It works, my strength went up tremendously and as the same for my size in a short amount of time I’d honestly say try it out before you say something about it.
Even though I’m someone who is interested by the turkesterone and ecdysterone studies and findings . I appreciate this is rightfully honest and unbiased opinion on the supplement.
not sure about the health claims but it gives gains big time. I took 1000 mg per day for 3 months. it made me more lean and I gained more muscle. it didnt shut down my hormones. its basically like 5-10mg of anavar. its not quiet as strong as claimed. but there are some results there above creatine. I have been almost at my genetic potential for years gains have been minimal. but with ecdysterone I gained 5lbs in 3 months and lost body fat. I was also knocking pr after pr week after week. it felt like newby gains all over again. that hasnt happened to me in years.
@Sean Kazab when I came off of it I noticed my strength did dip and muscle size lost a bit of size just like before I ever took it. so the results were just while your on it. also no side effects during or after at all. no hormone shut down nothing. with that said I cant see a reason to not keep taking it indefinitely so that's probably what I am gonna do next. I took a 4 month cycle.
@Sean Kazab yeah its obviously enhanced. but just with 0 side effects. maybe if you werent already at your genetic potential youd keep some of it. I have no idea how it works on a newbie lifter.
A well constructed video. Picking up on your point that many studies are funded by supplement companies, the 2019 study wasn’t funded by a supplement company, it was funded by WADA. If you look at the other papers by Maria Parr who was involved in the study, you will see she has also been involved in demonstrating the actual amounts of ecdysteroids in supplement company products in quite a disparaging study of suppliers of the compounds. It’s an interesting read and names a lot of the suppliers and their products. The 2019 study was very clear that the actual dosage received by both groups of ecdysterone that exercised was much lower than labelled in the product. 6mg per capsule. So one group had 12mg a day and the other had 48mg. Both had significant strength gains.
Been on ecdy for about 2 months now just under 1000mg a day and I’ve gained about 10lbs and my strength is better each week. I was beginning to plateau but ecdy has definitely made my strength better which has made muscle growth better
It’s working for me in about three weeks I’ve been on it. Gains a lil better than creatine so far as far as size and better in strength. Also I feel a lil better energy and have been doing lil better at work. I found it on sale for 24.99 so worth a try.
People don't agree but this guy makes some good points. Even tho i think ecdysterone is potentially a helpful product, we can't compare its succes with the steroïds and sarms with the evidence we have. Its Just not there yet at that level and we don't have 2 shout at this guy because he is correct about the evidence.
I have a feeling many of the supplements on the market are bunk. Especially the ones from the late 90's and early 2000's. I take the highest quality Ecdysterone I can find (Muscle Empire supplements, US made and lab verified). I can say it definitely works, but I think your response is highly based on genetics. This supplement DEFINITELY works. After 4 weeks I've made more gains than I ever have. Perhaps I'm a super responder. But I am on a low protein diet for longevity, so maybe it works better under these conditions.
@@drycleanernick7603 It a complete conjecture. However I did find out the Muscle Empire brand sources the raw material from China so I stopped using it. I have yet to find a source that will commit to not using China for raw materials. I'm not questioning the purity of Muscle Empires product as they use pretty much the best testing I've seen, but I didn't see any heavy metals / toxin screens. Not worth the risk.
Basically it doesnt work because there's not enough studies... That doesnt mean it doesnt work thought does it? your opinion is pointless then unless you've tested it yourself and the whole video is pointless
I can tell ya right now. Ecdysterone works. Hads down. I bought 1 bottle and liked it so much I bought 2 more. I'm using AML's Ecdysterone. Finally gaining size, strength, and my weights have gone up. There's a solid combo I'm taking, but this has helped get me over the edge. Creatine doesn't work for me.. so, there could be 37737928364628 studies saying it does, but my body doesn't like it. It actually makes me weaker.. Also, my Ecdysterone is 500mg @ 95% concentrate. 1 pill after a workout.
@@officials.w.3moviesshows484 probably would see results. I'm finishing up this second bottle.. taking a week or 2 break & then taking one in the morning & another in the evening for a month. Seeing what that does. Ppl are taking like 2 to 6 grams of turkesterone & seeing great results. Might try it with ecdysterone
@@mitchellnebrosky2765 sounds good, just started taking about 250mg/day past few days and already feel more solid, dense, and slightly better body composition, looks promising so far, happy to be ahead of the curve with this stuff, even stopped taking creatine to single this stuff out for results.
From my understanding ecdysterone is only supposed to increase protein synthesis. I think you're straw manning this by adding in a bunch of extra benefits which I don't believe are widely talked about. Myself and many others have gotten great results from this. Not only this but there are reputable studies showing its efficacy in both humans and animals. Yes there should be more studies on this however I don't believe you can discount the ones that are out there right now. Not only this but nothing has been on this watch list for around 10 years or so. The supplement industry aside which I believe is largely a scam, you can get this from food.
@@vegetasfitnesschannel446 yes, does it work for you- if your not lagging, eg like if your plateaued, or not coming back from injury or sickness or newbie, or time off training?
