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Dynamic Mic vs Condenser Mic I Shure SM58 vs Neumann U87
Is it OK to use Shure SM58 for Recording Vocals? Shure SM58 vs Neumann U87
Is it ok to use a dynamic mic like this Shure SM58 for recording vocals?
Everybody use SM58 at anywhere. But this workhorse can be the one for recording vocals instead of a condenser mic like U87.
This time, I’m going to compare a dynamic mic, this SM58 to a condenser mic U87.
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@skunkproductionsMLA 4 года назад

The SM58 was originally designed as a studio mic, but when it did not sell that well, they relegated it to live use and sold like pancakes.

@oceanlovesmusic Год назад

That is a cool and good fact to know thanks 😮

@mattwarrensocal 2 года назад

Very nice comparison. The SM58 is a true workhorse. I do believe, however that both mics would become defective if I were to sing through them. That would be my excuse.

@JohnKenneymusic 4 года назад

I always had the best vocal recordings with the SM58 always wondered thought I was the only one glad to know I'm not alone.

@magnuseriksson8081 3 года назад

I feel the same and started to think my hearing might be too bad to hear how good it should be with a more expansive mic

@Kizamime 4 года назад

Great video! It's interesting how versatile the SM58 really is. I have used it on snare drums, electric guitar amps, vocals, and even a bass guitar cabinet. They're extremely useful and everyone should have at least 1 in their arsenal.

@knobtechnology Год назад

That's right! I use this like universal plug and play!

@Seilent 4 года назад

in the end good vocalist is what really matters

@im0uS 3 года назад

He's really good imo

@billrobertjoe 3 года назад

no, if you have bad engineering/setup it'll sound bad

@ZALAB-to6im 3 года назад

Uve missed the point here

@callenkoa2574 3 года назад

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@johnnyaydin4421 3 года назад

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@digitalkmultimedia 4 года назад

Bravo! There is so much hype on condensor mics that leads to confusion. I thought I did all my research and studies etc and kept buying condensors because Dyamics were labeled as good for live performances. However, you have to factor in where you are recording, why you are recording, and how good a vocalist you are. In fact, this is more key than anything else. Yet it gets less attention in reviews. In my case, in an untreated sound room like my bedroom and with an amateur voice and intention of striving to improve with practice really meant a Dynamic mic is the way to go. I need a mic for a bit of spoken word and some singing. I just wanted to sound decent on home recorded demos etc. A condensor turned out too be too sensitive and overpriced for this. Its like deciding to drive a super car without enough experience. Of course one will end up driving badly. Not enough mic reviews talk about this. Untreated room means do not use a condensor. Especially in the home environment.

@pasoundman 4 года назад

No way can a youtube video ever give a chance for the U87 to excel and the guy's vocals will sound much the same with almost any half decent mike. The SM58 is indeed a 'half decent' mic and it shows when given half a chance.

@zachbrady8168 3 года назад

SM58 or SM57 though?

@MrFree-vj8qj 3 года назад

@@pasoundman no its an absolutely decent mic, more than enough for anything, as for your argument; RU-vid videos are where people listen to music. the price is so it acts like a drug. thats all there is to it.

@pasoundman 3 года назад

@@MrFree-vj8qj The SM58 is a 52 year old ABORTION of a decent mike that's so 'low tech' that Shure now make kit in Mexico. There's simply so much better for far less. It's acceptable (but not great) for live sound use but has NO PLACE in video production.

@skooby_doobie_doonkann3334 3 года назад

Plenty of professional recording artists record vocals using dynamic mics but generally dynamic mics are favored and really only mic used for live applications. You're exactly right, its not that a dynamic microphone will not work for studio recording

@npc-ro6mv 3 года назад

Yow dude. This is great content. No BS, concise, and straight to the point. Dont stop man

@stringstorm 2 года назад

The SM is SM58 literally stands for Studio Microphone. It was meant to be used in a studio environment.

