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This smoke machine has failed in one of the most destructive manners I've seen. The aluminium heater core has literally melted into a puddle. Let's take a look at how it was supposed to work and see if we can work out what happened.
Having disassembled the thermal switch in the video I'm inclined to think that an external fault occurred that caused current to bypass the thermal switch and flow through the heater until it overheated to such a degree that the thermal switch was baked and the contact lost its springiness and remained in the open position where the bimetallic disk would have been pushing it at the time.
The list of issues for this machine is staggering.
Three core cable but earth not connected despite threaded post being there for it.
Fuse holder fitted but not connected.
Cable has brittle insulation that splits around the gland area.
Cable may be copper coated aluminium.
Remote socket is standard 3 pin XLR with full mains voltage on it.
No last-resort thermal fuse, as used on most other machines.
Incoming supply polarity random between several units.
The one good feature it has is that the heater block is nicely made. It atomises the fog fluid well.
With a redesign of the electrics it could be quite a good machine.
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Комментарии : 986   
@ollylewin
@ollylewin 5 лет назад
"It will send 240 volts down your DMX network. Excellent". This is why we love you Clive.
@jgilly3362
@jgilly3362 4 года назад
Dmx is what you use to control DJ lighting, effects and atmospherics
@syaz4380
@syaz4380 4 года назад
@@jgilly3362 use that on a xlr mic
@destinyofyeet9436
@destinyofyeet9436 4 года назад
yes
@ascii.encrypt9580
@ascii.encrypt9580 4 года назад
SyazTYT's other uploads or a speaker
@rasungod0
@rasungod0 3 года назад
@@thomasmussmann8321 If you accidentally connected a microphone or guitar to this, a performer could be hit with 240V mains and be severely injured or killed.
@Nukle0n
@Nukle0n 5 лет назад
"it's not asbestos" "I really hope it's not asbestos"
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 5 лет назад
Asbestos is still used in China. So it could find its way into products. But this stuff looks like standard thermal fluff.
@jakp8777
@jakp8777 5 лет назад
bigclivedotcom asbestos was the first thing I thought of when I saw that fiber. I’d be cautious with it and not to get it airborne just to be safe.
@keenanleetodd
@keenanleetodd 5 лет назад
It doesn't smell like asbestos.
@Agent24Electronics
@Agent24Electronics 5 лет назад
Some Chinese cars made by "Great Wall" that were imported here a few years ago were discovered to have had asbestos used in gaskets etc. I wouldn't put it past them to use asbestos in a bargain-basement smoke machine...
@keithpattison6763
@keithpattison6763 5 лет назад
Clive, the insulating material is probably a form of "Kaowool", which is spun ceramic fiber used as hot facing in kilns and furnaces. Some of it is good for 1600C and the insulating properties are brilliant. Not supposed to be harmful, but if you are handling it without a mask, you will start coughing within 10 minutes, can't be good for you.
@muh1h1
@muh1h1 5 лет назад
I have to quote AvE here: "Everything is a smoke mashine if you use it wrong enough"
@tncorgi92
@tncorgi92 5 лет назад
High shmoo content.
@queazocotal
@queazocotal 5 лет назад
Except smoke machines.
@Tuck-Shop
@Tuck-Shop 5 лет назад
It's the smoke inside that makes things work. Once you let it out it don't work anymore.
@Dutch3DMaster
@Dutch3DMaster 4 года назад
Hehe, a colleague of mine thought I had never heard the "There is magic smoke inside electrical components, because when it is out, they stop worknig"-joke and asked me if I knew what powers electrical components and I immediately completed the joke, he was a little disappointed :P.
@destinyofyeet9436
@destinyofyeet9436 4 года назад
yes
@CarnivalBen
@CarnivalBen 5 лет назад
Thanks for taking my smoke machines apart! As soon as I saw what happened to it I immediately thought of you! It was fascinating to see how the heater block was constructed. I didn’t realise the pipe through it was so long and wrapped around it like the winding on a transformer. The wire melted to the top outer cover was nothing to do with the smoke machine, it was just for a 12v supply to feed some LEDs that happened to come loose and lay across the top.
@Shaun.Stephens
@Shaun.Stephens 5 лет назад
So was there something else (other than the remote) plugged into the XLR socket? That's the most obvious mode of failure from watching the autopsy. Cheers.
@phhowe17
@phhowe17 5 лет назад
Did someone set something on the remote to force continuous smoke by passing the thermal cut out?
@CarnivalBen
@CarnivalBen 5 лет назад
Shaun Stephens yep, I built my own custom timer circuit to make it automatic rather than a manual push button. Take a look at my latest few videos on RU-vid if you wanna see what I was doing with them :)
@jamesmdeluca
@jamesmdeluca 5 лет назад
@@Shaun.Stephens I disagree as Clive himself pointed out; the remote's red (READY) LED path was a possible failure point only requiring the resistor and LED to provide a low resistance path to neutral. The remote needs to be examined.
@Shaun.Stephens
@Shaun.Stephens 5 лет назад
@@jamesmdeluca That is your right. ;)
@kylefox6115
@kylefox6115 5 лет назад
The spring contact in the thermal disconnect might have annealed in the open position when the block overheated. I bet the remote cable melted on the housing and then shorted the heater on.
