listen too
How'd I miss this one? Clive is one of my all-time favorite drummers. I seen this tour, and met the band at a record signing. Best time to be a metalhead. And I snailmail ordered a studded gauntlet ala Bruce.🤘🏼 "He thought Oblivion, well it, beckons us all!" Irön Mäidën - Spinäl Täp haha, i see, i see
he was fired for excessive drug use, it affected his playing too much for the rest of the tour. I recommend reading the book Brave the new world about Maiden, it goes through the story of 75-04 Maiden, in the early 2000s iron maiden did a tour for Clive where they collected money for the treatment of his MS disease
Don't think it was drug use. There's a story going round that it was excessive drinking and that he was apparently throwing up into a bucket during gigs. Clive was interviewed about this and totally rubbished it. He said that he had to take leave of absence from the band on the Beast on the Road Tour as his father was dying (or had died), and he obviously had to be with his family. Nicko actually filled in for him. By the time he came back, he said that he felt like they wanted Nicko in the band more than him. Obviously this transpired at the end of the tour. Bruce also mentions in his book that Clive and Steve were butting heads a bit. Steve had asked Clive to play something more quickly and he deliberately played more slowly, just to wind Steve up. Whatever the actual reason was, is still kind conjecture as there have been so many varying stories on it. I'm gutted he went, as I just really prefer the sound of the band with him in it. The sound is so much tighter with loads more energy.
It’s interesting how everyone always talks about the intro to where eagles dare and how it came about, but nothing is ever said about the intro to run to the hills.
Clive and Nicko are quite different…Clive’s playing feels more straightforward and solid in the pocket, while Nicko is busier and a little more all over the place. Those first three albums with Clive are special and they definitely have a different energy. I think the NOTB album is when Maiden truly became Maiden.
I'm about your age, and I got this album - my first metal album - back around 1985. Every note reminds me of the year that would establish my musical tastes forever moving forward...
Adrian Smith felt like shit he said when Clive was booted for drinking too much on tour. He said he was right there on the piss with him after the shows so he felt like a hypocrite at the meeting where they fired Clive. Maiden were a lot tighter live with Burr drumming. Such a good swing feel especially in songs like Transilvania, Drifter, Running Free.
Nice pick up on the cymbal crashes. Not a drummer myself but with Maiden I always find myself sort of forcefully nodding my head with the crashes, which is not something I do with other bands. Never really thought about it being a Maiden thing before now though!
i don't see this as spinal tap though bruce has said in interviews that of course they liked it. but they had the giant eddie hand inflatable where bruce stood on the hand and sang and only the middle finger inflated and gave him or the audience the finger.
This was the last album (Number of the Beast) to feature Clive Burr. Nikko took over for the next album (Piece of mind). Apparently Clive was 'fired' due to the whole life style of things getting the better of him and underperforming in gigs. Steve expects a solid performance out of the band every time on stage, which is evident in how tight they are live, and he runs it pretty much as a business. You don't perform, you have to leave. It's a shame as Clive was apparently a really nice guy and a solid drummer, but Steve wasn't going to let the music suffer, which is fair enough. This is the era of Maiden that I got into first, still love all those early albums which I kind of feel are the golden era for them, but of course with such a lengthy career it's just when you happen to come across their music.
@@michaelbinbc thanks for the extra info, I know it wasn't clear cut and we'll probably never know the full reason. Maybe Steve was just impressed with Nikko and decided he'd be a better fit if Clive was a bit rattled following his dad's death (understandable).
The recording and song reminds me of “Catch The Rainbow” track of the legendary “On Stage” album by Rainbow. That album may also be a great item to react to because of Cozy Powell!
