Dual XEON CPU Build vs. Intel i9 and Ryzen 9, It's Faster! 

Thank you! I'll add a few tags to it. It's definitely a fun budget build, giving lots of power for the price by using these old server CPUs. Cheers! David.

Excellent video but I think in terms of power consumption alone it's better to run the E5 V3 Xeons at this point in time. Even at full load the 6 and 8 cores use very little power. Even the 12 core will use a lot less power than these X79s. Plus with the X99 boards you can upgrade to E5 V4's later on and they go up to 22 core on 2400mhz ddr4.

@@thomassmith4999 Thanks for the great advice! I think that's a good option to have, being able to upgrade to V4. I'd probably go that path if I were gonna upgrade now. Cheers! David.

@@thomassmith4999 Agreed. Upgrading to dual cpu makes no sense to me. Even used decent Dualie mobos cost a small fortune and they are not as convenient for desktop use because they are mostly designed for server application. They use more electricity. It doesn't double processing power and in some cases performance is even worse than with a single CPU. It offers no improvement to gaming performance or to any single threaded task. With few exceptions, anything less than the 269x-3 cpus are mostly just plain slow at the turbo end and/or have too few cores for serious multi-threading... And like you said, the V4 option is available with X99 or C612 chipsets. If I really want to game, I can drop in my overclockable I7-5930K (runs ~4.4gz on water at ~70-75 deg but the 2690-3 games just fine. I have a XEON E5-2690-3, Asus WS/IPMI, 64GB DDR4 ECC, RTX 2800 -S, 970 EVO 1TB (Boot), Fusion-IO 3.2TB PCIe SSD (Accelerator), Adaptec ASR 8805 w/4 4TB Seagate Terascale HDDs in RAID5 (Backups), 3 SATA SSDs totaling 2TB, Corsair HX-1000W PSU, 5 monitors (2 are 2160p 3 are 1080p), Humongous Corsair HAF-X Case, and I'm happy as a pig in mud. I got everything used except the 4K monitors, the HDDs, the water cooler and the 970 EVO. It's all hooked up to a sweet Yamaha 5.1 Hi-Fi thing. I'm currently trolling for a E5-2696-4 or E5-2698-4 or E5-2699-4

@@Ceeewolf I've had a dual CPU running all the way since 1997 till now but I have not used them as my main machine that's powered on all day in more than a decade. As you say the power consumption isn't worth it. But they are.. very cool :) to look at. I want to buy a Lenovo P900 at some stage when they are cheap.

You're welcome! Hope I gave you some ideas for a new budget build! Cheers! David.

You're welcome! Glad you liked it! Speaking of sauce, did you know hunger is the best sauce? Food tastes the best when you're hungry. I guess that's why mom always said to not spoil your appetite. Cheers! David.

I couldn't figure it out. But the single cores overclocked would be great! I put a 3070 in my xeon build and for gaming it was ok, until I hit battlefield 5, I was CPU bottlenecked and the inputs became laggy, wasn't a problem for the 1070 though. The faster 3070 just demanded more, so it created that problem. I switched to a Ryzen and it was fine, due to the higher single core performance. The faster Xeon clocks would probably help resolve that, but my stock frequency E5-2680s just couldn't keep up. Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine the e5 2680 you use is v2 or v3????

@@Adel-sj4ue Hi, mine was just the first generation, E5-2680, without any designation. It would be the V1 if they designated it, launched Q1, 2012, so mine is pretty old and dirt cheap, great for budget systems. The V2 came out Q3 2013. But if you have the budget I would recommend getting the V3 with DDR4, you'll get better single core performance and better overall system performance. Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine so go after the fastest Xeon ala 2.8ghz and up if you want better performance in newer titles for example the 2689/90 for me? i'm still looking into what might be the best deal cause i just want to defeat stuttering outside of that i'm happy atm and atleast i don't own a 3070 so that same issue won't be there.

I just picked up a supplier for myself that updates systems for clients. He has all sorts of systems laying around. I'm getting them at rock bottom prices. I don't know exactly what systems they are as of yet.. from older servers like the t5500 and up I'm sure. Even some older gaming pcs that I can squeeze some life out of for low end gaming like minecraft league of legends dotA 2 fortnite...

Thanks man! Glad you liked the video. Sounds good! Cheers! David.

Thanks man! Ya the FX-8350 ain't bad, but using the old enterprise stuff gives you a pretty fast system for cheap! Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine I was a little surprised, I was looking for a "new to me" laptop, upgrade my 2012 laptop, to maybe 2017 level. The 2017 HP ZBook G3 actually has some models with Xeon Processors! M.2 PCIe drives, and four DDR4 slots, each one can take a 16GB stick! They call them mobile workstations, Xeon E3 with 64GB memory, yeah I guess "workstation" is the right term..

@@jeffschlarb4965 That's awesome! Mobile workstation powerhouse! That's a capable laptop. Pretty cool! I had no idea they made that, thanks for letting us know! Cheers! David.

Hi Steve, thank you! Glad you liked it. It was fun to build, test, and present my findings. Definitely worth it. Gave me much better rendering performance for a small price. Wow the E5-2690 V3s are nice! That's a good rig with DDR4, I feel I'm losing some performance with DDR3, but it was a budget build, otherwise I'd like to have gone V3. Although single core performance is lacking compared to the newer CPUs, I'm pretty happy with the gaming performance! I think it's more GPU intensive so as long as I'm not CPU capped, the XEONs are doing fine. I'm quite happy with the XEONs, great all around system performance! Helps me game and get my work done! Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine Very awesome. I am all over the place here. I am an IT guy and have a decent main system of 8700k - 32gb RAM - 1080ti but have recently gotten into CG and Houdini. Someone is offering a threadripper 1950x with 1080ti 64gb of ram for 1500 but then I feel like one of these Xeon builds might be suffice for learning. So many options but when you have no real budget it is tough :) thanks for the video.

@@Vectorr66 You're welcome! Ya that's a pretty price to pay for the 1950x system. For $400, you could get dual 12 core, have 24 cores total, and have about 2495 userbenchmark points in multicore performance, the 1950x gets you about 2201 userbenchmark points. So the Xeon system is faster by 13% and is much cheaper. The Xeon systems definitely have good bang for the buck! Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine thanks! I have been trying to look into all the different xeon and years released and all. Any chance I can chat with you? Thanks!

@@Vectorr66 Anytime! I actually only have direct experience with the dual E5-2680, so I rely on userbenchmark for a lot of the performance data. One thing I think it's important is single core performance though, as that'll make editing and using the software quicker. The Ryzen 5900X might be your best system, since it's got great single-core and multi-core performance, but it'll be a challenge to get one right now. 5800X or 5600X might work pretty well too. I don't think you need a fast video card, but it can certainly help, but it's pretty hard to get the RTX 3060Ti, to 3080, but it's worth trying. Cheers! David.

