Dune - Father Son Talk Scene - Timothee Chalamet, Oscar Isaac 

When he said that all in my mind was "Bold words for a Bene Gesserit puppet"

He was strong enough to be gentle, something we must all stride to be

The emperor is full of shit and knows it and just wanted to hurt Paul with that.

he was so weak it took decades of Harkonnen spice mining profits and the vilest of betrayals to take him down

He wasn't exactly the book emperor. Book emperor feared Leto because he (1) was popular for exactly the character being portrayed in this scene, and (2) he was putting together an army that was within a hair of being as competent and effective as the Sardaukar using the talents of Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck to train them. Reconciling book emperor to movie emperor, at the end, the emperor spouted BS to goad Paul into an ill-advised duel hoping to end him that way. He didn't genuinely think Leto was weak.

It was such a refreshing line too. I feel like in most movies in relationships like these the father forces something unto the child the child does not want and the filmmakers try to create drama out of it, but in Dune it's just a wholesome moment.

I'm not sure how I feel about his relationship with his mother though, I believe she loves him, but she has torn loyalties to her people that I wonder if it came down to it, whether she'd be able to choose being a mother over them. I don't know, just get Teresa vibes from her, like she wants to support the hero, but differing priorities could lead to a betrayal. (Please don't spoil it for me, I haven't read the books, so I know nothing at this point.)

@@r-giireactions2235the book plays this mother-son dynamic pretty heavily and idk how Villeneuve played it out in the movie but 8’m excited to see how it goes. Jessica’s motives and behaviour is much more nebulous in the books. Same with Leto but the movie protrays a more loving family dynamic.

Leto always respected Paul and was very proud of how he grew and this can be seen more in depth in the books by Leto's inner thoughts and interactions with Paul. An Example of which can be when they're hosting a dinner for some of the important people of Arrakis and Paul debates with a few of them, and they dismiss his thoughts simply because he's a child but Leto supports him by telling them to not consider Paul a child. And subsequently Leto has to leave and immediately has Paul take over for him as host. The scene is much more in depth with different things happening and sets the tone for a lot of different things and gives context towards the plot which is why it's a shame Villeneuve left it out of the movie, but I understand why he did too.

i cried so bad for Leto's fate and almost quit reading ... still my favourite character... What an absolute gem of a man

when?

​@@ravenmariusand he takes the ring off because its not the atreides way right? the same is told by the Emperor at the end, that Paul is much different from his father. And that made Leto less successful or something, dont remember properly.

I think actually he says he's actually similar to his father and that was his weakness which paul then showed him that it's not a weakness.@@igor.vysoky

Thanks for the spoiler

Lol I thought he said "I found my wife" as he was looking at Chani

And it's great that we saw him do exactly that a bit later in the film! 😊

and now this is podracing

Can we admit that standing alone the force awakens was great?

@@noahclark7603 It is

@noahclark7603 TFA is in my top 5 films of last decade. It’s unfortunate that the latter two movies ruin it but yea standalone I love it

Good catch

Also changing “good man” to “great man” - it implies how much more impactful a great leader is

Interesting take, you're right, makes him seem more relatable, more human, rather than a just the overtly cool protagonist

Pretty sure he says "what if I'm not that"...

@@Seminole333 clear d's so he's saying "dad"

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Muslims believe that a time will come when the world will be full of tyranny and would become a very depressing place to live. Then a man named mahdi will come from progeny of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). He would be perfect to lead Muslim nations. But he will never seek to lead. He would be called to it.

not in this scene but another good line from leto/oscar : "Here i am, Here i remain"

This line means so much more now with how Part 2 unfolded. Great writing.

I love how Leto doesn't just repeat his father's words, but gives his son his own

Oscar does what he can with what he's given. Sometimes that isn't much. Other times it's this scene.

“They don’t know which way is up out there” Umm…what?

I don’t know, I think he deserves an Oscar just for being able to deliver that line with a straight face.

Meaning... What?

I know right? Damn JJ Abrams!

As someone who has grown tired of seeing monarchies and royal houses and whatnot, I liked House Atredies the most. Leto seemed like a great leader but also an empathetic and noble one. He was not afraid to be up close, nuanced, and personal. He even treated the people of Arrakis as people.

@@kaylons When portrayed in fiction, royalty/nobility either fall into Disney-like fairytale perfect heroes or one-note mustache-twirling villains. Too much idealization or too much demagoguery. It takes good writers to show the nuance and humanity of what are essentially the rarest breed in terms of historical social heriarchy.