@rocknrory Год назад

I really appreciate this comparison Daniel! I've been thinking about buying a LDC mic since I'm about to start recording vocals, but realized I should just use my SM58 since my small bedroom has bad acoustics. Plus, more time focusing on performance than a little bit extra high-end tone. Your video makes me feel better about my decision. A LDC (I'm eyeing a Mojave 201fet), can come later. Glad to discover your channel, hope you start making videos again, even if occasionally. Cheers!

@seerpou 3 года назад

mariah carey said she recorded her demo tape with a cheap drum microphone, and that it sounded better than her debut album because of the sounds that the mic caught.

@Kristoff2005 3 года назад

OMG another lamb! But, now that you've mentioned it, I'm wondering what she used. I heard she liked the airy sound of it, might look into it.

@b3naqua Год назад

Good video! I’m always impressed at how well the SM58 performs compared to much more expensive mics

@mttlsa686 2 года назад

i've found that dynamic mics are very useful to home recording. They have a very low background noise and if you set the gain properly you can sing almost with your lips on the grid and it will compress the signal itself...Did anyone noticed the same thing?

@-whiskey-4134 4 года назад

I use an SM58 for recording my vocals because it doesn’t feel or sound natural if I’m not moving around and changing positions. I do “metal/harsh vocals/screaming”, so depending on what I’m doing I may want to stand, hunch over, or w.e. If I stand still facing one direction the entire time I cant get into it. My buddy who does cleans is the opposite and uses his own mic as well (sorry, I don’t remember what kind).

@MrFree-vj8qj 3 года назад

damn right, thats what singing is all about. you can only get certain tones and emotions by moving the body

@Viddadinho 3 года назад

thanks bro .. I was thinking how to buy a new expensive mic ..now i know that my old dirt sm58 will do the job !

@damonwolf7222 3 года назад

Thank you so much. As a primarily rock & metal vocalist just recording at home in an untreated room, I think I will NOT waste my money on a large diaphragm condenser mic and just buy a decent interface to record the EV 767 dynamic microphone I already own. If the Shure SM58 sounds this good, I already know my EV 767 will sound light years beyond this plus do an even better job of rejecting the negative attributes of my untreated recording environment.

@silence604 4 года назад

Dude the comparison it’s cool and all, but your singing dude... your fucking singing! It moved me :) your voice is so beautiful

@miguelsalami 4 года назад

Are we comparing dynamic & condenser mics here❓ I like the Shure SM58.

@mistersandy 2 года назад

Bravo, nice voice. You've just proved that the microphone doesn't matter at all, as long as it's decent. Your voice sounded nice on both.

@kwengamusic437 Год назад

So awesome, needed a quick fix , set up. Knew it would take some gain staging and this is a great help! Thank You bro

@shaniell.mathur6372 Год назад

The shure sm58 is an amazing mic , Great video , thanks for posting

@functionform 4 года назад

I'm blown away by how close they are. I randomly searched for this comparison because I happened to hear them close together by accident, and I thought they have a very similar character in certain conditions. This sort of confirms it? Also, the way you are hold the u87 makes me so nervous, please put it down carefully lol.

@leonardoweigert4435 3 года назад

So...the problem is my Voice 😭😭😭

@jonaslowack 4 года назад

When you can get 32 SM58s for one U87, does that mean you can record a choir? ;)

@ChaceBonanno 4 года назад

Lmao true

@chickensnakefilms6913 4 года назад

I want to know why not. What happens if one does. Sorry for being a noob but i wanna learn please.

@pasoundman 4 года назад

Blimey, you plan to close mike multitrack a choir ? What happened to the crossed pair ?

@Blueguitar007 3 года назад

Ya but 32 cables will cost you

@yigitakar6127 5 лет назад

Sm58 sounds more live

@HongDaniel 5 лет назад

Yes, SM58 has more 2-4kHz so it sounds forward. But it can be too harsh.

