Dual-Purpose Fat Snare / Floor Tom | Season Three, Episode 31

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After receiving quite a few requests, we decided to tackle the subject of using a deep snare as a hybrid floor tom / fat snare drum. While there are certainly different approaches out there, we decided to go with a method that would best serve both sounds: a snare drum sounding like a 14” tom and a deep, fat snare.
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Signal chain:
Mics - Focusrite Clarett 8Pre USB & OctoPre - MacPro w/Pro Tools 12.8
Recorded at 48kHz / 24bit
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Full kit: Two AKG C314 in Glyn Johns configuration
Snare drum & tom tom close mics: Shure SM57
Bass drum: AKG D112 (at mic port)
Drums: Pearl Masters Maple Custom Extra w/ddrum 7 x 14” NOB
Drumheads-
Snare/Tom: Evans Hydraulic Blue / Snare Side 300
Floor Tom: Evans G2 coated / G1 clear
Bass Drum: Evans UV EQ4 / EQ4 coated w/port
Hosted by: Cody Rahn
Production: Ben O'Brien Smith @ Cadence Independent Media
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@ianmuessig 3 года назад

I'll throw a wild curve ball your way: set up a cocktail style drum (floor tom with inverted pedal or Tama cocktail jam for example) in your floor tom position next to your bass drum. Gives you two different bass drum sounds for your right foot to switch between as well as you can use the inverted pedal for pitch bends on your floor tom.

@SoundsLikeADrum 3 года назад

Now you've got us thinking...

@ianmuessig 3 года назад

@@SoundsLikeADrum Set up a normal bass drum and snare drum then the cocktail jam mini in your mounted tom position and the regular cocktail jam in the floor tom position! Typical 4pc style set up but with 3 different tonal bass drums and pitch bend capabilities on both toms :D

@geoffcowan2384 3 года назад

What about if you set that drum up to the left (or right if you play a mirror kit) of your hihat? might be kind of a stretch, but it would give you a floor tom on the opposite side and double kick or an alternate kick sound... or remote hat as your main hat and sneak the hihat pedal under your snare a little bit... I watched this video and thought it might be more useful for me to have a floor tom on my left that could double as a deep snare. Crazy what comes to you when you open your mind. I mean they are all movable. We can place them anywhere. We are just limited by our imaginations.

@dku001 2 года назад

@@geoffcowan2384 I was just thinking about double bass with two different sounds...

@halfwayj2766 3 года назад

Holy 🐮 that “gated” snare sound 😱🤯😱🤯😱🤯

@craigchammings6580 3 года назад

I love doing this with a 15" snare! It allows for a bit more tension on the drum to keep it from feeling like playing a pillow.

@Chiroman527 3 года назад

Cody, great info for an Old New Drummer. I play for retirement pleasure at 69yo. This is a typical Cody terrific job and sending newness as food for thought. After seeing this, I will return a recently purchased Mapex Piccolo snare 13 x 3.5 , and exchange for a Snom 15 x 7 drum to try this. I don't play gigs, unless with more practice, I can join a Geriatric band at the Knights of Columbus (when this freakin COVID passes ). At 69, stricken with lots of arthritis in many areas of my body, playing drums is one remaining ability left to me, so far anyway. Take it from an old timer,. Drink lots of water. I did not, a big mistake as many of my spinal discs have deteriorated. Happy Holidays All ,. God Bless , be safe. Happy Music !!

@Funkengr00ven 3 года назад

I have a 14x12 marching snare that isn't getting much use at the moment. I'm so going to try this...

@footnotedrummer 3 года назад

I did exactly the same thing. Made a "snom" out of an 80s era, 14x12 Ludwig marching snare. I purchased some floor tom mounts and legs, then added them to the snare. I will say that I'm not sure the gut snares really bring out the right characteristic from this contraption, but that can be easily remedied by cutting/sanding some shallow snare beds and replacing the strainer for a standard snare strainer. Good luck and have fun with it. Mine turned out really cool looking.

