E80 - Rob Thomson Ejected After Beaking Mike Estabrook Over Stubbs Non-HBP Call During Bunt Stance 

I love the DS9 & Odo reference. Well done! One of my favorite parts of that episode.

Another day another announcer using the term “interference” without knowing what it is as a baseball rule.

NCAA softball umpire here. Partial foot on the line is good. Full foot out or touching any part of plate. Now we have a problem.

It looked like the pitch didn't hit Stubbs's foot. So there's that. I missed the game, but as a Phils fan, their manager, "Topper", is not a hothead. But it's been a long, tricky week for the team and I think he needed to vent. Kudos to this site for clearly delineating the rules in question.

+100 points to CCS for a DS9 and Odo reference

He wasn’t mad about the call being changed he was more upset about Estabrooks strike zone and how it was super inconsistent costing the Phillies a couple runs offensively and defensively and he felt like that was his opportunity to vent and let it all out which I don’t blame him estabrooks strike zone was inconsistent all game long

Was a clip featuring Rene Auberjonois?? 😅

New batting strategy: straddle home plate, make an effort to avoid getting hit by pitch, get hit anyway, first base.

I think part of this is I'm not sure the ball actually hit him! I think it actually bounced in front of his foot.

These blue caps the Umpires are wearing with a black shirt just look awful …

it was also fleet week in baltimore

Mlb needs to get rid of replay it slows the game let's go back to old school baseball

As somebody who watched this game, here’s a little context-Thomsons initial argument was that the initial call was hit by pitch before Hyde came out to speak with Estabrook. Thomson was claiming that the Orioles should have to challenge the call, not the Phillies. However, Estabrook had a wide strike zone all day for the orioles pitcher (Burnes). Really wide, many strikes called 2-3 inches outside. So most likely, the argument quickly turned to that

Watching that game, it seemed to me that Thompson was more upset about the strikezone, and that calling Stubbs back was just the straw that broke the camels back. Estabrook only missed 6 calls, but it seemed like all of them went against Philly; Gunnar Henderson homered after he should've struck out to start the game, and in the 5th both Dahl and Stott struck out on pitches well off the plate to kill a rally that almost tied the game. It was also a hot day, and the Orioles had just broken the game open with 5 runs, so I get why Thompson was cranky.

Do any announcers know some of the rules? I understand bias for your team but how many times you hear them be completely wrong about... everything lol

Now we can see why Estabrook was so fired up. Don't need JomBoy for that kind of lip-reading.

again where the MLB rules are the worst version of the rules. Toe should have to be on or inside the line :( And I agree with the commentator at the end -- "enough of this nonsense"

Thanks for the awesome explanation. The foot behind home plate had me wondering if that was legal. Love the DS9 reference...RIP Rene Auberjonois.

As a fellow umpire, I learn something new every time you upload a video. Your videos are amazing

You don't see Manager/Umpire Arguments like that anymore; there are exceptions though

I love how little the commentators actually understand the rules. My dad isn't kidding when he said he could do that too. Just amazes me how they don't get the rules of the game they watch for a living

Okay, now you *must* do a breakdown of the stupid "going into the dugout to tag out a Vulcan" from DS9. You brought in Odo, so this is on you. :)

Hi Lindsey - you usually do a good job of showing contentious plays earlier in the game to provide context on why players/managers are riled up when they confront the umpire. In the first inning of this game, the first batter was Gunnar. Wheeler threw him strike three but ump missed it. Gunnar then homered a few pitches later. I didn’t watch the whole game but I’m reading comments elsewhere that easterbrook had other missed calls. Will be interested to see the ump report card when it’s posted.

The ejection is warranted. This is still the worst umpiring crew in MLB.

Interestingly, only a call stands.

Jim Palmer and MASN Orioles announcers have no idea what they are doing. Almost every week Palmer stupidly says "eveyone knows tie goes to the runner".

This looks like a pain in the ass to deal with for Estabrook, I can see why he got hot😂 Both benches telling you what to do on a real close call, grown man yelling 2 inches in front of you, said grown man wont leave, said grown man beaks you, said grown man wont leave once again, after being ejected

They said Wheeler had a bad day. I disagree, wheelers day was fine because he got paid a lot to basically lose a game. Who had a bad day, the fans of the Phillies, also those that paid plenty to travel from Philadelphia to Baltimore, paid plenty for tickets, paid plenty for refreshments, parking, the list goes on. At 40 million a year???? Wheelers day was, as I said, just fine.

Home plate umpire awarded the batter first base initially, then when asked by Orioles manager to consult with the crew, he did so and then waived him back. Is that the proper protocol or once the call was made by Estabrook do the Orioles have to issue a formal challenge to have the call overturned?

