So Deadline have confirmed via Denis Villeneuve that Dune Messiah is going to be his next film, and the director also revealed a few details about the project like the rumoured time jump. I discuss all that was said and give my thoughts on the mentioned release date. Stay tuned over the next few days for my Dune Prophecy trailer breakdown as well.
A pleasant narrating voice, except for the false fronting of 'th'. It can be very distracting to the listener. Fink, fought, auffor, vis, vat, wiv. Curiously you got third rather than fird. Some very elementary speech and articulation lessons can quickly resolve this. Good luck, excellent video and writing otherwise.
Considering Principal Photography for DUNE took place in 2019, if Denis sticks to this general schedule it will be roughly 7 years between the shooting of the First & Final films. While not the full 12 years I feel like this is enough of a gap to show Timothee as an age-appropriate Paul (30), especially considering Timothee will be the same age in 2026.
It will be interesting though because it was more 14+ years in the book. Them changing it from 2 ish years to less than 8 months since Alia wasn't born in the 2nd film should be pretty interesting. I'm sure it will be fine and there will be major changes to compensate, but I've got this weird feeling if they weren't comfortable doing the megamind smartypants baby Alia, they will have a heck of a time with Leto and Ghanima.
I think it’s the business aspect of it. Production companies like Music labels are all about profit and momentum. They probably don’t want to wait any longer than they have to because they want to keep the momentum going from the second movie into the third. It’s like a music artist suddenly getting a viral song and then two months later they’re releasing an album.
@@whiskybrush3219 They are in the book towards the end. And If I remember correctly they interact more in Children of Dune (which was not a fun book to read) but Leto does do baby psychovision to help Paul throw a knife to save them. I think if they are avoiding baby psycho powers and talking, I'm curious what they would do with this scene.
I'm hoping Denis expands his scope to include the Guild, CHOAM, the Lansraad, Tleilaxu and other heavy hitters of the Imperium to give the story a more expansive feel. Paul's ascension tale has been told, now it's time to see how the rest of humanity responds to him.
I hope he doesn’t take on too much. Whatever he needs to make a good story is what needs to happen. Many movies nowadays fall into the trap of using checkboxes to get every cool Easter egg included in the movie, and it ruins it because it is too broad to fit.
You're actually excited about fan fiction about "two middle aged women" (the show runners words not mine) ..? I mean I hope it's good.. But I wish it wasn't dune. I don't need a brain herbert adaptation and even worse I don't need complete fan fiction loosely based on brain's work about "two middle aged women" .. at least the cast and visuals look great, but even the visuals are weird. This is 10k years before dune. Why are they dressed in a simlar fashion. I'm sceptical at best. That said, I also absolutely don't want a Messiah adaptation since the way Villeneuve changed the story and left out factions like the Spacing guild makes it hard for me to imagine it would be even remotely faithfull to the brilliant book.
@@JezzaBondiBeach You have a right to prefer poorly written fanfiction by talentles nepobabies who make stuff for "modern audiences" that don't really exist if you'd like. I'll say that much. But I prefer the actual original writer's vision since his talent and incerdible writing is the only reason anyone knows what Dune is and the story exist in the first place
Why are people worried that the actors need to age up for the time jump. Spice is an anti-geriatric. They should all remain looking youthful for decades
Also it's very simple to make Paul look more mature and grown up with a little make up and how he carries himself in the film. I don't think fans should be worried!
That doesn’t work for unborn children buddy. Alia is supposed to be more than 4 in the book, and we can’t comfortably have an 11 or 12 year old girl mate with an adult Duncan Idaho ghola without him being a pedophile.
That would be creepy af, since a lot of the book is about her becoming a woman and her hormones kinda making her unpredictable, wild and orny. She's 15 in the book.