@matthewellisor5835
@matthewellisor5835 5 лет назад
I fully agree that this is the most likely mode.
@seannot-telling9806
@seannot-telling9806 5 лет назад
@@matthewellisor5835 I think he nailed the reason that the switch was open. I find the idea about the cord melting and causing the fault very likely too.
@mysock351C
@mysock351C 5 лет назад
Given how everything was blued inside, it got hot enough to almost glow.
@mysock351C
@mysock351C 5 лет назад
Using a blueing chart for steel, the temperature got up to around 600 deg F in the switch.
@martenthornberg275
@martenthornberg275 5 лет назад
​@@mysock351C 600 F = 316 C agree with others, the copper lost it springiness from heat when it was pushed down.
@twocvbloke
@twocvbloke 5 лет назад
It's like your own miniature Chernobyl Elephants' Foot model, but without the tangy fizz of nuclear radiation... :P
@Agent24Electronics
@Agent24Electronics 5 лет назад
How do you know the Chinese didn't mix some nuclear waste into the alloy just to dispose of it?
@twocvbloke
@twocvbloke 5 лет назад
Cos they'd get more money for it selling the waste to north korea for their nuclear fireworks program... :P
@hamishgrove7722
@hamishgrove7722 5 лет назад
That was my first thought too
@crackedemerald4930
@crackedemerald4930 5 лет назад
That's an argument i didn't expect
@kevinjbakertribe
@kevinjbakertribe 5 лет назад
The Elephant's foot immediately came to my mind too :)
@johnbouttell5827
@johnbouttell5827 5 лет назад
Where there's smoke -- there's Clive
@lebaquette
@lebaquette 5 лет назад
Big smoke, cj
@chrisakaschulbus4903
@chrisakaschulbus4903 4 года назад
so i have to watch out when i vape in my room? :/
@TheChipmunk2008
@TheChipmunk2008 5 лет назад
So it had no fuse on the input side even though it looks like it should have one.... Are you sure this thing wasn't made by Weller
@thatsunpossible312
@thatsunpossible312 5 лет назад
Came here to make this comment :)
@sismofytter
@sismofytter 5 лет назад
Nice one 👍🏻
@TheFoodnipple
@TheFoodnipple 5 лет назад
I think I seen the Weller logo in the puddle of aluminum
@Paxmax
@Paxmax 5 лет назад
😂😂😂
@dwddn
@dwddn 5 лет назад
:-D
@bobblebardsley
@bobblebardsley 5 лет назад
4:56 "He's gone completely open-circuit" just became my way to describe someone who's lost their temper.
@ShroomheadOne
@ShroomheadOne 5 лет назад
you were right. I am a sound guy and 240V on a 3 pin XLR does make me very very upset
@BlackEpyon
@BlackEpyon 5 лет назад
Ours had the IEC connector for the remote. I've been in the position of being the sound, lighting, and IT guys all at the same time (medium sized school). They really need to make those connectors more non-standard, because whatever they use I know of something else you could plug into it.
@sixstringedthing
@sixstringedthing 5 лет назад
Note to connector/terminal designers: If you design the pins/contacts such that they appear robust enough to pass high current, someone somewhere absolutely WILL use them for that purpose, even if they're not rated for it.
@theskett
@theskett 5 лет назад
@@sixstringedthing While what you say is absolutely correct (and, thanks) -- if the connector isn't /doesn't look robust, it won't withstand normal plug / unplug usage. Kinda no-win, on that :-)
@dat_chip
@dat_chip 5 лет назад
That's also the part that really got me off my chair, and go "whoa, calm down, Satan!"
@sixstringedthing
@sixstringedthing 5 лет назад
@@theskett True of course, and also the main reason why XLRs get bastardised for bloody everything. Sure, maybe someone will fry an expensive console or outboard rack when they mix up the 240V XLR with a mic cable. But the connector will be extremely robust right up to that point. :)
@thatgermenfan3106
@thatgermenfan3106 5 лет назад
Big Clive, inventor of modern hotboxing
@LiLi-or2gm
@LiLi-or2gm 5 лет назад
Melting is one of my favorite failure modes. I also like unexpected detonations and sudden ruptures.
@twotone3070
@twotone3070 5 лет назад
I prefer sudden rapture, but each to their own :)
@Dutch3DMaster
@Dutch3DMaster 5 лет назад
My brother has had several instances in which electronics projects went up in smoke. The one in which he switched everything on and smoke started shooting out of a 555 (I think) and right after that showed a small flame was one of the coolest, though, because he went like *flips the switch, at which an obvious hissing sound becomes apparent* "Now what the hell is this...." *a small flame erupts* "OH ****" *flicks the switch maniacally* "NOW HOW ON EARTH DID THAT HAPPEN!?" he expleted slightly frustrated and started tracing the connections and found a resistor that was in the 100's of Ohms, instead of 100 kilo Ohms if I recall correctly. He made some calculations why the thing failed in such a spectacular manner and found out he tried pumping several amps through a 555 on an input that only liked milliamps :P and was like "Weeeeell there is my problem.....".
