Fun Fact: Giygas internally has 20,000 HP, but is programmed to fully heal every turn. The only reason why praying eventually kills him is that it eventually does more than 20K damage in one hit, meaning the heal can't take effect. Theoretically if you had an attack that could deal over 20,000 damage, you could defeat him before it's scripted to, although I'm not sure what kind of glitches this may cause since the game doesn't expect him to die early.
giygas has 2000 hp. if he was vulnerable to multi bottle rockets he'd likely be taken out in a single turn. idk if thatts possible but in mother 1 + 2 you can kill giygas by poisoning him.
@@javieralejandrotrianapaz6343 He not only lost the ability to think properly; he literally destroyed his own brain, but still couldn't die because he was too powerful, leaving only this mess that doesn't make much sense but is utterly horrifying and brutal.
@@thegoodguy2381 yeeaaaaah no the giygas that we see on the video isn't even what he truly looks like because reality itself can't comprehend his true power and form so i would say probably not an epic fight and more of creepiness
Eh, not really. He's already a fully grown (judging by his mental state) adult alien by mother 1, and mother 2 happens 10 years after, so he's probably an adult by then. It's just that the mental anguish he's in after his defeat to Ninten and memories of Maria just make him lose his mind and become what we see in this battle
@@mrkitloin true that, the dude's got a shattered mind and is presumably in constant agony, so it wouldn't surprise me if he was like a terrified little kid again
(A young woman in Dalaam woke from a dream in which Prince Poo died, and she began to pray for the well-being of Poo and his friends.) Poo: *fucking dies next turn*
“So, isn’t this terrifying? I’m terrified too. Giygas cannot think rationally anymore, and isn’t even aware of what he is doing now. His own mind was destroyed by his incredible power. What an almighty idiot! Yep, that’s what he is! Heh heh heh heh… and you… you will be just another meal to him!” Fucking terrifying.
“Are ya winnin son?” “I don’t know.” -Last recorded instance of Son, 1989 *it is said that Dad still roams the world, slightly opening the doors of gamers everywhere*
It’s not a JRPG unless a group of kids/teens use the power of friendship to destroy a being who’s basically the equivalent to Satan. No but seriously I love this fight, and this game, and this Trilogy
@Ahmad Kazan that’s actually a really interesting way of looking at it, except for one thing, it’s stated in chapter 8 of Mother 3 that it was the humans that caused the destruction of the world... except now that I think about it... Innoway it could be Canon
I think the reason the game says "you cannot comprehend Giygas' attack" but his attacks do little damage is because the damage is not physical, it's a different kind of damage. Kinda how you can be traumatized but not show signs of it on your body. That's what Giygas is doing, he's traumatizing you.
Because that's exactly what Giygas represents. I think Itoi said that Giygas (his design, obviously he appeared sane in mother 1) is supposed to represent a childhood trauma he had after seeing a violent rape-murder scene in a movie as a child.
The "actual" explanation is that Poo doesnt accept pendants or anything, so if it's for example a fire attack, Poo will basically always take the most damage if all others have pendants. I for example used a sea pendant and earth pendants, but Poo couldn't use em
Here’s my theory. Giygas is not really a physical being you can either see or touch, rather he’s on a completely separate plain of existence. But he has telepathic abilities which is how he interacts with things. The freaky images you see in Earthbound like the swirling face and baby, that’s just an image he puts into people’s heads so that they can even have a vein idea that he’s near by. And he chooses that face because it’s to simply show he should not be taken lightly. And the “you can not grasp the true form of Giygas’ attack” means he simply launched a mental telepathic attack. It can not be seen, it can not be heard, unless you’re telepathic. But it can do severe damage to the victim’s mind. And the whole “pray to defeat him” is basically like a spirit bomb kinda. All the characters give Ness’ company the mental power to defend against Giygas and make him retreat to parts unknown. As for the doorway to him and Ness’ face: first off, the gang is in a parallel world, the only world where Giygas can be contained. But Giygas has a very vague connection to the outside, so he can connect to 1 person’s mind at a time, which was Ness. So he presented Ness’ face as a mental image to basically say to them “this is your only warning. I’m more dangerous than anything you’ve ever encountered. Turn back now.” And then when Porky released Giygas, well, read above. Adding to my theory, and the fact Giygas has a physical body in Earthbound Beginnings. Giygas’ race simply naturally has the powers of telepathy just like a scorpion has naturally abilities to poison. But Giygas himself was especially powerful, so powerful that after the loss of Maria, he went in a mental breakdown. A mental breakdown + telepathy = he basically destroyed his own physical body and his own sanity. So all that remained was just his vague spirit lying beyond a separate plain of existence as I said above. “Giygas is undefinable by human standards”, we’re talking about something that can’t be seen in the physical plain of existence and can only interact via imagery inside someone’s mind. So of course he’s undefinable by human standards, he can’t be defined if he can’t be seen.
