The final scene of the 1984 movie Dune, when Paul Atreides becomes the Kwisatz-Haderach or Hand of God, and makes it rain upon the desert planet Arakis.
There was no peace for the fremen. Being under oppression and constant theft of their resources is not peace. Aswell as resisting and fighting those oppressors, there was war. Only on Arrakis. There will be peace for the world one day. Maybe not europeans
The best interpretation I've read is that Paul made it rain as a demonstration of his power to destroy the worms but only made it rain on that one area...preserving the worms.
@@Radb707 to his people who had never felt rain like he had on his homeworld it must have been incredible and to have been a part of something that would go down in history and be remembered for 1000s of years must have been just as incredible
@Arclight104, I knew he seemed familiar! He was also in the short lived series “Agents of SHIELD” as a minor antagonist playing a character’s psychotic father.
@@dismalgravesite7763 not to them they don't, they love to blow each other up with every weapon imaginable, including some most humans wouldn't, like a weaponized exploding granny
In the books they set aside regions for the worms. It's not the entire planet that's transformed. The rain is one of the great scenes from Lynch's version that needs to go back in Alternative Edition Redux.
He only made it rain in Arrakeen as a demonstration of his power to destroy the spice, should he so wish, as a very effective threat to the emperor...effectively "MY empire, or none at all!"
The theme of the novels, and by extension this movie, is that once you rip individual thinking out of society (computers, inventors, etc) and revert to a feudalistic system, humanity is doomed to regress back to barbarism. The ending is exactly what it needed to be - a warning of slavishly following mystical dictators and the folly of evading individual rights. Also, the galactic civilization came to a screeching halt way before the movie started. A galactic feudalism is death.
I loved the movie and I loved the books, but one thing I didn't like in Lynch's movie is how they came at the subject of Paul's Jihad (My name is a killing word) but didn't finish the job. Part of the tragedy and danger of his awakening was that no matter which way he looked into the flow of time, his actions would unleash a holy war that would burn across the universe in his name.
Frank Herbert: Writes Dune with the core message of not putting all your faith in charismatic leaders and that no messiah is true. David Lynch: "soo let's give him weather control powers lol"
The whole point is that the movie lies to you. You see a message talking about peace in the background while you literally see Feyd's fresh corpse in the ground lmao
Paul (and family) do actually completely change the face of Arrakis and make the desert bloom, which is both what the Fremen always dreamed of and their undoing as a people. I don't think it's a problem that 1984-Dune condenses this idea to about 30 seconds at the end of the movie (especially if they were pretty sure no Dune Messiah movie would be hitting theaters anytime soon).
Honestly even after reading the books I still love this film. Seen the various cuts and director cuts that get close to Lynch vision, he did great job with the film in the circumstances. It really for me captured the terror of a messiah and being on the wrong side of a messiah wrath and powers along with costumes and sets are so gorgeous. The only thing outdated was some of the SFX but god some of the sets and costumes are so gorgeous. I am also pretty sure it David Lynch is take on The Greatest Story Ever Told film. Due to core cast from that in this and the beats. This film really impacted me and certainly still one of my favourite films.
It's also clear to me that he spent a decent amount of time in the Middle East. Paul seems like he's a mixed between the Prophet Mohammed and the awaited Mahdi that many Muslims are waiting for. And they mention things like Jihad. And one of the characters is named Farrokh, which is also Freddie Mercury's original name, though he was a Zoroastrian. And of course they mention things like Jihad. And the prophet was trying to equitable for his time and unite the desert tribes. And the people who joined him were similar to the people of Medina who joined the Meccans and augmented their army. It is all very clever, and the spice is replacing oil, obviously. Instead of him threatening to destroy oil supplies, it's some spice kind of like how spices were important in the Middle East centuries ago.
Totally agree, I’ve never understood the criticism this film got, loved it when it came out, love it now. Can’t wait to see the remake next week. Edit: I saw Denis Villeneuves remake earlier this week and it was amazing as well. Definitely need to see it at the Cinema though as the visuals and soundtrack are incredible.
@@QUINTUSMAXIMUS ... The Islamic references were already in the Dune novel. Frank Herbert had Islamic & Semitic friends so he probably got those ideas from them to write his Dune, starting in the late 1950's. David Lynch only used those words & references because they were already part of Dune. I don't think he ever visited the Middle East. Frank was also on set, helping Lynch & the screenwriters with the script along the way.