@roowut
@roowut 4 года назад
Adds to the show
@davestech6357
@davestech6357 5 лет назад
I had a 2000 lb smoke machine. It was a Ford explorer and the coolant was leaking into the plenum and the exhaust was all white smoke. That explains a lot.
@tbelding
@tbelding 5 лет назад
That's a blown head gasket or cracked block. Most likely the head gasket. (I actually had a cracked head once). It's usually no big deal to fix. Pop the valve cover, remove the valves while keeping the exact positioning on a cloth, unbolt the head, pull clean off the gasket, new gasket, new bolts, reinstall the valves and tappets, and pop the valve cover back on. About a two hour job if you just get right into it. (At least, when I was doing it on a Ford Escort.)
@thomasstrickland0
@thomasstrickland0 5 лет назад
Troy Belding intakes on modern cars have coolant going through them these days. The fords were known for breaking plastic plenums and pouring coolant down the throats of the engine.
@tbelding
@tbelding 5 лет назад
@@thomasstrickland0 - I'll take your word for it. I've never worked on a car with coolant _and_ plastic together. The manifolds I've seen with coolant were metal. I'll admit that the only 'trucks' I've worked on were an '88 S10 Blazer and a '98 Kia Sportage. Neither are exactly 'modern' - depending on how you define modern. Personally, I'd define modern as 'The point where carburetors were almost completely replaced by fuel injection'. (AKA 'computer controlled')
@thomasstrickland0
@thomasstrickland0 5 лет назад
Troy Belding metal would be better, but manufacturers engineer things to fail these days and now they engineer things to fail with no user serviceable parts. Really annoying.
@pqrstzxerty1296
@pqrstzxerty1296 5 лет назад
Disco...
@RealUnimportant
@RealUnimportant 5 лет назад
I don't know which is more fascinating, that the heater element was powerful enough to melt the aluminium, or that the rest of the device was apparently so undisturbed despite the presence of molten aluminium!
@franglish9265
@franglish9265 5 лет назад
Aluminium melts at a much lower temp than the copper does... If they'd used copper wires, instead of copper plated ones, I suspect there'd be a small fire, rather than molten aluminium.
@johnfrancisdoe1563
@johnfrancisdoe1563 4 года назад
Anthony M What? Your argument missed some steps to make sense. Are you saying the copper clad chinesium wires melted before the copper piping to cut power to whatever bypassed the thermostat?
@SkigBiggler
@SkigBiggler 4 года назад
You can use your average stove element to melt copper, aluminium and various other metals. They'll just keep getting hotter till the element melts itself.
@Zodliness
@Zodliness 5 лет назад
Good review. I worked for a lighting effects company many a moon ago and while there, had a good look inside a split aluminium heating block, salvaged from a Cloud-9 smoke machine. Constructed from two half blocks, each contains a spiral half groove, with the blocks welded together, the coiled path starts at the outside edge (nearest pump) and steam is ejected from a small bore hole with a nozzle tapped into it 90° out from the centre of one block. It was quite a piece of fine machining. I can see why the Chinese preferred to wrap a length of pipe around the element.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 5 лет назад
Another block I looked at was made from a sandwich of three aluminium plates. In between two was a standard spiral cooker element and in between the other was a long zig-zagged copper tube.
@ZZtop-gg3lu
@ZZtop-gg3lu 5 лет назад
The lower contact in the thermal switch is probably made from beryllium copper and is springy from its self. The heat annealed the beryllium copper.
@ulwur
@ulwur 5 лет назад
Is beryllium really used in consumer products? I thought is was too poisonous and only used in aerospace and industry who knows not to play with it
@ZZtop-gg3lu
@ZZtop-gg3lu 5 лет назад
@@ulwur Yes it is. Look for the movable contact. www.farnell.com/datasheets/1736820.pdf
@fuzzy1dk
@fuzzy1dk 5 лет назад
beryllium is really only dangerous if you weld or grind it and inhale the dust or fumes
@goamarty
@goamarty 5 лет назад
@@ulwur The beryllium-copper alloy is not dangerous. The danger of beryllium is basically only the inhalation of it's oxide dust. Similar to the danger of inhalation of quartz dust (silicosis).
@bigjd2k
@bigjd2k 4 года назад
Ibrahim Ulf Karlsson The pink insulators on magnetrons is, don’t mess with it!
@crimsonhalo13
@crimsonhalo13 5 лет назад
Ethylene glycol + fog machine = everyone gets vapor drunk before they drop dead of partying too hard. Not exactly a desirable outcome. Also, I'm loving that faux-fuse effect. Nothing but the finest Chinesium in that one.
@kareno8634
@kareno8634 5 лет назад
I wonder if it was Advertised . . 'with Real Fuse Holder!' ?
@jrmcferren
@jrmcferren 5 лет назад
Coming soon from Weller:-P
@jgilly3362
@jgilly3362 4 года назад
Yeah if you want poisoning
@superdau
@superdau 5 лет назад
I think copper anneals somewhere around 400-600°C. So the contact will have lost its springiness and stayed in the pushed down position.