Thank you! I appreciate it! My pleasure! It was fun to build, test, and produce. It's interesting seeing what these old Xeons could do, they helped video editing and render this video much faster than my 8350 too! Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine Back in the late 1990s there were articles about comparing Xeons to Pentium chips, not much has changed. The older Xeon chips were able to take on brand new Pentium cpus.

Thanks!!

Hey Brynjar, Thanks for sharing your system details. Wow that's an awesome system! Must be hella fast! I have yet to use NVMe, but that's definitely the way to go, Samsung all the way tho! It'll put out a lot of heat if you run everything, I had to turn my fans up to full speed when I did a burn in. I know it can do anything from running VMs to gaming, rendering, but what are you gonna mainly use your system for? Cheers! David.

where did you buy 128GB DDR3 ECC and HPz840? Can you provide a link? Thanks

Haha thanks! Glad you enjoyed. It was fun to test out the Xeon. They are old but still great for a bargain price!

Glad you enjoy the video! Great deal! Glad you could get such a beast for a great price! Can't beat that deal! Enjoy all the computing power at a budget price. Cheers! David.

Thanks for subscribing! Xeons definitely provide great value. Great questions! If you're going 90% gaming, I would actually recommend a Ryzen, since it's got way higher single core performance and that's what you need for gaming. The Xeons can still provide good bang for your buck, but I would go with one that has the highest potential in overclocking and single core performance, like the E5-1680 V2 on an X79. Sounds like it's unlocked on the X79 and you can play around with OCing it like these guys did: www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/8mpq1h/overclocked_my_xeon_e51650_v2_to_49ghz/ You can't do multicore systems with the 1600 series, so if you have some, you could make some good single core systems with it. The E5-2600s are good for multicore systems, but if you're gaming, you don't need high core counts. The risk you run into using the slower E5-2600s(combined with a fast video card like an RTX 3070) is that your single core performance will be lacking, and you'll get CPU capped in games, causing major lag, and it won't be playable. DirectX11 is more CPU dependent, and DirectX12 is more GPU dependent, so you could switch to DX12 if you have a slower Xeon, and it'll be a work around, but it's not an ideal set-up for a gamer. If you're doing video rendering, you'll actually benefit from faster single core performance while editing, since that's not all optimized for multicore. When encoding the video, that's the only time you really benefit from the multiple cores. If you don't want to play around with OCing, the Ryzen 3600x provides that fast single core performance you'll want for gaming. But I think the 1680 V2 with some tweaking could actually be comparable to the 3600x, and better value for your $. Here the 3600x gets 1569cb on R15, and the E5-1680 V2 gets 1669cb, beating it's overall score, and I assume single core is similar. i.redd.it/flz7k594da631.jpg www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/8222uz/e51680_v2_ivyep_46ghz_cb15/ If you can get a cheap E5-1680 V2 and X79 board, that could definitely be fun! If you want a multicore system, the E5-2678 V3s would make a good one, but again, the single core will be lacking, and for gaming, that might be an issue, but the V3s are faster than the V1s I used, so you might not have an issue for current generation games. But since you can't unlock the multiplier easily, you may become CPU capped, which really sucks and is impossible to game, I wouldn't want you to run into that issue. (Could fix it by going to DX12, but then you might run into other performance issues). I was running my dual E5-2680 V1s/RTX 3070 on Battlefield 5 in DX11 and it was unplayable due to CPU capping, switching to DX12 and it was no longer CPU capped and playable. The E5-2680 V1s have a single core performance of about 68.8 in userbenchmark, which is pretty slow. If you want your gaming system to perform well, I'd say you'd at least want it to be 100, 120+ preferably, which the Ryzen 3600X or overclocked E5-1680 V2 can probably give you. The Ryzen 5000s give you about 159, which is pretty nice, but I don't think you'll need that, or want to pay the premier for that. I think a 1680V2 OC'd and RTX 3060/3070 or 3080 would be a great gaming system for all current 2D and VR games. Even my E5-2680 V1/1070 was ok with most games, even Half-Life Alyx was playable, but anything better will be just that much smoother and more enjoyable. Cheers! David.

Thanks! You're right! I should have played games and rendered with power usage, but without that, I can tell you it'll use about 70W more if the application uses about 70% CPU. My AMD system used about 450W full load, the dual Xeon uses 550w full load (that's a burn in test, so normally it won't be that high). I would say that having two CPUs actually uses double what a single system would use. The benchmarks says each CPU uses 100w, which is about right. So in the end, it'll cost you about 20% more power usage over a single CPU system, since the GPU, HDDs and other components use up so much. Hope that helps! Cheers! David.

Hi, Ya I think it would work,m. You’ll want to go with E5 V3 with at least 12 cores so you’ll have more resources. You’ll be able to assign the number of CPUs and ram allocations to your VMs as required. Xeon’s are built for servers so it should work fine, lots of companies are using Xeons for this, I think this is great bang for the buck if that’s what you’re after. There are good packages with lots of ram, I’m sure it’ll cost a lot less than brand new parts, and still give great performance. Cheers! David.

Wow! That's amazing. Sounds like a wicked setup. The NVMe must provide awesome performance! I haven't used em before, still on the SATA SSDs, but I should upgrade once the price of 1TB NVMes come down! Thanks for the heads up! Cheers, David.

Way to go congrats, I got myself an X9DR3-LN4F+ am upgrading it to xeon V2s and my NVMe is already up and running in my X7DBI+, with PCIe gen 3 on the new board will be even better. Upcycling is the way to go, but it's not easy

Thanks! I had the 8350 too, and the render is shown at 15m20s. It's about 273% of the performance. So divide the time by 2.73, if it took you 7 hours with the 8350, it'll take 2.56 hours with the Xeons. There's some links in the description, one system is 57%(Dual E5-2678 V3) faster than mine, so that could do it in about 1.63 hours. Even better than my slower XEONs! I definitely recommend that path. Hope that helps! Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine thanks bro

Thanks Mahammad, glad you liked it! Cheers, David.

Thanks! Hope you enjoyed the comparisons! Cheers, David.

Lol they know what we all want!! I thank the algorithms for bringing you here, and thank you for watching! Ya the cheap packages really give a lot of performance for $. Cheers! David.

Oh nice! Ya I bet it'll work great! What CPUs you using? Let us know how it goes! Cheers, David.

