Dune 2 Part 2 Review (SPOILER VERSION) 

Did they take that for the Life of Brian?

cinema laughed at those moments lmao

Stilgar was hilarious the entire time

"Only the Messiah would say he's not the Messiah!"

Lol he believed what he wanted to

Roger Yuan as Lieutenant Lanville. He’s a longtime martial artist and stuntman. I think he coordinated a lot of the stunts and fights in both films.

​@@WisdomThumbsYes, he was one of the fight choreographers for both films.

I did *not* notice that. Thanks for pointing it out!

I thought I had seen him before in part 1, I was sure of it. Good catch.

He really went down giving the Atreides the reputation as fighters that they deserve.

She comes to a point of expecting utter obedience.

​@@joythought I get the feeling that alia's manipulating everybody

@@TheMarkmcrABOMINATION!

@@TheMarkmcrwell, she is just like her grandpa.

@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 the baron didn't seem interested in galactic genocide. I don't even think he cared about the imperial throne

But it also means Paul went from novice teenager to warrior god that knows all the Freman ways within a matter of months.

@@AllenSmitheit is written “He shall know your ways”

@@timtim6373 I mean, sure, but he still had to learn, and it was quite awhile before he finally rode a worm. Its not like the book has him just drop in and be a pro.

There was nothing "regular adult" about her, she was flat out freakish and terrifying. I agree with you, but I think it would've been even more too Out There for audiences than even you we're seeming to suggest.

@@WallKenshiro there's a difference between distracting and off putting. Alia the character is meant to be off putting, she's barely a toddler yet talks, acts, and moves like an adult and is even willing to kill. However I feel like that would be lost somewhat if they had to CGI her into the film, people would think what they found off putting was the CGI and look of her and less so about the fact that this is a toddler fully conscious and aware.

That shit was so funny 🤣 whole theater was dying laughing

Pyyhonesque.

Right? "Life of Brian" had John Cleese saying lines to 100% the same extent!

@@chrismalinowski654Definitely: there was plenty of chuckling and outright laughter in our theatre, too.

monty pithon sayed in some funy movie that only true prophet voude denied he is true prophet lol

I wonder if Feyd's test was to keep his hand out of the box.

Not until you mentioned it

​@@kennethferland5579"ok, you passed the test, now, get the hand out of the box... get your hand out the box... GET YOUR DAMN HAND OUT OF THE DAMN BOX *PULLS WITH ALL OF HER STRENGTH"

Definitely. It's happened to me too.

​@@teddunay6227😂😂

lmao real

i'd guess she used it to just disarm feyd and keep him from harming her

You have to remember that her mission was not only to secure the bloodline, but to determine whether the Bene Gesserit would be able to control him in future.

@@evan12697 I wish SHE had played Princess Irulan.

@@elizabethhuber434 fair honestly

Agreed and it will make his character arc in Messiah even more tragic once he realises his mistake.

Stilgar was perfectly casted Javier Bardem is exactly what I envisioned when reading the books

My favourite line in the book is pretty late in when Paul is talking to Stilgar and he internally thinks "I have lost a friend and gained a follower" (not verbatim) and I think the film perfectly captures that transition over the runtime.

Horror? That’s probably not the correct word to use.

@@MrsTruthTeller horror seems like the perfect word to use.

shiiiiit

Bruh.....🤯

As he kills him, the Baron is also trying to crawl out of danger, exactly what the Gom Jabbar test is checking that you won't do, so there's a visual layer to the reference too.

Hello sir, do you frequent P&R?

I feel stupid for not making this connection

I loved the scene when Paul walked into the building where the emperor was. It comes just after the scene where he walks through thousands of fremen and the big fight. And he has his hood on and it seems to effing sinister how he looks at all the people. It’s perfect. Loved that scene

@@mayatrash Like a SIth Lord

Minus the spoonfed Chani fight focus and the mask lifting face reveal. It felt way too Marvely

I’d say it’s the other way around. Great pacing to start, then final third Paul goes from being untrusted by Fremen to Messiah in minutes, little exposition given to him drinking the water of life and there wasn’t much motivation given for the holy war.

The entire movie is like that. This film suffers from almost being amazing but never quite getting there

​@@TurboMintyFreshwhaaaat

Abomination!

Abomination

Yeah, I liked how she was like: "Pffft, abomination (ಠ_ಠ)ノ" about it.

