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Something I love about this game is that it isn’t afraid to let you be op. One run with the spear of Achilles I had hunting blades, mirage shot, Artemis, Ares AND Hermes legendary. Safe to say Hades lasted about 20 seconds
I once had the chance to get a duo between demeter and dionysus. For the special move. Then the very next stage got a duo between dionysus and zeus again for the special move. It was busted as hell. Hades lasted for like 10 seconds. Soo i had this combination of lightning festive fog and ice in one attack.
I just did a run with this and got the same thing - the DPS was insane. On this same run I also found an exclusive access boon in Tartarus, and then an epic Demeter rare crop the very next encounter. It's probably going to be a while until I see that kind of busted/OP build again.
Was researching if it's Possible to overlab these Dous into a "Triple God Cast". Thank you for Confirming, cause these are the 3 first Gods my current Run gave me. Since i'm still in Tartarus i might even get Zeus×Demeter and make it even more Busted. Fckn melted his last half. Run was a goddamn fckn Powerfantasy.
Im a long time gamer but casual gamer. I have about 50 runs but i havent really paid attention to the finer details of this game. Great job explaining things, there is so much. Gonna play differently now watching your videos. I havent had this much fun playing a game in a long time.
I will say that I got Spent Spirit right before I went into the hydra fight and watching all those purple projectiles just slowly make their way over made my day; A tier boon if I can get it before then
I don't care whether Scintillating Feast is good or not, I rank it max on the fun scale. Watching Theseus and Asterius' health bars straight up melt is a feeling unmatched.
I took the Mirage Shot duo boon yesterday (along with a ton of other Poseidon boons to make it better) and I finally beat Hades for the first time. Your advice is invaluable, thank you!
what a great list. I think your rankings are fair. i have never tried "Merciful End" i got it when I was grinding for prophecies before I knew just how good duos were
Hey Paul, I would like to share some constructive criticism with you from my point of view. What got me interested and subscribed to your channel is my love for the game and wanting to learn more about it. I found your weapon tier list and keepsakes tier list very very informative and after watching them I subscribed. My issue with your content (for hades specifically and rougelites generally) is that its mostly a 40+ min "run videos" and from my point of view if I were to spend 40 minutes watching you play, might as well go for a run myself to maximize the fun with my limited time. My advice to you is to do more of the advice/tips and tricks videos. You play more than most of us and probably more advanced. This I guess will increase your views. An example of some of the videos you could make (non run, preferably below 20 min videos): - specific weapon + boon + boon builds and how you play them (not a complete run) - pairing certain punishments together - Requirements for the different companions (how to finish favors) - tips on farming resources I enjoy the game, I enjoy your tips and I want you to do better :D
The same advice is also repeatable for other games because God knows I am frustrated out of my mind with Enter the Gungeon and slay the spire because I progress very slowly and runs seem quite similar even 8 hours into the games
Although I generally agree, I also want to add that I personally do like full runs too. Maybe during a run he could also give the related advice/tips as it seems necessary. After all, there's only so much... mechanics(?) that could be made into single vids. Tho yeah, specific guide vids would be nice. Stuff like quest for vague prophecies or relationship doesn't seem to have such an online discussion(how many times do I play the thing, how do I get these two together, etc)
Of course he should still post runs. What I meant is maybe along with posting daily runs he can upload analysis videos weekly or bi weekly (short term and long term content). Ooooor like some of the CoD youtubers, dedicade the first 3 to 10 minutes of the video explaining the build that will be seen in the run and why its effective then the viewer has the option to drop the video there or keep watching out of interest.
Definitely! This is actually my plan for the future is regular "run" videos with a curated video with analysis every week to 2 weeks! Cheers! I've actually been doing it for the last two months now!
Get all three duo boons between Dionysus, Zeus, and Demeter; very, very deadly combo of effects right there. You could say it's a... *Perfect Storm.* EDIT: Note, I'm referring to the *current* Dionysus/Demeter duo; it's *completely* different now, than it was when this video was made.
A hidden strength of cold fusion is that jolted does its damage after the status expires, so it can’t get status privilege from itself and one other debug usually. Also, as a Demeter combo, it shares the build with chill, an 8 second debuff, making status privilege easy to maintain.
You were so enthusiastic about Trippy shot on Hera Bow because it removes the lob mechanic. So does Ice Wine allowing you to get direct fire Trippy Shot with the massive damage boost of Achilles' Spear on top of the Ice Wine bonus. It is the best new boon from a Long Winter. Cold Fusion is very strong when it is relevant. For most lightning builds you are constantly hitting with lightning making Cold Fusion completely irrelevant. It's only when your only lightning source is not frequently used that Cold Fusion has value.