Hi Michael! I don't know exactly why, as there's so many specifics to CPUs, but like you, I believe it is the newer technology in the i9 that makes it perform faster, they both use a 14nm process, but I think they've further refined the i9 since the development of the Xeon E5s. Xeons bus speed is 9.6GT/s x 2 whereas the i9 is 8GT/s x 4. Bus speed is also higher, this and a bunch of other advancements make single core performance much higher in the i9, so it's 8 cores can keep up with the 16 cores of my E5-2680 pretty easily. I'm using DDR3 as well, so that slows down my system. If you go with the E5 V3s you can use DDR4, that'll give your single core performance, and overall system performance little boost. If I did this again, I'd spend a little more for the V3 and get dual 12 cores. Great question! Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine thanks for the prompt reply, keep it up with the excellent videos, its very useful and give a lot of insight! I was planning to build a dual processor desktop but from the benchmark I always feel weird that more core can perform worst than less core (even for multicore jobs), to some extreme, maybe single core in the future can be faster than some 64cores nowadays😂😂

@@michaelwong2772 Anytime! Thanks for the feedback as well! Ya, I think for sure that single core performance will keep going up. For video editing, I think single core performance is actually more important than overall multicore performance. If you want it to be snappy and fast, single core performance is a must. That's why Intel focuses on single core performance, it's also good for games. Programmers don't always program the processes to use multicore, so you don't really benefit unless you do something like render a big video. It's nice they are adding more cores though, so the i9 can have the best of both worlds. If you want true performance, you'll want fast single-core and multi-core, but of course that'll cost you. I usually don't buy the top tier in technology, it always comes at a premium. I like the value you get from buying used equipment, you always get great bang for the buck. A 24 core system with 128GB that performs a little slower in some aspects, but faster on others in comparison to an expensive modern system ain't bad value for your dollar! And I'm sure you work hard for your dollar too, as we all do! So like me, you'll want to make it go as far as you can. That's what I like to do. Similarly, I always buy used cars, because they depreciate so much in the first couple years, it is greater value to buy used at half the cost of brand new, I think it's a similar deal here for Xeons. So if your looking for a bargain, old Xeons still give you that. Cheers! David.

Ya your non-AAA games should run great! Sounds like an amazing system, solid, especially with those redundant PSUs! That's cool that you can see your computer from anywhere with iLo4, I would definitely use that if I had the option. The v3 Xeons have good performance, that system will keep you going for a while! Game on! Cheers! David.

You're welcome! Out of those CPUs, I would recommend the 3990X(I assume you meant 3970x or 3990x?), as it's the highest performer, it does however cost $5000. Here's a comparison so that you can see the performance between all those CPUs, I've thrown on there the 10900K and 3950x for comparison too, their single core performance is higher than the Xeon and Threadripper's, so might actually provide snappier and faster performance for video editing, they will only fall behind for rendering and other multi-threaded applications(server applications). Interestingly, the Ryzen 9 3950x is faster than the Xeon 6248r CPU. www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-Xeon-Gold-6248R-vs-AMD-Ryzen-Threadripper-3970X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-Threadripper-3990X-vs-Intel-i9-10900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-3950X/3732vs3623vs3674vs3730vs3598 Cheers! David.

That's awesome! The X79 boards look cool. Nice! E5-2990s are fast. Ya, I agree, V2 or V3 would be great, DDR4 too! The V1s are great at heating up my room in the winter, not so nice in the hot summer though. Oh cool, I bet that OC'd RX 580 runs games well! That's running pretty hot, but as long as it can handle it, it's ok. Water would definitely be a plus though, with a huge radiator, closed loop, maybe a future build! Thanks for sharing you build, sounds amazing. Gotta love these Xeon builds! Cheers! David.

​@@DavidSunshine Overclocking via FSB is doable but kind of difficult, might try it sometime. I would be weary of these Chinese boards though because these may have a Chinese spy chip. The old saying about the CCP and the spy chips. I could hae tried liquid metal actually, that could have helped as well. This machine runs games pretty well, would definitely water cool it. I maxxed out the amount of fans the case can handle, three front intake, one exhaust, two exhaust on the top. There's also two large heatsinks on the CPUs as well. It's crazy to think youg et 90-95 degrees on max load on both CPUs with this amount of cooling! Liquid metal would definitely be the way to go if you are willing to risk and prepare it that way.

@@microtecture2442 Ya I got an Asus server board, should be safe. But the Chinese boards seem good bang for the buck. You get 95C on the CPU? That's strange, I am getting 62C max even with 100% loading on the whole system with AIDA64 trial. What heat sinks and thermal paste are you using? I used Arctic Silver MX4 and it's working really well, in combination with those 2 large 4 heat pipe heat sinks. I just have 2 fans running moderately and it is keeping the heat off them. But it is running 200W so I could see it getting hot, my case can get up to 50C if I don't turn the fan speed up to exhaust heat out of the case. Maybe your case is getting hot? If your case is 60C, I can see your CPUs getting well above that, since the air running over your heat sinks will be 60C. I would check your case air temp. Take the side panel off and your CPU temps may drop, if that's the case, you'll want to ventilate your case more, at least until the temps are below 45C in the case. Cheers! David.

You're welcome! You should do it! Dual XEON systems are awesome. Can never have too much ram lol. I have some links in the description, but the one I recommend is this package: tidd.ly/3gq90vm It has two E5-2678 V3 12-Core 2.5Ghz/3.3Ghz CPUs, which is 57% Better Performance than my E5-2680. It comes with 32GB (2 x 16GB), but you can go buy 4 more strips to make 96GB here: tidd.ly/33OIW7S You'll have yourself a very powerful system using DDR4 @ 2400Mhz! Cheers! David.

Hi, The Asus board I was using is in standard ATX form factor, so fit in the Silent Base 601 easily. The X99 sounds huge! Looks like the 601 and 802 can support E-ATX though, I'd think any case that can support a big enough E-ATX board would work, just double check the size supported, the Silent Base 601/802 can handle 30.5 cm x 27.5 cm. If it's bigger than that then you'll have to find something non standard E-ATX, or you can modify the case by removing some items like drive holders, if they are riveted in you can just drill them out. Just try to find a case without a PSU shroud, then you'll have more space to work. The F8D says it's 300x320mm, so it might extend into the hard drive space a bit, but if you don't have drive bays installed it should fit in any case that can handle an E-ATX board. Cheers! David.

Haha nice. Ya it's good to play with these things for fun. People still buy old xeons for rendering and 3D work actually. But ya the 5950x is the ultimate cpu lol. Lots of cores and lots of single core performance, best of all worlds. Great for gaming or rendering. Glad you enjoyed the video, the pleasure is mine. Cheers! David.

Hi, If you're going for a gaming system, you'll want good single core performance. Someone said they can use the 16xx series and overclock to 4.4Ghz, so that would probably be a cheap but good way to get fast single core performance. If you can do it in dual CPU, you'd have best of both worlds. I don't think there's ever overkill with a fast video card though, the better the video card, the faster your FPS. You'll want a fairly fast single core performance to match it though, you'll be CPU capped if you go with a slower single core performer like my E5-2680, that's good with my GTX 1070 tho. With the 3070 you'll definitely want to look into an overclocked Xeon. Definitely look into overclocking the Xeon E5-1650 or something. Cheers! David.

