E76-77 - Will Little Ejects Nolan Arenado & Oliver Marmol Arguing Balls and Strikes Between Innings 

No it's either Arenado dosen't argue at all or keep silent after the warning was given

⁠@@mikeloosemore6301 Will Little had a lot to say, while baiting these ejections. None of it was “that’s a warning”.

@@mikeloosemore6301 Did you see a stop sign? I didn't.

@@CommonSense823 Arenado just doesn't know when to shut up. Little gave him a chance to stop but Arenado kept yapping away. That said his strike zone was awful for both teams so he had a right to be upset but you can't argue balls and strikes so being ejected was inevitable especially when you don't shut up about it.

@@cinci4life116 How did Little give him a chance to stop? 01:11 Watch again. Little was chirping at Nolan the entire walk back to the dugout, instigating the comments from Arenado until he heard something he could eject him by. How he heard anything is beyond me. He didn't shut up the entire time.

You're presuming the right to a fair contest. Not even the players have that right. To me, this is a case of that I do believe he said something that Little heard that would get him tossed for abuse, and the rest was basically confirming it.

@Michael Falkner He also said that it is a bad look him basically going towards the player instead of just tossing him, making it seem like he was just looking for an excuse

@@Mattywill29 Just don't look for the excuse.

@Michael Falkner you never should look for the excuse, if you are willing to eject someone it must be clear cut rule violation and frustration boiling over in a passing conversation ain't it.

@@Mattywill29 I disagree with you. Often, it's exactly that "boiling over" which is the rule violation.

Good post.

@@llwc9435 sh1tty post

@@RandalC-hy5ke Instant feedback would help them make better calls. If an umpire sees that a strike call was off the plate by however many inches, he can immediately fix that following a video review of his call. It's a good post.

Your ignorance on the realities of umpiring and what goes on with players in a game is staggering however not surprising and very revealing.

@@danbev9313 are there any umpires that comment on this channel that aren’t arrogant pricks? Just wondering.

players never do anything wrong

The umpire needs to be at a zero. What is there for the umpire to be emotional about at all? He's an impartial judge, allegedly.

I disagree. MLB umpires are consistently bad to mediocre. They’re too sensitive and abrasive. They need to (1) do a better job of making calls and (2) understand the players are the attraction. Umpires should blend into the curtains not be the center of attention.

Shut up

I said there’s a few weeks ago, where can I get at least 240 ejections before the year is over. I think we’re on record to see the most ejections in major league history.

Watch it again. He was looking right at the umpire and clearly started the "conversation" before the replay.

Yeah, Joe West was pretty horrible.

He could tip the Toledos at 400 & still walk?

@@donaldthomas7070 I didn't want to be mean but it was definitely a sight to behold, I referred to it as "the shambling" :)

Is there any video?

You're exactly right! I agree with you. But...the big cat and mouse show is actions and hand gestures, not words. As long as you don't show the umpire up, it's just baseball? I understand his frustration but he did show to be the aggressor, walking towards the players, as they showed to be going completely away from him. We can't have that as an example that so many people and kids look up too, and want to umpire like? As hard as it is, you have to let words go, unless it's up close and personal? He's better than that, and I'm sure he'll be harder on himself, and work at that to prevent and handle those type things from escalating, again.

Seriously...I don't care about the optics. The umpire never left the dirt circle. And further, an umpire can walk around the field however they choose. At this level, players and coaches should be professional enough to realize, "Oh...there's an umpire there...maybe I shouldn't say or do anything ejectionable..." Maybe if Little doesn't close space on Arenado, then Little doesn't hear what Arenado says so, he isn't ejected...I guess? Arenado wasn't ejected for no reason. He absolutely said something to Little about the strike zone, by rule that is ejectionable and he was ejected. We should not be looking for players and coaches to be given the benefit of the doubt or a break. Don't want to get ejected? Stop arguing umpire judgement.

@@1969EType Why are you so quick to give the umpire the benefit of the doubt here. Watch the interaction again. Little walked towards him and never shut up long enough to hear what Nolan said. He was chirping at the player the entire time, until he got the response he was looking for to eject him. No excuse for that from an umpire. It you're going to eject him for something he said, do it. If you're going to argue with him until he says something ejection worthy, that's on the umpire. Little could have deescalated things, he chose to go with escalation.

@@CommonSense823 The reason I am "so quick" to give the umpire the benefit of the doubt? I have been watching players, coaches, fans and parents for over 40 years now just absolutely abuse umpires. There's the First Amendment but, things have gone beyond civility and decency long ago. They get ejected...and they just keep right on going. Saying whatever they please to the umpires, right? Gotta' get their money's worth, right? And for what? Disagreeing with judgement. Can you imagine if a manager made a pitching change (coach's judgement) and the incoming pitcher gave up the game winning HR and the umpire went into the dugout (his office...) and said, "Coach, that's terrible. I mean...that's eff-ing terrible right there. You just cost your team the game, Coach! You have GOT to be better there...that's unacceptable!" Can you imagine that happening? That umpire would never work in professional ball again. But hey...players and coaches can say WHATEVER they want to the umpires, right? When they get ejected, it's just the umpires making it about them, right? Please...