@davidb5255
@davidb5255 5 лет назад
Was about to suggest the same thing. You can reverse the annealing effect by heating the copper to cherry red and then quenching in water, useful to get copper washers back to normal so they deform to seal joints. The aluminium block is interesting as, depending on the alloy composition, it's likely to have a melting point between 460-670'C, pure aluminium is around 660'C. Copper is > 1000'C which is why the heating pipe and heating element sleave is intact.
@markiangooley
@markiangooley 5 лет назад
In the immortal words of Al Yankovic: Don't know why, the kind of stuff you'd throw away, I'll buy on eBay.
@franglish9265
@franglish9265 5 лет назад
Yes!
@radry100
@radry100 5 лет назад
Largest e-cig ever
@cabe_bedlam
@cabe_bedlam 5 лет назад
Basically yes!
@licensetodrive9930
@licensetodrive9930 5 лет назад
It's the first step to an e-bong.
@basshead.
@basshead. 5 лет назад
That's not true. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3C2OUQL6_yQ.html
@omegaa3311
@omegaa3311 5 лет назад
radry100 vape nash
@camevans6883
@camevans6883 5 лет назад
Juul turboDiesel
@richardturton6900
@richardturton6900 5 лет назад
The heater block will probably have been made of a zinc based diecasting alloy like zamac which melts at around 400C.
@dustysparks
@dustysparks 5 лет назад
Doesn't BosnianBill run into such alloys on cheap electronic locks?
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252
@@dustysparks yeah, he does. Lock picking lawyer has too.
@DumbArse
@DumbArse 5 лет назад
Wouldn't that be incredibly stupid? The heater gets up to 300C° when not faulty so one would expect an alloy that takes atleast 600C° to melt for the machine to not destroy itself when used for a prolonged time
@Agent24Electronics
@Agent24Electronics 5 лет назад
@@DumbArse Of course, but that's what you get when you buy the cheapest junk from China...
@dustysparks
@dustysparks 5 лет назад
@@DumbArse Under ideal circumstances it wouldn't melt, but given that the unit didn't even have the fuse installed, they went with the cheapest "pot metal" they could, and hoped for the best. Even if the fuse WERE connected, I don't think it would have helped, as the coil can only draw so much (resistive load) . The killer here was the thermal run-away. There should be a thermal fuse (non-reset-able) set to about 50degC above the working temp of the block wired in a way that even the remote switch couldn't bypass. Then if it were to go run-away like this, it would cut off permanently. Hair dryers use this concept. If the the wires in the heating element of the hair dryer go above what's expected, no more hair dryer (rather than no more house due to catastrophic house fire!).
@lundy405
@lundy405 5 лет назад
Every machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough!
@alessandroceloria
@alessandroceloria 5 лет назад
But apparently the same does not hold true for chineese smoke machines... Unless you really enjoy aluminum fumes
@supersaiyangoku3580
@supersaiyangoku3580 5 лет назад
*Electroboom*
@boonedockjourneyman7979
@boonedockjourneyman7979 5 лет назад
Best tear down yet. Your curiosity is infectious.
@brewski118sempire
@brewski118sempire 5 лет назад
I deal with those bi-metals almost everyday working in the appliance repair field. Almost every kind that we deal with are non-re-settable. Once they "open" they stay open, though Dacor and Frigidaire have a few re-settable one with a little button that you have to press to reset them. I have always wanted to take one apart but every time I tried I would make a mess of it. I thank you for finally showing me how they work.
@andysim232
@andysim232 5 лет назад
Still less smoke than today's burned turkey
@ThatBum42
@ThatBum42 5 лет назад
Holy smokes (lol) that thing got hot, was not expecting to see a _melted heater block_ inside it. It's possible that the block isn't aluminum and is in fact pot metal of some description. Also I'm guessing that the bimetallic diaphragm got so hot it got permanently warped out of shape.
@olipito
@olipito 5 лет назад
Man, I love it so much when stuff goes wrong and you investigate it
@jurajhezel942
@jurajhezel942 4 года назад
I'm in love with this mans enthusiasm for burnt blown out otherwise destroyed and dead machinery 😃
@tazz1669
@tazz1669 5 лет назад
4:20 thought you were going to say "Smoke and mirrors" another great video, thanks Clive
@dj1NM3
@dj1NM3 5 лет назад
Apparently the annealing temperature of copper is 400C. The melting point of pure aluminium is 660C, so the melting heater block seems to have annealed the springy contact inside the thermal/bimetallic switch. So the thermal switch clicked out, the melting heater block destroyed the springiness of the copper contact arm and it just stayed open-circuit despite dropping back below its cut-out temperature. . I would guess that the skid-mark shorted-out pins 1 and 3 (or 1 and 2, with the pump failing closed-circuit) , so the heater-block was powered until it failed.
@jftechdrones
@jftechdrones 4 года назад
I have a "FXLAB" 400W smoke machine. It looks similar to this on the inside but the fuse is actually wired up, the switch is permanently wired in the back and there is a thermal fuse directly under the heater block. Good to see that they have made improvements.
@ATMAtim
@ATMAtim Год назад
Hello Clive. Thanks for the breakdown on this toy.