Again, the critical term is "increase." That could be true whether its significant or only a fraction of a percent that's totally unnoticeable. Its the same with testosterone boosters. Boosting your testosterone even by 100 points (ex. 500-600) is completely useless as far as muscle building is concerned.
I will mention my anecdotal experience here with 2 ounces of dry quinoa each day (1 dry cup cooked and split into 1/4s, and consuming a 1/4 a day). Supposedly that is around 15 mg a day, or so, of ecdy. I stopped working out months ago and got fat during C19. My joints were hurting, couldn't run without pain since I'm fat and drink every weekend, got weak, couldn't get motivated when I would try to work out every month or so. Just depressed. I starting eating quinoa and I just can't see it being placebo or chance, but the next few days my joint pain was gone. I could sprint and run up to the store, through the store, back to my car. Couldn't believe it. I just said there's no way, especially since I'm fat now (5'9 and 220 lbs). I worked out shortly after starting the daily quinoa and I had no pain, pushed hard like I used to. My roommate said hey, your chest is swollen at the top with a line down the middle. I said well I feel pretty fucking swollen right now and even though I'm fat now it showed in the mirror. I felt better than I had in quite a while. I stopped eating quinoa. My pain came back within a couple days, cramps, and generally feeling like shit all came back. I started eating quinoa again. I felt incredibly good the next day like I had slept a full 8 hours of great sleep. I had to work out, and it felt good. I stopped eating quinoa again because I don't really know how to make it and got burnt out. I felt like shit again a couple days later. I just started eating quinoa again today and this time I looked up how to make it edible. I'm not stopping this time. I really do feel like it isn't all in my head. it seemed pretty clear how I felt while on it and then not, then again, and then not. The timing seemed to correlate very well. I'm not saying you're wrong. I just thought I'd mention my personal experience so far with it.
@@whoknows8223 Man I'm really glad you replied and reminded me of this stuff. I actually stopped eating it and life happened, then I forgot about it. Now that I think about it, I've felt like shit since then, so I'm going to get some tomorrow as well and put this on my daily to-do list so I never forget about it again. 💪
@@spacemanjupiter go for it! I stopped using supplements long time ago. If I reach my dream physique I don't want to be just because of some bs powders I have to take. So if 50 grams of quinoa daily can naturally do at least what creatine did to me in the past with such little effort I am going for it.
Well, I hope you are wrong since I'm eating quinoa daily at the moment, just for the ecdysterone. But you make a good case, so I'm not too optimistic about the quinoa-effect on my bench, squat etc.
Quinoa contains less than 1% ecdysterone per serving. If you want to get enough from only eating quinoa.... You're gonna have to eat an unreasonable amount. You're never gonna stop $hitting. Just get the supplement.
the differnce in gains betwee people taking 40mg and 200mg is about 20% based on the study. So you need to take 5 times more for 20%. You can get enough from quinoa and spinach to see good results. But most of you people are uninformed and greedy and want gains the quickest way possible so you shove untested chemicals down your throat.
Great video Christian! I hope you post more of these Q and A videos in the future. Guys check out Christian’s blog if you haven’t already. Absolute gold mine
Glad to see somebody out there talk honestly about this stuff. Everyone is running around shouting about how great the studies are behind ecdysterone without understanding that the handful of human studies are actually garbage.
And also ecdysterone is quite unknown it slowly starting to get popular but it’s just like anything it may work for most and may not work for others just like any other supplement
Eat plenty spinach and quinoa whilst adhering to your total macros. They contain this nutrient naturally in quantities that can provide the lower end of the therapeutic dose at reasonable consumption levels. On top of being nutrient dense.
@@krane15 lol, yeah food is typically cooked. You do realise that bioavailability of nutrients in foods are typically better than supplements / extracts. It’s why in pharmacokinetics we have methods for liposomal delivery mechanisms to improve its uptake.
@@jaredburgess9012 You're not listening. I can get all my protein from drinking milk. But if I did that I'd also get a lot of calories from carbs and a lot of fat which I don't need any more of. I'd also have to carry a gallon of milk with me and drink constantly all day. Are you going to carry containers of spinach and quinoa around with you? If I need extra vitamin C you can take a 1000 mg pill or eat a bag of oranges. Which would you prefer? Sure I'd get fiber with the fruit, but there's only so much fiber the body can handle and process per day, not to mention the preparation, consumption and all those extra calories. I eat an orange everyday, but that's all the citric acid my stomach can tolerate. While I can take X number of capsules per day. Supplements isolate those nutrients so that its more convenient. It also gives you more of just the nutrients you want, and none of what you don't need. Supplements are additions to food, not food replacements. I hope this example makes it clear this time.
@@krane15 your point holds for something like vitamin C given the high caloric load of oranges but given the nutrient density of spinach and the lack of calories (as it’s mostly water), eating spinach or spinach powder to get the edcdysterone in a more bioavailable format will have minimal impact on macros plus cover a lot of your micronutrient needs, so no I do not agree that it’s difficult to be worked into someone’s macros. You should watch @Team3DAlpha for the study reviews on this and recommendations. But if you want to spend your money on extracts and supplements of which may not be as effective and need quality control to assert that you are actually getting ecdysterone you are free to.