​@@kaylonshe was not a noble leader, but a humble one. An actually down-to-earth person who appreciated the smaller things in life. A leader who treated his subjects and subordinates, and those whom he did not benefit off of, with compassion and respect. That's what earned House Atreides their great reputation. And great power, thanks to greats like Duncan Idaho & Gurney Hallek entering their ranks.

Hmm, he sucks you know why? Bcs Jared Leto would do much better job.

@@BFG-hv2ml Agreed. Then we would have gotten to see Leto saying “It’s Atreides Time” and Atreidesed all over the Harkonnens.

That's so sweet 😭 I hope you're doing better ❤

W dad. This is all I strive to be as a father; I’m very glad you have a parent love that I’m your life 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

Your dad sounds like a great man. Someone a lot of men can learn from.

Been there, still am there. Much love

What a great dad

even the score kind of ties into this, with just reverberating strings to fill the uncertain gap

That part was indeed incredible. I remember thinking something like "Oh shit Leto's gonna be a classic stout father going on and on about duty and responsibility". But then, no. He's a father who wants first and foremost for his son to live a good life (But of course Paul being Duke Atreides would have been Leto's favorite outcome).

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That’s crazy. I did the same.

I did too, it was surreal. I grew up being mostly estranged from my father and have struggled a lot with identity and love. I was falling asleep during the first part of it but woke up at this moment to hear this dialogue. It was like a moment from God I will remember for the rest of my life.

@@justincruz5720 so whats crazy about it if u did the same thing lol..

@@GoreTheSummoner It’s not crazy. I lied. It was just a coincidence that was bound to happen.

Mi hijo me lo mostró a mí y ayer lo volví a ver y encontré el gran sentido ❤

It softens the impact and sounds more affectionate to Paul.

@@jalpat2272 Agreed. Also, calling Paul's grandfather as just "my father" would create a certain disconnect between him and his late family.

He also got tom cooper in Interstellar

also the best mother in Wonka ❤

Not in The King, though..

they both understood each others part in the great plan. amazing how a simple dialog can deliver lots of information

whats the name of the song in the backfground? is it pauls dream?

It's interesting how the 2 best scenes of the father son relationship from this movie and the 1984 version are not originally in the book (the 1984 Dune scene being "ill miss the sea"). Kind of shows how poorly the book handled characters and treated them like backdrops and the movies had to fix it

It's really an excellent addition. Piles onto the notion that Leto was naive and perceived to be weak. Maybe he just had half the mind to be decent

@@HyunaTheHyena Oh nonono.. I would totally disagree. These scenes had to be added BECAUSE the movie format cannot contain everything going on in the omniscient perspective we the reader are presented with in Frank Herbert's Dune, where every of the character's thoughts are words on a page, and not necessarily said out loud. VERY hard to adapt that into a movie format without taking up a lot of time. Characters like backdrops? I dont even know if we're talking about the same Dune lol.

@@justincruz8050 if that's the case, it's an iffy addition at best in that regard. Leto knew what he was doing. He knew Arrakis was a trap, but he was not given a choice and formulated his strategy with "desert power" instead. A plan that would only come into fruitation sadly after his own passing. This is a man with great foresight. He did not expect however, the emperor to send Sardaukar to aid the Harkonnen in their risky attack on Arrakis, an unprecedented move in the power balance of the known universe. Nobody thought the Atreides weak. The emperor had to secretly shatter them especially because they were getting too strong.

@@pwnwin I am not implying that Leto was actually weak or actually naive, but that other characters assumed this of him. His willingness to show empathy and true bonding creates a real contrast with other characters, so it's no stretch of the imagination that other characters witness these qualities of Leto and assume him naive.

The problem of Prescience is that it robs you of "Choice"

In the end, it was the only way for the Fremen and himself to win based on the clear vision he saw later. It was identical to Dr Strange's Infinity War' "one timeline' moment. I would argue what Paul did in the second film is what what Leto said here "a great man doesn't seek to lead. He is called to it and he answers". That's exactly what happened. Some of the Fremen kept insisting he is the Lisan Al Gaib and he resisted it and even got mad at his mom in that one scene for further spreading the propoganda that he is the messiah. And he later said to Gurney "they used to be friends, now they are followers" cos Gurney scolded him for not exploring the Fremen further. Paul is called to lead even though he doesn't want to. He resisted as much as he could but took it because there was no other option that didn't involve the Fremen and him losing. The only other option was for the Harkonnen/Carinos to win.

@@kicapanmanis1060 exactly and that’s what makes it so tragic to me. To save everyone he had to doom so many others

or Tyrion?