@adellis24 Please read Messiah, and you'll understand why that wouldn't really work. Unless the Ghola and her relationship is a lot different. It's already kinda ..she's underage, and he's not. Let's leave it at that
I hope people aren’t disappointed… even if he changes some of the details to fit the film medium, it should still be a deconstruction of the first Dune story and the “myth” of Paul. That’s the point of the story.
idk if you intentionally mispelled prophet, but I like "blind profit" for what they're doing. They left out too many plotlines, factions and ruined the ending of dune 2, they can't really make even a remotely faithful adaptation of messiah
Wonderful video as always, Vortex I have only one wish in this adaptation: that there would be a small participation of Leto II in the prescient vision that happens at the end of the book, because then it could be possible to have a fan casting that I have been dreaming about for years, which is to see Aidan Gallagher as this character. I know that Denis will not return for another adaptation of Dune because his work is over, but he has already guaranteed that he will leave some ideas for whoever continues with the franchise.
Its intresting what Denis Villeneuve willl be doing what Sir Ridley Scott did for him with Blade Runner 2049 for the next Director the Children Of Dune were likely going to get a Shilloutte of Leto II as worm probably.
the challenge is - how to make a boring book into a block buster film. I suspect we will see much more of Jihad war, much more Chani/Zandea then in the book, but I'm ok with that. Paul will walk into desert (preferably at sunset) and the things will be set up for Leto the II. Other then that? bonus.
@@DDR131it’s gonna end just like the book. There is no point in changing it, Messiahs ending is already perfect and will be extremely “cinematic” on the big screen.
I do think DV will leave an ending that could then be picked up by another filmmaker with a new cast years from now for a "Children of Dune" film or even whole other trilogy. I think Part 3 opens with the galaxy wide Jihad and the climax of that war ends Act 1. Then a time-jump to when Paul has been Emperor for 10-15 years for the rest of the film which will pull from Messiah, but also wrap up the Paul/Chani storyline well. Part 2 was a great War film. I'm excited to see something more focused on political intrigue and shifting allegiances.
Great films are great when they take there time I just Hope Jason Momoa Returns as Ghola Duncan Idaho aka Hayt from the Books Alia being at her present age from the visions confirms it kinda.
That's a spoiler bruh. But yeah Jason should be coming back. Duncan is an enduring figure through God Emperor......and the abomination books Hunter and Sandworms of Dune.
That is a story arc that really jumped out to me on my recent re-reading of the book. I think it could be an excellent focus of the movie. True character development there!
@@rickbase833lol these trolls love shitposting and never replying 😂 I'm sure they'll come back and say The Rock or Jason Statham should've been cast as Idaho 😂
I think he’s going to lean heavily on the jihad and the internal Fremen struggle between the faction that idolizes him and wants the green paradise and the hardliners that long for the before times and are against Paul. In the book the corinno family exploits this faction along with the Tleilaxu.
I assume we'll probably have Princess Wenicissica (Irulan's oldest sister & mother of Farad'n Corrino - Ghanima's future concubine) along with The Spacing Guild, & The Bene Theleixu. Oh, I hope they give Ambassador Edric an awesome alien-like look because of the spice gas transformation. 🤔 🙏
@@confusionthe2nd51I was gonna say. We’re dealing with the repercussions of the jihad in messiah. The only imagery we get of the jihad first hand is when the death commando is reflecting on the purposelessness and eventual liberation him and many of his peers felt after encountering a vast sea shortly after conquering a planet. Honestly I rlly hope they include it as it’s one of my favourite scenes in the novels.
Messaiah was not my favourite among the sequels but I always thought it felt the most "cinematic". Very excited to see some stoneburner action. Hopefully the film gets the time it needs for a great adaptation, and isnt rushed to capitalize on the first 2 films.
Agreed. I enjoyed it much more. I am actually finding COD a bit more of a challenge to get through - not sure why. I think there is enough rich material in DM to mine for decent film.
except for Alia there is absolutely no worries about aging of the characters as they are all deeply addicted to the geriatric spice which confers long life and great health on it's users! That means, as stated in the books, the spice allows it's users to live longer without showing normal aging, so no worries at all if no one has appreciably aged due to their spice afdiction! Do no worries for anyone! In the book it mentions tha by Children of Dune Paul had been aged some what by the desset as his eyes show "sand tracks" or those squint wrinkles at the eye corners that aging and dessert living confur, so that's it, the whole aging problem solved, Herbert made it non issue!
I couldn't find this Confirmed anywhere🤔 Would be great if true..Would also love if he made 'Rendevous with Rama' in between seeing as Dune prophecy sounds like its quite a Thematic jump.