Yeah, but isn’t alia supposed to be the abomination, not Paul?

Yeah no, it was a pair of the moment thing. You’re the type to be like “the author choose the shade of blue for his walls to represent his and that” while no, the walls were just blue 💀

hopefully they'll throw some start wars references in next, like the Baron can say "NO ALIA, I AM YOUR GRANDFATHER" and Alia can go "Noooooo!" haha. classic reference (it's from something else but I recognize it)

Brilliant ​@@blank4227

"Bring out yer dead!"

"He's not the messiah he's just a naughty boy!"

"We use the voice to say, 'NIH'!"

I don't think he does directors cuts

@@stewartwooles8900 For THIS movie, if he does a bit of research and finds a potential audience, he needs to do one from the many days of available content that couldn't fit inside 2.5 hours.

There’s a book…

Denis ain’t Zack Snyder lol

No it does not.

Nice catch! I thought it felt just slightly out if place, and that would explain its insertion and extra focus.

Oh my god you genius

😂 true

Life of brian reference. Villenueve you hack!

This is reddit. This is memes.

The translation for lisan al gaib has me ded

​@@davidyin5831 Hahahaha! Who said oral isn't natural? Not the Lisan al Gaib!

Paul has a line, "Now we are Harkonan." This one line shows the core premise of Dune and Dune Messiah.

literally the same shot ugh so good

Yeah I loved that - it really brings everything full circle. As Chani says 'who will our new oppressors be.'

Wouldn't the fremen reuse tge water from the dead bodies instead of burning them?

@@cklambo corruption begins with small steps...

It makes sense, since the North is essentially Colonized. So they are more "Progressive" while the Southerners are more detached from the rest of the Universe.

I didn't like that about his performance. Everything was stellar for me until he started talking like the baron. The character should have been portrayed like it was but maybe he could gone more sociopathic/seducing on his voice instead of ruthless like the baron.

He gave me Jared Leto Joker vibes tbh

His voice was legit identical, just younger. I think that was an on-the-nose attempt to let you know Fayd was the Baron's _actual_ heir.

Loved his performance, was kinda sad when he's finally defeated.

⁠@@emilianohermosilla3996 I don’t think his voice really matches Feyd that well, but I liked it and got used to it. But I do think it’s interesting and realistic that a son has a slightly similar voice to his father

Honestly a really complex line to end the film on (i know it wasnt the final line) felt like the locks on a bank vault being shut never to be reopened

Movie only fan here. During that scene the Freman board some space ship, does they just hijack the emperor's Saudakar ship or it's their own?

@@zainiikhwan9405they hijack all the emperors ships and begin the jihad across the galaxy

​@@zainiikhwan9405They hijack the ships and start the Jihad

@@ShaktiChaturvedi Which would be impossible - or wouldn't take them very far - without the support of the Guild.

But Paul never told her about what he could "see" now. Would she have believed him?

@@benjalucian1515he did! He told her he saw that if he went south, he would lose her and cause the death of billions

@@ROVA00 No, I mean did he tell her that due to his taking the Water of Life he can now see the future and the past? Making general statements apparently wasn't convincing to her. Did she think he was lying? She knows he has nightmares of the war. Did she think the nightmares were just nightmares?

@@benjalucian1515 true , good point

In the book, she is fully onboard with Paul being he messiah, and loves lady jessica. She wanted to fight for him. She even had her own future vision while indulging in the Spice 'party' after Jessica became Reverend Mother. This adaptation reduced her to a 'skeptic', instead of the daughter of a person who spent their life trying to change Arrakis, and her's loving and believing in Paul. Hell, she even pushed Paul into marrying Irulan.

“Any man who must say ‘I am the king’ is no true king” - Tywin Lannister

He's not the Messiah! He's a very naughty boy!

He's not the messiah, He's just a naughty boy.

Was laughing out loud

"He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"

Yeah, I loved that detail on Giedi Prime. A black and white world during day time.

Was awesome

Paint splotches for fireworks. I wish they had shown similar attention to Kaitain.

I heard they used infrared cameras for that scene!

The Geidi Prime scene give me nightmare. Guess the environment where you grow really make you....

Personally I found this part stupid, Jessica tells Chani if she doesn't do it he will die, and she is like "I don't feel like it". Jessica makes her do it, saves Paul and then she gets upset when it works! She needs to be literally forced to do the only thing that would save the life of the person she apparently loves.