Now I know this will mean nothing to anyone who is not a bass player, but I started on bass at 16 and went to guitar at 17, but I still play both. Steve plays flat wound strings. Just a bit of trivia. I strung my P bass with flat wound strings. I was really surprised how they sounded more maiden for lack of a better term. Give it a try. My other 2 basses are all Ernie Ball except my 3rd one is a 1980''s washburn that has DeAdario BLACK BEAUTIES because thats what Geezer uses. Sorry. Just had to throw that in. Just trivia. No flames please
Absolutely love Clive, and the first two Maiden albums with Paul on vocals worked differently sonically, and I am very happy that they exist. Clive has some exceptional drumming on the Number Of The Beast album, which this track is from, like "The Prisoner" and, of course, "Hallowed Be They Name," and he did write the drum intro to their most well-known song "Run To The Hills." Clive had a fantastic feel and fit the albums he was on, and when Nicko came in, he commanded his role perfectly and did the Clive songs all the justice they deserved while painting his signature style on them live. Clive was let go for the reasons I see people mentioning in the comments, health (he was often hitting the stage hungover) and performance issues (due to those hangovers) which, as some people have mentioned, is a "no go" thing in Maiden with Steve really running a tight ship. He was let go in 1982 after this tour, I belive and replaced not long after that. Sadly Clive was diagnosed with MS in 1994, if I am not mistaken, and passed away in 2013.
My favourite Iron Maiden drummer. Thanks!! Genghis Khan next!!! Here u have a playlist whit the entire concert and in 4k!! ru-vid.com/group/PLPcLt1tl9cx9fetLue91Qw5gRSRgNSzEQ&si=9RF_X_3tOWLMuTbw
When Metallica mention Iron Maiden as one of their early inspirations, I'm pretty sure this is (one of) the song(s) they're talking about. Without Children Of The Damned, there would be no Fade To Black.
IMHO Clive composed parts for each song, Nikko after Piece of Mind everything was the same to me. Nikko has said his favorite song is Hallowed Be Thy Name. I got into Maiden because of Nikko, recognized him immediately when the Flight of Icarus video came out and already liked what he did earlier with Pat Travers. Putting it Straight is an excellent album.
I liked Clive. Poor ole Nicko had a stroke earlier this year but he was still outstanding when I seen em. And he was playing some difficult beats like Alexander the Great and Can I play with Madness
Bruce was a force back then, it's good to go back and revisited Maiden when they were young. NOTB album was my first Maiden album I bought about the time Piece of Mind and Powerslave came out, I picked NOTB due to the album cover over the other two, I was just a kid. NOTB is sentimental to me as it was my first, Piece of MInd is my favorite Maiden album, my second Maiden album i ever bought, which after hearing NOTB, the next day I went and got POM. So I had these two epic Maiden albums together and I probably listened to them both non stop for months maybe even years can't remember. Clive was great as well. If he didn't have a drinking problem who knows if we would have gotten Nicko in Maiden things happen for a reason but because of that we got two amazing drummers.. I've heard Clive and Nicko being compared to Bonham and Peart. Just two completely different styles, Nicko more "dexterity and techniques." Clive was more punk, hard hitting, but was so good at just sitting perfectly in that pocket.
What an absolute beast he was, so sad they ended up splitting apart! Maiden would be totally different. I love his style and his tone, way more than Nicko.. I suggest doing more stuff with Clive, it would be awesome to see Genghis Khan, Clive really nails it!
A much better live video with Clive Burr, with a lot of sequences showing him playing his kit, is Remember Tomorrow (Live At The Rainbow 1981). An excellent song too. He was adept at their earlier proggy and punk influences, a fantastic drummer. You’ll also see their first singer, Paul Di'Anno, who fit them well.
Last work of Clive: The number of the Beast. First Nicko: Pieces of mind. Clive left the group because of his illness multiple sclerossi, he died some years after...
Clive was replaced towards the end of 1982. But I'm not sure if Nicko didn't actually play with the band until early in 1983. I seem to recall that Clive being replaced was a bit unfair and the reasons given in official statements weren't entirely true according to Bruce's autobiography. But I can't confirm that.
I was oscillating between disbelief and (mild) amusement after I bought the new album with their new drummer back in '83. Album named Piece of Mind, drummer goes by the name of Nicko McBrain? C'mon guys, you just gotta be kidding me 😁
Clive was replaced after this tour because of health reasons, he left and wasn't forced or fired. Nikko played with them once. Was brought on permanently for their next album Peice of Mind.