@pasoundman 4 года назад

@@HongDaniel Nope, its 'presence peak' is more in the region of 5-10 kHz. Agreed that it sounds 'harsh'. I use desk EQ to mould the sound rather than importing fixed EQ from a microphone.

@MrFree-vj8qj 3 года назад

@@HongDaniel I think you just sang a bit louder tbh, its all eq'd and compressed anyway

@Blueguitar007 3 года назад

@@HongDaniel the 58 is not harsh, it's warm. Only if you get too close.

@jamestheradioman 3 года назад

Great review bro!

@jamestheradioman 3 года назад

Awesomeness! Great review! Totally shocked how close to sound quality of an sm58 is to a u87😲!

@lundsweden 2 года назад

Good comparison... the Shure sounds amazing IMO!

@rachel1535 Год назад

thank you for this! i've been looking for a mic i can do anything with and someone recommended the sm58. i was a little unsure of the performance because of the low pricepoint but im sold lolol.

@valcrist7428 20 дней назад

For beginners I would think the SM58 would be a more practical mic.. but it can be used professionally too. It's easier to use and in the bedrooms it would not pickup much of the background noises as it is a dynamic mic. The first time I used a condenser mic.. it would pickup the slightest noise outside the bed room.. very annoying. Cheaper too and can be used live. Very good all rounder mic.

@ishudshutup 3 года назад

Actually heard more detail in the high end with the SM58 but sounded slightly more rough than the U87 which seems to roll off the frequencies at a smoother rate. U87 if you just want something that sounds good out of the box with minimal editing. SM58 if you want a more neutral sound and want to work it in post. For the price, no question, SM58 all the way.

@MonsieurVersatile 4 года назад

Great video. A lot of myths busted there! Love to see the same test but with the eq adjusted to knock out the SM58 presence lift.

@psysword 4 года назад

I used to wonder if vocals could ever sound weird on a U87.... Its just the intonation that's too sharp for me....I guess i like lower register vocals. this drove me up the wall.

@AmadeoKwon 10 месяцев назад

공사장에서 녹음해도 컨덴서 마이크를 쓰는 게 낫다는 말이 있지만, 이 영상 보니 확실히 다이내믹마이크도 레코딩으로 쓸 수 있는 장르와 상황이 분명히 있다는 걸 알겠네요. Sm58 구매해야겠어요. ㅎㅎ 오래 전 올리신 영상이지만 뒤늦게 감사 드립니다~

@zip7806 3 года назад

This Video Proves it pays to have a Great Preamp. 10734 Makes the Sm58 sound better than the U87. Now hide a SM58 Element in the Body of a U87 and do a blind test to see if any one will notice.

@Anime-nl9mr 4 года назад

Here's a challenge: Can you make a video in which you make a SM58 sound like a Neumann? for voice overing & voice overs? Thanks a bunch!

@MrFree-vj8qj 3 года назад

no sound can be exactly replicated, they sound already very similar, and no sound is "better"

@recappedrelapse2614 2 года назад

what the dude above me said, not even two u87s will sound the same. Two u87s will definitely have a similar flavor tho that most people who own one can tell apart from other mics. I have a u87 and I can tell when someone else is using one as long as it hasn't been mixed yet.

@ottam 3 года назад

The Neumann sounds softer in the highs without sounding rolled off. It sounds very sweet. There is more "beef" in the 58 and there is a slight resonance in the upper mids, to my ear. But for sure, the Neumann is not 40x better than the SM58.

@MrFree-vj8qj 3 года назад

"better" does not exist, all that will be EQ'd to fit the song, expensive gear is just for rich people desperate for creativity, they use it as an expensive drug to get high

@ottam 3 года назад

@@MrFree-vj8qj I don't know. I have a $350 condenser and a $110 dynamic and one sounds a great deal better than the other one. Guess which one.

@anamarsproductions360 3 года назад

trying to decide between the shure sm58, shure sm57 and at2020 so ty for this!