If only she were a better actress, it would have been clearer that while she loves him she is scared of what will become of him if he wakes up. ​@@Blandy0487

​@@Blandy0487tell me you don't understand her inner struggle without telling me you don't understand her inner struggle lmao She suspected (correctly) what would happen if she helped him trough it, and the fact that she was manipulated to decide that right there and then by Jessica, made her that more reluctant. It's one thing to save a person you love, it's a completely different thing if that person also happens to be the leader of a galaxy wide holy crusade, promising billions dead.

@@Talossy Your reasoning is backward, she didn't know at that time it would result in billions of deaths, and being forced to do something doesn't make her reluctant, it had the exact opposite effect You can't tell me your reaction with the one you love from going omg he's definitely going to die, to oh he's actually okay would be, face slap and storm off I understand the inner turmoil, it was just handled poorly, like most of the movie

@@Blandy0487 I never said she KNEW it lmao, but you are definitely not giving her enough credit. And yes, forcing a person to make a decision on the spot is definitely going to influence what they decide. Also, don't tell me you don't get how a person can be angry at someone they love. If you had a son who rode a motorcycle extremely recklessly all the time and got into an accident, how would you react? First you would be glad they are okay and then you'd be pissed at them for risking their life. I know I'm oversimplifying, and in Chani's circumstances there were even more factors influencing her feelings about Paul, so her reaction is completely understandable.

Perhaps she is pregnant at the end. Their First Child dies in the Books. Maybe that brings her back to Paul. For Safety reasons, due to her being attacked and Baby killed.

exactly. In the first movie he was a kid who's father had died and who lost everything. In the second movie he was a prophet with a huge army of fanatics behind him and magical powers

@@charlesreid9337 🎯

Agreed. In Dune 2 he's required to extend more by the story.

I actually loved the growth of Paul's character from part 1 to 2. The struggle he goes through to understand this world he's being thrust into, how you serve little moments of him accepting his power. I love the line at the end of part 1 where he says, " my road leads into the desert, if you'll have us, we will come" Very Messiah like, I got chills. Then throughout 2 you see him more and more understand where he must go, fighting it all the way until he takes the water of life. Once he knows the path, the confidence and power he steps into it fully. Excited to see the evolution and the devotion of him in Messiah.

100% agree with this

what about the navigators guild? they were in on it

In the 1984 movie....yes In the book i think there was a certain report in the Appendix, about the Guild "seeing a knot in the future" or something of the kind. But that was all​@@araf4t

So your second point is why I believe that they decided to completely nix most of the political scheming of the first book, but I still think it does a disservice to the story because it cheapens the depth of the plot.

I believe that the BG were reluctant participants to the atreides demise in the book. The BG loved to manipulate rather than to destroy. Emperors throughout human history were known to remove potential challengers to their power because they were becoming popular.

​@@dartheria7914you're correct, great deviation from the source material cheapens it

Another full circle: how paul kills Feyd is a callback to the scene in the first movie where Gurney is training Paul and Paul thinks he won, only to be revealed that he would have “joined him in death.”

While funny it definitely made me think Paul was doing it to be fake humble, knowing it was a gamble in his favor to win over the fremen

This was before he drank the All Syrup Super Squishy, so he probably wasn't faking it at that time.

I IMMEDIATELY thought the same thing about the Life of Brian when I saw that scene. I kept thinking “a shoe! He gave a sign with his shoe!”

"Only the true Messiah denies his divinity!" "What? Well what sort of chance does that give me? ALRIGHT I AM THE MESSIAH!"

@@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 "See! He is the Messiah!"

So glad you said this I 1000% agree

He scared me. That's how well acted that part was.

Chalamet knocked it out of the park with his performance. The complete 180 in his attitude after drinking the waters of life was intense.

Agreed, loved it , he fully accepted the his fate as the leader

@@ngojems The moment he drank the water of life, he became something different. Like the same happened to Jessica. They kinda stop being understandable characters and fully become like halfgods with nothing in their minds except plans within plans within plans, doing exactly what they have to do to get their desirable outcome.