Would like to see it stay more faithful to the book this time them leaving out the time jump in the second one really hurt that story especially how Chani was portrayed was shocking more than anything
@@JH-ks9oisigh. Another turd moaning about everything being "woke" without even knowing what it actually means. Basically you just hate women. How exactly is Chani a girl boss? She makes it clear she doesn't want to go along with Paul's jihad. She gets completely sidelined at the end of the movie and is left heartbroken. She turns her back on her people and goes off alone into the desert. Oh yeh so girl boss. All alone with nothing. Not her lover. Not her people. No-one. Yeh girl power 😂 what an absolute clown you are 😂🤡
It’ll be interesting to see what he does with Messiah - there were some things I didn’t like about part two, it left out things it shouldn’t have but this could always be included in Messiah. I just hope it doesn’t become a case of Denis or the the higher ups getting too cocky and 'putting their own spin on the novel' I f***ing hate when they start doing that, that’s when things start to go downhill. But we’ve yet to see what will happen. I’m just trying to be optimistic in a world where blockbusters are just not good anymore
“Conclusion to the Atreides saga? What are you talking about? Children of Dune Shifts the focus to Paul’s children and Alia, and STILL features Paul in the Anti-Hero role of the Preacher. Then the story makes a GIANT shift in God Emperor, Heretics, and Chapter House. Children of Dune is far more interesting than Messiah in my opinion. Still waiting to see if anyone can ever make the leap to putting God Emperor on the screen. A bit too esoteric for most, so I’m not holding too much hope.
Nice! Something to look forward to. Such a vacuum of anything to get and feel excited for as a sci-fi/fantasy fan. Say what you will of them now...In the 2000-teens it was a lot of fun and exciting to have marvel, DC, GOT, star wars content to look forward to. I am a fan of going to the movies...kind of a dying breed these days.
I think the first Act will have a lot of big action, but I'm excited for DV's take on the Messiah political machinations. If there was ever a time for more cinematic commentary on politics and power struggle within a "royal court", now would be it!
There is a lot of spin off material they can cover over Leto II especially during his 3,000 year long reign. This could make for an interesting anthology show.
Also, they should make the time jump at least 15 years because Alia is supposed to be a teen in the midst of her puberty / hormonal changes which affect the way she behaves and act. And I mean, The Ghola Duncan Idaho kisses her etc etc. There are scenes where she's naked and there is a decent amount of focus on her becoming a woman. It's kinda iffy as it is as a 15 year old, having her be 11/12 would be strange and is further confirmation that they aren't adapting the book at all but are going the fan fiction route
@@sandraoliver-poore7860 My bro they generally start at 12 sometimes earlier. That's not the point. A 12 / 13 year old is still a child, a child in puberty. A 15 year old is a true teen. But more than that, you don't want a 13 year old Alia because as I've said a lot of her story revolves around her being at the cusp of womanhood. And all the emotions etc that come with that. I don't want to spoil anything, A 16/18 year old Alia is preferable to a 12 year old, if you're going to have a remotely accurate adaptation.
I’m probably more excited for this movie than any other project I can think of that’s on the horizon. That said, I really don’t think this project is going to be much of an adaptation of “Messiah”, I think it will likely be much more of Denis’ ideas than Frank’s and will be better thought of as “Part Three” given how different all the pieces are at the ending of Part Two going forward. Messiah is a much weirder story with much weirder characters than the first book and as much as I love Denis’ interpretation of Herbert’s work, he definitely sidestepped a lot of the weirder elements of the first book in the name of grounding the tone of the film in a certain kind of realism (which is fine). I don’t see the guy who shied away from presenting a toddler reverend mother on screen as being the guy giving us mutant fish-men floating in tanks of spice gas and shape shifting tech-gods. Hell, I’m not even sure Momoa is going to make his return as a zombified clone mentat of Duncan Idaho as even that might be too exotic for Denis. Plus, making Chani the avatar for Paul’s conflict and leaving him at the end of Part Two completely changes the setting for a third movie than where the character pieces lay going into Messiah. Again, I’m very excited for this project as I think Denis has enough strong ideas of his own, and I’m totally speculating, but I think Denis will be going off on his own path from here on out with maybe some loose thematic ideas from Messiah (free will/agency and the price of purpose), but that’s about it. I think we’re going to get much more of an original story set in the world of Dune with a lot of the familiar characters we know from this world.