Nice! Damn those are fast CPUs, 3.8Ghz turbo on all 16 cores! That's a lot of juice. Cool! Cheers! David.

It's has great single core performance, but the architecture doesn't allow for dual core operation, so well have to use the E5 series for that. The new V3s are old enough to be cheap but still perform pretty well! So that's a good option, E5-2678 V3 is probably the best bang for the buck right now. Cheers, David.

Hi, I tried it out, and limited a CPU to only operate with 4 cores/8 threads, but since my CPUs don't thermal throttle anyways, that didn't yield any better performance. My CPUs run at 100% and maintain 64C with all cores at 3.1Ghz. If I used a smaller CPU heatsink, I think it would help though, because my temperatures were low when using only 4 cores. So there's not much benefit to this, other than reducing power usage. Performance reduced along with the disabled cores too. Best regards, David.

Theoretically this might only work for unlocked chips with high overclocking headroom and limited cooling being the only limit.

You're welcome! From what I could find, it sounds like that's a CPU that's typically used for 4 CPU motherboards, so large servers. Doesn't look like it can be used like the E5s. Best regards, David.

Lol ya my heart stopped beating to wait for the boot lol. No joke. They probably program that in there to give us a heart attack. Then goes just kidding, I'll boot.

Ya it'll be awesome for that, V4 is much better than what I was running, V1. It'll have better single core performance, and that'll be important to keep the system snappy and fast while you operate it, having great multicore will be good for rendering and compiling. Ya it'll destroy the 3770 lol. The V4s might be expensive though, price it out and see how it compares to the Ryzen 5900X or 5950X, those will have unbeatable single core performance for the price, along with pretty good multicore, which can make your system much snappier than the Xeons, important when working with 3D modeling software, panning, zooming, rotating etc. Of course the used Xeons can provide great bang for the buck though, but it's good to compare the pricing and performance as well. Hope that helps! Cheers, David.

Hi, I have the RM850x, it's a modular power supply and so I just used a couple 8-pin cables and required by the motherboard. I wouldn't use a SATA adapter, since Xeons pull full 125W and it might overload the PSU rails, I'd recommend getting a power supply with the right connectors. A 650W with modular cables would work, if you have a demanding GPU, it needs an 850W PSU though, as it can pull over 600W continuously, which would really work a 650W PSU hard. Cheers, David.

Thanks man! Oh nice! Wish I had the V2 as well! More power!! Lol. Can never have enough power! Cheers, David.

@@DavidSunshineI bought my pc second hand for 600$ was it worth it? Specs: - dual intel xeon e5-2680v2 -ZOTAC GTX 1070 X-GAMING-OC 8GB -(16x4)64gb ram ddr3 1066mhz -1 tb ssd -2tb hdd

@@NineSides Hi, Ya that's a great deal! The 1070 is what I'm using, and I paid $400 Canadian for it over a year ago. Still plenty of power, and I've been using it for PC VR gaming and it works pretty well! You'll be able to play the best games with that system, you should install Epic and Steam and get all the great games. Epic gives away free games every week, I got GTA5 when it was free. Great game, worth paying for even! Awesome graphics on the 1070. Try it out! World war Z is awesome too, on epic games. Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine Thanks for the reply! I also got gta V for free from epic games

@@NineSides lol nice! I only played it a bit, but looks awesome! I got it working in VR too, it's nice to be able to see it in VR, but it's unplayable for me cuz it makes me motion sick in a minute, since it renders reach eye alternating, but it's a cool idea! Have fun gaming! Cheers! David.

Nice! The 1950X looks like an awesome CPU, what a powerhouse! And the RX5600XT is a very powerful card. That system sounds great for gaming and encoding! I bet you can play most games maxed out with that system. But ya, the Xeon's still have their place for brute computing, so that's good. Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine This is true. It won't be long before big tech upgrades again and the market will again be flush with server chips. When the Platinum 8180's get dumped on the used market I'll be waiting.

@@rdsii64 Damn, that 8180 looks crazy! 28 cores, 56 threads, wow. Imagine dual CPU with that, 56 cores, 112 threads! Haha. Wild. I'll be waiting as well!

Damn nice! That'll be awesome. Rendering is a breeze with all those cores! Sounds like a cool build. What CPUs and RAM, and video card are you gonna use? Let us know how it goes! Cheers, David.

@@DavidSunshine Planning on getting 2x E5-2470 v2's and I already have 32GB of ECC ram. Right now it has 2x E5-2403's which are slow and not useful for much. I really don't need a good graphics card, I mean I have a GTX 670 in for now for HDMI and displayport and some hardware acceleration, I want to set it up for video editing/nas, take the load off my main PC

@@VikingDudee Oh nice man! It'll do well for you then. That's what the Xeons were made for so it'll work perfectly. I guess your main PC is the gaming rig! Let us know how your build goes! Cheers, David.

Awesome, 5130 is really good, I was hoping mine would break the 5000 mark but it couldn't. V2 does seem to be the way to go. It's a little more, so not for everyone on a tight budget, but I think it's worth it for the performance increase over V1s. 105 GB/s is damn fast! Nice! Sounds like an awesome system. Cheers, David.

Nice builds! That Noctua U9DX is a great cooler, specifically built for the Xeons. I was thinking about configuring mine to create a tunnel, but I pointed mine upwards instead. I was worried the hot air from the 1st CPU would make it harder to cool the 2nd CPU, but if it's a tunnel towards the back, it might be better since you eject the hot air out the back of the case, mine pools at the top of my case, then makes it's way out through the back after some time, so there might be some short circuiting going on. I used 2 cheap Aliexpress 6 heat pipe coolers(tidd.ly/3pUjEhk, 3 fans, without RGB), they seem to work well, since I can keep my cores fairly cool and maintain 3.1Ghz on all cores even under a full burn-in test with RAM/HDDs/SSDs/GPUs at max. I wouldn't recommend my coolers though, I needed to modify the mount so that I could get them onto the sockets, and I can't easily remove them while inside the case, so I had to install them before installing the motherboard and CPU heat sink fans(Since the mounting screw is blocked by the fan). So I definitely don't recommend 6 heat-pipes, even if it provides a little more cooling. It would be a pain to remove the motherboard, just so I could swap the CPU, that's why I recommend smaller heat sinks that can screw in from the top. Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine ok Cool..I will probaly just order me either a second hyper 212 evo(old Faithfull) or another gammaxxGT cooler(its just a tad shorter than the 212 evo) I have one of Each on thair untill i make up my mind..lol. i have spent so much & i just hate to keep spending on it as i just dont need 3-4 dual Xeon Servers & im really out of room to put them..lmao..

