Dungeons and Dragons Lore: Linnorm Dragons 

It’s debatable, for one Helheim is in Niflheim so that is a bit redundant too.

even so. helheim is a realm accounted for amongst the nine

Eldagusto The Norse didn't really have a specific map imagined for their Celestial realms. So certain places are said to be in multiple places at once if you take all the lore in at once.

Wasn't jotenheim the relm of the Giants?

And I think nefilheim was the relm of darkelvs

If you go by some myths they're siblings.

Oof I know he thinking what I’m thinking XD

They all have a kraken....a Crack in their butt lol

Yikes! That would be a pretty intense fight.

The Midgard uses the Tarrasque as a back scratcher.

Rune king thor in the comics can fight multiple universe destroying enemies at once though. He can also pick up the world serpent in his base form.

@@williethenerfherder2193 Comic book thor is a travesty. North myth makes it perfectly clear that Thor cannor lift the world serpent, he tries to do it twice in the myths prior to Ragnarök, once when he goes fishing and once at the court of Loki of Utgard. Of course he does eventually slay the wyrm in Ragnarök but not before getting enough f it's poison to kill him.

Anacronian sounds like a recipe for tpk

Anacronian said linnoworm

Anacronian they can win if it laughs itself to death.

Sooo the PCs are the bait and their questgiver is quite confident it will work out as planned...and if everything goes south remember: just keep the lizard occupied (until I got away unidentified & untraceable), the rest is optional.

Pants on Dan, this is a family show.

In religions this often means the being was worshipped by a more ancient people who were conquered

*hangs head in shame*

@@AJPickett Lol, your good. happens to the best of us.

I know right?

Both are places that death finds you so easily, then you end up in a kind of endless hell realm. Not fun at all. Yet at least in d&d realm you might be able to crawl your way up from a larvae to a powerful demon, or devil. Yet is that even any good?? No sir.

Vultiidsah The Memelord **Eldritch Screaming Intensifies**

I mean... it could.

Good luck. Lol Played properly by the DM, in other words making full use of their abilities, nature and lore, most chromatic and metalic dragons would be very hard pressed to actually challenge linnorms.

@@NyarlathotepCrawlingChaos They both have innate spellcasting. They would probably rip apart continents with their bouts if they were both ancient.

Eh, I would say the worst mix of the Asian lung and Europe dragon, and more like a snake with two legs and magic.

Scandinavian dragons

Somewhere in the Host tower of the Arcane is a red alarm bell and a hotline sending stone which will get two words to Elminster immediately, those words are "It's awake"

I second that motion!

John Isaac Felipe no, also, lindworms in Swedish folklore are not dragons, nor are they smart as dragons, and strong as dragons, but alot of English men did come from Sweden, Norway, and prehistoric Germany, which all have lindworms, thus where lindworm slaying came from.

John Isaac Felipe nah, it's a religious thing

@@AJPickett what're you on about, we still have Shai hulud down 'ere.

Similar does not equate to besties. :)

Quite right. And most "evil" characters do tend to have very large superiority complexes over everyone, that might also make it difficult, and the thing that many evil hierarchies seem to be in constant strife with those lower trying to take over the ones above them. Still think it might be an interesting temporary partnership as a major plot line. Possibly a long game backstab of sorts even at some point because of the differences.

You mean the "rule of two" right? But probably would be more on that line from that side of the alignment side, where those who are good do not expect others who are good to stab them in the back (unless you want to get into the "good" who go to war with others for their own gain), with the "evil" alignment side you almost always know that the ones below you and cooperating are only doing so with the intent to further their own power and probably take you out when it becomes easy enough for them and beneficial. Just like with the "rule of two", though they accept it as a good thing there.

Its called the "rule of two" because there is 1 sith lord and 1 apprentice, though they always know their apprentice is looking for their own apprentice and the moment they will be able to kill off their own master. That rule came about in the Darth Bane series where he didn't like the sith having more of a cooperating society developed (oddly was working decently for them), so he separated and started the rule of two when he thought that the rest of the sith were almost fully wiped out.

They are highly aggressive sociopaths.

