Dune Spice Wars - Procedural Sci Fi Real Time Grand Strategy 

You should probably pin the comment to make sure more people see it, cheers for the corrections mate!

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Also Spice is not just a "drug" it allows interstellar travel, so who controls the Spice, controls the universe.

There is also more than just one movie, and the fremen were never black.

@@ianallen738 even if they weren’t, it’s not a bad thing that they portrayed them that way in this movie. It would make sense for the indigenous people on a dessert planet to be of a darker complexion. But if it’s not accurate to the book that happens in most book to movie translations.

Holy shit, your spelling just killed half of my brain.

And look how well that worked out for him in the end. :D

WHO'S HOUSE? OH NO

@@lazaruslong697 To be fair, who would have guessed that the grandson of the Atreides duke will fuse himself with baby worms and become basically a god.

@@killerexe007 Bene Gesserit. Also, Daniel and Marty )

yes, all that individual unit movement. no box select. took a lot of micro to orchestrate an attack.

Same, dune 2 and command and conquer were the best.

@@IonShard yeah, its a damn crime the original dune2 devs didnt have access to a time machine so they could get it perfect on the first attempt)

I feel this. When I first saw the thumbnail I was thinking this might be a remake of the old dune game. However, I'm not sure that's going to be the case for those five or more years younger.

Well there is an HD remaster of dune 2000 that even introduced some improvements. Maybe that is what you looking for: m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yNl0hY_h0ws.html

i feel like homeworld : desert of kharak's gameplay would have been a better fit than northguard

@@AdlerMow They definitely weren't. Dune 2000 is not the game they were talking about. It's a half-baked remake of the sequel of the game they were talking about.

I thought it was going to be a remake originally, myself. But to be honest I feel that the original style has been done and improved upon by other games, eventually culminating in Starcraft II and it would be very hard for them to really do the same game (again) and do it in a way that was better, or innovative vs what else is available. And it has been tried many times. I'm actually glad to see them try a different approach instead.

"The spice extends life. The spice expands consciousness. The spice is vital to space travel." - Princess Irulan, 'Dune'.

Yeah, it's more like Space Oil than Space Cocaine. It's the resource needed to move around in space effectively.

"Space cocaine machate fight" - SplatterCatGaming, 'Dune'

„he who controls the spice, must not lose control of himself“ spice trader, ‚dune‘

"Spice must flow..." Dune bois

There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again.“ -GBJ Classic

​@@OldieWan not as good as seeing him hit that drive tho

They show it in the newest movie. It's what Leto gets shot with.

Or you go for a head shot. Idaho got one of those, but the pile of bodies around him likely attracted fire.

@@jmur3040 The older movie had one kill Idaho with a headshot. The shields were much better in the latest movie, as far as how they worked and them being usable in enclosed areas only, but the distorted and blocky effect that the older movie had looked really cool and they had penetrating shields requiring a slow, forceful thrust to get through. This is why the martial arts the Fremin were taught by Jessica and attacking in the open air made them such a terror of the desert.

@@KnightsWithoutATable A lucky headshot never hurts.

Yeah, "slow-pellet stunners" are literally just firearms. Using normal real-life bullets to get through energy shields is a common theme in that era of sci-fi, though I'm uncertain where it started (it very well could have been Dune).

Well said.

Thanks for the lore. =]

40k took this almost entirely as lore for themselves lol but still awesome

Good coverage :D one more point is those that are addicted to it (ie all the rich and powerful people) the withdrawal from it would kill them so there is a fair bit of incentive for a lot of them in the long term if stocks are reduced.

Frank also pronounces 'Chani' as 'Chainy' rather than 'Chah-nee' which...I just refuse to accept haha.

@@Axvil Illegitimate Daughter that did not know her parentage, yes

The relationship between the Atreides and Harkonnen is called Kanly - a formalized, multi-generational blood feud between families with strict rules that lasts until one bloodline is completely dead or they find some way to resolve it. Kanly with the Harkonnen has been going on for hundreds of years. It's probably why the Baron is so adamant that no Atreides survives the attack even if it means disobeying the Bene Gesserit, an organization far more powerful than a Landsraad great house.