@@bigchew3149 Nice, those sound like great options! These cheap coolers are hit and miss, never know if they'll perform well, but I like budget stuff. Ya that's a lot of systems! I barely have enough space for 1 lol. If you do want to try a cheap one out though, check out this 4-Pin heatsink(I wouldn't get the 3-Pin, cuz the PWM fan speed control is good to have): tidd.ly/2K2UxJm You can screw it in from on top. Might not perform as well as your Hyper or gammaxxGT, but who knows? Maybe they will perform well and cost less? Cheers! David.

Ya this Xeon system works really well overall for the small price paid. A new build tho, would be awesome with the new Zen 3s, the 5900x looks like great bang for the buck, but it's hard to find any stock. I'm pretty happy with the 1070, hopefully the 3060ti comes in stock soon. Would make a wicked new system. Cheers! David.

Great point!! Ya I would assume if the package comes with the V2 or V3, that the motherboard they send it with is compatible. But you never know with these guys! Definitely would receive 1/5 stars if I had that happen lol. That's awesome! If you could post some of your scores for comparison, that would be great! I could add it to my graphs too, would be fun to see it in comparison to them all! Userbenchmark and Cinebench would be representative. Cheers, David.

Hi, do you know if Supermicro X9DRD-iF works with E5-2696v2 ? Thanks

@@hakoren4444 Hi, I think it'll work, because I see this listing for the 2696 v2 with that board on a website for sale. So must work, might need to update to the latest firmware tho, since the website says v3.0 is required for v2 support. www.ruten.com.tw/item/show?22025709764891 Cheers, David.

@@DavidSunshine Thank you. I have E5-2660 v1 so update is possible.

Ya it's great bang for the buck if you need good multicore performance, but the single core performance is a little slow if you're in need of that. It's a great budget system, and I'm pretty happy with it! Cheers! David.

Hi, I've never tried it, but looks like others have been successful in it. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-P8sN3-OwdVc.html The links in the description are updated with the best combos and prices that I could find on AliExpress, so check them out, and if there's anything in particular you're looking for, I'm sure there's something on AliExpress that'll suit your needs, they got it all. The V2 dual systems definitely provide the best bang for the buck. If you can build a dual boot system like the RU-vidr linked above, that would be awesome! Also look into V3 Xeons if you are willing to pay a little more and want the extra performance. Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine Thanks man, so yah i ordered 2x E5-2680 V3 12-Core and a chinese x99 LGA 2011 MOBO. Lets hope it performs well!

@@jameskent1845 Anytime! Nice! Good choice, that'll be a powerful 24 core system with DDR4, I'm sure it'll perform well. Let us know how the build goes!

Will do David. One more question. If I’m using 2x e5 2680 v3 and possibly a rx580, Vega 64 or 5800xt (not sure which one to buy yet) how big of a PSU would u recommend? I’m going to be using one of the x99 MOBOs from China. If that helps. Thank in advance for u advice.

@@jameskent1845 Hi James, great question! I personally do not like to load a PSU too heavily, it can create stability issues and the risk of burning out PSU components by running it near the rated capacity. The brand also plays a big role, since the cheaper brands will cut corners by using smaller components. I trust the brand's Seasonic, Asus, Corsair and EVGA; listed highest preference first. The Seasonics are out of stock, hard to find, and expensive, but give you the best quality in PSUs. The CPUs (115w) and Vega 64(295w) add up to 525W, with the motherboard and hard drives, I'd say you're looking at pulling 625W. If you plan to run the video card and CPU on max continuously, like mining cryptocurrency 24/7, I would go with 1000W, like this: amzn.to/3eu3kkl If you are only gaming and rendering, you can go with 850w, like this: amzn.to/3xUTdg5 You want to load a PSU to 80% max, which is 680w of 850w, so you're right up there with the 625w system load, 73.5%, so you can run it, buy it'll run a little hot if you mine with it, and that can lead to premature failure. For continuous operation, around 50% load is easier on the components. I've been mining cryptocurrency and I've been keeping the PSUs loaded around 50%, and they just run slightly warm, not crazy hot, that's the way to run em for long term reliability. I linked the cheapest Gold efficiency models above, which I recommend, one which is semi modular, I don't see a benefit of fully modular since you'll be collecting to the ATX motherboard anyways, it's only really required if you are building/using custom cables. Additionally, if you run the Vega 64, or any card over 150w, I highly recommend running two PCIe power cables to it, even though one cable with two heads can fit. 295w can overload the 8 pin connector on the PSU end and melt it. They don't tell you that, but it's happened before. You'll get better voltage and current delivery with two cables as well. Less voltage drop. Most PSUs come with 3 cables. Hope that helps! Cheers, David.

Nope. It's the same as a normal motherboard, I was surprised that windows 10 worked that well with it. You should install the specific manufacturer drivers, but I didn't notice a difference. You don't need to install windows again though, you can just swap motherboard and CPU, and reactivate windows using your windows 10 key, through the"update product key" function. I recommend a proper fresh install though, as your Microsoft store installs might not work, or other bugs may occur. The server based board doesn't have a sound card, and a PCIe one I installed has noise when recording, so now I'm using a USB $10 sound card and that seems to record fine without too much static. There are compromises, but nothing too bad. It still makes a great system! Cheers! David.

Thanks for the advice! Nice! v3! Ya I agree, even for regular video editing, I think the faster single core performance of newer CPUs will help, only rendering really makes use of the Xeon's extra threads, like the userbenchmark 64 core test, that's really the only place the Xeon could beat the newer CPUs like the i9-9900 and Ryzen 3700x. I think the graph at 16m32s shows what you're saying best, the 3700X is a good budget CPU, but gives great single core performance, totally beating the Xeon even up to 8-core, which most games would make use of. Only at 64-core it gets beat by the Xeon, and not even by that much, so overall system performance will be had with the newer Ryzen cores. I'd probably get the 10900K if I had the money tho, great single and multi core performance. For gaming, I'm sure the single core performance will be beneficial. The Xeon is a good compromise between price, gaming performance, and rendering performance I'd say. Thanks again for the info! Cheers! David.

I have a 12 core Xeon E5-2690 V3 and a 16 core Xeon E5-2698 V3 build at my house. You absolutely need to have a motherboard that supports quad channel DDR4 to truly benefit from making one of these Xeon builds. The V2s give great performance for the price, but the V3s running quad DDR4 is better for gaming. If you run Quad Channel on your ram it will greatly increase your gaming FPS and most games run very close to Zen 2 benchmarks. If you haven't done it you need to do the Turbo unlock. Single core is still lacking, but unlocking the Turbo gives you a good boost.

