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Dyno Test Of Chinese BBC Heads 

Eric Weingartner
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I give real dyno numbers comparing Promaxx 317cc BBC heads to AFR Enforcer BBC heads. Same engine same dyno same day.

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@michaelcoger4626
@michaelcoger4626 Год назад
I had a small block Ford with ProMaxx heads. Having taken them to ProMaxx and being allowed to watch them do a spring upgrade and seeing the care they put into assembling the heads with quality parts is impressive.
@lawrenceskrobarczyk4402
@lawrenceskrobarczyk4402 Год назад
Great video ,awesome content keep up the great work 👍
@davidcallahan5157
@davidcallahan5157 Год назад
Awesome ERIC!
@rickyfulks889
@rickyfulks889 Год назад
Great info Eric, thanx
@NotempoT
@NotempoT Год назад
Great content!
@jcnpresser
@jcnpresser Год назад
Really awesome, real world numbers!
@AB-80X
@AB-80X Год назад
Sunday and dyno testing. Great!
@lance4217
@lance4217 Год назад
Great Video, I run the Promaxx 317’s on my 498 BBC with an 8-71 Supercharger. Gotta say these heads Are A Very Nice Piece and make Great Power, wasn’t mentioned in the video but these are Chinese Castings that are Professionally Assembled in The US by some Really Knowledgeable Guys, I’ve Spoke with them on a few occasions and couldn’t be more happy with their customer service and advice.
@docsmallblock6584
@docsmallblock6584 Год назад
My son has a set of their "Maxx 200" sbc heads on his 383ci sbc and that thing rip's! He's had them on there 3 or 4yrs at this point, no problem's whatsoever. Castings looked great, no flash anywhere, nice and clean, I say good heads!
@msh6865
@msh6865 Год назад
Still hoping for a budget true oval 260-270 head for us street BBC guys. If it's Chinesium, so be it. We just want a lighter aluminum head to replace our 049/781 boat anchors. We just need something that performs about the same as a mildly ported GM iron head minus the weight. Most of us street guys don't spin our engines past 6000 anyway so the bigger 7500+ capable heads are more than we need. The Brodix Race Rites and AFR 265's are awesome heads but, not easy on the wallet for guys with kids and a mortgage. 😁
@chevyrc3623
@chevyrc3623 Год назад
Pretty good results and honestly that 625 lbs and 685hp and i think that's pretty good for a 496 and i get it a lot of people made more power on a bbc and all that but really with just lower buck heads and nothing top of the line what i think it's making good power. Amd if people say oh that sucks then bave them build there own big block and see how much hp there making. But keep up the good work
@ryangulley2051
@ryangulley2051 Год назад
I have my afr 357mags on my 540 118 mm turbo does just fine
@AB-80X
@AB-80X Год назад
@@ryangulley2051 What was the point of your comment other than to let the world know that you those heads and a turbo? How did it in any way relate to what Chevy RC posted? So you have those 357's, good for you - cute little head. I run SR20's ported by Morgan on a 583, so, I'm cooler than you.
@msh6865
@msh6865 Год назад
A pretty small cam used in this too. Don't forget that.
@hankclingingsmith8707
@hankclingingsmith8707 Год назад
GREAT JOB. WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO SEE WITH BIGGER CAM. I AM SURE WITH THAT CAM WOULD BE VERY STREET DRIVABLE
@donavan2676
@donavan2676 Год назад
more cam, or just more valve spring, and titanium retainers, would have been over 700 HP
@WeingartnerRacing
@WeingartnerRacing Год назад
More cam and solid roller springs
@sc358.
@sc358. Год назад
Interesting thanks luv the videos! Seems traditional valve angle BBCs like the larger intake valve. Perhaps as the port gets straighter (9° vs 26/24°) the coefficient of discharge matters more?
@musclebone7875
@musclebone7875 Год назад
David Vizard! Said that the big block chevy is under valve from the factory. They love big intake valves.
@sc358.