Great points! It is possible that i've never seen ice wine when I didn't have Hera bow! That is crazy! As for cold fusion I thought about that but for a few enemies who attack faster than you can apply jolted it is insane. They die incredibly fast. Also it's a 10 second curse which makes priv status trivial to get. Cheers!
Thanks for these videos bro, just started playing the game and it’s been very helpful. Ive been surprised by how good Hades is, so far I consider it up there with FTL and StS as one of the best modern roguelikes (or roguelite, whatever it is lul)
My favorite has to be Poesidon and Zeus. Putting Rupter, Jolt, and Extra Dash on that Duo makes Zagreus an absolutely untouchable DPS monster. I beat Theseus and Asterius on Heat 9 with Chaos Shield in less than 50 seconds purely through dash/splash damage. Hades himself just melted, I did not even need my final Death Defiance
The penultimate tip for any roguelike, action or otherwise, that trumps all other advice: "If it works, it works." Even things that are considered "bad" have a habit of carrying you through a run in the right setup, in nearly every single game within the genre. And Hades is no exception.
Low Tolerance is an amazing boon for the fists, more or less any aspect will work wonders, but I'm personally just a fan of Aspect of Talos, as you just get a FAT damage boost from special, regardless of what special you use, or no special boon at all even. Aphrodite dash, Dionysus attack, dash around punching everything, using special to pull enemies in. Dionysus also has a sick boon where you deal like 30% more damage with 3 enemies inflicted with Hangover. If you want even MORE DOT you can aim for Ares special with the Aphrodite/Ares duo. I actually got my first 32 heat clear with that exact setup.
@@JawlessPaul I definitely prefer the dash for Aphro as you don't need to pray for the boon to make Weakness last longer. Way easier to get the damage bonus going with 8 stacks when you don't have to special everything for Weakness.
Lightning Rod scales with any thunder damage boons, but also with any extra casts you get from Chaos, Arthemis or wheel - each jewel laying around casts its own thunder. If you get 5 casts together any enemies around the area get constant thunder damage. The only negative thing I would say about it is that it is not super fun to use it. You can just circle around safely with Athena's dash while enemies get fried. Poseidon's dash makes it a bit more interesting - you can push enemies towards your gems.
12:12 i've just seen that Sweet Nectar is really Aphrodite Poseidon duo boon, Dionysus and Aphrodite is low tolerance which allow to stack 3 hangover in more on weakened ennemies. 20:00 Now that Heart Rend is 150% additional critical damage it's incredible, i think it work really well with Zagreus's bow aspect or Nemesis's sword, for me i it's game changing, i would give a S tier or a solid A tier at least cause it's better on specific weapons. 33:20 Lightning rode is S tier for me, it work on every build and it's game changing it's just free 70 damage every 1 second as i've, it can inflict jolted or double it with double strike or it can be even more crazy with Artemis legendary, i think of it at superior scintillating feast cause well you just need casts and that's free damage that slowly taking down a boss while you can just chill and watch it burn. 41:12, Ice wine now inflicts freezing and it's not only the cast but the fog, it can be interesting i think cause well the ennemies are already less dangerous in the fog, if they're slowered even more, but at which rate of time it inflicts freezing i wonder, it's maybe A if it's but only B if it's applies slowly
Nice content, if there is anything I would need to point out, I would love a Charon's bow (Ka-Ron), but I much prefer the current Chiron's bow (Ky-Ron). Otherwise, it's a very exhaustive overview of the duo aspect the game offers, which I consider a very well-done job!
I found sweet nectar in tartarus and had found an epic pressure points. I pumped pressure points to 23%. That was a super fun build. I only had five boons aphro attack, Poseidon dash, sweet nectar, pressure points and clean kill but damn these crits with zag bow was so awesome
Ice Wine, if you’re not using the Hera Bow, is the only way I wanna use Trippy shot. Completely removes the lob mechanic, which is so nice. Agree that it’s still not as impactful as other duos though
Smoldering Air is sooo amazing! If you get the right boons from Aphrodite and Zeus, you can literally spam your call. 5 seconds to regenerate, lasts 3 seconds. OP af!!!
Deadly Reversal works nice with Serrated Point, especially Hunter's Mark. Against the right enemies you'll just crit on all three in a row, with Mark for the initial hit and Reversal for the following. Pressure Points never hurts either.
I enjoyed the overview, especially the table graphic at the end to help summarize and visualize the spread of each Olympian. I can't help but notice that there are only five gods in your S-tier: enough to have one each in attack/special/cast/dash/call. Too bad you would need Ares for both cast and either attack or special if you wanted Hunting Blades AND Merciful End, so you can't get all five of those Duos simultaneously. However, I have to respectfully disagree with your stance on Crystal Clarity. Maybe it doesn't match the sheer DPS of some options, but the fire-and-forget nature frees up your focus for further attacking or dodging. If I can manage to get the other Demeter boons that buff the lasers (like adding frost and either the decay status or the burst after 10 frost stacks), then I barely even need to do any other attacks. I personally never minded the lack of piercing since casting each one in different directions is usually good enough for crowd-control, but I concede this is subjective.