@aldamnation
@aldamnation 5 лет назад
My friend bought one of these from amazon for Halloween. It kept giving people electric shocks when they touched the bottom. I wanted to get inside and see what the problem was but never got round to it. I think it’s Safe to say we won’t be seeing it out for Halloween 2019.
@crimsonhalo13
@crimsonhalo13 5 лет назад
That's a feature, not a bug.
@jamesmdeluca
@jamesmdeluca 5 лет назад
I think a GFCI (USA term) is called for the outdoor outlet its plugged into. (I think GFCI is the wrong term for use in 220-240 vac countries.
@rollieroulston
@rollieroulston 5 лет назад
@ James M DeLuca : Yeah in the UK it's known as a residual-current device, they are usually fitted to certain circuits at the circuit breaker panel, rather than being fitted directly to the sockets being protected
@aldamnation
@aldamnation 5 лет назад
@@crimsonhalo13 certainly was a good feature too. The lads were loving it more than the smoke
@bearicade5582
@bearicade5582 4 года назад
5:55 Big Clive Secretly wants your dirty thoughts,But does not want to get banned.
@jjab99
@jjab99 5 лет назад
Many thanks for all the great videos throughout the year Clive. I hope that you have a very Merry Christmas and a Very Happy New Year!!! Best of luck in 2019, Joe
@digitalpaul
@digitalpaul 5 лет назад
Great stuff Clive I have used a few of these in various gigs over the years. I will certainly be pulling them apart and checking their wiring in future. Nasty!
@RambozoClown
@RambozoClown 5 лет назад
What an amazing failure mode. Having molten aluminium dripping from overhead smoke machines would be most unexpected at the party. Cut off the earth wire and decorative fuse holder for the win. Perhaps the Chinese really are trying to take over the world, one dodgy product at a time?
@alessandroceloria
@alessandroceloria 5 лет назад
What is even more upsetting is that it wouldn't have costed them anything to weld the cutoff ground cable to the housing... And it wouldn't have also costed them anything to just run the mains cable through that fuseholder... It's not cost reduction... It's not lazy engineering... It's... I don't even know what
@ianbonadia2832
@ianbonadia2832 5 лет назад
@@alessandroceloria They just...don't give a shit. It's just that simple. I used to live in Brazil and I would see this sort of behavior all the time.."whats this? earth wire? lol just cut that shit off" "this extra safety earth pin is not letting me plug my washing machine..well just get some pilers and remove that sucker!" Don't even let me start on electricians who leave most of the earth wires completely disconnected inside of the wall sockets. You think earthing is ok because everything is plugged and working nicely, but nope, you open the wall socket only to see the earth wire just pushed into a corner, covered in electrical tape.. It's retarded.
@sayyamzahid7312
@sayyamzahid7312 2 года назад
@@ianbonadia2832 Chris Kyle died in the battle rip Massachusetts
@zaprodk
@zaprodk 5 лет назад
It's really critical that the smoke machine has no thermal fuse as a second line of defence.
@jamesmdeluca
@jamesmdeluca 5 лет назад
Located within the heater block.
@zaprodk
@zaprodk 5 лет назад
@@jamesmdeluca it needs to be a separate one to be effective.
@eliignatoff6864
@eliignatoff6864 5 лет назад
Where I worked 3-pin XLRs are used for mics and 5-pin for DMX. Helps prevent cross connecting, cable theft between departments and knife fights during load-out. One needs to be totally "clewless" to runs mains voltage through either of them.
@chrisengland5523
@chrisengland5523 2 года назад
A very clever dual purpose device - a combined smoke machine and aluminium smelt.
@jamesvandamme7786
@jamesvandamme7786 5 лет назад
It would be fun to plug a mic into that XLR connector. Pin 1 is ground, so 240 volts would go through the lo impedance mic element into the pump. Probably add extra smoke output, but not for long.
@thedevilinthecircuit1414
@thedevilinthecircuit1414 5 лет назад
"They fuse together--they form a...one..." Am I the only one yelling 'EMULSION' at Clive? WOW, there's little doubt that 2nd smoke machine is extremely dedicated to its career: "Make smoke with namby-pamby smoke juice? That's for rookies!" I think the heat event softened the thin copper spring contact in the thermostat and the metal relaxed, causing the contact to fall to the bottom. Cheers, mate :o)
@HenryLoenwind
@HenryLoenwind 5 лет назад
yes, because it's not an emulsion.
@Cylon39
@Cylon39 5 лет назад
Possibly… The smoke button was stuck shut like it was being used to make smoke on a continuous basis. The current drawn to run the pump caused the heater to get hotter and hotter. Although this was a much less current than it need to heat, it was sufficient to cause the temperature to slowly rise. This caused the thermal switch to stay in the open position through its deformation temperature and that caused the Thermal Switch to lose its springiness so it would never close after that. The heat continued to build until the aluminum melted and either the heater burned out, or something else burned open due to the excessive heat. It obviously was enough to melt wires on the top of the unit while melting the aluminum. Alternatively, Something shorted internally giving a path to ground through the heater causing the same thing without the button being pressed continuously. Just a theory.