And so ended the Spice trade on Arakis. Hence forth those who desired spice would be forced to rely on roguish smugglers willing to make the Kessel Run in under 12 parsecs to provide them with their precious spicy fix
I am very fond of this version of Dune. It had its flaws, but it did a good job of projecting the religious overtones of the book. It had that touch of Cecil B De Mille's The Ten Commandments to it.
From a little known actor in 1984 to the Messiah and Emperor of the known universe 10,000 years later. "How can this be? For he is the Quisinart Hatrack."
nah he just drove him into the floor and broke it. If it had be Unrelenting Force it would ragdolled the dead body and everyone else all the wall across the room FUS Ro Maud’dib!
As a representative of the sandworm people, I must say that we completely disassociate ourselves from a movie production that is unable to represent our planet, our culture, and ultimately tries to sweep the sand under the carpet. A carpet that is clearly too small for the task. A Spice Girls concert would be a better option for a Saturday night.
@@gamerstheater1187 We have two options. A) The mind. Even without the spice we are able to manipulate less developed brains or simple office appliances. B) Our intestinal peristalsis. Through the latter we can even solve a superflip cube in less than 30 seconds. WE.DON'T.NEED.YOUR.HAND
actually " Kwisatz-Haderach" is a known phrase in in Hebrew . so it can loosely be translated as leap of the path ( better say , leaping easily over a path), or what i guess the author tried to say- leap to the next phase in Hebrew we use this phrase to describe a great progress that someone have made.
@@offlineraided Modern conversational Hebrew is a revised version of ancient Hebrew, with new words (some coming from different languages) to describe newer things that didn't exist 2000 years ago...but not like Yiddish, which is a hybrid of Hebrew and Middle German
Seek out Alternative Edition Redux. Needs picture and sound tweaks and missing the great rain scene, but otherwise finally getting to see what Lynch envisioned.
Frank Herbert: wanted to show the dangers of fanaticism and warn against worshipping charismatic leaders. David Lynch: “One cannot go against the word of God!”
Zack Snyder: this guy ubderstand me. Gods deserve respect! In my dune Paul would have beeig the messiah too with slow mo and lens flares in the back ground.
That much rainfall on that terrain would be devastating. The time to saturation would be so short that floods would drown a lot of the people that can't swim or don't have boats or can't reach higher ground
Some days I feel like the only person who LIKES this movie. I was only 10 when it came out. What did I know of the troubled production? I just thought it was epic... and I still do.
@@russellthompson9271 If you "hate crappy remake" that you are definetly not know source material, the "Dune" book on which David Lynch movie just spits and new movie adapts more faightul. Even Dune 2000, which has budget of two sandwiches, I guess, makes better job at adapting book
@@ДенисБалыков-щ8ф There's a difference between being faithful to a book and doing a good adaptation. Yes, Dune 2000 followed the books closer than any other adaptations (including the new ones which changed so much), but that doesn't make it a higher quality adaptation. If you only care for an adaptation to follow a book to a T, you're missing the point.
I started watching Twin Peaks a week ago and I was like, hey, it's Paul! Then I looked at who directed Dune and all made sense. I never paid attention that Lynch directed this movie lol
Water is deadly to sandworms. Rain will kill the spice cycle, stranding every human colony across the known universe, throwing mankind into a new dark age with no space travel. That version of Paul is even less heroic than the one in the books, and yet displays him most triumphantly. It's either Lynch's biggest misunderstanding or best set-up middle finger, but either way, it's hilarious.
Actually a great film adaptation of an immensely influential work of science fiction. If a bit disjointed and choppy in spots, they did an admirable job with incredibly intricate and complex material. The film, however, admittedly makes the mistake of assuming far too much of a knowledge base on the part of the viewer. If you've read and absorbed the novels, you know exactly what is going on, even with the unavoidable gaps forced by the constraints of squeezing an encompassing epic into a two and a half hour film. To the uninitiated, it was a muddled and unintelligible mess, and many who saw the movie simply had no idea what in the living hell was going on at any point. This l have to admit was understandable, as much as l love the source material and appreciate the film.
When I saw this in the theater at initial release, they handed out cheat sheets (from the filmmakers) with names, houses, and definitions of commonly used terms to help make sense of things to first timers. Wish I had had the good sense to hold onto mine.