@@JawlessPaul I got Sweet Nectar very early in the run while using the rail gun -Heartbreak Flourish Lv. 19 -Cluster Bomb -Inescapable Blast -Razor Shoals "Heroic" -Tidal Dash "Heroic" This was my first run beating Hades other than dash it was a 1 button victory :)
Great vid as always. I came across your channel in November by accident and I must say I really enjoy these kind of tier lists. I hope you keep it up and as many others requested do "god" tier list in general. One love
I want Apollo for a god or something, the cast would be a straight fire beam with upgrade to let it fire off in different directions but for less damage. fire damage and burn on melee strike. special where you make an area scorched briefly. and an aid where you have a light follow you while you move, dealing fire damage to anyone hit by that beam
Just discovered Stubborn Roots today and I'm blown away by its efficacy. Holy shit, Demeter. edit: guessing since it's not on your list, it was added waaaaay post-launch?
Lighting Rod is stupidly strong if you're not very good. Always had trouble with the Theseus and Asterius fight when I just started. Lighting rod + Support Fire on Chiron bow just killed Theseus by accident while fighting Asterius.
Seastorm on Lucy with infinite ammo daedulus, add rupture and jolted..... It's just hilariously OP. Get your maniacal-laugh power fantasy on. Only downside is how much flashy stuff floods the screen.
Does Sweet Nectar work with the pom keepsake or will you still keep getting +1's from it? Haven't unlocked that one yet so I haven't been able to test. Awesome video man! I find myself agreeing with you on most of these, I personally am a huge hangover build fan so going for dio + zeus duo has became kind of an habit for me.
*Sweet Nectar* is an Aphrodite + Poseidon, he got it right the first time... 😂 Dionysus + Aphrodite is additional Hangover stacks on Weak enemies... Edit: Also of note for *Lightning Rod:* Playing with it, it seems to have the hidden effect of decreasing Bloodstone pickup radius, so you're also less likely to pick them back up, which makes it slightly more useful... probably depends on your cast, such as probably working well with *Slicing Blades.*
@@JawlessPaul Interesting one about that, is complaints about aiming reticle for lobbed attacks are very widespread, including from the friend who bought me Hades... that being said, I can say from experience, the assumption it's better with M+KB is true, which could make that more viable... in fact, Festive Fog has to be one of the most fun boons to choose in my eyes,
I feel like if Demeter cast could apply chill stacks on damage ticks, it'd get way better. It would improve room clear thanks to being able to proc things like Arctic Blast and Winter Harvest while being better agaainst single targets as well because itd be slowing them, plus it could apply Killing Freeze by itself. I dunno if that'd get overpowered tho.
I've only gotten the Demeter cast once and it just felt so incorrect that it didn't apply chill. Maybe there should be an extra boon that Demeter could give that adds that feature at a minimum. If not just buffing it outright in a patch.
Sea Storm is definitely top tier for me because it's the only duo boon that lets you apply two curses with a single attack or cast (Ruptured and Jolted). Merciful End technically does too but since the doom effect is consumed you don't get Privileged Status from it. Also I don't think you're giving Heart Rend enough credit. Hestia Aspect Hunter's Mark builds are ridiculously fun.
For Vengeful Mood, on a melee build, especially one that struggles to get privileged status consistently, being able to apply it to everything around you every 3.5 seconds is great. Doesn’t athena’s also deflect for a bit?
It's a good point, the only problem for me is the duration of time between the bursts is too long. Maybe 2.5 seconds, but perhaps it would be broken then... sounds like fun!
for example: im in tartarus still and only have found two normal boons so far and now i have the choice of duo boon exclusive access or a rare boon that makes my special 101% stronger and knocking mobs back (tempest flourish). which one would you take? the 101% on special sounds awesome cause i havent beatem megaera yet after 2 tries on her and it was always very close so i think the 101% more dmg would give me the advantage that i need... thanks for the video and cheers
Exclusive access is what I would take, but if I was struggling to get out of Tartarus I'd take the special just to give me a tool to beat Meg. Exclusive access is more of a long term investment. It's incredible but only if you will get multiple boon packs afterwards.