Here's my theory gygass is the embodiment of our own devilish dark evil nature and this particular gygass is the gygass that is within ness that is trying to escape and they are trying to prevent that from happening
Ironic, the only time in my life I've had sleep paralysis was when I was 8 years old and had stayed up relatively late playing Earthbound, I could've sworn my walls were caving in and slowly morphing into the form of Giygas.
Not really, Giygas at this state is pure evil. In the beginning of the entire series, it's be sad, but when Mother 2 is happening Giygas is completely insane and an embodiment of pure evil and terror.
@@radioheadlover09 bro there are some characters going _insane_ if the thing they like, *gone*, like doom slayer But giygas is basically a villian here which is different from others
This fight is so intense on so many levels: -A bunch of children are forced to remove their souls from their bodies to travel back in time to perform a retroactive abortion essentially. -They're forced into a hopeless battle with only the forces of pure good as a weapon. -Their enemy is literally pure evil. -They're just CHILDREN forced to endure this intangible horror. When their souls returned to their body I cried. The first playthrough of this game really is an honor.
i know im late, but why does everyone keep saying they "went back in time to perform a retroactive abortion" the game clearly states that Giygas is simply hiding in the past and attacking the present from the past, and Giygas is in his most powerful form at this point in time. He was not born in this moment, as he was born many many years ago before Mother 1... I dont know if there was something changed in translation, or if everyone is tragically misunderstanding what happened.
The scene where their souls leave the robots moved me to tears when I first played this. Ness, our hero, is such that his spirit is the last to leave, a boy who puts others before himself
It would be interesting if their spirits remained in the past and stayed millions of year together trying to not dissapear until they get to their own time
"Ness... Its not right... not right... not right... I'm sad... It's not right not right not right... I'm h...a...p...p...y... It hurts... it hurts... it hurts... ness... I'm so sad... ness... ness... ness... ness... Ness... ...friends... I'm so sad ness... Ness... ...it hurts... ...it hurts... ...ness... ...go b...a...c...k... Ness... ...I feel... g...o...o...d..." This was the first gaem I played where I felt sad for the enemy, even if he attaccs you immediately afterwards. The baccstory especially makes this moar saddening.
I was 18 when I beat the game even as an adult it still hits like a truck, this was by far one of the best games I’ve ever played coming from someone who’s played battle royales, souls games, shootemups, 1st person, rhythm/fighting games you name it..
“Caten kept praying” This is why Giygas is my favorite rpg boss of all time. The game really makes you feel like you’re actually helping Ness and his friends. As much as I really love Kefka, I don’t think his final boss battle will ever give the actual player real emotions of fear, confusion, and hopelessness, that Giygas can accomplish.
"Ness! Now, I...well...it's going to seem like I'm running away. But perhaps I'll just sneak away to another era to think about my next plan. It's a good bet that we'll see each other again... All right! I'll be seeing you! So now which one of us do you think is the cool guy?!"
giygas is one of the only instances of cosmic horror in early gaming goddamn. imagine if this boss battle had a film adaptation. it'd be lovecraftian IT level mind-flaying shit.
Giygas is pretty much similar to It in a lot of ways. One could even argue that the famous line " You cannot grasp the true form of Giygas' attack." Is a direct homage to the deadlights.
Everybody has these complicated theories about what the “true form” of giygas’ attack is, but I already have the definitive answer. It’s a red oval heading towards you at full speed.
haha yeah i also hate every theory that isn't practically canon and wish every single person on the planet took everything they saw at face value and had zero interesting ideas about anything
Okay but can you imagine coding that ending scene with the static only to hear a kid mom walked in on that and thought their kid was being brainwashed.