@GingerChristmas
@GingerChristmas 5 лет назад
Congratulations on half a million subs, Clive!
@no1slisteninganyway
@no1slisteninganyway 5 лет назад
Spectacular melt-down. This is just like what can happen to 3D printers which ship with thermal runaway protection turned off.
@WaltonPete
@WaltonPete 5 лет назад
"The different manufacturers say 'Use our liquid'" - sounds like it's all smoke and mirrors. Well, smoke, anyway.
@pietypereira8239
@pietypereira8239 2 года назад
Thank you for sharing your experience.
@shelbyarndts8223
@shelbyarndts8223 4 года назад
You could say that the smoke machine...... "went up in smoke" 😎
@cabe_bedlam
@cabe_bedlam 5 лет назад
I think the word you were looking for mixing was "miscible".
@57dent
@57dent 5 лет назад
I'd vote that someone looped the remote cable over the top of the machine. It heated up, melted the remote cable and shorted the wires for pins 1 & 3 leading to the heater not turning off!!
@LucasLane
@LucasLane 5 лет назад
57dent read top comment
@WaltonPete
@WaltonPete 5 лет назад
Except the person who sent it in says that the melted cables on the top of the case have nothing to do with the failure as they were for low voltage lighting which happened to touch the overheated smoke machine.
@mrclubike
@mrclubike 5 лет назад
I suspect something may have shorted inside the remove if the remote cord was not damaged
@PhilipKloppers
@PhilipKloppers 5 лет назад
Sweet Christmas!! I had flashbacks the instant you opened that cover... Someone left a large water urn on overnight, which boiled dry, and then failed to turn the heater off and melted the aluminium/pewter mounting components that then dripped onto a formica counter which very fortunately did not ignite before the heater tripped the GFI! Oh, that thermal switch probably worked correctly, but was heated beyond the point that spring relaxation occurs for that particular material, and so the contact was set in the new, open position.
@stevebrodie7777
@stevebrodie7777 5 лет назад
Merry Christmas and happy new year Clive .
@Flashy7
@Flashy7 5 лет назад
oh, a new video from Clive, what did he test? "ebay smoke machine" well, that does not narrow it down, it still can be anything :D
@Loreroth
@Loreroth 5 лет назад
If the smoke machine was run continuously and say the smoke fluid ran dry, could the pump have potentially passed enough current to keep the heater on? would have been interesting to see if the remote had shorted out
@SirFrag32
@SirFrag32 4 года назад
Maybe, except that once the heater cooled sufficiently the power to the pump would have been cut until it heated again.
@poosmate
@poosmate 5 лет назад
Hmmmm a smoke machine. Never felt the need nor desire to have one of those. Interesting look inside though. Great job, again! All the best, Poo
@raymondmucklow3793
@raymondmucklow3793 5 лет назад
The pump is mains right wonder if the the pump failed and if the pipe is conductive could have ben an on switch, bypassing the heater.
@kpanic23
@kpanic23 5 лет назад
I guess they didn't connect the fuse holder since there's already a fuse in the UK plug. And just left the fuse holder there to plug up that hole.
@oldmanhuppiedos
@oldmanhuppiedos 5 лет назад
Do not miss the diode in the diagram that goes to the pump.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 5 лет назад
It's part of the pump's wiring so I treated it as part of the pump block.
@jamesmdeluca
@jamesmdeluca 5 лет назад
As the pump is designed to work on AC the failure of the diode either-open or shorted should have resulted in no or much less smoke being emitted (I think) but not as a path around the thermal switch. An examination of the remote is warranted.
@daniellewis2291
@daniellewis2291 5 лет назад
Merry Christmas Clive!
@tobiaspartrige2895
@tobiaspartrige2895 5 лет назад
Your voice is very nice and calming
@3dPrint_and_chill
@3dPrint_and_chill 5 лет назад
𝘐𝘯𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘵 𝘴𝘮𝘶𝘵𝘵𝘺 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦.
@tin2001
@tin2001 5 лет назад
Aha... There it is!
@sparkyprojects
@sparkyprojects 5 лет назад
If the earth is not connected, there's no path to ground My thoughts pins 1&3 shorted, pump would not have worked Pump shorted, someone holding the button would overheat it, and the remnants of the fluid would be coming out I don't know if just holding the button on that when the fluid runs out would overheat it. I would guess that the thermal switch got so overheated ithe pin pushed very hard against the contact to deform it. (btw, those discs are fun to heat up, and drop them on a table in front of someone, see the discs jump) There are smoke liquids that generally fill a room, and others that will stay at floor level.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 5 лет назад
If the button is held the unit will normally pump until the thermal switch kicks back in to reheat the block and shunts the pump. The control circuit was probably shunted accidentally. Although the machine is not earthed the control circuit shorting to a return path would have powered the heater.
@legominimovieproductions
@legominimovieproductions 5 лет назад
The smoke machine released the magic smoke 😂😂
@theun-personing5674
@theun-personing5674 5 лет назад
95% of anything technical you say I don't understand but I bloody love it! 😂 👍
@daShare
@daShare 5 лет назад
Wow, that's so bad electrically.