The Skull crawlers resemble the Linnorms. :)

Man I sure hope so, that would be cool

just had scene play in my head, "no young one, was not I. This is how your father died" *replays fight scene*

Coooool question.......

Young dragons

They must be communist. ie: hate corporations, love all the stuff they produce. ;)

The next civilization to crawl out of the dirt will do.

maybe

Ha Ha, it probably should.

Do you know the story of Fafnir?

3.14 Dragon I do indeed, I found it to be more badass than frightening though

MrNotADoor it's not like your DM has taken inspiration from this vid. *innocent smile*

Hmmm, I'll add them to the list.

That fight would reshape a continent.

Anything is possible in your own D&D games.

Warwick: The Uncaged Wrath of Zaun, I already thought of making the character fallen Aasimir, thank you for the thought though, i was just wondering if it would be possible to have devil/demon lords as the overseer of an Aasimir and make sense in a more by the rules standpoint rather than homebrew.

Avoid and redirect.

AJ Pickett redirect to what?!? Lol a small Continent? Lol

Fire, lots of fire. Like, "throwing the sun on them" a lot of fire.

oh, a LOT.

AJ Pickett those aren't true/real dragons, just some pathetic wanna be dragons who dare call themselves dragon's equals.

Zion The Dragon heh heh, sure, I mean, size isn't everything.

AJ Pickett it isn't just the size part.

Zion The Dragon no, of course not. :)

I once heard the imperial measurement system described as having been invented by "a drunk mathematician rolling dice". I can deal with it because I've lived in the U.S. my entire life, but I'll admit that metric makes much more sense.

The majority of my audience is American. I am a New Zealander, but, when playing D&D I use feet & miles & pounds, always have. Doesn't bother me one iota.

+AJ Pickett I understand if you don't think you need to expand your audience. Speaking as someone who don't even play DnD but love the universe, your videos are the one with the most information. But since I don't play it I'm not familiar if it uses the Imperial system or not.

I have heard AJ mix in the metric measurements in vids before. So, he's not entirely trying to exclude you folks;)

@@Dude_1864 Yeah certainly not, god forbid anyone wiggle their thumb or click a new tab and just convert it themselves on the device they are watching the video on.

Most linnorms don't survive past hatchling age, and the older Linnorms get, the more paranoid and insane they become, so, either they get murdered by their siblings, or abused and possibly murdered by their parent... either way, only the most vicious and self serving survive.

means the same thing I think.

Yes, though the D&D creature has been D&Dified, Lindwyrms in norse myth are far from all evil. In fact catching a lindwyrm was considered good luck.

Morgan Mcconal very much so.

dragonlord Where?!?

So what you got was a lung dragon and an amphithere

Markus Nävergård yes, as lindworms are much to stupid and feral to come from the fey, and seeing how the gods, like the dwarf fafnir, can take the form of them and loose god powers, it makes sense that they aren't true dragons, and are WEAKER than dragons. The whole "they are ancient dragons" is dumb, it makes more sense to be like wyverns, in the sense they are distant related cousins of Dragons.

Zion The Dragon it's D&D lore, they are ancient and their origin is Hades. Take it or leave it.

Fafnir was never a god. Fafnir was just a normal dwarf who conspired with his brother to kill their father for the treasure. later Fafnir betrayed his brother and his greed turned him into a Dragon( linnorm) to guard it. And Linnorms in norse myth are not stupid, they are more like Smaug from the hobbit

hmmm Hades eh? thats cool. I dont really know where the linnorms come from in norse myth. they seem to not been made by the gods or the Jotunns. they might all be spawned from Nidhogg though. but where does he come from?

Markus Nävergård in norse mythos, dwarfs are gods, thus why I call him a god, plus, no lindworms (Not dragons) besides the transformed fafnir had smaug intelligence, and even then, smaug from the movies is still dumb, sure he can talk, but that doesn't equate to smartness.