Muad'dib isn't just a reference to the kangaroo mouse, I think. Totally agree with your analysis, I love it, but Muad'dib has some not-so-humble symbolism too. Muad'dib is the name of the smaller one of Arrakis' two moons, because it has a geological feature that resembles the mouse. It is also the name of a constellation visible from Arrakis. That constellation is the reason why the Fremen call Muad'dib as the 'One Who Points The Way', because it's tail is oriented towards the north when seen on Arrakis.

The best laid plans of mice and men gang aft agley

Yo, you went crazy on this analysis and I agree completely. Wow.

yes, that scene was incredible. and evil Jessica was a good choice.

Because she fell in love with Leto, and has revenge in her heart and only cares about Paul, not about the potential deaths of BILLIONS... Love, revenge, and connection, is an absolutely horrific mix for a Benne...

The Bene Gesserit implanted myths and legends everywhere in case one of them was stranded and in danger. So, of course, it would mean tools to manipulate the people there.

How are so many people seeing it early?

@@stillnotchill2560fan fest screening on sunday night in select imax theaters in the US.

yeah it got a laugh at my showing too.

Same

Same here 😂

I thought it a reference to "life of brian" 😅😅

Monty Python

How did he pass it in the book, if you don’t mind answering?

@@vladyakubets I'm pretty certain that there was no gom jabbar test for Feyd in the book

No such test appears in the book - and the film doesn't show how he passed the test. The only possible reason that might be deduced from the Lady Fenring's statement that he loves pain.

​@vladyakubets we don't know if he was tested

@@DoddyIshamelWell, we saw the box and the gom jabar, so it is most likely.

Lovely change from the book and a nice reminder of the pre-training moment back on Caladan.

I teared up a little bit "you young pup!" Awh! Such a sweet line ❤

As soon as I saw the smugglers I immediately knew what was happening. My face was nothing but grin. ...and then we got Gurney strumming his baliset!

I felt bad for gurneys workers. They blew up his carry all and disabled his harvester :(

I like that he didn't right away say "PAUL!" Like they do in other movies. He was like stunned for a solid 10 seconds like a real person would be. I really liked that little nuance.

Giving book readers the full presience experience, just like Paul before taking the Water of Life.

That was a nice detail. He Subverted that line in the Book. Because that Path in the book would have seen Paul joining the Harkonens.

This is making my brain itch I need to open up my copy

That's sort of the entire point of the Kwisatz Haderach.

The whole movie changes after this. I had the feeling that at this point, Paul stops being the focal point through which we see the story and the view changes to Chani. We don’t see Paul fighting during the final assault, we see Chani charging together with the Fedaykin. Paul becomes cold and distant, and I feel like we see him through her eyes for the final part of the movie.

@@biseinerheult78 yeah. I can see that.

Chani is the conscience of the last part of the movie. She hasn't changed but the people around him are no longer exactly Fremen but are becoming "the faithful".

In the book, Paul got a glimpse of what could be. Now he knows he's picking between horrible futures.

Paul is actually protecting Chani. But you will probably see that in the next movie(ofc, you can always read Dune: Messiah and find out yourself)

No, Paul was already doing that well enough with his self awareness and anxiety he expresses toward his visions and then there's Stilgar's growing zealotry and fanaticism. Og Chani would know well that Paul's marriage to Irulan means nothing but a means to an end. Why bother with having Zendaya shouting 'muh slavery' to the audience? I hated every scene with fake Chani

@@wangusbeef86 I’ve never read the books but I’m not sure what people’s gripe with her is. I mean just because you know it’s just a means to an end doesn’t make what he’s doing less hurtful? Paul is essentially sending her people off to war and she’s supposed to be happy about it because there’s nothing she can do anyway? Like I don’t get it. If you agree that Paul’s inner feelings about what he’s doing indicates that not even he likes his actions why is it bad that Chandi is upset by what Paul’s doing? It makes no sense.

@@darrickfranklin7096 In the books she's literally a super supportive Arwen style side character love interest. She's just sort of there. She was turned into an actual character in this film. not like the book version at all.

@@darrickfranklin7096 It may or may not be hurtful but keep in mind that Chani belongs to a culture that is very different from modern day, Fremen have been mentally conditioned to think differently about life and social relations due to their extreme environment, that's why its kinda taboo for them to cry for their dead. And for Chani she's aware enough of the conventions of their feudal system to know what a political only marriage entails, even in the ending of the book even Jessica comments about their similarity with her being Leto's true wife despite being labeled a concubine for outside appearances. So don't let the other guy in the comments diminish what Chani actually was in the books - she has way more depth than meets the eye, that should tell how much that other guy actually paid attention to the source material.