@tncorgi92
@tncorgi92 5 лет назад
With that borrowed 3-pin connector, X would definitely give it to ya.
@DumbArse
@DumbArse 5 лет назад
Who doesn't enjoy 15K in damages when you use the wrong plug in a badly lit bar
@tncorgi92
@tncorgi92 5 лет назад
Attach the smoke detector to the smoke producing circuit so that every time it beeps, another puff is generated. Perpetual motion machine. (I know, not really)
@MisterCasket
@MisterCasket 5 лет назад
This could be my favorite thing next to the machine than can only turn itself off!
@user-vn7ce5ig1z
@user-vn7ce5ig1z 5 лет назад
There would have to be a delay otherwise it would be pointless because the puffs take a while to dissipate, so it would just be constantly beeping and puffing.
@shanee3485
@shanee3485 5 лет назад
15-20 years ago I purchased a fog machine here in Australia from a popular electronic parts retailer. As you said, my remote was attached by an IEC but obviously as the wiring didn’t conform to standards so that was “fixed” by inserting a screw through the connector inside the unit so it couldn’t be unplugged. Lol. Mine died from the motor and piping rusting out and leaking juice everywhere.
@throttlebottle5906
@throttlebottle5906 5 лет назад
a melted ebay device, go figure :))
@frogz
@frogz 5 лет назад
i JUST had a led light bulb shatter in my hand and i was cleaning up the glass/blood and i saw you uploaded a video, dammit, give me a second to clean the blood off my keyboard, thanks, merry christmas
@Ramog1000
@Ramog1000 5 лет назад
how the fuck did that happen if I might ask?
@tbelding
@tbelding 5 лет назад
@@Ramog1000 - Remember, some LED light bulbs, especially the antique style using the sticks of LEDs covered in phosphor, come in glass bulbs.
@DumbArse
@DumbArse 5 лет назад
@@tbelding That does not answer how it exploded
@tbelding
@tbelding 5 лет назад
@@DumbArse - @Frogz didn't say it exploded. It shattered. That could simply be trying to set it down while holding it. It could also be trying to unscrew it with a bit too much force and the base cracked - thus shattering the class.
@simonhopkins3867
@simonhopkins3867 5 лет назад
Were you taking it apart? Lol
@chrisandrus2735
@chrisandrus2735 5 лет назад
Youre hilarious! You always put a smile on my face😁
@avejst
@avejst 5 лет назад
Were are the laser show?... Happy holydays
@bren106
@bren106 5 лет назад
*The future of the internet needs you to modify your working machine to re-create the fault, so we can watch it happen on camera. It would be Fanny Flambeaux in a smoke machine* *Unsold stock of Explosion containment foil roasting tins will be in Poundland's end of year sale about now.*
@jamesmdeluca
@jamesmdeluca 5 лет назад
I think all that was needed was to plug in the remote from the failed unit to recreate the failure as long as the READY circuit hasn't opened.
@charliefarley5880
@charliefarley5880 5 лет назад
I love taking things apart keep up the good work
@LightSoySauce
@LightSoySauce 5 лет назад
Aluminium is not an Alloy, it is a single metallic chemical element. An Alloy is a mixture of a metal and another element, this addition can be either metal or otherwise. I love your videos Clive keep up the great work ))))))
@Bleats_Sinodai
@Bleats_Sinodai 5 лет назад
5:58 YTP people, have a blast
@sjoerd104
@sjoerd104 5 лет назад
LMAO
@DCBpower
@DCBpower 5 лет назад
OMG... 25 minuets before you mention the unconnected fuse holder... Pure torture.
@BlackWolf42-
@BlackWolf42- 5 лет назад
Is there such a thing as a smoke fluid with a fluorescent dye? I was going to try some fluorescent dyes but thought the dye wouldn't vaporize or it would just burn and clog up the heater.
@Graham-ce2yk
@Graham-ce2yk 5 лет назад
Great video. Looking forward to the test/teardown of that smoke alarm. I've seen a couple of videos of ebay smoke alarms that seem to have been designed to only work if the test button is used. One is by David McLucky, the other appears on the channel Ibusinesslogistics, scary stuff.
@webbax90
@webbax90 5 лет назад
Could it be that the smokemachine were forced to run all the time and a pump that's dead-short? so it could run the heater all the time without the bimetallic discharge?
@btdtagain
@btdtagain 3 года назад
You sir are the BOSS DAWG! I am no groupie lol only a student.. Thank you sensei!
@1kuhny
@1kuhny 5 лет назад
Lovely demonstration of how a solenoid pump works. Anyways, if it got that hot maybe it heated the metal so hot that it deformed the metal tab. The weight of the contact could've been enough to lower it away. You should heat a new one up with a blue torch to see how it fails.
@fukenbroken1
@fukenbroken1 5 лет назад
Me thinks, the ceramic pin may have cocked sideways in the hole and didn't allow the switch to disconnect? Or they put the disk in up side down?