I have the DVD and it is theatrical version, the only version that has Lynch as the director, and the rain scene is in it. The other versions were for TV and are Alan Smithee. The scenes show here are actually from an alternate version. In Lynch's version, when we zoom into Paul's eyes, we see the oceans of his home planet. The rain scene is also much shorter. Some theatre version had cuts in it due to ratings, but obviously rain wouldn't be cut for ratings.
The rain scene is absolutely terrible and wasn't part of Lynch's original vision for the film. I wonder what brainless studio moron thought this was a good idea.
Rain in one area of the planet wouldn't kill all of the worms on Dune. I don't think its assumed that its raining everywhere on the planet. Even in the latter books something like 80% of the planet becomes green while the worms still exist in 20%.
"How can this be? For he is the Kwisatz-Haderach, Give-A-Dog-A-Bone." Lol, all joking aside, this ending is epic, especially when the theme kicks in after the thunder.
@@Ddon98801 I never watched this movie in its entirety and I only remember bits and pieces of that, but what I do know it in the recent films, Paul does become Fremen.
Knowing the lore of the sandworm, I just realize that last scene is paul massacring the entire population of sandworm in Arrakis - essentially dooming the universe.
I just finished the Spice Diver Edition fan edit of Dune (on RU-vid) and I found it to have the best narrative of any version of the movie I've ever seen, and it doesn't change the book by raining at the end, which would kill the sand worms. That version I can safely recommend to anyone without fear of letting them down with a seriously flawed movie...I can finally call the movie a masterpiece... AND it's right here on RU-vid!
I have yet to see the Spice Diver version nor the new 2021 version, but how would the Diver version compare to the Villeneuve 2021 version? I had read the Dune novel in 1983 so I knew what was going on when I saw the movie in 1984.
@@robwebnoid5763 Believe it or not, the Spicediver version holds up very well to the new movie. Thufir and Gurney are given less time in the new movie and then just disappear (but new Duncan is better), and so far no guild navigators. Also, Spicediver gives Paul and his father more time together, hence a deeper relationship. Leto actually lives past 90 minutes into it. Of course, things could change after part 2 and all the new character reveals (in a couple of years), but I'm definitely returning to Spicediver on a regular basis... And I do prefer the new Chani...
@@HawkKing2000 ... Would this be the one? : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vJykw3H4PDw.html I hope it doesn't get blocked although it seems have survived on YT for a year.
@@robwebnoid5763 Actually, it just got blocked, but a newer HD version is now up. I recommend everyone download it while you can. Otherwise, I'm sure it's on torrent... Here... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-faHQA_0d9Mo.html
You know alot of people said this movie was shit but when It came out when I was a kid i loved it. I still do because it's part of a nostalgic memory for me.
The Fremen have the catchbasins of water waiting to terraform and stuff. But they are careful not to kill off the worms with it. Saving it at the Arrakis Dime Water Debt Savings Bank for the right day.....
I know the sonic stuff was all Lynch but fuck it...yelling at Sting and causing him to crack him and the floor open like an egg is EPIC. “Usul no longer needs the weirding module” is one of my favorite lines as well.
Of course the new version is FANTASTIC. But Lynch told the story in 2 hours, and I still love it, and all of its quirkiness. "Put the pick in there pete. Turn it round really neat!"
@@polemerosPC because they had too many women for you? I wouldn't even say it's boring, even if you don't like it, it's hard to call it boring. And CGI isn't automatically bad, and it's used well in the movies (hell, the novels portray and removal of societal growth like computers as a bad thing, so it's not like it's going against Frank's wishes by having computers involved in making an adaptation).
Probablemente la lluvia fue un capricho del estudio para que tuviera un final contundente y no hacer otra pelicula temiendo lo peor, y eso peor fue lo que provocaron con el final ya que no tiene sentido por varias razones: no pasa eso en el libro, Paul no tenia esa facultad, los gusanos moririan y no tendrian más especia.