I’ve always had a theory that giygas never wanted to be this monster, but this power that he holds overtook him and drew him mad, as seen with the dialogue snippets from the fight.
Found this in a Forum and I think it perfectly defines what the developers were trying to convey "Always felt it was an emotional driver for the final fight; the feeling of hope the player needed. I know my first play through (believe it or not, WAS in 1995, i was ten) the Giygas fight was TERRIBLE. I fought him for hours several times wondering why i couldn’t just win. BY ACCIDENT, i hit pray, and he took damage. I felt a tinge of hope, and kept hitting it. You can imagine how it played out from there."
What do you guys think of the true form of Giygas’s attack? In my personal opinion, I think Giygas is attacking the mind itself. Remember, Giygas comes from the same species that created PSI so obviously, they have much more advanced PSI than Ness & co so it won’t come off as a surprise if they were able to attack the mind directly. That’s why you are unable to grasp it, you’re feeling pain without even being attacked externally by physical or PSI attacks.
And to add to that, I'd like to think that that image in the background is not actually Giygas, but instead a image he's put into the mind of Ness and the gang, because there is a sprite that's supposed to be Giygas, but it's invisible.
I imagine it's more like being surrounded by a lotta red bloody gas and it's impossible to actually see the psy attack physically because you can see the psy attack animation on other bosses but because of giygas surrounding you it's all muffled by the mist. You can actually tell he uses psy flash, rockin, thunder, and freeze because of how it affects you however.
Jimmeh Rulez He used to be a perfectly normal kid that was taken in by a kind regal family, him growing to love them, but also having a mission to kickstart an invasion of the Earth. When his loving adoptive parents both seemingly died, he tried to go back to his original mission, but was conflicted between his loyalty to his race and his love for his new family. It’s to the point that the only way to actually beat him in the original game is by singing a lullaby that his mother made for him; you have to keep trying to sing it, and he stops you multiple times, but the more you do it, the longer it takes for him to stop, because he misses his mom. By the end, he’s just consumed by grief and can’t bring himself to fight anymore, which leads to a mental breakdown that breaks him mentally into the garbled mess of a creature that mutates from an incorporeal screaming face into a wall of demon babies screaming about how good it feels, unable to even properly communicate. On some levels, this fight is like putting Giygas out of his misery more than anything else.
"Giygas is so powerful omggg he even dont have a physical body and you cant comprehend his attacks of how powerful it is wooow so unnerving!!111" Also giygas: *Proceeds to fail the attack on every party member because it "did not work"* It's the truth.
I always liked to imagine that since Earthbound is so inspired by childhood, what Giygas represents the most is the loss of innocence. Giygas is the moment in childhood where you realize the world is not a kind place. It is not a good place. It is cruel, frightening, and often heartless. Good people are often abused, and terrible people often succeed. It's when you realize just how unimaginablely cruel humans can be. Yet, just like Ness and his friends learn, that moment doesn't destroy you. Humans can be capable of incredible kindness too. They defeat Giygas and save the world entirely thanks to thier friends and family on Earth who fervently pray for them to succeed because they care about them and want them to come home alive. And I think the reason the player's prayers are what destroy Giygas is because, the player is a just a stranger to these kids. They don't know you. But a stranger prays for them to win regardless. These random kids are in incredible danger and that's enough to pray for their safety and that kindness humans can show for each other is too much for Giygas to survive.
@@agenericguy1014 he saw a movie in the theaters, and there was a guy who killed his wife by strangling her and then he brought her body to a place, I think a hospital to chop her body up. He watched that movie by accident as a kid not knowing what the movie was about, and said he put that traumatic feeling into the final boss of this game because he never forgot it. The feeling he had was unfathimable to him to understand at the time as a child.
I got to this boss fight spoiler-free at 1 a.m. in the morning with the lights out. This was one of the best experiences of my gaming life. I would be lying if I didn't say I was terrified and uneasy. 10/10 would do it again.
