Dungeons and Dragons Lore: Dagon 

But if you’re *undead* set on serving a demon lord, go with Orcus.

​@@KyleJordanGamingI mean I always saw that as a more tense relationship. The aspects of undeath that Orcus values are all about the stagnation and degradation. Litches and similar intelligent undead are just more useful than living servants in reaching the goal of spreading his undead curse across all the realms. They aren't the ideal, they are an unavoidable imperfection.

I've never been satisfied with that. I don't see why the Philistines couldn't have an agricultural god that was also a fish. They were a coastal society, and there's similar precedent in Egypt with Sobek, a crocodile, as a god of fertility and crops.

Well, the deep ocean is very chill.

AJ Pickett I think that might speak more to the horror that is the other Obyrith than the chillness of the ocean.

Shoggoth you say? Well, I have good news for you this week :)

sanddry well he's more like. Hey this sea is nice. I like this vast quantity of fluid. In fact I like this vast quantity of fluid so much I want the beings who spurned it to prove they deserve to come back to it.

Cody Chavez oh my Gods, PLEASE YES!

Good idea Cody, thanks :)

Dragon wasn’t originally from lovecraft

eh, can't blame the poor guy, the bullywug are degenerating as a people over time, much like their evil frog god, how us barely holding onto existence do to all their prayers and constantly sleeping rather than doing anything

@Huginn Bodgaedir yes, it's pretty clear that Lovecraft took the Idea of Dagon from the sumeric Religion. H. P. was heavily influenced by Arabic Folktales and would probably have read about Dagon somewhere in there.

Free drinks voucher for the church of Dagon, also, free laundry services (no dry cleaning)

It's fine as long as you aren't the innkeeper's daughter.

Yeah, why aren't people living behind 60 meter high walls? (Attack on Titan reference).

Because of wizards with legions of exploding zombies and teleport spells, that's why.

Thomas Rush Pretty much. If you are a commoner in D&D and someone wants to ruin your day, they can and inevitably will.

The term for Lovecraft's mythos is yoggsothathery

great song

“This one’s called ‘Murmaider’! It’s about Mermaid Murder!” - Dagon, probably

Yeah, Dagon has his tentacles in many pies (fish pies).

Whatever you do, don't eat the fish pies. I just finished a first draft of land economics. And I was just now trying to get a feel of the economies of sea races, so was just trying to figure out what trade with sea folk is possible. And what the different groups want.

Hmmm, something like the Innsmouth people, yes. Think... transformation into Koa Toa

New player character concept?🤔

DeangeloIDK Dagon is not a monster he is as far removed from them as the highest of divine are removed from your player character he's not a monster he's more like an idea a concept

*chews a suspiciously large squid ring*

Their are many Aboleths. Their is only one Dagon

Obyrith.... It's Obyrith.... Don't listen to AJ's pronunciations

Oh-Brith.

Can I settle for a weekend at the beach?

frosty

Don't Google it with safe search off.

given umberlee's personality and reputation as the "Bitch queen" i'd say would be a minefield to say the least

I'm guessing contentious 😁

@@digunder14 Given Dagon's approach to Demogorgon, I suspect he is a smooth operator type that would try to placate Umberlee. But you're right. That would be like walking the mother of all minefields.

Maybe 🤔 But Dagon would also have competition of obtaining Aboleth worshipers from Demogorgon As most of the followers for Demogorgon are aquatic creatures

Maybe, maybe not. Those two actually seem to cooperate fairly well for ego driven horrors. Despite they both have the significant number of their followers under water they do not seem to be all that jealous of this overlaping of spheres. One can only guess they have some kind of understanding that allows them to be something close to allies. Obviously still demon lords so they won't sacrifice their own interests for each other. But they are something of an oddity. Two powerful demonlords who are not actively sizing up each other's domains.

@@jacobfreeman5444 Dagon works as an oracle for Demogorgon. My guess is that while the demon lords themselves might not have beef with each other and have similar end goals, I'm sure there are a few points of contention between the three of them (Dagon and both of Demogorgon's heads)

@@litchqueenasenath5995 I would see the heads are less seperate entities and more disassociative outlooks of the same entity. The fractured self is lost and cannot find itself despite seeing itself. Who knows what Demogorgon would become if he could reconcile himself with his mirror image. Maybe a god.

That would be a *rough* campaign, dude. You thought losing levels in 2E was bad? My brother, you do not yet know the meaning of Sacrifice...

@@KyleJordanGaming perhaps I do, and my players have yet to learn

@@punchlord That moment when you realize the DM is Griffith...

It is possible. But Dagon is not unlike an alien god. He has that kind of ability to perceive and move. Facing him would just be an aspect. He would be weakened by the defeat but in the same way you would feel weak and disoriented by a really bad nightmare. Even then you gotta ask how many such nightmares has he endured, and how many can you?