@@loganwolfram4216 and seems to go back to a battle in the past where a Harkonnen abandoned the Atreides. It's a single reference to an incident of cowardice though so it's hard to say that's all its about.

Lady Jessica is the only Mother I want to see stuck in a dryer, or "accidentally" glued to a desk, or walks in on me while I'm "petting Shai-Hulud".

@@loganwolfram4216 Not hundreds of years, thousands. The incident Ceri is hinting at is the Battle of Corrin (if I'm not mistaken), in which the reasonable Harkonnen didn't want to attack a human meat shield to end the war against the machines whereas the slightly deranged Atreides did. Harkonnen was relieved from duty and branded as a coward for his refusal to carry out the order. 15 thousand years later, they still angy.

I should add one of the best narrated audio books I have heard

I tried to read this book in my 20s and put it down. It wasn't the political stuff it was the tropes. It was the main character who just seemed to be the writers personal insert fantasy. Young, perfect, "the chosen one", and if I remember the first man (gasp) to be the most powerful of witches (forgive me, forget the name). The bad guy was a mixture of a Saturday morning cartoon and Stan. I respect the book for getting a lot of people into science fiction. I also don't want to take away anyone's fun. Do the characters become more interesting later on? I'd like to give it another try especially with the new hype.

@@bluepsiongamer4909 No, I wouldn't say that the characters possess much depth. It's the themes and concepts that make the book interesting, not the characters.

@@clovermite Thank you :)

@@bluepsiongamer4909 I can't say much without spoiling, but the Dune books are very self aware, Paul is a messianic Gary Stu in the start that is ironically blindsided by his own ability to see the future later, the subsequent books deal with his failures as well as his arrogance and his narrow perspective. The characters are less like usual sci-fi characters and more like some platonic debaters that are there to challenge the main characters, as well as the readers perspectives and assumptions, making you double question if you're being manipulated like the characters in the book.

This individual is correct in everything he just said.

That's correct - Atreidies color should be blue or red (black red uniforms from book). The emblem should be the eagle, but you won't find it either. This is no longer Dune for me. It may be called Dune, but I can't find much of the book or legacy games lore here. The game concept is not bad at all, except I do not feel much about real Dune here.

Yeah the blue suits them much better. Also Fremen shouldn't have ornithopter scouts. It would make more sense for them to have a different unit

@@Eriadel you might have something mixed up. in the books the uniforms and banners are descibed as black and green. their emblem is a red hawk. I love to see them finally in their correct colors :)

I have yet to read the books, although my entire Dune game experience was coloured by Dune II, hence my colour associations! The changes in colour aren't a dealbreaker for me though, as I'd get used to them!

@@085AG What colour were the smugglers in the book? Also who are the smugglers, is it CHOAM?

Herbert himself noted that CHOAM was his version of OPEC (though all the houses are shareholders of CHOAM which helps maintain a more limited degree of conflict between the houses along with the prohibition on atomics [all the major houses at least however have atomics hidden just in case too]), and yes it fits a similar place in society to oil except it's not a fuel. Longevity, expansion of consciousness, and a narcotic.

@@cericat Yes, absolutely, although at the abstract level it fulfils the same role as fuel, it's a consumable that is the dividing line between modes of transport that are orders of magnitude different in effectiveness. You either have access or you aren't relevant. The HOW of it being consumed doesn't change its role in politics, although obviously it plays a fairly major role in the other themes of the book. (Which is one of the reasons the book and world-building is so unbelievably good! It's has so many layers.)

Interesting take. I actually feel the exact opposite. I much prefer when Splat goes in blind and I get to see him have first impressions of the game

@@plectro3332 I think that would be fine for a livestream format, but this is far more fair in giving the viewer an overview of the actual game. Often before he would miss entire mechanics because he just hadn't given it his full attention yet. I understand that if you're watching mostly just to watch him play games, that you likely would enjoy first reactions. But I appreciate this channel for being actually useful in figuring out which games I should spend my money on. To each their own.

Good times

Dune 2? Aka the grandfather of the RTS genre?