That's not what I've read. Clive was definitely let go...in 2011, he said it was due to taking too much time off after his father died, plus he and Steve butted heads.
@keefriff99 didn't know about Steve. I just remembered health. Thinking about it I'm sure your right. Memory banks starting to fail, getting old.. Laugh
Burr was ahead of his time, no one else was playing like this at that time. Maiden's first two albums should be required listening for any aspiring metal drummer. All respect to Nicko, but Clive was better.
Clive was an excellent drummer. He used a lot 16th notes with both hands on his grooves especially on up tempos pushing the band ahead. When Nicko plays Clive’s songs he often uses 8th notes instead and destroys the groove. Listen for example to Another Life from 2005 concerts and mark the difference comparing to original version. On the other side Nicko is more technical and precise. I cannot imagine Seventh son of a seventh son played by Clive.
Something I really appreciate in Clive is how he kept the drum parts close to the studio version when playing live. Not exactly the same, just close enough to hit on all of the important bits that become iconic parts of songs while at the same time adding some flair to it. And, of course, the pocket - I absolutely love Nicko, but he's a lot looser than Clive, especially live.
Shoulda went with Phantom of the Opera from earlier on. According to Bruce Dickinsons autobiography, Clive made the mistake of pissing off Steve Harris more than once - on stage - and was sadly excused after the Beast on the Road tour.
NO JOKE... compare both version of "Hallowed be thy name" with Clive on the same show (1982) and the Nicko one ( i suggest the ABEY ROAD one ) and you gonna have the absolute demonstration of TWO drumming thinking at his maximum. No more search ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-85NbHpeYjS8.html
Clive was an incredible drummer..The things he could do with a single bass drum, Is would double kick a single pedal...his fills were incredible. I am not a drummer but was totally blown away by him. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--UiyAFoE_zM.html (92 drum solo) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pOJqBMtTtSg.html. Prowler drums
I used to imagine that Clive Burr was the secret spawn of Clive Bunker, both outstanding British rock drummers. Burr's career and life were cut short by MS, the bane of drummers. A disease that attacks your body in a wat that takes from a drummer, everything their craft requires. It took Joey from Slipknot too. Bruce has managed to keep his voice in working order, through his illness and age... but there is NOTHING like the young man they called Air Raid Siren. If he hadn't been THAT good, fans would have never accepted him after Paul. The fact that Paul was becoming a huge liability for the band, was not something the fans would have understood without the years to process. In hindsight it all looks that it really couldn't have happened any other way. And that's why you'll often see me end replies with... Fuck MS! 🤘🧙♂🤘 Rich the Ancient Metal Beast aka Drummer With DIscalculia PS Learn your rudiments kids, it'll make you a better drummer and it keeps the history of Rudimental Drumming alive.
Oh, wow, I didn't expect a shout-out to Clive Bunker on a Maiden reaction of all things! I still say that Barrymore Barlow was the best drummer Tull ever had - quite frankly, one of the best rock drummers of all time, period, even Bonzo himself called him "the greatest rock drummer England ever produced" - but Clive Bunker (much like Clive Burr!) is definitely underappreciated.
@cobrasys because back then we didn't have internet to correct us, or keep us informed of such things, I didn't know Clive had left Tull. For years, I thought what I was hearing was him, when it was Barrie. Both great drummer, with massive chops and excellent composition. Hunting Girl or Minstrel in the Gallery? 🤟🧙♂️🤟
@@richpeltier9519 Oh, making me choose between those two is downright _evil_ ... I guess if we're talking drumming, I'd have to go with Minstrel... Hunting Girl is all-around amazing, but Barriemore's part in Minstrel is insane. Since we're talking about the Clives here, Bunker's genius is pretty evident on Dharma for One from Living in the Past. That drum solo is still one of my favourites of all time, across all bands and songs that I love. And yes, I've heard Maiden's cover of Cross Eyed Mary. They're one of the few bands that do justice to Tull when doing covers.
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