What Does Paul Atreides Actually Become In Dune Messiah - Dune Timeline Explained 

"ok, then I'm going to call myself Paul muad'dib because it's a totally different name from what I saw in my visions, I'm fine" 😹😹😹🤣 THIS MF IS DUMB ASF DUDE... 🤦🏽‍♀️

​@@kakophonien6514leave Roy's mom alone!

@@frekiodinswulf504 🤣😆😂

This is all stolen from alt shift x

this is a stolen vid

So cute 😮😅nice

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He steals almost the entire video word for word from Alt Shift X's video.

Just subbed

It did

It's hit. Hellllooooooo ❤❤❤❤❤

This is fantastic. Great work and welcome 🎉

No way. The Dune saga are tragedies that the very end are hopeful. We do absolutely NOT have anything resembling genetic memory or prescience just because we have a few tech trinkets, my guy.

You should look through the content at the youtube channel "Quinn's Ideas" for his Dune stuff, which he has a lot of. I recommend watching his videos such as The Ultimate Guide to Dune, as well as the Dune Timeline stuff. The Dune story spans over 30 millennia. I have only read the first book, back in 1982 as a kid, of which these past film adaptations (1984, 2000, 2021) have only gone through. We can all thank Frank for visiting the sand dune beaches of Oregon, or else the Dune story would have never happened. That also includes Star Wars. 04/29/24

@@robwebnoid5763 appreciate the comment, thanks for the recommendations 👍👍

​@@MrLimo217 ... No problem, have a nice deep dive. Here are some stuff you might like to know about the adaptations/movies ... My favorite adaptation is still the David Lynch 1984 version. The 2012 Spicediver fan-made cut has edited the Lynch version a bit closer to the book & someone else then upscaled it to 4K, because Lynch's version has only been at DVD & TV video resolution for decades beforehand. For most fans of the book, both the Harrison 2000 & 2003 television miniseries (for Dune & Dune Messiah/Children) are still the most accurate storywise, even though the Harrison versions had less budget & thus cheaper-looking. I watched them only once back then. Villeneuve's version is somewhat up there as well, with its advantage as having more updated eye candy, but still not quite as story-accurate as Harrison's. And the weirdest adaptation would have been Jodorowsky's Dune movie in the 1970's if it had not been canned/cancelled. That one would have been 10 hours long. 04/29/24

@@robwebnoid5763 interesting, so what do you think of the recent movies both in comparison to those but on their own/ own interpretation-adaptation of the books? From the little I know, sounds like these recent ones took a few liberties on the films, to fans dismay/ not necessarily praise - contentment in some that its an interesting take (such as time skip to where Paul’s sister is older,etc)

​@@MrLimo217 ... Well perhaps it may shock you that I have not seen Part 1. I have only seen Part 2 fully & that was because I went to the theater to see it with someone else & they were paying my ticket. I had seen just enough clips on youtube of part 1 that it was not really necessary for me to watch it in its entirety . The big reason for that is that I already know the book general plot/story & had already watched the Lynch & Harrison versions so there was not much curiosity on my part to see it. Maybe one day. However, I would say that the Villeneuve version has its own merits. It is probably close to the book, but since I have not read the book since 1982, I won't able to compare & judge it fairly. The 2021 version has its own criticisms, such as the wokeness. For me, there were some minor details that I felt were lackluster. This includes the sandworm's mouth, the black & white matting/monochromaticism, & the desert looked bland. For me, the definitive sandworm mouth is the one from Lynch & that is because it hails back to the depiction of the sandworms from book covers in the 1960's & 70's, especially as depicted by artist John Schoenherr (died 2010). The 2021 sandworm mouth is pretty different & perhaps stands on its own interpretation. As far as the desert, the original book depiction & description of the desert should be closer to orange-colored, or "orangey". I really never saw that in the 2021 version. This orangeness is because of the spice melange. If you have paprika in your kitchen, that is the basic color of this desert spice, which is actually just sandworm poop, heh. The original book covers show that orangeness. And not just the color of the sand but also the sky. It should be saturated & chokingly reddish orange, especially in the sand storms of the deep desert. Thus in the 2021 version, the sand color is basically just a lot of tan, not orange. I'm sure there may have been some places that might have been orange, but it was not memorable. Tan is the color of Earthly deserts, so it feels as though I was not on some exotic off-world location. If you watch the Lynch version, you will see more orangey desert. They made sure it was orange by using camera color filters to create that depiction. Whatever the case, the Villeneuve 2021 version is still quite good, it stands on its own & has the aforementioned modern updated eye candy. For example, the ornithopter models are good. It is perhaps closer to the book but has its own list of aforementioned artistic liberties/licenses. Yes, the "time skip", or "dream" of Paul's sister Alia did somewhat disappoint fans. In the book & the previous adaptations, it was Alia that killed the Baron, not Paul. I can keep writing more, but I will stop here as this is getting longer, heh. But let's not forget that this is not the end of the adaptations. There will no doubt be more adaptations in the future, decades from now, & decades in between them. I am thinking there will be at LEAST one more adaptation within the next one hundred years, if not 2 adaptations in the same amount of time. 04/30/24