@StageRightvideo
@StageRightvideo 5 лет назад
I used to do photography at gigs and so I saw all sorts of set-ups. Mostly at low key venues with unsigned bands, and standards varied a great deal. Sometimes a complete set-up and tear-down in a hired venue. Improvisation was common-place and sometime bands brought along their own extra gadgets too, including smoke machines. Now that I've seen this it make me wonder how close we might have been to some disaster or other...
@BrazzaB1
@BrazzaB1 5 лет назад
Hi Clive. How about designing a circuit to drop the DMX voltage to 12V powering a relay? Obviously the resistors in the remote would have to be changed.
@fookingsog
@fookingsog 5 лет назад
That thermal switch I also call a thermal popper. My central air gas furnace has them in multiple locations to sense overheating conditions. I also work on copy machines and in the ones that have hot rollers with halogen heating lamps, they also have thermal poppers in series with the halogen lamps, although they don't have the aluminum cap that you had to cut away but are more exposed. Tripped (open) thermal poppers on fusers can be "reset" by inverting canned air and spraying the surface with the cold to "reset" the bi-metallic strip. I have also had success resetting by slapping the bi-metallic surface side on the concave handle section of a screwdriver. 😁👍🏻
@rkettridge
@rkettridge 5 лет назад
Had exactly the same happen to an old Martin/Jem smoke machine years ago that a well meaning, but slightly inexperienced, tech swapped out a faulty thermal switch. It was buried out of sight and they only spotted something was wrong when the white smoke coming out of it turned to black!
@lochinvar00465
@lochinvar00465 4 года назад
I did an autopsy on one of those "shaker" flashlights. They are advertised as being re-charged by shaking it and causing a magnet to bounce back and forth through a coil to generate electricity. However, this one was a disaster. The "magnet" was a simple piece of iron, and the rectifier diodes were missing. And to top everything else, the batteries were not re-chargeable.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 4 года назад
I made a video about that.
@Parax77
@Parax77 5 лет назад
If the Button were to be permanently pressed could the heater draw enough power through the pump to overheat the block once the fluid has run dry? bad design and usage rather than failure? Wondering if the copper arm in the thermal cutout has got so hot that it has lost its springiness and failed open...
@leehollywood196
@leehollywood196 8 месяцев назад
Want to build one and what way do you think would be best to wire
@jimmyers8795
@jimmyers8795 4 года назад
Hi clive, I used to be a Hotpoint engineer, we used this sort of bi-metallic switch in condenser tumble dryers - basically there are 2 types. One type resets itself when the excess temperature drops, the other type is a one off action, it sets but won't reset./ We were supposed to replace them, but if you bang them on a hard surface, it will cause the bimetallic disk to reset, saving the cost of a new one. They still work ok afterwards. The idea is that the customer has to call an engineer out because they have probably been overloading the tumble dryer and need to be advised about correct appliance operation.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 4 года назад
That makes sense. My older drier had a reset button on the back which did activate when the machine had water build up issues inside due to a blocked sump.
@jimmyers8795
@jimmyers8795 4 года назад
@@bigclivedotcom Most of the Hotpoint (lndesit) condenser driers had 2 trips under a small panel at the rear, one was the self resetting type the other was a one shot.
@Harrydewulf
@Harrydewulf Год назад
An led that lights when you press a pushbutton is a HUGE benefit for preserving the mechanics of the button, because it discourages heavy-handed users from pressing the button too hard. I recommend an indicator light for any and every push-button for this reason.
@davidv1289
@davidv1289 5 лет назад
WOW! Another exciting product from China. Would have been interesting to probe around with an ohmmeter before disassembly to see if you could determine the failure mode. Thanks for another great video!
@AlexLaw_Qld
@AlexLaw_Qld 5 лет назад
Almost tempting to do a slight upgrade on remotr connector, fuse, earth and the thermal protection, that is a nice smoke generator. Ia the price good?
@Tocsin-Bang
@Tocsin-Bang 5 лет назад
My wife had her own magic smoke experience on Christmas Eve. I've done a Clive. It was the fan. It was a synchronous motor and pretty exposed on the back it had accumulated years of dust and muck, the winding was burnt out.
@AntonioClaudioMichael
@AntonioClaudioMichael 5 лет назад
That's nuts good video Clive
@videoforgeeks
@videoforgeeks Год назад
Great vid! I have recently replaced my pump and the original pump had a ground wire going from a tab on the pump back to a ground screw. The new pump does not have that ground wire. Is there any significance for this ground wire for operation? I just stripped a wire between the pump mount and capped to the ground wire again?
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Год назад
In these units the ground wire on the pump is optional. It's more important to check that the case is earthed if it's metal.
@danielhorne6042
@danielhorne6042 3 года назад
i wonder if they make a handheld version which ran on batteries ? as all it is is just heating element tubing pump temp monitoring ect
@electrolab9913
@electrolab9913 5 лет назад
Even with the thermal switch closed, shouldn't the pump still working the same beign basically in parallel to the heating element?
@mason6300
@mason6300 5 лет назад
Amazing how long these things go on after meltdown.
@Slikx666
@Slikx666 5 лет назад
Hi Clive, I'm having a guess that if the heating core was encased in aluminium but didn't melt then zinc must be the metal that melted. Hope you had a good walk on the beach... Happy holidays.
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