@jorgelavin 4 года назад

A good comparision also would be the sm58 vs a cheaper condenser like the neewer 800

@JamesLex 3 года назад

This one is pretty close: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--5C5Hvaffsg.html

@dragospetrescu484 4 года назад

you the best dude, looking forward to working with you in the future, PECEE

@tukoramirez8478 4 года назад

thanks for this awesome review, could you do a Preamp comparison (as the other relevant item in the audio signal cuhain)?? thanks

@Trinergy-Livewire 2 года назад

Yes! Madonna recorded vocals in the producers living room on a SM58. Better voice needs less "baby powder" on the mix needed. Men at Work singer needed only a mic.

@cristianbatelli5873 3 года назад

Awesome review Daniel! thank you!

@tomspiller2449 4 года назад

I like the sm58 more

@olympian3 8 месяцев назад

Bros voice is 💫 beautiful 💫 thanks for doing this review!

@newcastlemusicstudios 4 года назад

A sm58 is solid for rock vocals But if you can sing well... I'd stick with a condenser mic.

@amsedelm 2 года назад

I would also notch down the SM58 to get that slight nasal tone out. Great video.

@Blueguitar007 3 года назад

I like the way the 58 had been the same price since the 70s as far as I remember.

@transaphonic 2 года назад

Excellent video and I appreciate the comparison with actual singing 👍

@DannyKavka 2 года назад

So many videos have the vocalist just shouting/bellowing into the mic with no dynamics. This video really lets you hear the details.

@thegroovegrid 4 года назад

Great 👍🏾 video I’ll be grabbing one to do vocal and drum samples with. Keep doing you thing my friend

@navalshastri Год назад

Thanks alot for the comparison 🙏✨💖

@smokehashxuriahjahvid 5 месяцев назад

I have used both mics. The nueman mic is so sensitive it pics up everything, it's really not useable if you don't have a real studio, vocal booth. Sm58 is not so sensitive it is much better to use if you don't have a real vocal booth and studio. Most importantly what happens behind the mic is 1000% more important than the price tag or mechanics of the microphone.

@_Junkers 10 дней назад

After buying a counterfeit SM7b and replacing it with a SM58, I wish I had just bought the '58 in the first place. Much better value for money and to my uneducated ear and with some EQing, it's virtually indistinguishable .

@theoffbeats1890 3 года назад

Very well done and informative!

@finlayfatknees 3 года назад

nice video, you've given me a lot to think about. thanks.

@MichaelTimbangOfficial Год назад

Thank you. You gave me idea to use dynamic mic far from vocals.

@OutpourEast 3 года назад

No clue what you were sing but dude it sounded fantastic on both mics in my opinion

@MechanicsDIY 4 года назад

good comparisson . shows the actual diffrence is in use purpuse not so much in quality .

@azharmalik3703 5 лет назад

hey man youre great,would love some mixing with waves tutorials from you ",subscribed"

@HongDaniel 5 лет назад

I will. Thanks :)

@stitchmywoundz17 4 месяца назад

that's cool and btw you have a very nice voice!

@gabemyself7522 4 года назад

Thank you for the video, very informative.

@bobsanders2145 5 лет назад

tracking = buy the best gear you can afford. mixing = plugins will do the trick (:

@HongDaniel 5 лет назад

That’s true :)

@OssianOtt 2 года назад

With my eyes closed I could not even notice when you made the switch from u87 to sm58

@buenbeat6181 4 года назад

58. Legend. Sounds spectacular. Blows the Neumann in this situation. 99 usd! jajajaja

@Verbsdescribeus 4 года назад

i have them both for years

@user-mm3fj4ou8y 2 года назад

Much better than expected.

@I-LOG 3 года назад

sm58 is a little edgier with little room sound but the u87 gives more detailed breath and more room sound

@rekanlanksbd 4 года назад

amazing review bro

@skooby_doobie_doonkann3334 3 года назад

I bought an SM58 for a reason brother!