19:36 I couldn't disagree with this assessment more. Yes, it only works on crits, but that just means it should be part of your damage calculation formula. The bonus is currently +150%, and let's say you've got an Artemis attack boon with a 15% chance to crit. Well, the +150% will proc 15% of the time, so multiplying those two together, you get a 22.5% increase in overall damage. That's still SUPER good compared to other boons, and it only gets better the higher your crit chance is. (Ex: a special boosted by Heart Rend deals +30% average damage, a boosted call does +52.5%, and none of those factor in bonus crit chance mods, which you're likely to have if you're going Artemis anyway). For reference, the Ares damage boon gives +10% damage, the Dinoysus boon gives +3% per fountain (so 12% on an average run), Hermes gives a 10% speed increase (which is roughly +10% DPS)... idk about this one chief.
I got Hunting Blades and Epic Greatest Reflex two days ago and I didn’t even fight anymore I just threw giant Hunting Blades and Dashed cross room to grab the Bloodstones when it was done
i'll type this before i hear your grade and explanations. we approach this game quite differently. it'll be fun to see the differences. hunting blades (A) i'm always happy to see it but you are stuck with a crappy build until/if you get it. sea storm (SS) this might be my favourite duo. i love poseidon so much. it's always a disappointment, if you don't get both curses though. merciful end (C) is not something i get often. the damage is alright. both athena and ares can stay on olympus. go away! curse of longing (B) i wanted to give it an A for aphrodite. curse of longing doesn't do all that much imo. aphrodite carries the run. ares is only tolerated, because he provides privileged. i really don't like ares' boons >_< sweet nectar (D) i don't usually go for poms all that often. this boon does nothing on it's own, and sometimes nothing at all. the good part is that is that you still have aphrodite and dionysus. that's a guaranteed win. needs a buff tier. lightning phalanx (A) athena's cast does a ton of damage. the annoying part is finding your spells again. i agree that it should apply both their curses, if you have them. this is what i go for, when i pick athena. deadly reversal (D) it doesn't do much imo. the run won't be good unless you get privileged from another god. athena stinks. needs a buff tier. heart rend (B) it's alright. needs a lucky setup to get it to work though. i don't have much to say about it. the run's fine, if you don't get it either wayl. nice with hide breaker for photos. exclusive access (D) basically the same as sweet nectar. epic quality isn't too rare once the mirror is powered up. spent spirit (B) the worse you are at the game, the better this boon is. B because, there've been a lot of situations when i've picked something else over it. i like this boon a lot. i wanted to give it an A but then i looked that the other As an couldn't justify it. scintillating feast (SS) your run will be good without it. you run will be stellar with it. your run will be silly, if you have demeter as well. low tolerance (S) your run already has dionysus and aphrodite. low tolerance will just make you win more. it's really good, and it's absolute overkill. vengeful mood (D) i like this boon a lot but it's not good. needs all kinds of buffs tier. lightning rod (C) too much setup required and too situational. almost needs a buff tier. crystal clarity (B) it's really good. the problem is that the base spell isn't great. your run might not be amazing, if you go for crystal clarity. cold fusion (SSS) your run will be good without it. it doesn't require setup to make it work. it deals a lot of damage. it's the strongest duo boon in the game. ice wine (B) it exists. the boon itself isn't great or terrible. your run will always be good, regardless of wether you get it or not. blizzard shot (A) it's surprisingly hard to get. i never got it myself. your run will always be fine. i rate it this high, sight unseen, because it's part of the world ending zeus, poseidon & demeter trio. this is under the assumption that it can apply both curses on hit. all three with sea storm would be the dream.
Was the buff to the Demeter cast making them chill around back in Feb? It takes 3 boons to work, but with the Artemis duo and slowing down foes, the crystals become pretty sweet for kiting around.
@@JawlessPaul I started the game like 2 or 3 weeks ago. I'm kinda late. But stubborn roots are really good for beginers. It gave me 2 of my 4 first win :D.
It's mostly the same. There were a few slight nerfs to the S tiers (Merciful End went from 50 to 40 bonus damage) and some of the best boons have harder requirements. Check the codex
@jawlessPaul Was cold embrace (demeter/aphrodite) out when you made this video? i just escaped a run using it and it is truly game altering when you find it and i was wondering your thoughts on it
I would be super happy if they did! Duo boons are the best! It's a lot of boons to add though. Right now I think Zeus has the most duo boons of any god. 6 total!
"Doom is some of the highest damage in a single hit you'll find" Me, using Aspect of Arthur + Deadly Strike + Heart Rend: "How cute. You think doom can get high damage."
@@williamreely3455 I thought that might be the reason, but alcohol is also a poison and party drugs are probably not that good for you either, that how I justified poison in my mind haha
@@JawlessPaul No pressure. If ya do, consider putting them in a tier list. I guess if I have a suggestion like that it needs to come with a sub... so, well, welcome to my regular youtube feed. Enjoy some Premium revenue.
Good point! However the super poms in the Styx shop will grant 4 levels instead of 2, which is pretty decent. It's also not that great because of diminishing returns on poms.