Sadly not, they would definitely be able to take one on in a straight fight, but they would not win. Manda is closer in design to a Chinese dragon and they are noted as being a water dragon, so their main strength would lie in their ideal environment (water). Plus they fight like a snake, focusing on their constriction and occasional sonic attack. Against something that could spew fire/ice/acid or similar, as well as power capable of fighting of their kind gods, it wouldn't really stand much of a chance. Out of all the Kaiju, Ghidorah is probably the closest in strength to a Linnorm and even then it probably doesn't come close.

In "Godzilla: Rage across time" Godzilla annihilated Olympian gods. He even escaped Hell(Godzilla in Hell) Sooo, Godzilla is totally capable of fighting and beating various mystical beast, demons and even gods.

Ah, Godzilla could probably take one on, but I don't think he could beat one by himself. If a Linnorm can fight with one of the creators of their kind, their power is on par with the beings that created them. Godzilla fought gods, demons and kaiju, but even he struggled with King Ghidorah and Destroyah. Both of which are probably similar in strength to a Linnorm. So I imagine he'd struggle to take one on by himself.

I don't know.

Of course , why not? But why would they?

I would say dragons can interbreed with anything chromatics especially because it is in them to dominate

Conveniently enough, that's a good way to kill one of these.

I thought about it but it goes against lore so...eh?

Why not? I will be lucky enough if I survive that my characters kid is gonna be a wemic and I get to play it in 5e so I'm very excited.

It would confuse a lot of Pathfinder players.

shame, it's an awesome creature that i've used in may games before a great pick if your party gets too OP

Miner Moleman nonmagical weapons won't work no matter how much steel you have.

You'd need a lot of skilled mages to enchant that steel for it to be of any use, great for trade, though that would be quite problematic in a century...

and you can roll a dice to see what kind of quality of steel you get, pig steel for low quality and Damascus/black high carbon steel for the high end, standard steel for the in-betweens.

@@Ed_man_talking9 Pig iron has the highest carbon content, that's why it sucks compared to lower carbon steel, though not having enough also has it's drawbacks. Tool steel is better. [Iron, Tungsten and something else I can't remember.]

thanks, I mine he stuff I don't study it.

That could happen. Maybe when the linorms go extinct. Yet there could be an alternate plane. I'm sure the Forgotten Realms has lots of mysteries and lost legends. For exanple there could an ancient white dragon deep within the Spine of the World who was turned to stone by a mysterious bard. Now said dragon could be waiting for a hapless adventurer to accidentally lift the curse. Then the dragon decides to enslave the dwarves in the area. Now imagine if the dwarves had to be rescued by orcs and the PCs. Now that would be an adventure.

Its almost as if Pathfinder got Linnorms right on the money and D&D could learn from that...honestly they'd make quick ass villains.

3.14 Dragon what other gem dragons? He covered all except gemstone dragons, which aren't the same thing.

Like I said, Dragon #158. Never got updated to 3.5.

@@firetarrasque4667 I have read that magazine, and they aren't gem dragons, those three are dragons named after gems, and opal is just a dragon who rules over random neutral dragons, they where more of an example to show players how to make dragons exciting. All gem dragons have been covered, UNLESS you are talking about the Asian called "dragon" lungs, like the jade lung, pearl lung, amber lung, etc. Also, what do you mean never got updated to 3.5? That issue is for 2nd edition.

That's... That's what a gem dragon is. A dragon named after a gem. I'm not talking about the Dragon Rulers, it's the three in "That's not in the monstrous compendium!" Pearl, Jade, and Jacinth. If you want to get REALLY picky, they are never outright stated to be "Gems dragons," they are "Neutral dragons" "Named after gems" of the same family as the gem dragons. And you didn't know? The other Gem Dragons were updated for 3.5, along with the introduction of the Obsidian dragon.