@cowboy7x 3 года назад

Nice video. But just a suggestion. Flip back and forth more often for comparison. Too long on one mic is not great for hearing the difference. Again, it was helpful. I think I'll just keep my Beta 58A for home recording for a while.

@isiahstevens8320 4 года назад

This helped a lot thank you!!!

@merjaymermanph 2 года назад

I MIGHT USE audio Technica at2020 for condenser and shure sm58 for dynamic,,,perfect combination

@cole1 3 года назад

Sounds amazing! What's your chain like for the sm58?

@Hi-xs7wm 4 года назад

Excellent video (and music) !

@mgnq 4 года назад

Awesome video! i needed a lot, im new in the field of music production and i wanted to buy a mic to record my singing. After seeing a lot of mics on my price range, the one that i like the most was the shure beta 58, which is a dynamic mic, so i was no sure about it bcs of the same myth about condenser mics for studios... But since i dont have the sound treatments in my room, i think a condenser mic it might be not the best idea.. should i go then for a beta 58 from shure? i would really like to know your opinion :), and also thanks for making this video!

@IssaAzad 3 года назад

58 is great just do a great performance and look up mic placement on RU-vid and mixing vocals for best sound

@mgnq 3 года назад

MeadowBrook100 thanks!🙇🏻‍♀️👌🏼

@replaysoundproductions148 2 года назад

I didnt understand a word you said . But i love it

@2005Emigrant 4 года назад

Great Video!!! Can I ask you which mic pream would you take for SM58?

@TraumklangRalfLederer 4 года назад

Thank you very much. Greetings from Germany :)

@adonnimodeste8688 4 года назад

Can you do a comparison between the Sm58 and Sennheiser e840? Or comment which is better at a flat setting.

@keitomineproductions4133 Год назад

the problem with the internet is that we're so used to the idea of "Min maxing" that we forget about thinking outside of the box. Everyone pushes condenser mics because on paper, they are the best mic. But we have to remember that this is art, and not science. In school I was taught that dynamic mics can be used for vocals, as it's just simply not always necessary to use condenser mics. If you really need to capture the vocal details (see voice actors, narration) sure. Even in some cases with music. But people end up overshooting for a lot of things in the grand scheme of things. And still you could also argue that these devices are also more affordable. But in the peculiar case of dynamic vs condenser... Take groove boxes for an example. Some have interfaces built in. The MPC live 2 is a studio in a box, but it lacks phantom power. so instead you'd use a dynamic mic.

@mikehopkins4040 3 года назад

Didnt know what you were singing but sounded pretty good.

@lighth7h-im3gd Год назад

really good content you deserve it all

@Josh-ct6ue 4 года назад

Great vocals

@kissapeles 3 года назад

What happens if you accidentally turn on phantom power for SM58? (i have a focusrite 2i2 that doesnt individually turn on phantom power for the inputs).

@jani11 4 года назад

SM58? SM stands for Studio Microphone

@supremo-official 4 года назад

Which preamp and converter did you use? I love how the U87ai sounded on your voice. It usually sounds brighter and cheaper in the top end, yours seems to sound closer to an original U87!

@supremo-official 4 года назад

The link in the description doesn’t work

@Zinstudios1 4 года назад

Nice tutorial.👍 pls what is the font you used for the comparison

@taylorhamm1068 4 года назад

2:06 2:55

@jasonshrestha 3 года назад

1:44 2:05 2:28 2:49

@rubygraham7476 2 года назад

Great voice my g 💪🏽👌

@SheepYT 3 года назад

How much would a decent preamp for sm58 cost?

@ShadovvV 4 года назад

Why in the living hell is the U87 so expensive? For 3k, that whole damn thing should be gold plated. Total rip off.