@sc358. Год назад
@@musclebone7875 Vizard has some good stuff for the more conventional builds. Agree with how he tends to use a tighter lobe separation with less duration (but similar overlap) on most builds. Think as you get into more modern race heads someone like Darin Morgan is a good source
@GJ-DT
@GJ-DT Год назад
Every Dyno comparison I've seen has the AFR 265 beating everything.
@michaeldinke6540
@michaeldinke6540 Год назад
I will go ahead and order your book. Very good information. Cam specs are in the book, correct?
@WeingartnerRacing
@WeingartnerRacing Год назад
Yes
@biastv1234
@biastv1234 Год назад
The dyno does not lie ✅
@v8packard
@v8packard Год назад
Unless they adjust the corrections or use the switch on some Superflow dynos that cranks up the output numbers. If you see a dyno printout, pay attention to volumetric efficiency, fuel flow info, and atmospheric conditions.
@bobistuff
@bobistuff Год назад
would still love to see a pair of brodix dragon slayer 320s compared to these two heads!
@bradbain7587
@bradbain7587 Год назад
I’m building. 496 with the longer rods and weisco pistons using the cam that comes in the 620 hp 572 crate engine been looking at the Skip White Bravo oval ports curious as to your thoughts on those
@jarvislarson6864
@jarvislarson6864 Год назад
I love hearing the loading on a dyno run...like" yeah baby!pull you Clydesdale you!!"
@moparjohan
@moparjohan Год назад
Flow is more important for torque than most people think. And size do matter 😉
@ShawnGilbert1967
@ShawnGilbert1967 7 месяцев назад
I've run a LOT of hybrid (solid pressure fed lifter usually morel) hyd roller combo on street for 10s of thousands of miles at 0 lash cold.... You HAVE to run up near the non billet cam core max over the nose pressures to get the benefits, if you don't run enough spring it will nose over exactly where the hyd lifter usually gives up around, drum roll 6200-6300 no matter how big your cam and ive done it with AFR 305cc among others....to 7500 on a 468ci and even boosted..... Get close to what the core can handle, get a high quality ( ive even used the dissimilar metal bushing type like EZ rolls ) with direct pressure fed oiling ( made a huge difference in true street durability), and the induction/cam timing events are your limitation....assuming good geometry.... Not solid roller pressures just under...the last combo I had a hyd roller profile ground on a billet core with an F1A-94 blower and the sky was the limit on rpm or power....lasted years and still running to next guy ( that had a brodix head on it)... Man with that low lift cam been nice to see it with 25-30 more lbs and lighter valve train...ive even changed rockers and moved rpm to peak...I fought this for 20 years..I got some high dollar hyd rollers to 6500rpm BUT its gonna tick cold or tick hot....my setup at a light zero pure cold lash was SO silent you can't even imagine it...
@kingoftheplanet392
@kingoftheplanet392 9 месяцев назад
How much difference in horsepower and torque do you think the small amount of compression ratio between the two heads being 119 and 123 could make you think that could make up a 10 horsepower difference then it's a little bit more comparable but the flow on the exhaust of those pro Max is outstanding
@kingoftheplanet392
@kingoftheplanet392 2 месяца назад
What intake gasket are you running on The promaxx heads in this video those match up real nice to the ports
@mikeisabella4539
@mikeisabella4539 Год назад
Been running ProMaxx on my 390 BBF bored/stroked to 445CI. They are a pefect street head for the money. Honestly, i had edelbrock performer heads on the same car and these seem to be a better head. The heads are built and ported in the USA Even though they are casted in china.
@goofball4718
@goofball4718 Год назад
What was the port size differance, and how close was the intake port size to head port size on these 2 heads?
@chrislangdell117
@chrislangdell117 Год назад
It's interesting for sure. The valve size and compression ratio difference should account for more then a 20 horsepower difference though. So something Is right with the enforcer head. 2.30 valve. And shave .003 off the heads should bring you to about 118cc for the AFR would be really interesting to see on that motor run again. If they truly were equil and no valve float issue where these engines would end up
@WeingartnerRacing
@WeingartnerRacing Год назад
The afr are not even close. Their port design sucks. To get the same chamber size you would have to mill off .018 on the enforcer to get to 119cc. Besides the horsepower the torque sucked too. It was the worst off all of the heads tested.