@@clovermite It was just Dune, not Dune 2 that I remember. Hell I was... in 6th grade I think. But it was my first introduction to Dune and to RTS games.

@@IkariMadness Oh they changed the name for the Genesis port, I didn't know that

There was also a computer game that followed the points of the previous Dune movie made. I think the company Sierra made it. In the 90's sometime.

It's used for nearly everything, from getting high, to navigation, to immortality medicine, to literally food spice.

It’s extremely addictive and the natives will die without constant exposure, tying them to arrakis forever. Also it can get you high with enough

Highly addictive, also used by the dammned witches to grant prescience

It's also addictive

It's a been a long time since I've ready the novel but I recall captain Nefud becoming a spice-addled wreck.

You make it sound like a bad thing?

The kind of damage that time doesn't heal. E M O T I O N A L D A M A G E

goes back further, they were responsible for the early worst MMO launch of history, Anarchy Online absolutely DISASTROUS launch that they screwed people yugely.

Ordos!

It's Northgard with a few more layers of depth on top! However right now there are a couple of glaring issues with the game - I outlined a few of them in my video review

I thought the same at first, but I am on my 6th game now (finally won my first game, on Easy and small map, one AI), and it actually has a lot of hidden depth. That's the problem the game is having, it's cover does not allow you to see what's in the book until you play it a lot. I was only able to win using a combination of military, special operations, and voting some debuffs on the enemy during a council meeting. It was pretty much the most interesting RTS'ish game I've played. And I also absolutely love the stately pace of the game.

I kinda feel the same, I have tried to like Northgard multiple times but it just feels like an unbalanced and boring board game

It’s the same with their earlier game Northgard. It’s a 4X-lite rather than a RTS

The game is somewhat mischaracterized as an RTS. It is more of a lite 4x, where military is most powerful for early expansion, and defense. Beyond that you really need to focus it to be militarily powerful, but there are other methods of messing with your opponents.

I think that’s the point of the game. You can’t field a massive army on a planet that has a little water and a small population. You have to position your airfields tactically to quickly transport your army around to hotspots

You can dominate with military, you need play more

My Fremen horde disagrees.

Agree with that. I’m not a fan of the combat either

Stop whining, you aren't entitled to their hard work for free.

I could deal with that, but then they'd make everyone ride bicycles and that's too much. I'm not wearing f-cking lycra.

That soundtrack by Frank Klepacki. mmmmmmmmmmmm Harkonnen one especially.

That lasgun interaction seems so silly, why wouldn't everyone just use lasgun suicide bombers to nuke their shielded enemies?

@@yaelz6043 because with how the landsraad is they'd nuke whichever house they suspected of committing that plan to extinction. so every house uses its spy network to keep tabs on eachother. so not only would each house make sure their own men wouldn't do it. they also all make sure eachother don't either though a purely insane group could do it without any issues so it is a plot hole. but a forgivable one

There was a StarCraft Custom Game for this. As well as a command and conquer-like that used the dune template.

Spice is worm shit and embryonic/nest/spawning fluids that dry in the sun and extends life into the hundreds of years.

I'm pretty sure we won't get that far. The first book works great as a standalone, and both parts of the book provides enough material for 2 long movies. I don't think making movies about books 2-6 will be profitable. I mean if you look at what was left out from the books and the focus on that in the other novels I just don't see it happening, especially books 4-6

It has a lot of uses beyond just allowing the navigators to sense their way through folding space. Related to that it generally acts to expand consciousness, making it useful to the Bene Gesserit as well (and has a link to the water of life used by Jessica and Paul). It could improve longevity, quite significantly allowing people to live up to around 3x normal spans. It also has narcotic properties, which means a lot of people developed a level of dependency on it. And yes Vladimar and Shaddam IV made a deal to dispose of a popular threat to both of them as house Atreides, and Leto in particular were very popular in the Landsraad and CHOAM Leto understood that, but there were two factors in taking the position of governor, refusal would have seen a reduction of their perceived position and they hadn't expected the sabotage by Yueh or use of Sardaukar (the Emperor's elite soldiers) disguised as Harkonnen troops.

thou art a god you are but a worm. take your falsehoods and feed them to your D dogs