Bro he was the biggest inspiration for me to make this video (you could tell by thumbnail) 😭 I legit decided to do a video after watching his The Real Dune video and maybe that’s why it might sound similar, especially during the Benne Gesserit testing Paul part since I liked the style of writing that he had used, but this video is only about Paul and not about Dune in general and covers not only first movie but the second one and the Dune Messiah as well…

@@RoyAllLore you call him an inspiration, which is fine but it’s painfully obvious that you copied and pasted his narrative, shortened it and changed a few things here and there. I’ve seen that video too and went back to watch it after reading this comment. You basically copied his homework

both are abridged retellings of the story i think they r both copies of frank herbert

Why comparing , enjoy both.​@@DereliqueMahBAWLS

@@kvofieyw5r you missed the point entirely. His video is near identical. Same words and summary. That’s plagiarism. If he was to write a book and it was almost word for word of someone else’s book would you still be telling me the same thing? If you say yes, then you are obviously the type of person who would do this

I feel like Dune Part Two made it clear enough that he was hesitant to make himself the Lisan al Gaib, with him not wanting to go south and only doing it after the Sietches of the North were attacked. It does become murky after he takes the Water of Life and has that scene where he wins over all the Fremen, though. Part of that is because Dune Part Two seems to abandon the idea that the Lsian al Gaib and Kwisatz Haderach are two different things, and tries to make them synonymous.

Back then, the word "spice" was a generic term for any resource that is lucrative or economically powerful/strategic. Today's "spices" are: crude oil, lithium, and cobalt.

I am thinking about game of thrones and house of the dragon in near future

@@RoyAllLore can’t wait for that

Just admit that are paid by the harkonnen

Lmao I did the exact same thing.

Are we that conditioned... But even so...incredible work. More of this please. 🙏🙏🙏

Except Dumbledore did die, and Paul doesn't turn into a worm

before the discovery of spice the intergalactic travel was still around. Humans were using ai to calculate a route for them but after the Butlerian Jihad the ai became heresy so humans turned to spice to navigate through stars as spice gives users to see the future. Spice isn't some sort of a fuel it is for the navigators that charts these routes.

@@Wallerock16 Thanks for the clarification!!

They're very Greek, they trace their ancestry far back to ancient Greece

It's all Greek to me....

Dune is not a generic and epic story about a hero, it's a tragedy. And Dune Messiah is the ultimate tragedy for Paul Atreides. If you want to get into Dune you'll need to know that...

How? Genuine question

@@simonhertges4233 the whole story of neo mirros Paul's in many ways. He is in a strange land where people think he is a savior. He is taken before a person who tells him he is not the savior. Becomes one with the tribe and rises as an unwilling leader to finally bring the salvation. Morpheous is a wannabe stilgar and trinity is chany

Your thinking about his son Leto the second and it’s 34,000 years and it’s not a war but close

@@marksesi3097 it's been a few few years since I have read the books ( that was back in the 80s) obviously you missed my point!!!🧠👀

@@marksesi3097you’re both wrong it’s 3500 but close

@@CoveringFish sorry it’s been a while since I read the books also

Adaptation.. not exact copy it’s a different time line based on the same story. You can’t take a book that is 60% internal monologue and perfectly recreate it. Shit the books are hard follow by themselves

did you even watch the movies??? god i hate book purists