There are celestial versions of all terrestrial creatures, so, there are celestial whales, seals, and dolphins.

Essentially, yes.

AJ Pickett you see, I remember this canpaign against Dagon in an underwater setting, and an NPC was an angel disguised as some type of merfolk (at the time I still thought of tritons and mermaids), and when it actually showed itself it was rather weird to see this white-winged humanoid swimming around (he died rather horribly).

Demogorgon.

AJ Pickett Transformers Primus vs D&D Primus? Lol

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AJ Pickett good answer 👍

OK, the real answer is 01010100 01101000 01100101 01111001 01100001 01110010 01100101 01110100 01101000 01100101 01110011 01100001 01101101 01101000

How is playing that class & patron combo?

@@FathersUnited-fufathomless is very cool, probably the best controller that warlock has to offer.

Alot!

Dagon was around well before mr. Lovecrafts stories. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagon

​@@chrisrapelstapskirappe5367True, but Lovecraft's version is used here, especially the one from the film.

The song of the sea

They probably hang out.

Dragon magazine, Dungeons magazine, official sourcebooks, and novels endorsed by Wizards of the Coast. At this point, I'd accept Tome of Beasts creatures from Kobold Press as like, a present-day Fiend Folio. Also, adventure league material is offical lore. Things that happen in video games endorsed by Wizards of the Coast are official lore as well, unless contradicted by sourcebooks (sourcebooks can also contradict material from novels)

Technically, you can just write some cool concepts or draw crazy creatures and Wizards of the Coast might decide to make it ‘Official Lore’ by *stealing* it. So there’s that.

No? Oh I will have to hunt that one down, thanks Arthur :)

I just watched it, and yes, that is a really good movie! By about half way I wanted to find somewhere dry and warm.. and the chanting, the sudden silences, it is a spooky story done very well.

World of MONSTERS It was filmed in Spain or Portugal. 😑

Brother Malachai what is the movie called

+Damian Struiken Dagon?

He was also the main god of the Philistines

Literal meme tier nonsense mate.

@@DCdabest I've forgotten more about Freemasonry,the Knights of Malta as well as the Rosicrucians than you'll ever know sonny.......and i'm NOT your mate bud!

@@michaelkelligan7931 I ain't your buddy, guy

Aboleth are some of the first living creatures to exist, the Obyrith are completely different, and no, there is no real relationship between the two. Aboleth, like Dagon, seek to rule the ocean and keep all creatures in their own domain. They don't want to 'evolve', as they consider their form to be perfect, just how it is.

I could see an aboleth performing a false flag on their enemies. If they think they're fighting Dagon itself they'll be on the back foot. If they never see the creature they might blame Dagon instead of an aboleth making their victory all the sweeter.

In a previous video you mentioned how some of the ancient aboleths are almost godlike in power, Shame they havent flushed out the underwater conflicts that must occur between dagon and aboleths as they vie for control of the depths

It seems that Dagon and the other lords of the deep are dormant for long periods of time, so, perhaps the Aboleth just get up to no good while the old ones sleep, and scatter for safety when they rouse.

He's at your mom's house fingerblasting her ass.

Far Realm, I believe

Aboleth are more like catfish iirc those look like squid or something

#MakeAmericaMadAgain

Did you write it? Please let me know! I am adding it to my collection of quality poems for my younger students to read to practice their fluency and expression and I would like to accredit it rather than have written as author unknown.

@@Craig_Tucker48I looked up the lines and couldn’t find anything so I’m led to believe he wrote it

I wanna hear the story on this poem

.... perhaps I did not make it very clear. He corrupted and destroyed the civilization of an entire ocean, the transplantation of one sea into another caused massive devastation and he turned the people who he damned near annihilated, into his simpering minions. If it was not such a bothersome task, he would simply flood the entire surface of Toril and destroy all life on the land. He is not, a nice, thing. :)

I think there's an app called Dragon+. I believe you can find issues there, but I'm not positive.

@@ryderma1 you're correct, although issues aren't released regularly

A Game of Souls?

Tentacles.

Is Zargon the big floating head from the power rangers?

@@justicedemocrat9357 That's Zordon.

Which part?

I’m 5e probably like 2 or 3, they do epic creatures so dirty

More than what's needed to change a lightbulb.

Kuo-toa for sure.

He is still young to the true rulers of the sea..aboleth..

Fistimus Maximus "We must!... ... ... Let. Them. Fight?!?!" 🤓🙏😵🐙⚔🦑💪🌍👑 *had too much fun watching godzilla king of monsters* "Who are we!?!?... To decide... The legitimacy... Of the gods!?!?!?!?" *starts cheering on dagon*

@@thedarkmaster4747 Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

Ao cannot do anything about the actual power of a god that is not purely local to (at most) Realmspace. Any god with a presence in multiple spheres, such as Lolth, or the elemental deities, or even the entire Mulhorandi pantheon, is constrained by Ao's rules only as far as their interaction with Faerun goes.