Hi, The Silent 601, without a side window, I wanted it to be as quiet as possible. It works well, as the heat exhausts out the back, and there's a switch to change the case fan speeds, or you can have the motherboard control that if you get that feature. The server board I had didn't have that ability easily accessible. I think I can get PWM control with custom software, but it is hard to find and I haven't found it. The cheap Chinese boards might have it tho. I would definitely recommend it though, cuz when you render or game, it's nice to have the fans speed up. My CPU PWM works well, so I could collect them all to that with an adapter, that would be nice. Cheers! David.

Hi, When we run the multicore benchmarks, it uses both CPUs fully and that's about 250w total CPU load, with monitor and other items, about 500w at the UPS. It's pretty good CPU performance but the energy consumption is more than a single CPU system. Ryzen is the best in efficiency and single core performance though. The 5900x is pretty good if you're willing to spend that much. But the Xeon system is still great performance for the money. I recently upgraded to the 5900x, but it really isn't that much better than the dual XEONs for my gaming or video editing. It's more of a luxury than a necessity. Cheers! David.

Nope. I don't think my motherboard had that option, maybe other boards do tho?

​@@DavidSunshine i have some instructions to load my BIOS via hex editor and EFI modifing via FreeDos. And it's really work, my CPU works always at turbobusted frequency(we have base frequency - 2.5GHz and turbobust from Intel - about 3.4GHz). I bought powerful CPU fan for this.

@@AlexMolchanov90 Oh that sounds awesome! If you want to leave a link here to the instructions, go ahead, I'm sure everyone who runs an E5 would love to turboboost their CPUs! With extra cooling in sure it would run stable. Cheers, David.

Hi Frank! Thanks for letting us know! That's a great upgrade path, I'd like to try OCing up to 4.4ghz! Sounds like that's the way to go for both gaming performance and multi-core if it's a dual CPU system. And those who only game could just go with a single CPU board. Cheers! David.

Nice! I like the idea of those cheap Chinese boards, glad to hear it runs the 2 x 12 cores well! With the DDR4/1TB M.2 too! That's a fast system. Cheers! David.

No, I think the Ryzen will do a little better, since it has faster single core performance. If you're using the 1070 though, it will be GPU limited, and performance will be similar. If you're using a faster GPU, you'll benefit from faster single core performance, which the 3000 and 5000 series Ryzens will provide. If I get my hands on the new Ryzen I can test it out to see how much better it'll do, but I think I'll only get 5-10% increase in frame rate with the new cpu and ram though. Cheers, David.

Also try the Xeon E5-1680 v2 for gaming (great bang for buck) or the cheaper/slower Xeon E5-2650 v2. Both are Ivy Bridge 8-core/16-threaded parts. Get a motherboard that supports overclocking ideally. It is important to get the clock-speeds up when gaming. No real need to get a dual CPU system for just gaming I'd say. (Like it was mentioned in the video, best to avoid a server board. They will be missing USB + sound etc. Although any modern GPU will have its own sound chip built in. You can can also add USB support via an add-in PCIe or PCI card.) A good Xeon E5-1680 v2 part can be OC-ed to about 4.6GHz (on all cores) and will ~match an R7 3700X. As games become more multithreaded, these Xeons will get better and better at gaming. Certainly a cheap way to get good performance (especially as the server RAM they need is dirt cheap) but future up-gradability (of the CPU) is not really an option. Try AliExpress for all the parts! But be careful to check what you are buying, as there is a seemingly endless variety of Xeons out there, all using different sockets/platforms and with very differing gaming abilities.

@@DJ_Dopamine Thanks for the information and tips! An OC'd Xeon is a great idea, I like the 4.6Ghz speed on all cores, sounds promising. I bet water cooling could keep that stable and sustained 4.6Ghz on all cores even under max loading. That would be a fun build. Cheers! David.

Its x79 lol

@@MyteByte5 this one is X99, but you can do X79 as well. X99 is the better option if you can get it for a good price. They truly give Zen 2 a run for its money at a lower price.

Just to note you can run up to a 6 core Xeon in a X58 if you had one laying around that will still give you good gaming performance. You could probably get that stupid cheap now.

Hi, I had the Zotac Mini 1070 in there for testing. It's an sufficient card for gaming, nothing fancy, isn't super powerful, but worked pretty well. I upgraded to a 3070 and the increase in performance isn't that great. It's smoother for sure, but any of the games are still great on the 1070 actually. I wouldn't mind using the 1070 for BF5 or Half-life Alyx, they both work well on the 1070. BF5 actually is CPU limited on the Xeons with a 3070, so you'll need to switch to DX12 if you use that(uses less CPU and is more GPU intensive, so won't CPU cap the system). Great question! Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine woah thanks a lot...i'm rookie about Gpu especially to choose what i need for sure among hundred of them in the market...great, thank you

@@j4xchannel709 Anytime! If you can get your hands on the 3060Ti founders edition, it's the best bang for the buck today. But more realistically the 3070 has more stock and you could pick one up easier. But if you're patient enough you can get a 3060ti, it isn't impossible, just really difficult. It'll be good for PC VR if you're into that as well. Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine well thanks a lot for your info. God bless 🙏

Yup, these are ATX sized motherboards, so any case that can accept ATX motherboards will fit. I suggest a mid-tower case, unless you need a lot of hard drives and want lots of space, then go for full-tower. I'm using a mid-tower, and it's plenty for my hard drives and 2 SSDs, I use the Silent 601 (amzn.to/350QNjq), their Silent line of cases have more sound isolation built in, so it costs more, $189, so it's a little quieter. You could go with a basic case, it's a little less, $89, the Pure Base 600 (amzn.to/2KJ7s4b). I prefer no window, since I'm focused on sound isolation, but if you want a window so you can see your dual Xeons configuration, they make those as well, like the 601 with a window (amzn.to/3hwlK40). Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine also would. you reccomned 1 or 2 power supplies

@@rashadabdul286 Sure, for PSU, I recommend 850W, you pay a little more for the power, but it's much more capable of delivering the power you need, depending on the video card, you can pull 500+W, so you would be fully loading a 650W PSU, which is gonna run hot and could cause problems, 850W would be the minimum recommended in my books, so that it can run a little cooler, and be stable. Any ATX PSU will fit, there are many options on Amazon: 1.) Here's an economic 850W, $120 - amzn.to/3b6jSOl 2.) But I would recommend going with a name brand like EVGA even if it's a little more, $161 - amzn.to/3hBDnPV 3.) This thermaltake is also pretty good $150: amzn.to/3oaOdif You can go with Corsair(amzn.to/2X4kprQ) or Seasonic(amzn.to/3hyVt53) PSUs as well, they are even more expensive, and should provide better quality and reliability. Those are my suggestions, but there are many options on Amazon, I recommend getting an 80 Plus Gold PSU(Don't get Silver or Bronze, or no rating), as it's an efficient PSU, Platinum is better, but will cost you a lot more: www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=as_li_qf_sp_sr_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=davidsun06-20&keywords=850w ATX PSU&index=aps&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=xm2&linkId=7a76fb646b6ba851e66132ea305cd152 Cheers! David.