I didn't like Chani in this, too much whining for a Fremen, and as someone else pointed out she would understand the need for it all, infact in the second book Chani tries to get Paul to impregnate Irulan just to keep her happy.

Yeah the movie kind of played it up like that. Same idea as Neo at the end of the Matrix. It's not really how the books go down tho.

Ouch, yes that's a good observation. In a sense the atreides become tainted by spice going forward

That’s not a palace though - that’s just a tent haha

I think the movie is shedding some old tropes. The king/emperor is stereotypically decadent and incredibly cruel. Do we really need to see that shown again. The director is giving the audience a little more credit than the typical Hollywood fare.

@@matadorprincess To me it conveyed that the message he received deeply disturbed him and he left in a hurry for Arrakis

Was that building not there already?

@@gutzz1519 its fabricated on the sand field outside of the big city.

Was thinking the same thing. Everyone is gushing over Stilgar or how improved Chalamets performance was - but Princess Irulan definitely blew me away. Very different from how I imagined her character reading the books but somehow this is THE definitive Irulan to me.

Loved it even more when I realized she had been the lead in Midsommar!

I didn't rate her performance that much - I feel like the first book does her dirty by not giving her much agency. If they do Messiah and have Irulan back then I'd be excited to see how Pugh can build on what she is given

@@disseminationnetwork Florence Pugh folks! We got the best of a generation in this film! And let’s not forget we also have Anya Taylor-Joy as Aaliyah!

@@adamstern5116 - Alia

I mean, it doesn't verge too far away from the book idea that Irulan might be Paul's spouse, but Chani will forever be his wife. And all Irulan will ever get is her scholarly pursuits, and her position besides Paul. No more than even that.

I don't think they needed to do that to Chani, it's such a departure from who/what she really is to Paul. I mean, they did change/expand other characters but they kept the core essence. E,g. Feyd was changed but he is still the anti-Paul and his opponent in the end, so the changes made sense to set him up; Alia is different but her and Jessica are still these mystical, powerful figures that commit to the prophecy; I can even tolerate Stilgar's changes (though they made him recite from Monty Python Life of Brian), because ultimately he is a believer and follows Paul to the end. But Chani in this movie is just... awful. She's devoted to Paul and is a willing mother to his children. In this version she's just there to spoonfeed the audience what the message of the movie is and add more unneeded drama. So now instead of a tragedy, a victim of Paul's machinations, she's now a mouthpiece and a caricature.

@@ramflight hm... I don't know about if they needed to do it but I certainly really liked it and appreciate the repercussions those changes meant for the story. I do disagree about herecomming of as a caricature and a mouth piece, she's still a very well realised character, she's just different from the books but does not compromise the themes and the purpose so imo, it works. It was a well considered change.

@@ramflight I guess the biggest challange now is how Villenuve will bridge into Messiah. Cuz we have to believe it when Chani finally comes around to Paul's pov. But if its done successfully and not forced it could add even more interesting complexities to the movie version.

Tbh chani would have been boring if she revered him like stilgar

That line was funny

It only makes sense that way. It helps to disguise the true capabilities of the BG. Therefore the scenes with Lady Fenring are a great counterpart. Fenring doesn't show the breadth of her power or control but we get a glimpse of some aspects of her subtly. I missed not getting something with her husband as those two are just two of the most fun anti-heroes in the Dune series.

That explanation makes a lot of sense.

OOOH that's what that was. Awesome.

Ugh. Zendaya was the worst part of the film. Bad acting. So much pouting. Perfectly clean skin when everyone else is filthy.

@@Borodin410 Zendaya was incredible in this film I don't know which film you watched

I watched the one were she just scowled the whole time, with perfect make-up, while every other Fremen looked filthy. That was her entire character. @@curlymcdom

@@Borodin410you scream “racist” lol and I’m someone who doesn’t use that word lightly.

This👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾✊🏾🫡👍🏾🔥🤣🤣🤣😆 absolutely agree! lmao

Could’ve just said you agree

@@Lion-O-Richie2040 and you can mind your own business lmao

@@Lion-O-Richie2040 Sure, but he was more entertaining than that.