@@firetarrasque4667 yes, thoughs dragons are seen just how the metallic's steel, cobalt, and iron dragons, the chromatic's yellow, grey, purple, brown, and orange are all seen: official-Unofficial knock-offs of the main cast, and most players regard them, and even then, they aren't TRUE dragons of that class, even though they share the same traits, sure they could be considered part of that class, but some, like the jade dragon, is just some creature "related" to them, or MADE from them, thus not being truly a naturally dragon god made dragon. The jade is literally an Asian lung with wings, WHICH AREN'T DRAGONS, LIKE LINDWORMS AREN'T. Related? Yes, a dragon (jade) No. And the pearl EATS the pearls, and no, the other dragons aren't named for what they eat. Plus, other than crystal dragons, the REAL gem dragons don't have specific lair areas, some of these dudes(the ones from the magazines) are trying to either be like metalics(jade), or chromatics (Jacinth, and obsidian.). Pearl dragons aren't even pearl colored, they are grey from what I have seen and read. Plus the obsidians (WHICH ISN'T A GEM) Where an attempt to lead up to a "gem" equivilant of Tiamat, which the devs. Later realised how lazy that would be, and thus, as of now till other wise, canned the idea, plus, the obsidians, if they do return, need MAJOR nerfs, along with maybe a name change to one like Onyx (WHICH IS A BLACK GEM), and have them smaller and WEAKER than the rest of the gems. Over all, he might just talk about them in a later vid. Plus, he gives every minor dragon that don't originate from the main pantheon, of which it is added to, their own vid to get a better understanding of them.

I can't do much about that.

Ofcourse. I merely wanted to add to the knowlage.

Blood Dracolich I believe these lindworms actual appeared in a 1st edition article.

Zion The Dragon, thanks.

Blood Dracolich also, don't know why d&d made them like this, but they aren't dragons, but are related to dragons liked wyverns are. Alot of creatures now called dragons AREN'T dragons, But they are part of the dragon family. Think of them like the non colorful, nor sly version of a fox to a colorful, sly wolf. Both are canines, but both are completely different animals.

Considering that linnorms are the only "lesser" dragons that can go toe to toe with true dragons, I find the difference to be fairly arbitrary; but I see what you mean. Thanks again.

Blood Dracolich welcome, and that's only in d&d that they can go toe to toe with one, plus, it depends on the sizes, dragon, and dm if the lindworm can even stand up to one. And in real life, they aren't lesser dragons.

fun fact, I have never, and am unlikely to ever, played dark souls in my life.

@@AJPickett it’s pretty good. Dunno if anyone ever mentioned that before.

Your opinion on what breed would take the win? Like which type of this linorm would win more times than not

Linnorms would win more often, they have a range advantage at the bare minimum...

I already have.

Remaster video candidate

Whoever wins. We lose.

Vs tun mi lung.

Only one way to find out. Grab some paper and roll up all their stats, and roll initiatives....

ok...?

Good for paizo.

@@AJPickett makes the most sense. I mean I'm pretty sure all the D&d realms they were connected to were copyrighted 😆. And did let them do some interesting things with it.

@@AJPickett this may seem odd, i may after all be misconstruing the tone which if that's the case my bad I mean nothing by it. Do you not like paizo. I mean if thats the case fair enough gods know I don't support them as much as I used to either. But if so I'm curious why? Again I may have just read that more cynically than you meant.

@@dragon200ism Oh, not a malicious tone, more of a "I have more than enough lore to learn with one game system, so I will concentrate on that one thanks" tone :) From my perspective, Paizo was dragon magazine, so I love them for that, but Pathfinder has never much interested me because it is just a continuation of an old rule system, which is FINE, I understand totally that there was a market for it when 4E arrived and was not well received, but, I was one of the people who played 4th edition, and enjoyed it (not so much the lore, but the system itself was boldly innovative and great for new players particularly). Anyway, because of that, I just stuck with WotC and never invested in Pathfinder, thus, I only have a passing interest in it's take on myth and lore, because it can get pretty confusing if my brain accidentally crosses the streams.

@@AJPickett that makes a lot of sense and thanks for replying. I was always curious why PF never seemed brought up but thats understandable. I actually started with pathfinder as it was introduced to me by a friend and I discovered my love of D&d through it, me and my buddies used 3.5s rules pretty often as they didn't need much conversion. And that's how i found your channel as I wondered if there was a orange dragon and your video was first up. Well keep up the good work man. I can't wait for your next video 👍.

My old vids before I started writing scripts... bit of a train wreck, sorry. I am remastering many of the older videos.