@@thegercast4794 Imo not everything has to be explicitly shown. Those two moments, for instance, are fantastic because of what they don't show, it increases tension exponentially. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion, these are just my thoughts on it.
I personally interpret Villeneuves‘ words a bit differently. In my opinion, he sounds like Dune Messiah won’t necessarily be his next project. Even when he says he will „go back behind the camera sooner than he thought“, he doesn’t specifically refer to Dune. To start shooting 2 years after the previous movie is common for a Hollywood director of his caliber, but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t squeeze a small scale project in between.
For Alia there is a big big difference between 12 yrs old and 16. Also Chani riding off into the desert will probably be overlooked as well. But we'll have more worms!!! Yey, Chani must have brought them back with her. I think Denis dug a few plot holes for himself in the first 2 movies which means he didn't really plan on making the 3rd, but here we are.
@@AnthonyRomero-w8uwith someone like Zendaya portraying her there’s no way that’ll happen, unfortunately. Chani became a deeply insufferable character the last act of part two. I just hope they don’t continue to push the stronk independent wahman bullshit any further in messiah 😒🙄
@@gagalover2k10mfs when women have agency in a film. I do agree that what they did with chani will likely have negative consequences in messiah but it wasn’t a needless sacrifice. Through messiah we are shown that the fremen weren’t completely blinded by fervour and compelled by blind faith to Paul. Instead they followed where their fremen companions went. If a majority want to lead a galactic jihad then they will follow. This was shown with chani. I am irritated at how she just up and left at the end but other than that I thought the change was good. If they choose some nameless fremen to be unbending to Paul it wouldn’t be the same. I’m very sorry this movie didn’t pander to you and notions on women.
Well, the time jump of 12 years is perfect for Chalamet, since he will be 30 by the time of shooting, and that's more or less the age of Paul Atreides in Messiah. Let's hope the series gets to be a hit among general audiences, so people are already into the politics of Dune by the time the movie gets released, because the 3rd book is not precisely action packed
So, us fans need to keep Dune Prophecy ratings up so we get Dune content until 2027 and Im already invested in how D.V.s gonna do the Alia story arc seeing as she'll only be 12 but Aana Taylor Joy??? Cheers Cortex. #Longlivethefighters
It would more lean towards the love story much more then the political intrigue. I think this movie is going to give us most tragic love story ever. Might this be this generation Titanic but more tragic.
Dude, Cleopatra with Zendaya!? That screams massive bomb. Oh boy. Every Cleopatra film bombs. Also why court controversy? Cleopatra was Greek Macedonian. Hopefully that project gets shelved. Lol
Forget UN-FILMable being the Dune Messiah part. The only parts, are, in my view, are coming afterward; when the parts are dying are father Paul and mother Chani, and its son and daughter are the Leto II and Ghanima, granded by the Lady Jessica. So there!!
I did not like what Villeneuve did to the Chani character. It is opposite to the loyal loving character in the book. I do not look forward to Dune Messiah which will undoubtedly be a lush visual spectacle but not Dune as Herbert wrote the story. Bad judgement on V's part.
Actually, I thought that Chani's change was brilliant. Herbert struggled to make an anti-hero, while still being stuck in using the usual heroic tropes of his time. Nobody, including the 14 and 24 year old me got the actual warning about charismatic leaders that Dune, the book, was supposed to give me. Because Paul acted too heroic, and too much evil-doing was handed off to other characters. To make Paul turn to the dark side, hard uncomfortable choices had to be set up. HE chose to stab the Barron in the throat, FIRST, because "he believes in revenge". HE had to choose between a Fremen life with Chani and POWER. HE chose power, and relished the humiliation of the Emperor. I suspect we've already seen the stabbing Paul's going to get from Chani in return for that betrayal. Chani also gets to do, in the final scene of part 2, what any self-respecting woman would do in that situation, which is LEAVE. Herbert was great at world-building, but I think he lacked the life experience to understand real human interactions at a basic level. He was a thinker, not a feeler. Paul's going to have to work to get Chani back, and it shouldn't be easy at all.