@@jaredburgess9012 if you get an extract you will got a lot bigger of a targeted dose of the substance you are after. Beauty of modern day tech. Granted you are using an honest supplement company. Too much spinach is actually unhealthy I recently heard. Something about too many ox….
The thing about those statement is that they fail to disclose the amount of improvement. Any tiny improvement would make the statement true, but that doesn't mean its enough to be of any muscle building benefits. BTW, speed @ 1.5.
So we are just going to ignore the German study and their very notable results? A lot of users show videos here with results! Are they a placebo effect? Highly doubtful. I say try it and see what it does!
What of the 100s of people who have recently started taking it since team 3D alpha and dereks videos and are subsequently reporting muscle mass and strength benefits? Is this placebo ? Or is something else going on ?
The placebo effect is certainly one possibility. Others include: 1. Some of the reports of greater strength/mass benefits with a particular supplement may come from people profiting from the sale of said supplement. Online reviews/comments not always reliable. 2. When people spend money on a supplement, that's often the trigger to get serious about their diet and training program. I've spent a chunk of money on a supplement, they think to themselves, so I want to give it the best chance of working. The extra gains may come from improvements in training/nutrition, rather than ecdysterone. 3. Does the supplement being used contain some other ingredient (declared on the label or not) besides ecdysterone that's primarily responsible for the gains? 4. You also need to consider how many people have used ecdysterone and seen no benefits, but never posted about it online. There may well be a far larger silent majority, possibly comprising millions of people (ecdysterone has been sold as a supplement for well over 20 years), who didn't benefit from ecdysterone, but we've never heard from them. Those are some of the reasons why controlled human trials are so important. They eliminate these variables, and give you a much better idea as to whether or not a supplement is worth using.
@@MuscleEvo He’s sent it to countless amounts of athletes he sponsors who’ve reported numerous benefits. Do you really think there are millions of people who’ve never benefitted from ectdystorone but we only hear from the ones who have nothing to gain from a positive review? 😭😭😭 your channel is not gonna go far at all
@@MuscleEvo I'm sorry man it definetly isn't placebo, I've been taking turkesterone powder for the last 2 months, I lifted naturally for 3 years and in the last year my bench has gone from 92.5kg to 97.5kg for a single in a whole year, after 2 months of turkesterone it went from 97.5 to 105kg and my weight stayed the same but my body composition is noticably different
@@MuscleEvo 100% truth. I have personally took ecdysterone and it was garbage. I knew before taking it that i wouldn't expect much and.. I never got any benefits tbh. More plates more dates says it's more powerful than DBOL and you can gain more strength than 600mg Testosterone. 😂😂 He sells turkesterone so it's safe to say he is reading the studies that has placebo groups or is just corrupt. If it was as effective as above we would all be jumping on it and it would be banned in sports. I hate people who sell products and try to sell it just for ££££ instead of actual benefits. Creatine is cheaper ' More effective and is pennys in comparison
I took a total of 800 mg daily for 2 months, my strength went up and my gains blew up as well not by any insane amount but pretty noticeable. The thing is you have to find pure beta ecsysterone powder, I always avoid the capsule supplement companies because they always underdose their products. Kept my gains but saw a small dip in strength.
I've still not come across any convincing evidence to show that it works, although it's been a while since I last had a dig through the research. I didn't say anything in the video about potentially harmful side effects.
epicathechin did work ( not that it is what u r talking abouth ) but it worked during a cut , only did it 1 month , but it rebounded , lost maybe few pounds extra , had a pump , not much more strength , but the weight came back like a jojo
@@MuscleEvo turkestrone works. Maybe do a video on it? I've been taking it for about a week but will revert from it for a week now as I finding it affecting my heart. But my strength has increased certainly.
Hey I was thinking about starting ecdysterone to see how it goes. I am currently in a sport and am drug tested. Would this pop up on a hair folecule test as a steroid?
@@larrytate1657 actually I did the math and 5 ounces gives you about 12-15mg if I can remember correctly. That's all that's needed according to the studies
only positive effect it had on me is i stopped pressing snooze every morning until im late for work. I just get out of bed without issues.. lol .. it also gives me a wierd feeling in my eyes .. feels like they will pop out .. and my hands are shaking .. Heart is beating alot harder when working out, but pulse is the same.. I think it will cause some bad shit in the long run, so I quit and tossed it in the bin. Only used 200mg a day for 4 days..
Problem with reviews and anecdotal evidence a lot of the people could be beginner and intermediate body builders so naturally they were making gains beforehand anyway and will continue to do so with or without ecdysterone. Plus the fact that they were looking into buying a plant steroid is a sign of a turning point in their training motivation. Very likely they improved other areas of their training at that point to increase muscle mass.So you are left with a confused mixed of variables what could of helped the individuals get gains.You really need to get reviews from people that reached a plateau for a few months then only take the Ecdysterone.
Just get it from quinoa. Why is everybodys first thought "which supplement pill can I take?" Instead of: "how can I get it from natural food". So stupid