Can an multipsphere god kill by destroying him and his sphere? Also is the Abyss is the forgotten realms or in ever D&D realm?

The gods can't destroy the spheres, nobody knows where they came from and for all intents and purposes, they are indestructible (though, there are exceptions to even that rule). The Abyss is multidimensional, so, it is all over the place, and no, I don't think destroying realmspace would kill Ao, he is just.. I guess you could say he is assigned there.

So he can not be killed sucks.

Ao is the boss of that sphere. That is all there is to it. It take another with similar or superior authority to perform a feat like killing him...and I suspect all such are part of some agreement that binds them to non-interference. So long the rules are kept the Overgod and over crowd don't care. That said the actual rules can be...murky. And mortals not exactly beholden to the same set as gods. So...lets say...you had a devious god work on a scheme for eons to get mortals to put the right series of rituals in place that would allow a temporary suspension of said rules for that god...it doesn't even have to go right. Perhaps it having a critical fail is part of the storyline and now somethimg even worse is about to be unleashed. Like Tharizdun. Or accidentally dumping the Dawn War on the planet. Ect. You get the idea.

Not really. Dagon was worshipped as part of a actual religion. So lovecraft stole him to.

More like a homage. While obviously the character of this Dagon goes back to Lovecraft the entity is far older than him.

Public domain yo

Not really as much of HP Lovecraft is over 100 years old now and Lovecraft himself died pretty young so yeah nearly everything that he published in the 1910s - 1920s is either in the public domain or is about to enter the public domain

​@@rejvaik00Theft may have been the wrong word, but the overall theme did come from Lovecraft. I remember seeing Dagon in the 4e MM and it looked almost exactly like the Dagon from the film, Dagon. Homage is fine, but the look should have been changed enough to make it their own.

I do have a video on the Ecology of Gods... the comment section is a dumpster fire, as you would imagine.

@@AJPickett Aah. I'll try and find it then. Does it go into the distinction between the modt powerful demons/devils etc and actual deities? Sorry people are being twerps there.

Dieties (the original ones) have very different origin to demon lords. Ofc. "anyone" can attain a divine portfolio, and gain divinity in this sense (see guys like Vecna for reference). In terms of powers there is little difference between divines, or a demonlord holding a divine portfolio.

Thanks!

Demon lords are almost like Gods in every aspect, their origin being very different though. Oberyth demon lords are even more powerful : they had to reform after passing in our reality,with thousands of lesser entities continuously grasping,biting, tearing at their very being in a desperate attempt to maintain or regain a physical form. Then they had to fight against the primordials first, the tanari later just to keep existing. The fact Dagon is still standing is testament to its incredible power.

Dagon is trans-dimensional, he could be temporarily removed from the world/dimension of Toril, but he would simply slither back in from a parallel dimension, shortly after, or perhaps before he was about to be destroyed (since dimensions don't need to line up, temporally, case and point, the Feywild). The crystal sphere boundary exists as far away from the outermost planet of a stellar system, as the outmost planet exists from the system's central star (or however the system is arranged, not all of them are star systems), so, it is a very large sphere, and yes, there are spheres for Toril, Greyhawk, Krynn, Athas, Mystara, etc.

AJ Pickett but what are the stars that humans on Toril see in the night sky? I mean simple, non transdimensional humans. And, do they know what the stars are ? I'm starting to doubt there should be stars in the sky of Toril at all. Maybe they should just be seeing the reflected light on the few planets inside the sphere and that should be it for the night sky.

There is a Reaper Bones Dagon mini. He doesn't look like how he is described in Forgotten Realms lore but still very cool.

@@Red0Leader not bad bub

Swanster meister Umberlee, the bitch queen.

Nyte Shay Thankee kindly

Cthulhu would bend the knee.

Here you go, the name is Shalarin forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Shalarin

Thank you ~ 💖

Yes, he is among the first, and there are only a dozen of them as far as I know.

Demogorgon has only one friend.... chuck norris.

demogorgon is not even friend with himself. idea, cult of demogorgon finds a artifact of love and will give it to their lord so his two heads stopp trying to kill each other and instead will marry each other. adventurers must break them up

Well, Demogorgon is the Prince of demons. So most are wise to play nice with him. But Dagon is the true demon lord of the depths. It is only because of their amicable relationship that Demogorgon can expand his reach to the oceans. No doubt Dagon is more than strong enough to stop that if it suited him. It is just too profitable for Dagon to be buddy buddy with Demogorgon is all. After all who is gonna say no to Dagon's interests, which scorn dry land, with Demogorgon looming in the background?

well last i checked, dagon is the one manipulating demogorgon a lot of the time and they have an alliance of sorts, dagon secretly whispering things into the ears of one of demogorgon's heads

Demogorgon is dagons little pet.

I know! It annoys me also, I don't know how I picked up that habit and it is incorrect, I apologise.