Same

His mother only adopted it after drinking the Water of Life. Before that she tried to get him off revenge while he wanted it. Also in the end, his mom was correct. Taking it was the best option for the Fremen and Paul. Paul's clear visions later told him all the other paths lead to them losing.

we don't speak of that atrocity

That's the past vision that pushed Paul to carry out the Jihad.

Paul becomes a genocidal sandy time wizard.

Time Roulette, GO!

Huh? They aren't real. I'll never understand the obsession with other people's accomplishments, go out in the world and make something of yourself. Stop resting in other people's laurels

@@ahmorgan We can dance if we want to We can leave your friends behind 'Cause your friends don't dance And if they don't dance Well, they're no friends of mine Say, we can go where we want to A place where they will never find And we can act like we come From out of this world Leave the real one far behind And we can dance Or sing We can go when we want to Night is young and so am I And we can dress real neat From our hats to our feet And surprise 'em with the victory cry Say, we can act if we want to If we don't, nobody will And you can act real rude and totally removed And I can act like an imbecile And say, we can dance, we can dance Everything's out of control We can dance, we can dance They're doing it from pole to pole We can dance, we can dance Everybody look at your hands We can dance, we can dance Everybody's taking the chance Safety dance Oh well, the safety dance Ah yes, the safety dance We can dance if we want to We've got all your life and mine As long as we abuse it, never gonna lose it Everything'll work out right I say, we can dance if we want to We can leave your friends behind Because your friends don't dance And if they don't dance Well, they're no friends of mine I say, we can dance, we can dance Everything's out of control We can dance, we can dance We're doing it from pole to pole We can dance, we can dance Everybody look at your hands We can dance, we can dance Everybody's taking the chance Oh well, the safety dance Ah yes, the safety dance Oh well, the safety dance Oh well, the safety dance Oh yes, the safety dance Oh, the safety dance, yeah Well, it's the safety dance It's the safety dance Well, it's the safety dance Well, it's the safety dance Oh, it's the safety dance Oh, it's the safety dance

@@ahmorgan You could never know what it's like Your blood, like winter, freezes just like ice And there's a cold, lonely light that shines from you You'll wind up like the wreck you hide behind that mask you use And did you think this fool could never win? Well look at me, I'm a-coming back again I got a taste of love in a simple way And if you need to know while I'm still standing You just fade away Don't you know I'm still standing better than I ever did? Looking like a true survivor, feeling like a little kid And I'm still standing after all this time Picking up the pieces of my life without you on my mind I'm still standing (yeah, yeah, yeah) I'm still standing (yeah, yeah, yeah) Once, I never coulda hoped to win You starting down the road, leaving me again The threats you made were meant to cut me down And if our love was just a circus, you'd be a clown by now You know I'm still standing better than I ever did Looking like a true survivor, feeling like a little kid And I'm still standing after all this time Picking up the pieces of my life without you on my mind I'm still standing (yeah, yeah, yeah) I'm still standing (yeah, yeah, yeah)

@@ahmorgan While the poor people sleepin' With the shade on the light While the poor people sleepin' All the stars come out at night After closing time At the Guernsey Fair I detect the El Supremo From the room at the top of the stairs Well I've been around the world And I've been in the Washington Zoo And in all my travels As the facts unravel I've found this to be true While the poor people sleepin' With the shade on the light While the poor people sleepin' All the stars come out at night After closing time At the Guernsey Fair I detect the El Supremo From the room at the top of the stairs Well I've been around the world And I've been in the Washington Zoo And in all my travels As the facts unravel I've found this to be true They got the house on the corner With the rug inside They got the booze they need All that money can buy They got the shapely bods They got the Steely Dan T-shirt And for the coup-de-gras They're outrageous While the poor people sleepin' With the shade on the light While the poor people sleepin' All the stars come out at night After closing time At the Guernsey Fair I detect the El Supremo From the room at the top of the stairs Well I've been around the world And I've been in the Washington Zoo And in all my travels As the facts unravel I've found this to be true Show biz kids making movies Of themselves you know they Don't give a fuck about anybody else While the poor people sleepin' With the shade on the light While the poor people sleepin' All the stars come out at night After closing time At the Guernsey Fair I detect the El Supremo From the room at the top of the stairs Well I've been around the world And I've been in the Washington Zoo And in all my travels As the facts unravel I've found this to be true

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Timmy's Paul is not 15 like in the book, he's more like 18-20. Jessica was a mother young and Leto was a bit older than her (he's 50 in the book, while in the movie he's probably early-mid 40s, and she's probably late 30s maybe 40)

He would have been loved and respected for his ingenuity and common sense.

He's the God of something spicy either way.

SPOILER . . . . Paul still ends up killing billions in his jihad

@@GalaxyGal- how a'paul'ing!!!😆