I remember when I beat earthbound for the first time not to long ago. I knew about everything giygas related and was fully expecting everything But while fighting him I still got a deep uneasy feeling That’s the power this fight has, it creeps you out even when you know exactly what’s happening and we’re ready for it
Giygas right now makes up the entire background, so you would just see the incomprehensible horror all around you recede slightly when you try to poke it with your knife
I've done some rom hacking on this game in the past and am pretty familiar with how it works behind the scenes, can confirm that there is no Giygas battle sprite. Giygas is portrayed by a battle background.
Okay but can we talk about how amazing this battle is? The usual point of bosses is to make you feel outclassed, and this? You're hopeless without praying. And the lore, an alien who loses someone they love turns into a nigh omnipotent being capable of destroying the galaxy by hypothetically sneezing too hard. This also isn't just "you're screwed" in terms of music like megalovania, as someone said. This doesn't even need it's music to be fast paced, but is absolutely horrifying. Just looking at Giygas tells you you're doomed. 10/10
Yeah other games of the era always made you feel like you had a chance to beat the final boss (Kefka, Zeromus, Lavos, etc.) But against Giygas the battle was so bizarre I really felt like I had no chance
You can hear how much trouble he's having based on the beep-boop noises in the background. In his initial encounter (first game), he had a frequency sound that was high and buzzy, you know, kind of like a brainwave "frequency". Then when you see him this time, 3:30 hear the same thing, but its waayyy more sad and distorted and drawn out. When he gets wounded, his frequency destablizes even more (5:05). I've also always imagined the static in the background as him actually speaking, and he has that high pitched, almost computerized voice that sounds like static. I mean, he's just a longcat, so, the demon voice that some people try to give him in "voice overs" never tracked for me lol.
Isn’t it wonderful? The strength of faith is the one that destroyed Giygas. I think the meaning behind this whole game is, A child of innocence that overcame all odds, especially not letting PTSD affect him in his life. The more challenges he faced, even in times of despair, the stronger he became. You cannot imagine how powerful this story really is!
Yeah but seriously this game is pretty freaky in many parts and defiantly wouldn't be considered a kids game more for teens which is why it was re rated t
As much as Giygas is one of the most freakiest Nintendo villains, He's actually a tragic villain, if you read his backstory and fought him in the fan translated Earthbound Beginnings, it's unclear exactly how, but after his first defeat, he literally has his mind and body destroyed, and succumbed to villainy against his will, enough so that defeating in this is like giving him euthanasia.
I remember my mom snuck up behind me when I was a kid and watched me play this whole gigyas fight then she asked if she could try now me and her play all the time and her favourite game is earthbound
I say this without any irony, Earthbound snes has changed my life. Playing this game as a 12 year old was so surreal. This game .. what is it? I still don't know! I'm 42 now. I never grew out of this game. You don't play a game like this game and simply forget about it. It's funny, it's sad, it's tender, it's terrifying, it's fun and it's a true original. There was nothing like this game before and never will be again. It's almost as surreal playing the game as a 42 year old now as it was a young fell'r. I was NESS. I played baseball. The SNES era is when I started playing RPG's. I went fromm FF4 and Chrono Trigger to Earthbound. Talk about sensory whiplash. As soon as I picked up the 'cracked baseball bat' and equipped it, I knew I was going to be in for it. There is a comical irreverence, a sweetness in tone to the game's story, character and dialogue and then all of a sudden... BOOM! Cosmic horror. WHAT IS HAPPENING??? The events leading up to end game literally still knock the crap out of my conscious mind. Am I really playing this game right now or is this game playing me? The visual presentation with the cutesy Charlie Brown esque characters turning into robots to fight an enemy that is shapeless and formless.... and the music... this final battle with this unconscious entity, GIYGAS, is incomprehensible and is still one of the most unsettling things I have ever seen. It's also incredibly moving. This battle with an unknown enemy, shapeless and formless is even more terrifying to me now as an adult than it was when I was a kid. It isn't a boss... is a battle against the fear that lurks in the unknown of every human heart. The way Giygas is presented in-game is incredibly Lovecraftian. Giygas is not something that humans can comprehend. The music represents this feeling to the letter. I still head bang to the intro at 1:03... I still headbang to this opening. OMG It's fucking operatic! I love how it starts with NES soundfonts with this almost gothic baroque style of classical music... It's like Beethoven. Then it goes into PURE METAL... THEN CHAOS. HOLY SHIT.