@gregoryragonese9904 3 года назад

I used to do this as an extra floor tom on my left next to the hi hat so you can get different patterns without having to cross my arms. I also used my 5 half supraphonic as a timbali on the left side

@carlosdiaz5486 3 года назад

I was able to do this with a 5.5” deep snare with a Remo Black max. It’s stupid low and it sounds amazing

@chrisrowe6835 3 года назад

Loved this video! Really enjoyed that NIN nod for the gated sound ;)

@Consaco95 11 месяцев назад

I just picked up one of those 14x7 Wood Hoop PDP snares to try my hand at this, and it has been SUCH a fun journey for someone who likes to tinker with drums and tunings. I play a bop kit, so I have 14x5 snare, 14x7 “snare”/tom/thing, and a 14x14 floor tom. It’s been a really cool experience to play with 3 drums of the same diameter and dial in different tones based on the depth and where they sit in the kit.

@shrimptunes3463 3 года назад

I play as a one man band, with an inverted 10x14 parade snare operated by my left foot, primarily (actually have a double pedal so I can play snare drum patterns). I just contracted with local drum builder, Bill Allen (Of Sterling Drums) to build a new kit including a 9x14 snare. This new drum will also be used as a floor “snom”. Then all that’s needed will be a 7x12 rack “snom”!

@nicarendse 3 года назад

Larnell Lewis has this, and it's sick

@conorkeenan4836 3 года назад

I recently got a vintage Beverley kit, and then I saw a vintage Beverley marching snare on the cheap and couldn’t resist buying it to add on! I’m using it as a ‘snom’ now and it’s cool (helps that it’s 14x9). One issue I found specific to a marching drum is the top set of snares; even dis-engaged the top head was generating a click from them, perhaps due to the low tuning and movement in the head. Undeterred, I saw an opportunity and covered these snares with cloth... now it’s got instant internal muffling when engaged and helps kill overtones when not engaged! Very enjoyable drum!

@richparr79 2 года назад

That's a great tip, the cloth on the snares, I'm going to try that on my 14x10.

@xaerospace 3 года назад

I like it better with my 10" snare as an upper tom. That fat snare sound turns me off. But I do love that tom sound that comes out. :) Thanks for the demo!

@papafresco821 3 года назад

Yeees I had suggested a video kinda like this...lets goo...u guys the best

@patdeniston3697 3 года назад

Didn't know about the cross talk trick thanks

@richparr79 2 года назад

I just picked up a 14x10 Dixon snare for this very purpose. Came with a nice new coated ambassador, but I'm definitely going to try a hydraulic when that's ready to get replaced. The snare wire tension definitely makes a big difference on that . Thanks for the tips!

@rickyjohnson7759 2 года назад

So I’ve tried a ton of different heads to get this sound following yours and Larnell’s advice, including the Evans Hydraulic. Hydraulic definitely gives the best range of tuning but your Tom sound can definitely suffer imo. For me, ideally, the drum blending well with the other toms when it’s in Tom mode is a top priority for me. In that vein, I have just had great success with the Remo ps4 coated. Just thought I’d share! It was the last one I thought to try and it’s my favorite by far.

@connorspiewak4771 Год назад

Thanks for posting this!! I'm looking to get a vintage Ludwig marching snare set up as a snare floor tom and was looking for a Remo alternative for the batter - looking forward to trying this 😎

@Adiaf8oros Год назад

Exactly! I did this with the Hydraulic and the tom sound is just not there

@chad-tacular Год назад

I do this too! It’s so awesome! I use a 14X8 Tama Big Black Steel snare. Same Evan’s hydraulic head only black in color. It’s so freaking boss to have this double feature of an instrument & what we can do with these instruments. I play a 1 up, 2 down set-up. Absolutely love having 2 floor toms! I really enjoy the look on ppl’s faces when they finally “figure out” what sounds are coming from that 1 instrument. It’s almost as if they found an alien. Which, technically, they kind of did. But it’s just so awesome to have this in my arsenal.

@nplcdrums3746 2 года назад

You guys are so awesome.

@SoundsLikeADrum 2 года назад

Aw, shucks! Thanks for the kind words.