No, it’s not confirmed at all. Denis was very careful not to say anything specific in that interview. Deadline chose to spin his words with a clickbait headline, and this RU-vidr has chosen to follow suit.
It would be great if they showed more results of people taking the spice. They do not show us enough scenes in the films,, to let us know what is so great about this fucking spice lol Other than the witches or what happens to Paul. They do not show us what the benefits are for the common person who takes spice. What about those who can to bend or fold space,, for space travel?. Although I personally have a couple issues with the concept of dune. I did enjoy the two movies. In my personal opinion,, It did not dive deep enough into the sci-fi elements. Also, in the first film back in the 80s,, the emperor look like a real Emperor. He was someone who exude power and control. But that is not true in the last dune film. I felt no sense of power from the emperor (played by Christopher Walkens). In the film in the 80s,, they showed what kind of beings can full-space. And travel throughout the universe. But no such thing in the more recent dune films. Although entertaining,, it was kind of interesting,, but missing something. Don’t get me wrong,, I love the last two dune films. Looking forward to the third. But I hope they go for it. Go for the weird and the strange. That exist even within the books.
The feminist movie agenda continues with the destruction of another male character. Hence the reason for the new underwhelming Dune Trilogy. Dune the main book was a classic, but we really don't need the meh book Dune Messiah story. So much was left out of Dune part 1 and 2.
I think they'll make a condition of Alias condition tgat she ages to ATJ age which is fine. To gain wider appeal he's filtered stuff out so learned from Bladerunner 2049. That said I do hope he brings factions other than Bene Gesserit into focus
Nothing against Anya Taylor-Joy, but she's too old. Even with an in universe Sipce explanation the age gap is too great. Anya is in her late twenties, Alia is supposed to be early teens (visually late teens?). An upcoming young actress like Raegan Revord would be much more suitable.
I am a very imformed Dune fanatic. I attempted to give Denis Villeneuves version a chance. However, after choking down my contempt for the abhorrent casting choices, i was finally ready to view the movies. Right before pressing play i was going through RU-vid and watched a rundown of the second one. The moment i observed the garbage scene with that pseudo Feyd Rautha ending the Baron. NICE TRY VILLENEUVE, YOU HACK. You pull a thread out of the entire story. Cheap. My gawd, you put Chalamet as Paul, Mamoa as Gurney Halleck?! GURNEY HALLECK!
I really wish Villeneuve just left it at this. I loved everything he made before dune 1. I thought dune 1 was pretty good and even better on the second viewing. Dune 2 was good movie but horrible adapation. And the way it ended absolutely ruins any chance of a good Messiah adaptation.
@@DW-bk5nb First of all, Chani is anti Paul. She is pivotal to the story. This also messes up Irulan's story. The Spacing guild is barely mentioned as a faction, chaom etc are barely ever mentionned. Alia hasn't been born, and they are keeping the 12 year time skip which will make Alia a 12 year old instead of a 15 year old teen like in the books (this is important because there is a big emphasis on her becoming a woman and the changes that come with that etc etc) Dune 2 wasn't faithfull enough for the books to have a good Messiah adaptation, no matter what they do the changes will be huge and I don't want a fanfiction messiah, I want the real one.
@EntertainingRunner-vd3bn then don't adapt but make something new inspired by it. Why call it Dune. I'd watch any movie Villeneuve makes. But if you're making Dune. All I want is to see the book on screen. As accurately as possible. Messiah is a brilliant book. But it won't work when Chani is the anti Paul conspirator. It won't work with a 12 year old Alia considering the end and the Ghola. I'm trying not to spoil things. But the way things were left at the end of Dune 2 makes Messiah so different it's fan fiction and not an adaptation
Oh great, Villeneuve will butcher Messiah like he did Dune. Annnd, Paul is also in Children of Dune so it looks like he is going to fcuk up that well written book too 🙄🙄🙄
From Children of Dune onward, they need to go the streaming show route and spread it over 8-12 episodes per season. But sooner or later you get to the last book and... it's going to have to be HEAVILY edited and have a decent conclusion that Herbert never wrote.