Years,years later,a man had sat down somewhere in the dunes. A broken man,older,the mans eyes were spice blue,he was paul. Usul,paul muad,dib. Or once known...as paul atreides. The kwizats haderach was in sorrow. He failed. His plan to stop all this madness while working with the fremen,failed. Death would claim him soon enough. But as paul sat,he had visions...oh the visions...at 1st he viewed them indifferently,a tool. But he couldn't stop. He couldnt control his visions. And now... all is lost. Paul would then see someone. Or possibly halucinate. His father,leto. Paul looked at the stars and spoke "I can't stop it......so this is how it ends....." As pauls visions came,he saw futher. The great future...and the many comings of duncan. His brother almost to him and smirked "Dont worry guys....im coming home." Paul passed out. He need but will himself to live. But didnt. Upon the verdant world of dune...paul would be silent. And the kwizats haderach would die. But not without knowing...the future of dark omens...
This movie's haters don't get that the movie is not enslaved to the novel, herbert liked it, and while the book is political, the movie is very mystical and religious, it's another experience entirely, as it should be, literal people are always so blind to visual brilliance.
But fans of this movie claim that it is book accurate 🥴 New adaptations made some minor changes compared to this one with rain and Paul that look like real messiah, but Lynch fans cannot stop talking about how much more book accurate this version is because Chani here is “prettier” and obey to Paul. Lynch did not just changed some details and story lines, he changed the whole idea of the story. Paul is not Messiah and Dune is not his happy revenge story. This adaptation is beautiful and ugly at the same time. To me ugly side is more prominent for others beautiful side is more noticeable.
@@zzz7103 no they don't, it isn't, totally, the book is political, this movie is religous and spiritual,(which I prefer), people always complained about that, BUT it captures the spirit of the book way better except for the real messiah that lynch presents here, besides, the point is not about THIS being book accurate (plenty of it is there, though), the point is, it's an actual beautiful film with great atmosphere, unlike whatever dennis villanueve did with his grey drab movie full of hans zimmer slop, which fans of insist IS book accurate to the detriment of this one, which is unfair, and it's not even half the movie this is. Anyway, keep being delusional.
@@cesarcampos8746”the book is political” exactly, so RESPECT its political statement instead of twisting it into something that directly undermines the point it was making by saying the complete opposite.
The ending scene shows him bringing the weather conditions of caladan to arrakis by folding space. Plus he wears the cape of Drago Museveni. This version spits on the new dune
@@skanalakaa140Well, apart from the fact that they just killed all the worms by making it rain on Arrakis, and the film completely missing the point of the book by making Paul a good guy.
I don't really know the story,I never read the book,but visually the first dune was amazing.the new movie has so much grey,it's just dull looking at it especially after what I see in the first dune movie.
My friend used to tell me that he swore at the end they called him, and I quote,”the shit sack hat rack”. I eventually went back for a watch to find that obviously was not the case, the world was a little darker that day, hell, a little quieter even, and I was really saddened.
@@Zodroo_TintYou see, the fact that Paul's big messiac term is bunch of nonsense words that sound closer to an insult is an intentional choice by Frank Herbert to further the critique og messianic figures, to show how religious organizations have so much power, they can make the name of a religious figure "shit sack hat rack" and no-one will bat an eye, and will still worship him. But deadass, iirc, it was a Hebrew term.
Paul did not just kill Feyd here, he erased his soul, completely deatroyed him, he no longer exists, not even in genetic memory. That is why everybody is so shocked at Paul after he used his power.
@ExtremeSquared Genetic memory is a thing in Dune where people can access their past lives experiences, even talk to them. It is what makes some people so powerful in that they have hundreds of lives to draw experiences from. Paul completely erased Faye from existence, even genetic memory.
As many have said, this wasnt the most faithful to the books, but despite that i loved this movie. Its still one of the best movies ive ever seen. Saw the new dune not too long ago, it was also good but this will remain my favorite.
David Lynch Dune movie didnt fail because it didnt have enough budget (45 millions dollars) for more special effects. It failed because the director and script writers didnt understand the main theme of the book of anti-hero/messiah/mahdi message ... We can testify how Paul Muaddib admits for his failures in Dune Messiah in bringing peace to the galaxy. Moreover, the final rain scene nullifies the ecological theme in Dune saga. Unless someone reads the totality of Frank Herbert Dune Saga, he would fail to successfully turn this wonderful literary work into an epic motion picture. Best of luck Denis Villeneuve
people try to make sense out of someones vision of the future, whether book or film. why not just appreciate the art and the vision the writer created, its fiction, it has no requirement to make sense.