@dadams1947 3 года назад

I have been thinking of this addition since I saw, I think, a Pearl 14" floor tom with snare wires on a NAMM video earlier this year. Well this video hooked me. I have a black Pearl 8 X14" Modern Utility snare drum ordered from Sweetwater with an Evans oil filled head coming as well. I will be adding this to my 1962 Ludwig "Hollywood" kit that I've owned since I was 15 and as some one said below you could put this to the left of your hihat as well. I also have a 1986 Pearl all maple set that this set up would work with.

@Adiaf8oros Год назад

Another great vid. Thank you guys.

@stephenmattes6347 3 года назад

I had snares put on my 12x8 tom on my Oriollo kit. It's a little higher, and probably flatter than the sound you've achieved here, but it's great for that alternate snare sound or imitating the programmed drums in a Prince song for example.

@funkymonks 3 года назад

I've done this but as a rack tom, using Tama Club Jam 12" snare, Evans Hydraulic with kick patch

@georgebirddrums 3 года назад

Drums sounds particularly peak today! 👌

@andyg_drums 3 года назад

Thanks for this. I need to work on my 14x8 DW performance snare. I had an evans snare side 300 but switched to an Evans genera resonant clear on bottom. I found it gave me a fuller floor Tom sound. I use the puresound 30 strand wires on it to compensate snare response with the thicker bottom head. Currently have an Evans UV2 batter but really want to try the hydraulic. I may switch back to the 300 and try tuning it up higher than I had it before once I get the hydraulic.

@leeasbury7273 3 года назад

I got a 16x10 SLP duo birch a few weeks ago. I put it last, kinda a little behind me, after shallow 12 and 14 toms on a Tama Neo Mod kit. Sounds great there. Arrived in good shape and tuning. No cross talk or anything. Snares go low and high without problems, just the general fundamentals of those tensions, maybe even more forgiving and easy to work with. Came with an Emad. Nice drum. I was gonna pick a hydraulic as an option too. You summed up my experience with your observations. Nice "quick & warm" tom sounds. Fat deep usable snare effects. Dig it. Might try hydraulics on the whole set for some cool sounding continuity 👍

@robertcozart6081 3 года назад

You have very good technique

@siphiwengcobo3284 3 года назад

Great content. Definitely finding this helpful.

@JD-xo2wz 2 года назад

I did this on my Sonor aq2 safari kit, using the matching snare as the hybrid, and a piccolo snare as my main. The snare is 13x6.5 and with a hydraulic head and some tuning, it's a totally electronic/sampled kind of sound. The tough part was getting it tuned to a place that was below the 10" tom and above the 13" floor tom. I ended up eventually giving up and tuning the 10 higher than I usually do and bringing up the register of the whole kit to compliment. But this business about swapping the snare side head that you mention has got me all jazzed up to experiment more!

@addi0922 9 месяцев назад

I tried to do this with my safari as well and ended up giving up and am now looking for a 14 x 7 lol. Is your 13 still working for you!?

@chugg00 3 года назад

From what I hear, that snare is set up a lot more wet than Larnell or Sput tends to use theirs. It’s a trick of the ear - the sustain of the drums around it disguise how much dampening is being used.

@DrummerGuidoLozano 3 года назад

Thanks for this man! 🥁🙌

@MartinBellamyMBDrums 3 года назад

Woah, interesting video! I Believe Thomas Lang has this too. A floor tom with snare wires, so not a converted snare. But still. Cool to see this deep dive! This is the content I need!! 🤘

@ManoBey12 3 года назад

Thanks for the video dudes! love the content! I need to get me a phatter snare to try this out

@markallen4127 3 года назад

My kit came with a 14" snare, and I upgraded to a 13", so I put a hydraulic on the 14" and redesignated it as a floor tom. Why did I choose that drum? Cause that's the one I had already ;)

@Pro_Piter 2 года назад

Great!

@iiswythak 3 года назад

I'd love to see an episode experimenting with mismatched toms/drum. I've seen pictures of people doing it but I've never heard it before.

@soulmalia 6 дней назад

My kit has g1s on bottom heads, should I replace the snare's bottom for a g1 or something else?

