Not understood by most, but prednisone is one of the stronger drugs endurance athletes take. Spares glycogen as it burns fat at higher workload intensity than normal. The insanely lean cyclists you see are often using it or some other sort of cortico. Prednisone is best reserved for day-of A-level competitions ONLY and even then can be highly addictive because it works really really well and it's easy to start using it for B-level competitions, then key workouts, then everyday. Best of luck to you Ryan and appreciate you putting yourself in a vulnerable position publicly so often. You're a good dude and we're all rooting for you.
Glad you are aware that there are some serious long term side effects of Prednisone when it is taken chronically or repeatedly often. For those listening to the early part of this video and sort of heard the "steroid" word... Prednisone is anti-inflammatory steroid, not an anabolic, tho if you take it long enough you will gain water and increased fatty tissue in different areas. Hope you start feeling better!
Hey Ryan, take it real slow with tapering Prednisone, Reduce it a littlebit then wait for your body to catch up, then reduce it a little bit more. I have tapered down from a higher dose a few years ago and I literally nearly died. By the way you can also microdose Prednisone (
Get enough sleep, avoid stress, train hard, and eat lots of healthy food rich on saturated and unsaturated fats. Avoid caffeine and alcohol. Consider longer taper, you don´t have to stop at 2mg. Listen to your body. Best of luck, Blue.
Dude with all the surgeries I had after being hurt overseas while in the Army..... the Dept. VET Affairs supplied me with years if opiate pain relief.... high power shit. And one day I had to go with out pain meds for a few days before seeing my Dr's and felt like phenomenal, desperate, horrible SHIT. the worst kind of feeling imaginable. I learned that morning what Accute Opioid Withdrawal was and how far I had traveled down a dangerous and miserable road. Took me a long time to get thru that. Don't Play with pharmaceuticals if at all avoidable. Good luck brotha.
@@LiberalsReadmyBio I was meaning like a GREAT AMOUNT OF SHIT......Deathly would have been a better choice of word. Cause in that level of desperation death actually was considered an option..... I dont have to tell those who know, and those who know.....KNOW, stay strong brethren.
Good evening bud hope all is well and hope you get better and best of luck my friend sending lots of love and prayers on your journey and I no all about withdrawals I been clean from pain pills for 3 years now
Another risk of prednisone long term is a greater risk of osteoporosis, and tendinious and cartilage degeneration (and necrosis), which can lead to even worse tissue health.
If your doctor prescribed Prednisone without giving you instructions on tapering off, you need to find another doctor. This is the number one instruction doctors know about. It is downright dangerous to stop taking it without tapering off.
Very interesting. Yeah Prednisone was prescribed for my RSI. Within a few days the pain was gone, reducing inflammation. I was lucky not to have any nausea Blue, but I did notice being extremely tired...hence gorging on confectionery to raise my blood sugar level.
Yes prednisone taking a pain of very quickly, but also side effect can occurs just one days after you taking ,,my first side effect was my sugar level was high even I m become type 2 ,, then thyroid,liver, and effected my heart ,, as well ,,,
Interesting. Never knew prednisone came with that little bonus. That’s a drag a Blue, can you sleep? Can somewhat relate. Was on the infamous F-patch for 12 years for a chronic back problem related to lifting and an earlier back job in ‘91. Did a two month taper at home and after that a second incision and a four bolt lower lumbar courtesy of a three-fingered doc (who was on the team that did Superman’s neck…a long, long time ago). Good thing the drill didn’t slip :). The withdraw experience was, uh, unsettling to say the least. Fookin’ A, was not prepared for that, but all’s well that ends well:). Never again, that’s for sure. These days it’s herb for residual nerve pain, nothing else. The positive in all that was this. The downtime led to the discovery of arm wrestling RU-vidrs :). Larratt, some others and you got me through many sleepless nights:). Restless legs were a real son of a bitch.