@chrisw5742 4 года назад

Try a tube U47 ...$8k

@ShadovvV 4 года назад

@@chrisw5742 - yeah, it just doesn't make any sense to me. There aren't any electronic components going into a microphone that could possibly total 8k. It's just price gouging, plain and simple. Even the Chinese have made knock-offs for around $100. Other than that, if there's a power supply, it's not like there's solid gold plating in it either. It's just a big fricken transformer with a few more components. That said, what could it possibly be that makes it so ridiculously expensive?

@intervalkid 4 года назад

Nuemann invented the modern condenser microphone basis for the circuit if I'm not mistaken. So they get extra. Also I'm not certain how much I believe these demo's, they make almost all mics sound nearly identical. There are differences between mics of the same brand and model! You change a single resister or capacitor and your mic will sound very different even if you just change the brand of cap. the SM58 is a great mic especially for the money but I don't believe that it is nearly identical or even largely comparable with basic mid dynamic singing to a U87.

@ShadovvV 4 года назад

@@intervalkid - Actually, I think Telefunken has a longer history. I even have a vintage microphone capsule that probably proves it. It's stamped with the date 1901.

@hINC 4 года назад

Because it is a professional tool that will work for decades. Designed by real engineers for professional users. There are much more parameters than just audio quality to a product in that league. You probably won't understand much of that anyways, so buy yourself a Chinese knockoff and be happy with it. Imagine going round a race track in a Chinese knockoff car versus driving that course in a Mercedes-Benz or a Porsche. Regards from Germany. Be happy in your limited world! :-)

@anthonxs9580 4 года назад

Thanks 👍👍

@adonnimodeste8688 4 года назад

Best comparison vid ever...

@JunkyardSam 3 года назад

First, great voice. That is a beautiful recording regardless of mic. Secondly -- I was shocked at how good the SM58 sounds compared to the Neumann. I could hear a quality difference but it's subtle compared to the price. I'm sure there are certain cases where the Neumann would outperform, being a condenser -- audio further from the mic. Quiet nuances, etc... But for singing on a normal song? SM58 sounds great. One thing for sure -- for a nice condenser mic I would probably go with an off-brand clone like a Warm Audio rather than a Neumann. I think Neumann is for wealthy/rich people bragging rights and studios that need to have it to impress customers.

@phuzbrain 3 месяца назад

They sound very close... the 87 does have a wider frequency response but the average person would not hear that difference.

@winemanvision 2 месяца назад

How they can sound very close? You haven't the ears?

@phuzbrain 2 месяца назад

@@winemanvision Bite me

@winemanvision 2 месяца назад

@@phuzbrain No, I ain't bite Japanice. You did this video specially to get the audience in your channell, Am i ain't right?

@keithbranch7718 Год назад

Why not used a Klark microphone booster that cost $49 n then compare them

@michaelzsifkovits 4 года назад

Thanks man.

@showerasmr5764 5 месяцев назад

the u87 doesn't sound good raw to me, but i know it will sound better in a mix

@agri2986 6 месяцев назад

컨덴서용 마이크 스탠드로 어떤 브랜드 어떤제품 넘버 사는게 좋을가요? 지금은 k&m 21090 쓰는데 좀 부족한더 같습니다

@taliesintenerelli8510 4 года назад

U need to change the settings on ur noise gate!! Other than that great vid!!

@jasminecjw 4 года назад

why does my sm58 sound muffled and dull?

@tarutran6391 4 года назад

Jasmine C are you singing into from a distance, usually with handheld mics people tend to sing with their mouth right up on it causing it to be muffled

@jasminecjw 4 года назад

Andy Taru is it because my gain in audio interface too low

@tarutran6391 4 года назад

Jasmine C i turn my preamp 80-90% when using my sm57 so i think most pre amps can be turned up loud enough for the sm58

@blurryfaseswayez9238 4 года назад

Yea might need to add a preamp to your interface ...I used condenser microphones but I’m thinking about switching to dynamic mic for a different sound