Haha thanks man! Glad you liked it! I guess it was not very popular LOL. Cheers! David.

Hi, I think it's a good compromise for gaming and 3d-modeling/CAD, it's slightly slower performance, but you get it at a budget price. I think Cinebench is a great representation of the performance you'll get for Revit/CAD/Solidworks, check out the performance here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lpns6zJdBuc.html The newer systems perform better overall, but the Xeon system is not far behind it. This is where the faster XEONs may help, and could give you better overall performance. For $300ish, I don't think you can find a better deal. Cheers! David.

gaming = single thread which these xeons are trash at if you are doing serious work or serious gaming just get ryzen

@@Blox117 Ya you're right about Ryzen, best bang for the buck and fast single core performance, faster single core gives the best overall performance for sure, both in the OS, and doing anything basically, the XEON really only performs well if you can use all those threads. I like how well it renders videos, what used to take hours is less than an hour now. I suspect they have some algorithm in there for sharing workload between threads/cores, even if the specific software isn't written for it, but not sure. Check out my video at 7m42s, I'll alt-tab out of Apex Legends, and I saw it used up partial loading of 18 cores, so it seems like it's making good use of many cores. The Ryzen has a lot of cores/threads too though, so it would definitely be beneficial for gaming, and destroy the XEON in performance. I'd definitely get a Ryzen 3950x if I gamed more and wanted the best in performance, but since I'm mostly rendering and video editing, the cheap XEON system made sense. It was kinda fun to build a dual core system too, so there's that. Cheers! David.

Hi, The E3 1220 V3 isn't a bad CPU, but being only 4 cores, it's not really worth it. It's single core is a little faster than an E5-2680 V2, but the 10 cores of the E5 make it's multicore performance almost 4 times faster. So the E3 may not be worth upgrading to, especially if you need to buy the motherboard and RAM. You're better off going with something with more cores. Cheers, David.

I don't think the 2600s can be overclocked. They are locked, especially with my server board. The multipliers are locked for sure. You might be able to increase the FSB in the X99 boards though. But I've never done it. Lots of people overclock the 1600s though, by the sounds of it, which is better for gaming. Cheers, David.

@@DavidSunshine thanks but can i know will the ryzen 5 3600 build will be good or the Dual E5-2678 V3 as you mentioned in perfomance in description i mainly do work on blender and gaming but to me gaming is more important

@@kashmirikitchenmasala3385 Hi, If gaming is your priority, you should go with the 3700X, but right now, if you can get the 5600x for a similar price, it'll be the best bang for the buck. You might be able to find a used 3700X for a good deal though. Xeons are good for rendering and simulations, but not so great for gaming, that's where single core performance will benefit you. Cheers! David.

At 13m29s I show it uses 549w, it uses half when idle. That's with the monitor on, which is probably 40w. I think the GTX1070 uses a lot. So if you don't have a dedicated card, it'll use less. Each CPU uses about 105w. Cheers! David.

Yup, I think you're right too. My 8350 probably wasn't maxing out the GPU, so upgrading the CPU helped improve performance. The motherboard chipset and ram probably were bottlenecked, and that helped too. I wonder if a Ryzen 5950X would help? The single core performance of the Xeon is not that great, so may still be CPU bottlednecked, wish I had one to test with. Great point! Cheers, David.

Hi, Any ATX case and PSU will work together, since ATX is a standard form factor for the cases and PSUs to follow. Just make sure you don't get a different one like mATX, which is for mini ATX boards only, or eATX, which is for extended ATX(That would probably be fine, but it's for larger boards, so not necessary). I personally use the Silent 601 case (amzn.to/350QNjq), and I like it since it's meant to be quieter, but you could use the more economic Pure Base 600 (amzn.to/2KJ7s4b). For power supply, there are a few options: An economic 850W, $120(amzn.to/3b6jSOl), or you could go with a more expensive Brand, EVGA, $161(amzn.to/3hBDnPV), or even Thermaltake $150 (amzn.to/3oaOdif) Or you can go with Corsair(amzn.to/2X4kprQ) or Seasonic(amzn.to/3hyVt53) PSUs as well, they are even more expensive, and should provide better quality and reliability. There's no problem going with the budget PSU, it just means you'll have less features, and you won't get the quality or support from the bigger brands. Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine thank you David. I am trying to build a dual x79 with 128gb ecc. Any recommendations?

@@johndee759 Cool, that's a great idea. I've never used the X79, but if I were to build a system now, I would probably get the following: X79 Dual Motherboard: tidd.ly/39gjYjH 8 x 16GB 1866Mhz DDR3: tidd.ly/3ozvZr4 2 x E5-2690 (2.9Ghz Base/3.8Ghz Turbo): tidd.ly/2Lz0wXp You could also go with E5-2696 V2s (2.5Ghz Base/3.3Ghz Turbo) for more cores, but it costs a little more, multi-core performance is faster, but single core performance is a little slower, I'd probably go with the higher base/turbo speed since that will make the system snappier, you are only slower when rendering video, and you can always just wait longer: tidd.ly/39lo0Hs Hope that helps and gives you some ideas! Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine absolutely . I was thinking to go with 4*32 ddr3 128gb. And two 2696. Is that pretty much highest cpu with most cores you can put in this board?

@@johndee759 Hi, If you want the highest CPU in the E5 V2 family, the E5-2697 V2 would be your best bet: tidd.ly/3ox9K4Z Check out the list here: ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/series/78582/intel-xeon-processor-e5-v2-family.html It's not as common as the 2696, but it's probably worth the extra $ since the base is 2.7Ghz and Turbo is 3.5Ghz, a little faster than the E5-2696 V2. For 32GB DDR3, go with the PC3-14900/1833Mhz since it's the best the Xeon and Motherboard support, and it's not that expensive: tidd.ly/2Xr06Vt I'm wondering about the ram configuration though, the motherboard says it supports/has "High speed quad-channel DDR3 DIMM slots", and also the Xeon says it supports 4 memory channels, so to maximize the memory bandwidth, I wonder if using all 4 slots for each CPU would do it? If you only use 2 slots for each CPU, you may only utilize 2 of the 4 channels, and only get half the memory bandwidth. A bit of googling, it does sound like people think all slots should be populated. I found this board that only has 4 slots total, but it might still only be using 2/4 channels for each CPU: tidd.ly/39mKfgc I don't think it will make a huge difference for performance either way, so I'd go with the 8 slot board, and just get 4*32 like you were planning. Cheers, David.

