I as well know nothing about horse training, except the few things I heard here and there. It seems obvious to me though that we should also discuss what kind of horse training we are talking about. I have no doubts that horse training, like dog training, evolved a lot in the last 50-100 years, but are talking about training a horse for that horse sport where they are in an enclosed area and have to jump those obstacles? Or are we talking about a horse that needs to work in some ranch, potentially be close to scary, loud machines, run after other big animals to catch them, etc? Or a horse that needs to be dependable for example in a city, where there might be cars and other people? Similarly, when we talk about training dogs, are we talking about a dog sport agility competition, or having a dependable dog who's reliably obedient in a public setting with tons of competing motivators around? It isn't the same standard.
@@zsahe21 I would completely agree. I know a lot of people in the horse space and know there is a big difference between ones in “competition” or “leasure things” vs ones for working purposes. I think that absolutely dictates the amount of force that is appropriate just as in dog training
Totally with Michelle. I would tell the client the same sort of thing, I’m not comfortable having a clear & present danger of a dog attack your kid. The e-collar is not the strength of an electric chair, and IF it was, and it was the choice of saving a child or dropping a dog on an electric chair collar, I’d save the child every time. That 9 acre dog park sounds awesome. Congrats on being flexible & creative thinking out of the box and getting awesome results & review.
Most of these people that try to dictate how the training is done wonder why they are having issues in the first place lol. They dont mean it as such but they are literally saying "i know more than the trainer" when they start dictating these things. The park was actually cool all things considered lol.
@@MiracleK9Training dog training begins with a psychological assessment of the owner, are they on board, are they misinformed about tools & procedures & the ppl who use these tools? Can they have an open mind to a different process? Last night I was our local dog park, it’s not the beautiful 9 acres, but the typical basic large backyard type. I go at night when just a couple of regulars go that have nice well behaved dogs, sometimes I do a little training w/distractions last night was just a chat w friends and toss the ball kind of night.
It’s not a change in terminology. It’s a change in behaviour of horse trainers . There is force free .. I agree with balanced training for horses just as dogs . I have done both . Starting in 1991 . 12 years old with a basset in only ‘force’ training . I’m just saying we have realized different horses learn in different ways . I have no intent to break my horses spirit to train them .. that was old school . That is what I meant
@@karaleeallen8523 yes but do you think that “breaking” means exclusively “breaking their spirit” or do you believe that it means gaining compliance ? Let’s use this definition as an example Breaking a horse, also known as horse starting, is the process of training a horse to be ridden or harnessed. It involves getting the horse used to: Wearing tack, such as a bridle and saddle Carrying a rider on its back Following instructions from a rider In the past, the term "breaking a horse" referred to a more brutal process that involved breaking the horse's spirit so it would not resist a rider. This was done using force and fear, which created a dictator relationship between the horse and the-
@@karaleeallen8523 This was done using force and fear, which created a dictator relationship between the horse and the rider. Today, the process is generally kinder to the horse and focuses on building trust and respect. Some say that the term "breaking" should be avoided in favor of "starting" because of the abusive mentality it implied.
You're correct about horse training. It's a balance as well. But the bad behaviors are more serious because they're huge. The big difference is a horses thought process is very different from a dogs. So a larger majority responds better to a longer more nuanced approach. But 100% sometimes you just have to force them over some stupid things. But ultimately, I don't think comparing horses and dogs really works. Maybe when speaking to pressure and release, but they're very different animals.
truthfully i don know much about horses and all of that stuff. The comparison isn't so much a "direct comparison" but a comparison that discuss the philosophies of the human and some of this that I think still applies regardless of different brain structure.