Sure. But why would Chani ever trust Irulan like she seems to in the book? She's a freeman warrior! no way she would just stepped aside, let alone allow her anywhere near her body while carrying Paul's child

He really nailed it. I'm not sure if the movie captured Jessica's fear at seeing how effective he'd become and the realisation of what she'd help create. At the start she said the "Slow down..." line and after that I don't recall if her reaction was shown again.

It was spine tingling.

That scene was so jarring, it really demonstrates his change in character after drinking the waters of life, and his acceptance of his terrible purpose.

Honestly, that speech had me wanting to take on the Emperor and kick dome Sardaukar ass.

In this version I think it's a question of whether he accepts his purpose OR reconciles with the truth of his pitiless Harkonen ancestry and truly is fighting as a Harkonen with only that ruthless and remorseless pragmatism in mind guiding him to 'victory.'

Agreed, especially Chani. I think Denis made her character way more nuanced and interesting

@@orbituaryI was a little put off at first to the changes to CHani, just because I am resistant to changes in adaptions, but I do really think it improved her character in this movie and will continue to improve it in Messiah

​@@boccci any time a creator can add more moral complexity to a story, I'm generally all for it. I think it makes it feel closer to our reality, as that's how I view much of our world; not in black and white, but in shades of grey

​@@orbituaryhonestly all she did was a frumpy face for 2/3 of her screentime. I was very confused at that choice, the movie already seemed too short and so much time was wasted on her frumpy face

Still feel some changes were a bit drastic. Still come part 3 hopefully it will make sense. Do you still think it will lead up to Paul having a son as God Emperor or do you think Dennis is gonna skip all that since he said Messiah would be the last book he adapts?

Right. Raban is a coward. He's fleeing and Gurney catches him. Would I personally like see a longer, fight ,yeah totally, but time in a movie format....that's why these stories really need to be told episodically, Game of Thrones style. 😁

I’m thinking if you’re going to run, then run. I you wanted to make a brave stand, you would have done it in the Emperor’s throne room.

Best Raban. They made him a character

@@RoccofanI dunno. I’ll have to see it again, but in the emperor’s throne room they were significantly outnumbered. At the getaway ‘thopter on that platform, wasn’t it Gurney vs. Rabban and a handful of Harkonnen lackeys backing him up?

@@rutherfordappraisal258 All he had to do was walk onto the craft and live to fight another day. Also, I loved the way the mighty Saudaukar just folded like napkins when all 110lbs of Zendaya showed up to shred them two at a time. Lol

I wonder why we didnt see his visions as much as we did from the 1st movie. Do you think he had no visions after the Agony or he did have visions but they didnt affect him ?

​@@PizzaPartify I wondered that too, I think Denis wanted to leave it a bit more ambiguous so people who haven't read the book wouldnt know what's coming in messiah. Non readers likley have this vision of "hes the hero" not realizing what's to come. His visions were also much clearer after the agony, rather than glimpses of paths he now sees clear paths/possibilities and knows exactly what to do

@@oroboros88 I hated that I KNEW what he saw, I HEARD what he said about what he saw but we didn't SEE what HE saw ! The "A war in my name!" scene from the 1st movie is the best scene from the 1st film imho. I wanted more of this in the second movie

It really needed another hour. I needed thirty more minutes between Paul and Chani, and Paul becoming the Lisan al-Ghaib

Would have loved a longer battle scene at the end. I know the Fremen are superior to the Sardukar in every way, but at least make the Gurney-Rabban fight epic if you are gonna include it

The more time I've had to reflect the more I agree. I'm still happy with the movie overall but the last third of the movie could have used more time to breathe. I hope we get an extended cut eventually, though that seems unlikely.

You want the Sci-fi Channel Mini Series my friend

​@@briankamstra2454they wasted about 15 collective friggin minutes on Zendaya doing a frowny face throughout the entire movie. No battles for you, only grumpy face Zendaya

Omg same. My jaw actually dropped

Ya all those scenes were sooooo striking. Not just regular black and white it was this milky white that looked insane. The sand worm scene too was fucking nuts. I’m so glad I got to see it in theatres bc the sound design on that scene with the music and everything really had me feeling like I was actually riding a sand worm.

@@mechadonia my favorite part about that scene was that the movie found a reason within the story itself to make the shot black and white. While Oppenheimer did black and white for dramatic effect well, having an internal justification to use it just made it so much cooler and allowed to play with the colors transitioning into black and white (not sure if the infrared? sun is in the book also but probably I guess?) either way, such a cool concept

It's not just black and white - it's infrared shifted to black and white.