Lol nice man!! Still not too much ram!!!! That'll be a fast system! What motherboard are you using? Must be a 4 core system! Cheers! David.

It's much more affordable than a brand new system. If you get the slower E5s, and only 16GB of ram, you can get it for even cheaper! Less than $200. Definitely worth it. But I would save up for the 2690 at least, since it is running at 2.9Ghz and that'll boost gaming performance. I purchased the 1070 off Craigslist, old used stuff can be purchased for a great deal since people just want to get rid of it. I'm all about budget systems, cuz all brand new components cost so much more. Cheers! David.

Lol it's a lot of cores, definitely useful for when I'm rendering my RU-vid videos! Highly recommended for the low cost of the performance, similar to high priced systems today! Cheers! David..

Hi, yes great point! Ya, it's a great workstation, which is mostly what I use it for. I've been recently using it for PCVR, but the newer CPUs that have way faster single core would be way better for gaming. I've also only got the 1070 GTX so I'm limited quiet a bit there. I would like the 3900X for a gaming rig for sure! Or even the 3700X overclocked would work well. And maybe a used 1080Ti, good performance for the low price you can find one on Craigslist. The single core performance isn't great on the XEONs, but it still makes a pretty good workstation or compromised budget gaming system. Cheers! David.

Lol ya! Good eye! Was hilarious, killed the zombie but it still knocked me down from the momentum of the corpse. Thought it had me for a second there. Then I got back up! Whew....

@@DavidSunshine last week i bought a new dual xeon x5680 for my 5.1 mac pro, and 32gig 1333mhz ecc ram, it's really refreshing and keeping up with good new systems, i just need to replace my gpu to quadro k5000 and it's all set for video editing and graphics 👍🏻

@@moaneg1 Wow! Nice setup! You'll be ready to rock when you get that K5000 in there! Hell of a workstation!

@@DavidSunshine yes, i found a good deal on eBay for the card, including 60 days back, so i have a lot of time to test it, but i want to ask you if you don't mind, should i replace the thermal paste or keep it as it is sense it's refurbished?

@@moaneg1 Great deal!! Ya test it out to see if it can render without issues, I'm sure it'll be fine tho. I wouldn't bother replacing the heatsink compound or pads, it's 122w and uses GDDR5 which wasn't known to run that hot. I would run HWinfo or GPU-Z to see how it does while you render or stress test it, if it seems to be running hotter then I would consider replacing the heatsink compound and vram thermal pads. GDDR5 has an acceptable operating Temp of 95C, I would say if it's 85C or below, that should be acceptable. If it rides above that, you could change it out with some thermaltake pads, might be worth it. Try it out and see what happens. Enjoy the new workstation! Cheers! David.

Thanks man! Let me know what's misleading and maybe I can add clarifications in the description, don't want to be misleading anyone! Cheers, David.

Ya, the board doesn't have one. But I actually ended up using a cheap USB sound card instead, the sound blaster card I put in has a little buzz when I record audio from my mic. Cheers, David.

Lol nice! The 1600 has faster single core performance, so I thought it would do pretty well, but I guess there are other factors at play! Xeons can still hold their own, that's great! Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine I am using Xeon E5 2667 in dual socket X79 chinese mobo 12 cores 24 threads, all cores work at 3.3GHz all the time by stop parking cores and deactivate SpeedStep, it is faster to do my job than Ryzen 1600 and i feel more comfortable with Xeon.

Ya, the best performance will be had with the new Intel and AMD CPUs for gaming, and even video processing (only rendering uses all cores, while other editing functions use 2 or 4, if not 1). But for the cost increase, it might still make sense to go with Xeons. Cheers! David.

Good question, as a pure gaming system it wouldn't make sense, if you want all out gaming performance today you'd go with the 5800X3D, but that CPU is going to cost more than a dual xeon v2 system. So for a budget xeon system, it'll work well enough to game on if you have an average video card of Craigslist or something. It was interesting to see that this cheap $250 system plus a 1070 $200 from CL could run some games decently. It's actually capable today or playing 2042 at about 70fps, which isn't too shabby. If you are using a faster video card in the RTX series, definitely get a ryzen though. As you're right, the faster single core is required to feed the faster GPU, otherwise it'll CPU cap you and lag the game horribly. This was a good test for a budget system that matches the multi core performance of the newer CPUs though (good for rendering videos, or rendering models), and can also do a little gaming as well. I think V2/V3 Xeons might still be a good deal compared to the cost of a brand new ryzen system, if pure gaming performance isn't the goal. V1 is a little dated now though. V4 is a little too expensive, but if you can get them for cheap, would still be worth it. Again, great question! Cheers, David.

@@DavidSunshine Thanks for the response, im planning on doing a build like this at some point. Next time i reccomend you benchmark more multicore performance, since thats really all that matters. Gamers Nexus does a test in blender where they time the rendering of a single image. That test seems decent. I also advise against UBM since they are known for being untrustworthy, thanks for the response :D

Thanks for pointing that out! Their numbers are funny, cuz the 5800x is also Ryzen 7 lol. Guess it's based on the number of cores. Cheers! David.

Good eye! I get confused since the 3800X is also Ryzen 7, wonder why they didn't name it 8, and 3900X being 9 would make sense. Cheers! David.

@@DavidSunshine OMG YOU REPLIED TO MY COMMENT

@@bumbumbumbunnies6710 lol ya. Do most people not reply? You replied to my reply!!!!!

@@DavidSunshine bigger youtubers like u have never replied to a comment i have posted

@@bumbumbumbunnies6710 Oh damn, that's strange! I have fun making these videos, and even more fun learning from and interacting with the RU-vid community! A lot of my ideas actually come from recommendations from people. Lots of great ideas out there to be shared. We wouldn't be having much fun without the interaction from each other. Do you think a Ryzen 5900X vs Dual Xeon E5-2680 video would be fun? Cheers! David.

Great list James! Thank you for posting that. I'm sure many will benefit with that. The single core performance is definitely lacking for AAA titles, and you can encounter CPU capping/stutter if you have a faster GPU than a 1070 or so. When I paired my Xeon with a 3070, I got stutters in BF5 under DX11(39fps), by switching to DX12(88fps) which is more GPU intensive, it got rid of the stutter and lag caused by the CPU cap, and could play properly again. After that, I upgraded to a Ryzen 5900X(@112fps) and got a 30% increase in fps, but it wasn't noticeably faster than the 1st gen Xeons(@88fps) on a 60hz monitor, so the Xeons can still hold their own, under certain settings. The Xeons are definitely good bang for the buck, with the caveat of all the points you've listed above. Cheers! David.

Thanks for the info! Damn that sucks. Which brand was it? My 12V connectors to my CPU power on my Gigabyte motherboard melted too, I guess they use cheap components and they can sometimes fail. Hopefully they learned from their mistakes. Cheers, David.