@@1969EType your first mistake is comparing the competitors on the field to umpires. Players and managers are competing in a game. They will fail by design. Umpires are to be impartial observers and they are supposed to call games fairly and correctly per the rule book. They fail at this often in the MLB. Their failure comes with no consequences for the umpire. They can jaw at managers, jaw at players, miss calls that affect the game, and the worst that could possibly happen to them is they miss a playoff assignment. They can literally call a dog shit game. See Angel Hernandez behind the plate in the Phillies/Brewers game last year. He was missing calls by over 6”. What was his punishment? There was none. He was completely protected by the union and the egregious zone used to score umpires, negotiated by said union. The league announced he scored 96% on his ZE score. If the umpires refuse to hold themselves accountable and are allowed to affect game outcomes, coaches and players will understandably lose their shit as they are held accountable for the results of the game. But umpires don’t want to be accountable. They want control. Many (certainly not all) look for situations to make the game about themselves. They look for reasons to eject a player and/or manager (see this video). They need to be removed from the game and replaced by the many more capable umpires waiting for a shot, rotting in the minors. Everyone knows this. The managers know it. The players know it. MLB knows it. Until that happens, respect for umpires is earned, not a given.

no it wasn't

Marmol was clearly gesturing about two pitches, one high and one low (or inside?). The first one was incorrect, but the second one wasn't.

Yikes with a name like "Home School Parenting" not sure you would understand. But I will try.. I do not know if you are employed or not (which is why I commented on the screen name) but I will assume at some point if not currently you work / have worked. At any of those jobs would you ever let someone, especially a subordinate (as umps are the bosses of the game) swear at you, bad mouth you to your face, scream, purposely embarrass you? If so I do not know what else to say. But, these guys do not have thin skin. They allow this every player, every at bat. It has to get overboard and then something is done. Also, I AM NOT saying that sometimes umps do not get a little touchy and maybe eject a little quickly. Absolutely happens. BUT WE as the viewer have NO IDEA what usually leads up to these - a cumulative effect. My question to you - why do you hold umps to a different standard of how "thick" their skin should be in comparison to EVERY OTHER JOB that exists? QUICK LAST NOTE: as an ump of over 30 years thru college level, I DO agree that an ump should never walk to a player as they are walking away. You can still eject them if what they are saying is worthy of ejection and is audible from where you are standing at the time! However, do not follow them as it give the optic of trying to hear what they are saying purposely!

The homeschool parenting moniker was for during the Covid lockdown when I was trying to help parents with their newfound responsibility of teaching their children at home. I am retired now after 45 years in public education as a school, counselor/school psychologist, and I started umpiring when I was 15 years old and officiated various sports through the early 2000s the main reason I left officiating was due to officials who had never played any sports or at best had played during Little League. My point is many of these altercations are initiated by umpires, and then escalated, and then when they are all of a sudden offended, they resort to the tactic of ejection. I can tell you it is a whole lot easier to call a pitch than hit a pitch. As far as the language issue swearing is used during normal conversations much less during altercations and then all of a sudden they’re offended? I believe in allowing individuals to experience the consequences of their behavior if a manager or player crosses the line, run them however, don’t resort to the tactic of injections simply because you can also, do you have any idea how I can change my moniker.

That's asking a lot, lol,

Not buying it. At the time Arenado looks at the umpire, Little doesn’t eject him. Arenado had his back turned to the umpire and was walking away long before he was finally ejected. The umpire chirps back at him the entire time he’s walking to the dugout and follows him until he finally hears something ejection worthy. He baited the comment and then made it about himself. Little needs to do better.

annoucers will also defend there teams no matter what

To be fair, umpires have been pretty trash this year. You can't give him a strike that high and one that low (the low one was a strike by the book). Figure out what the zone is and call it consistently, but the zone can't be 4'-6" from top to bottom. Batters have to adjust to what the umpire is calling, and MLB umpires have not been consistent pitch to pitch many times.

Please educate me. What difference would that make?

Happens all the time.

What, exactly, did he say?

Not as bad as the ones thinking Will handled this properly. No warning, no stop sign. Just engages for a few seconds and then tosses him. Will's the one who has to do better.

Will Little’s strike zone was brutal. He deserved to hear it. Another loser umpire.

We found the one guy that buys a ticket to watch the umpires.

@@CommonSense823 nope, but I also don't go to games to watch entitled athletes berate umpires the whole game and think there are no repercussions for that.

I was there and it was hilarious watching him make faces after the pitches. I was behind the dugout and I could hear how pissed he and the other cardinals were.

​@@ethangravity669 I'm telling you Nolan brings back his Rockie days when he gets ejected 🤣

@@jacobrichardson1952 Amen lmaooo

​@@ethangravity669 even Willson Contreras against Seattle that was definitely brings back Cub days 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The league needs to know that people pay to see the players, not these egotistical umpires.

The league also needs to know that the more umpires do ejections like these, the less respect they get on the field.

@@priceright8963 Then you are stuck, because it sounds like the players and managers are trying to take advantage of the situation.

@@CommonSense823 There should be an expectation of some degree of respect, because otherwise you get what is going on at lower levels.

@@michaelfalkner1186 Respect is earned. Giving low performing umpires a life time appointment in the MLB does not garner respect from anyone. When umpires perform better, or move out of the way for higher performing peers, then we can talk about respect.

Don’t believe your lyin’ eyes, right? There’s a lot of “maybe” and “could be” in your defense of the umpire here. Not much calling for the umpire to be responsible for his own behavior. 🤔 Umpire not only followed him, but was chirping back at him, escalating the situation until the player finally said something to get ejected. Classic baiting by the umpire.

@@CommonSense823 “Umpire baiting”, like a player isn’t responsible for his own behavior. Do you know what either of them said? I don’t. What I know is there was an argument over pitches initiated by the player. There’s a reason the rule book states players, coaches, et al cannot argue balls and strikes and there are consequences to doing so.

@@jackstraw3934 then Little should have ejected him at that point. He didn’t. Little chirped at him and followed him until he got from Arenado what he was looking for. This is classic baiting by a bad umpire.

@@CommonSense823 “classic”

This attitude is exactly the reason people disrespect umpires. Having to swing your dick around to show “you are the authority” is why you deserve no respect and deserve no place on a baseball field. Your ego is your own worst enemy.

He can buy YOU with his nickels.