Yes yes yes, I was so confused why Paul’s visions weren’t in the movie it makes it really unclear whether he can actually see the future or he is delusional and on one giant lsd trip

As some one who is movie only right now, the 2nd point was addressed for me in the dialogue.. Paul said he could see many paths and there was one that could work.. So I took that as him saying he could see infinite paths.

Jamis?

@@Fyre0 “I was a friend of Jamis”

@@Maya_RuinzIn your original comment you wrote "Jarvis", like the Iron man AI haha. I think that's what the other person was commenting about

@@canIeaturcarrots That’s what I was thinking as well lol yea I didn’t catch that typo.

The guild: "Yall getting used??"

Thufir Hhawat: Does this mean I didn't die?

We might see more of them in Dune Messiah

@@Megaspartan23 Too late. They were crucial at this instance.

I think a lot of stuff missing from part 2 is being saved for messiah-the guild, the ecological transformation, Alia, a deeper look at prescience, the creation of spice, maybe even Chani's parents? It just seems like Denis has separated out concepts to fit neatly into each of the three movies

Denis swore not to release the director's cut

@@d1want34then at least some deleted scenes on dvd (if they even still release movies on dvd)

​@@GoErikTheRedunfortunately he swore those will never be released as well.

But why? ​@@JCDenton3

@@uvuvwevwevweossaswithglasses Villenueve has said many times once he finishes a film it is set in stone. And piece of it he cuts out hurts him so much he destroys them completely and swears them. It is pretty weird behavior honestly, he's the only director I know like that, but it is how he is with all of his movies. So no Dune deleted scenes or extended edition will ever come out.

You mean you shouldn't show a prescient main character's vital visions as or after he's experiencing them in a visual medium?! You're kidding right? Villeneuve had all the money he needed to do this book justice and he took the most streamlined, bare bones approach possible.

​@@humbleopulencein my opinion that's the best way possible to do it. We don't NEED to see what the characters see, but we need to FEEL what they feel, which I think was done perfectly in both part 1 and 2. Besides, it would be impossible to show the scope of what he saw in his visions, so why bother?

@@humbleopulence thats a feature, not a bug

@@humbleopulence Isn't "tell, don't show" one of the underlying principles of film making? :-)

@@str.77 yup, right alongside "always work with children and animals in the industry, nothing'll go wrong!"

Agree - that was a great moment when he makes eye contact w/ Paul

They have Lady Fenring but not The Count?

Villeneuve sort of mixed Count Fenring with Feyd Rautha- he is like Bene Gesserit's failed atempt to create the Kwasatz Haderach.

That whole dinner scene would have been cool, the water on the floor, but the time line from the books is all tipsy turkey. I liked the changes they made and you could see all the small details for people thinking about how the next few books turn out.

I don't think the count was essential to the story's themes and messaging so it's fine he was omitted. And the book still exists so nothing is taken away from those who read the book. Adaptations don't need to be one to one. It's the themes and ideas that matter the most. I think the movies capture the essence of the book.

Abomination

absolutely, I wish I didn't get it spoiled with the trailer honestly. I should have gone to the cinema without watching any trailer really... but you know, the hype

@@matteomariani5160 damn that was in the trailer? Wow. I've made a habit out of avoiding any and all spoilers for these types of movies for that exact reason.. Going in completely blind just hits different

Exactly my opinion about the changes made. My other complaint is that as much as I loved the idea of Gurney getting his revenge on Rabban, that fight was way too short. He went down too easily and I wish it'd been a display of how the Harkonnen and Atreides were fundamentally different, how Gurney was better for having been Leto's man. I hope Messiah (part 3) resolves this issue Chani has. She was much more savvy in the book - to the point that Jessica said she would've made a fine Bene Gesserit. So I'm not particularly a fan of that change. I would prefer more actual showing why Heroes/Prophecies are dangerous versus this kind of drama. Like, they could've shown how fanaticism lessened Stilgar from a smart and honorable Naib to a zealot of the Jihad. They could've shown Fremen going from being wary to friends of Paul and then loyal followers. Using Chani this way defeats the broad strokes Herbert worked into the story - he had Paul realizing what has taken ahold of the Fremen and wishing he could stop it all. Not to mention I kinda hate when a payoff, a resolution this complete for the overall story, suddenly gets left hanging in the broad open like what happened. Like, come on. It's an uncomfortable hard stop that makes you feel betrayed after everything else is getting wrapped up. Like, sure change up the plotline if it makes sense - like with Alia, which makes way more sense - but at least have your change feel like something Herbert actually would've done. I was ready for Jessica's talk about wives at the end to calm Chani and have her accept this, but...but... no?!?