@letstradepaint2463
@letstradepaint2463 Год назад
Nice
@pauldoyle206
@pauldoyle206 Год назад
Do you think the promax three seventeen would work well on a five forty with mild cam
@v8vega355
@v8vega355 5 месяцев назад
Do you have a video testing how exhaust flow only affects power, like if you only port the exhaust?
@jcnpresser
@jcnpresser Год назад
Man I need to get my money to get some of those Promaxx for my sbf. I’ve been interested in primes heads for years back when I had my square body. That was 10 years ago, and those heads were dirt cheap! Like cast iron cheap. Still at a reasonable price for todays standards.
@donbrutcher4501
@donbrutcher4501 Год назад
Would the same comparison of the test results carry through to a much larger engine, say maybe a 555 or 598?
@jarvislarson6864
@jarvislarson6864 Год назад
Afr valve float earlier due to heavier valves & or retainers?
@scottatkins8968
@scottatkins8968 Год назад
Eric, have you ever had your hands on a set of the Promaxx 340cc BBC shocker heads??
@WeingartnerRacing
@WeingartnerRacing Год назад
Nope
@nowayjose596
@nowayjose596 Год назад
I'm less familiar with BBC stuff but is it common to have valve float issues with that (relatively) small of a cam?
@scottmcmullen7541
@scottmcmullen7541 Год назад
yeah its pretty common or at least what Ive encountered during my time messing with this stuff. Big block Valvetrain is heavy
@cliffwright9842
@cliffwright9842 Год назад
Do the enforcer bbc heads have smaller v stems like the sbc? seems they would wind up higher w/ lighter valves and same spring pressure hp and trq aside...yes?
@thereluctantgearhead4544
@thereluctantgearhead4544 6 месяцев назад
They use 11/32 valves.
@shanehall7833
@shanehall7833 Год назад
Hey Eric, what sort of torque and power do you think the afr heads would be making on 540 cube big block, with a lunati custom Hyd roller .646/.663 Lift 250/255 Duration @ .050 114LSA do you think the standard spring pressure wld be up for the task? If not what springs should I go? Currently building this combo and am a day away from bolting on the heads!
@sc358.
@sc358. Год назад
Did you mean to say 104 LSA?
@utahcountypicazospage5412
@utahcountypicazospage5412 Год назад
I would say you would would make what the promaxx made
@shanehall7833
@shanehall7833 Год назад
No 114
@shanehall7833
@shanehall7833 Год назад
With a 540 and bigger cam?
@sc358.
@sc358. Год назад
@@shanehall7833 it's gonna make more than enough power to put a big ol smile on ur face. At 1.25-1.3hp/cube which is fairly achievable that's 675-700ish hp. A pretty good effort on pump gas na could be closer to 1.6hp/cube with conventional valve angle head but that's not common, more on E85... 540 cubes with conventional heads would probably like something around 106 LCA NA, on pump gas type compression. Duration I'd consider via overlap depending on other parts and what you're doing (like rpm...) What's the rest of your build? Advertised duration (would guess an efi cam like 309/314, 114/112?), intake, what head, carb, headers, compression?
@BrandonSolid
@BrandonSolid Год назад
I own a pair of Promaxx heads
@timsane
@timsane Год назад
Wayne
@Obshowersyndicate
@Obshowersyndicate Год назад
🍪
@Fatt-billy.racing
@Fatt-billy.racing Год назад
My 496 with a little more cam and afr 300 magnum oval port are a killer combo made 712hp but thats not a cheap Chinese head
@DavidB7474
@DavidB7474 Год назад
How do we get all the books? I have the first two books, the two I take manifold tests for the sbc. Are there 3 books or 4 books now?
@WeingartnerRacing
@WeingartnerRacing Год назад
There are three total. Two SBC and one BBC. You can purchase through the link on my website.