@CliffGraham 3 года назад

Two tips: pick a snare with a throw off that really moves the snares away from the head so they don’t jangle when playing hard (my 14x8 Mapex MPX doesn’t qualify, tho it’s otherwise perfect for this application) Know that it will probably sound better through a mic than it does to your ear. Like, it’s hard to get an actual floor tom to mic as well as a floor tom as a well tuned 14x8 with a hydraulic does! (Pretty sure Larnell agrees)

@justensen 3 года назад

Any throw offs you'd recommend?

@CliffGraham 3 года назад

@@justensen haven’t found a replacement for that one yet due to mounting hole spacing, but lots of others seem to move farther. Those that swing out instead of sideways generally seem to move snares farther. I should also switch to limp cords instead of stiff bands to see if that helps.

@carlosdiaz5486 3 года назад

@@justensen DW Mag throw off. With that thing, you’ll never have problems with getting accidental snare sound then they’re supposed to be off

@tdrum21 3 года назад

Great info here 👌🏽

@timmydodd1978 3 года назад

I have a Tama SLP 14x8 Big Black Steel snare drum that I feel could work wonders for this. Ever since Anika Nilles switched from Mapex to Tama I think she uses it too. That drum has been on a shelf for quite some time now. I think this could be a good way to take that drum off the shelf...

@chad-tacular Год назад

Do it! I use that same exact snare & BOY!!!!!!!!!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥

@ronmyers2317 3 года назад

My PDP custom Maples that I bought last year came as a 7 piece but I only use 6 because it has a 14in floor tom that I don't use because I always thought a 14 inch floor tom was too small. And I never got used to more than one floor Tom. But this gives me an idea possibly. Could I convert my 14 floor tom 2 a dual role Tom snare? Could I possibly Mount a throw off and butt plate to it? And possibly use it as a left hand snare and floor Tom? The only problem is I would want to match the pitch of the 14 to the 16 floor tom on the other side but I don't think that's possible. I like to play U2 and that is his setup. Matching floor Tom's on the left and right. Suggestions anyone?

@kevinkendall3122 3 года назад

Pretty cool 🥁🤙

@TheZooNinjaS 3 года назад

Ive done this with a 15x8 tama slp steel drum. Works extremely well. But like you send, bottomhead tuning is key. Firsr time i did it live i had my bottomhead tuned way to high. Man it sounded terrible, i hit it for the first time and a little part of me died inside.

@drummerjoey003 3 года назад

I have a late 70’s to early 80’s 15” diameter x 12” depth Ludwig marching snare that I converted into a snom. The tom sound on it sounds great, but I engage the snare wires and it doesn’t sound good. I have the Evans blue hydraulic batter on it and using a two ply remo vintage emperor on the snare side. The remo came on the battered side and thought I would use it to try to get a more fat sound.

@Merlincat007 3 года назад

If you're still not liking it, the problem is probably needing a snare side head. You won't get a normal response out of the snare wires with a thicker reso head

@Nate_Higgins 3 года назад

Useful video. That simulated-gated sound is pretty killer. Are you still using a standard thickness snare side head? I have an 8 x 14 Black Panther that I've been using as a left side snare. I think it would be a great floor tom candidate.

@SoundsLikeADrum 3 года назад

Thanks! Yep- Snare Side 300 (3mil) on the bottom. Give it a shot but do be mindful regarding the use of old snare side heads that have been tuned up higher in the past, as they may not be able to tune low enough.

@MikeMancebo 3 года назад

8:44 😤😤😤 Get it Cody

@dannyboi2148 Год назад

id definitely use one as a rack tom myself

@drummercarson896 3 года назад

This reminds me of Chris Johnson's setup

@benjifigueroa9737 3 года назад

🤯 Thanks! 😎

@martinkent_ 3 года назад

LARNELL LEWIS! SPUT! :D

@frankkalejo8809 3 месяца назад

What about the snare side . Is the head the same

@iainmurphy9101 3 года назад

So when are you going to do the all snare kit?

@SoundsLikeADrum 3 года назад

We actually did it a year ago last week! Ep. 38 of Season Two.