Ejection of the week imo

Wasn’t the issue that Hyde convinced Estabrook to discuss with the umpires rather than use a challenge? Estabrook shouldn’t have let a manager control his game.

This was clearly a ball and over the plate. I find it interesting that with the foot on the line, if it hit him he would have gotten 1B. What if the ball were in the strike zone? Would he still get 1B after the ball hit him? I'm guessing not, but not the way this was explained.

suspend him

I dont understand some of these conferences. It is tough to tell on zoomed in video (which is why we have call stands) and they can say from over 100 ft away it def. didnt hit him?

Maybe the writers of DS9 should become commentators of MLB games, can't do any worse.

Why do umpires allow hostile people to invade their personal space? Of course he got beaked!

Pretty soft. Losing it for getting beaked? Why didn’t he just walk away?

Cant stand umpires, makes baseball unwatchable. No one wants to see them.

then thay did us one dirty rob defends his team big time

Adley is A+ at framing pitches.

John Kruk, ... retired MLB player who played for YEARS ... has NO EFFING CLUE what he's talking about, ... EVER. You think the guy would get at least ONE RULE correct now and again .........NOPE!🙄

Uncle Fester don't like Robbie? Dr. Evil was seen jawing, and wanted be called powder! It's all, so confusing!

I cheered up dramatically seeing the DS9 scene with Odo and Sisko ^^

If you're going to lie about getting hit by pitch at least sell it a little. Hop around, react to a 78 mph pitch getting you on the toe. And I don't think planting your foot in the path of the ball counts as getting out of the way of it.

A DS9 reference. Love it😊

That manager was one anrgy bird.

BASEBALL AND STAR TREK COLLIDING AND MY HEART IS MELTING

Is interference the new baseball buzzword lol

"...and yes, that score is correct." What's THAT supposed to mean?!

I'm not sure that you can't successfully argue that the batter made no attempt to avoid the pitch.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 oh WOW

Thank you for clearing this up . Great channel

The call was right but the umpires still found a way to be unprofessional. It’s still amazing to me that Rob Thomson will probably get a suspension, but it’s perfectly fine for Laz Diaz to basically push the manager. Laz does this all the time and gets absolutely no discipline. This video conveniently leaves that part out. MLB umps are completely and totally out of control at this point.

No attempt to avoid it.

Beaked 😂😂😂😂

Nice Odo!

The HP umpire should have stuck to his original no call like he's supposed to. You're not supposed to call anything you didn't actually see. He clearly did not have a hit by pitch and was talked into making the call by the batter. That's what led to all the drama. If he just sticks to his no call and doesn't let the player push him to call something he didn't actually see then there's probably never any ejection and they probably don't even challenge. If there's one thing that sets managers off more than anything else it's when the umpires huddle up and reverse a call.

I find it interesting that rule 6.04(a) used to be rule 4.06(a) in 1998, when "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" aired

This ejection makes zero sense. Why is Rob so pissed? If he really believed the overturn was unjust, he could've (and did) challenge. It's not like the Phillies got screwed by an incorrect call. It was the correct call. Don't people want the umpires to get it right?

He did make contact with Estabrook. That’s not only an ejection. That’s definitely a suspension.

You can't be serious. Rob Thomson was not mad at that sequence whatsoever. It was about the garbage inconsistent K zone all day. Empty calorie confirmation bias.

I love Lindsay, but I think she needs some glasses. He clearly looks out of the box to me. That's my only disagreement.

Will Rob Thomson be suspended for making contact with Mike Estabrook? By the NCAA's standards that's an automatic 4 game suspension after the ejection. At this point he would also have received a two game suspension for arguing or continuing to excessively express themselves with prolonged actions or offensive language after an ejection. So he would be facing a total of a 6 game suspension for this. Of course, I've seen coaches make contact with umpires before and MLB does nothing about it. The Mike Napoli ejection that occured last year comes to my mind when Napoli bumped Andy Fletcher. Thomson did several ejectable things during this situation.

Estabrook should not be aggressively attacking after the contact. He should be suspended 5 games for that. If umpires get protected against touching, they should get suspended and fined when they can't restrain themselves.

suspension heading his way for touching him too id bet

Stubbs, the Phillies batter in this incident, in a post game interview stated that the pitch did hit his foot. So I would have expected the call to be overturned if that’s true …

So he got ejected for nothing.. AGAIN.. and with why he got the heave-ho... he'll probably be getting supplemental too...

So the call was just ball 2?

Estabrook was calling bad strikes against the Phillies all game up to that point. The no interference was the tipping point. Estabrook will get booed next time he’s behind the plate at citizens bank.

Beaking is incidental, not intentional. The only intentional contact was made by Laz.