@jameswaddington7913
@jameswaddington7913 Год назад
Great info, have had lots of questions about off shore castings. What spring pressure to get to 6500?
@petersouthernboy6327
@petersouthernboy6327 Год назад
Ask your cam mfr
@williamchristine1384
@williamchristine1384 Год назад
but they had a little more compression i run those heads on my BB
@raymondleathers5921
@raymondleathers5921 Год назад
Multiply your .500 cfm by 2.3. It’s more accurate than taking the peak x 2. Also those estimates are peak capability. High compression/ big roller…
@scotthatch4548
@scotthatch4548 Год назад
Actually if you take flow at peak camshaft lift then look up the camshaft duration modification (z) it comes out in this case to about 1 HP of what it did on the Dyno .... I have videos on how this works and on his sbc test he did
@reltub20001
@reltub20001 8 месяцев назад
Have you ever tested the AFR 3001 heads? I cannot find where you have tested them
@WeingartnerRacing
@WeingartnerRacing 8 месяцев назад
Those were the ones tested in the video.
@reltub20001
@reltub20001 8 месяцев назад
@@WeingartnerRacing thank you. I didn't watch long enough to catch that. My fault
@RustyorBroken
@RustyorBroken 13 дней назад
I have been educated.
@paulferreira1603
@paulferreira1603 Месяц назад
Moroso oil capacity’s are WITHOUT a filter.
@cygnus1965
@cygnus1965 Год назад
Price as tested? From the little But I’ve searched the pro maxx are a lot more money no?
@WeingartnerRacing
@WeingartnerRacing Год назад
Promaxx are about $300 more
@mikegillam1000
@mikegillam1000 Год назад
A lot has changed in the past few years! Promaxx used to be about the cheapest heads you could buy
@geraldwhipple5389
@geraldwhipple5389 11 месяцев назад
Does anybody make a shaft rocker setup for promax heads
@WeingartnerRacing
@WeingartnerRacing 11 месяцев назад
It’s the same one that fits the afr
@geraldwhipple5389
@geraldwhipple5389 11 месяцев назад
@@WeingartnerRacing are you sure I called pro max and got no answers.I've got a set of their shocker bbc cnc heads and would like to run 900 lift but afraid of problems with regular setup.thanks
@user-ko9ol7vq9m
@user-ko9ol7vq9m 4 месяца назад
What fuel were these test run on?
@WeingartnerRacing
@WeingartnerRacing 4 месяца назад
91
@jcherbst8381
@jcherbst8381 2 месяца назад
AFRs are Chinese made?
@censorshipiscommunistic
@censorshipiscommunistic Год назад
Weiand really missed the Boat with the "Track Warrior" Weiand should have designed the Track Warrior with exacting flange parameters to their Team G and raised the ports at the plenum. Works okay but went back to my extensively ported Team G. I'd like to see the BBC RHS Manifold sometime in the future.
@thereluctantgearhead4544
@thereluctantgearhead4544 6 месяцев назад
That RHS is a real good piece.
@bsracer85
@bsracer85 Год назад
Which CHINESE head makes more power? there are two heads I will never buy. Power or not.
@thereluctantgearhead4544
@thereluctantgearhead4544 6 месяцев назад
The day is coming that imports will be your only choice. All manufacturing is being sent out of America. We are about there now.
@thereluctantgearhead4544
@thereluctantgearhead4544 6 месяцев назад
All by design....
@chopperking007
@chopperking007 Год назад
Dont buy Chinese
@thereluctantgearhead4544
@thereluctantgearhead4544 6 месяцев назад
When everything is Chinese, what will we buy then?
@shootermcgavin2819
@shootermcgavin2819 4 месяца назад
​@@thereluctantgearhead4544 Not everything is Chinese..
@adammajid6937
@adammajid6937 2 дня назад
​@shootermcgavin2819 he's speaking in future tense
@theone861
@theone861 2 месяца назад
No chinese for me. USA only!
@henryjewell3900
@henryjewell3900 10 месяцев назад
No chinese junk is going on my United States built Chevy engine!
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