I loved how Jessica says you're going to fast at the start of that scene, but Paul's like "Fuck it, we're doing it live!" and he kills it. Loved the sense of scale that scene gave of the seemingly endless crowd in the shadows but Paul's able to commend the whole mob, likely with some Voice use. Even when Chani is trying to stand up and protest, Gurney is like sit down my man is COOKING!

@@jameslk68 So satisfying! Easily the most compelling scene! He proved everyone wrong and right at the same time!

The movie repeatedly using the word "fundamtalist" totally destroyed any immersion.

The Fremen are clearly based on Islamic Arab culture. It’s a very cohesive culture there aren’t huge sects of non believers. It’s a very western way to view non western culture and I hate that. It makes it inauthentic

There are however huge religious issues between different sects of Islam​@@danieldezi3916

​@@danieldezi3916Muslims or Arab Muslims are not nearly as cohesive as you think. There are many different factions or sects among the Muslims.

@@danieldezi3916 well there were a couple thousand northern unbelievers, and like a million fundamentalists, so it still jives with reality, a very small percentage. if anything, they would argue about who the savior is, paul or not. that said, the books basically lead to the conclusion that pauls vision was flawed, being based off of predestination rather than the free will his ancestors attempt to create.

The fact an otherwise dignified and intelligent man is basically reduced to an embarrassing simp by his fanaticism is an important part of his character arc, imo.

Yes, we need the Guild Navigator!

She is awesome and would love for her to have her own action movie series.

She was hot, then she turned all exorcist on us

I don't think so. Villenueve has said multiple times the other schools of the Imperium including the Guild are not going to be as important in these films because the focus is going to be on the bene gesserit. Disappointing for sure, but if you could only pick one I guess he picked the most important one to showcase for Paul's story.

I love her. She’s my favorite part of the movies.

Chani's "character" or whats left of it was probably the worst thing about the entire second part. Massive screen time sink only to butcher her character, change the ending and the rest of the following story will suffer from this.

It was an incredibly hamfisted and jolting journey into what should have just been the book's plot. "A well-placed warning of following charismatic leaders" no, that comes later and better. I refuse to believe you are a human being.

​@@blank4227damn. That's silly. "You think differently, you can't be human"

@@aussieseal9979 Thanks for your comment champ! **pats your head and tickles your chin** Who's a good boy?

You could have had both that concept and also have allowed for Alia as a disturbingly mature toddler for the final scene. All that was required was to suggest a longer time frame allowing for her birth etc. Not a difficult thing to write into the script. IMO it was a very big mistake to drop Alia's confrontation with her grandfather and her gom jabbar scene.

I guess this is the director's approach: if a character plays a major role in one part of the story, leave that character out of the other parts. Hence no Emperor in 1 but big in 2, no Alia in 2 but big in 3. Still, his ignoring of the Guild is unforgivable.

@@str.77 Wouldn't the Guild fall under the same principle? With spice requirement for space travel being a common knowledge in the movie there is not much point to show the confrontation with the guild here. He's saving the Guild for Messiah movie.

@@mrTannu666That's what I was thinking. We're kinda done with the Harkonnens, Atreides and Fremen. Now he can show the Guild, Alia, the Tleilaxu, Face Dancers and such.

@@rjlchristie That scene was great in the book, but we don't *need* Alia to know that the Baron is an animal who dies like an animal. I'm more distressed about the son we didn't get, but even that was one spinning plate too many.

Duh

There's a fremen custom where they don't take the water from an 'abomination'. Instead, the water is given to the desert to be lost. I took the Baron's disposal in line with this fremen tradition to make a point he was deserving of the worst burial possible.

Damn it's almost like you watched the movie

Stab in the neck and killing him "like an animal" was the same death Paul faced with the bene gezerit in part one.

Problem is that he is kind of stupid (sse the scene with fenring).

USA is fresh example!