@iainmurphy9101 3 года назад

@@SoundsLikeADrum Nice. I should have known you guys already did haha

@addi0922 9 месяцев назад

Is there a reason you guys opted for a metal drum? Everyone else I’ve seen do this uses dense wood snares like oak or birch, now i’m just extra confused lol.

@SoundsLikeADrum 9 месяцев назад

Don’t overthink the shell material (especially the metal vs. wood thing). There are so many other setup factors that have a greater impact on the sonic capabilities (hoops, heads, lug count, snares, overall tuning).

@justensen 3 года назад

Maybe I missed it but was the snare wire count mentioned? Also, how much of this sound could still be accomplished with a 6.5 snare, like say a Black Beauty or a Pork Pie BoB?

@SoundsLikeADrum 3 года назад

We used a set of 24 strand Custom Pro Brass wires from Puresound. You might not be able to get quite the projection from a shallower shell (though you'll also have a slightly faster transfer of energy) but it's still only a 1/2" difference so I'd say it's certainly worth a try. -Ben

@justensen 3 года назад

@@SoundsLikeADrum Thanks guys!

@footnotedrummer 3 года назад

If you're getting sympathetic buzz from the adjacent drum... you can simply place this drum on the other side of your hi-hat, and leave your floor tom where it was.

@SoundsLikeADrum 3 года назад

Yes, though that certainly changed how you’ll use it (not necessarily on a bad way). It’s been common to see the drum placed in the first floor tom position so we decided to showcase it that way and include a means of troubleshooting issues that may arise. Cheers! -Ben

@footnotedrummer 3 года назад

@@SoundsLikeADrum ... Hi Ben. Thanks for the response. I'm familiar with the placement that Larnell Lewis chooses, and sincerely appreciate your analysis of potential issues that could arise from this. I wasn't trying to correct you. I was merely giving viewers another option that you hadn't covered in the video. Thanks!

@remygaron8311 3 года назад

👏👏👏🥁🥁🥁🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

@queirozdavi 3 года назад

So, what is the diameter of the floor tom?

@SoundsLikeADrum 3 года назад

The large tom (technically hanging rather than floor tom) is 16" in diameter and 13" in depth.

@remygaron8311 3 года назад

Will it work for rock or metal

@SoundsLikeADrum 3 года назад

That’s entirely up to the user!

@BCSchmerker 3 года назад

+soundslikeadrum *YAMAHA® actually executed the hybrid floor snare drum concept in the Stage Custom Birch® range.* The Model SBP0F4H, marketed as the Stage Custom Hip, packs a ø20"x8" kick, ø10"x5" rack tom on a CL940LB arm, and two snare drums: a ø13"x8" legstander (for the floor tom position) and a ø13"x5" (for the center drum position). I've an idea for an optimum kit for Three Crosses, Castro Valley, CA, USA, based on Pearl® hardware with a full set of GOSPEL CHOPS® cymbals: A Reference Pure set around two ø26"x14" kicks (RFP2614BB/C) with EVANS®/D'Addario® BD26EMADHW batters and BD26MS1W resonants; one each ø8"x7", ø10"x9", and ø13"x11" rack toms (RFP0807T/C, RFP1009T/C, RFP1311T/C) and ø16"x14" and ø18"x16" floor toms (RFP1614F/C, RFP1816F/C) with UV2 batters and GR resonants; one ø14"x8" Free-Floating Aluminum center drum (FTAL1480) with B14HW batter and SS14MS3 resonant; and one ø14"x3.5" Free-Floating Stainless Steel side drum (FTSS1435) with B14HD batter and SS14MS3 resonant. I choose the Free-Floating metal-shells, which will pack GROVER® snares (14CX center, 14SX side), for their ability to handle elevated head tension with little complaint.

@thewildbunchASD 3 года назад

Try tuning to notes, its going to take away with setting off drums. Be precize.

@SoundsLikeADrum 3 года назад

This actually has less to do with precision tuning. Tuning to specific notes doesn’t lower the likelihood of sympathetic vibration. That’s entirely due to the proximity and relationship of frequencies, which is independent of whether a drumhead is tuned to an exact note.