Glad to hear you're on top of it, and great idea to take high doses of vitamin C -- that stuff can really do wonders in healing the body where needed. Best form is sodium ascorbate (can get 125g packets at most health food shops like Wholelife) -- but if you plan on taking it consistently as a general supplement or preventative, you're better of ordering online in bulk. You can take as much as 1g per KG of bodyweight if treating some serious ailment -- if you get the runs then just lower dose. Also best to sip it in diluted water over the course of a day as opposed to drinking too much in one go. 👍💪
I could go on for hours about pharmaceuticals. I've had too much experience with pills for sure. pretty lucky to be alive. Without rambling, my advice is to taper for longer in smaller increments. Also just get into supplementation more in general. most of us are bad and stubborn about Changing our lives to be optimal but luckily with lots of things you can supplement. just keep learning about health. Good luck 🤞
Glad to see you facing ut head on Ryan. But just a tip -- if you use painkillers you become more sensitive to pain without. Same for anti-inflammatory like prednisone or ibuprofen. Your body will adjust to the meds n stop working, and without you will suffer way more inflammation. Try to avoid at all fost, or avoid using more than 2 days in a row, with a week off in between.
Prednisone is something you must taper down slowly. I have been on it on and off since 1996 for Crohns disease and ITP. When you taper it down slow and long term you doesn't notice any withdrawal.
I am going through severe prednisone wd, doctor didnt tell me how potent it was and what he was giving to me ... i feel so betrayed by medical community
@@ryanbluebowen thank you, its been already 9 days - I wanna stick through CT withdrawal , since upper back pain dropped this morning ... I will start my exercises ... what about special food to help body recover? thanks again for prompt reply- it means a lot to me
Nice video again Ryan....Honest stuff we all like...My recommendation for what its worth is to keep taking a few ibuprofen tablets when you need them.. Nothing else and as you know even ibuprofen long term can have its own side effects...I feel for you because i have a lot of inflamation as well but im 65 yrs old. Get appropriate rest periods where you dont train at all especially now that you are starting a serious fundamental strength routine which will run you down as well......REST is important
As a medical doctor I will throw in a few words here. It is also concerning that the GP who prescribed this for you, did not discuss a tapering strategy with you. Use of corticosteroids is associated with numerous side effects and is one of the most common cause of adrenal insufficiency, which can have serious adverse outcomes. Without a normal corticosteroid production, your blood pressure, electrolytes and glucose homeostasis is severely disturbed. You could all of a sudden faint in the shower, without too much warning. Neither the dose, duration and form of administration can predict this outcome, but generally three weeks of 20 mg Presnisone daily would warrant tapering. In practice, tapering should probably be done after a week of its administration, meanwhile monitoring for no specific symptoms. Please take care, and respect this class of drugs, because it’s side effect profile is significant. Longer-term, it also would be detrimental to your physical performance, being a catabolic hormone. Stay safe.
I have been on prendisone for over a year now was on 60mg to start with now down to 2mg but the side affects are affecting me extremely and my ability to do normal day to day things the joint pains, muscles pains fatigue etc is taking over my life
@@maseskilling4732I can relate to taking 60mg a day for weeks before I start tapering and that’s only after my Dr gave me permission after my lab results showed improvement. I would get sick around 5mg or 10mg daily for my Lupus Nephritis. I’ve been on and off since 2001. I recall taking 120mg for a couple weeks when I first got diagnosed and I was only 12yrs old.
@@maseskilling4732 From what I have learned, when you get to 2mm you still have weeks of tapering. It's not the off ramp you have been working to. You have to do the math... never taper more than 20%. I'm trying to go from 2 x 20mg /day to 20mg/day. 15 to 18% per reduction. No fun.
Ryan, 2 mg should NOT be the last step in your taper. Whoever advised that is ignorant! You should go down in 1/2 mg increments at this point. I am highly experienced in this area and have been hired by many athletes to help with this issue. Here is what you should do... Week #1: 1.5 mg/day Week #2: 1 mg/day Week #3: .5 mg/day Week #4: .25 mg/day Done.
I know nothing about prednisone and was gonna comment the same thing however he wasn't on it long , it may be better to just cut the chord at that point?
@@ryanbluebowen Good. The fact that you still feel terrible is proof that your adrenal system hasn't recovered adequately enough to function on its own. With that said, could you stop your taper right now? Sure...if you want to feel horrible for weeks, not be able to train properly, and adversely affect your ability to perform in your upcoming match. With a proper taper, you shouldn't feel terrible when you go off. At worst, there should be mild (MILD) discomfort for a few weeks, as your adrenal system finishes recovering. In some cases there can be long-term damage, which can lengthen the recovery period, but all cases should be individualized in order to ensure the easiest transition possible. Unfortunately, the medical establishment often follows set guidelines at the expense of the patient. From the doctor's perspective, if you aren't going to die or end up in the E.R. upon discontinuation, then it's time to end the taper. The bottom line is that suffering just isn't necessary and in your case, potentially detrimental to your career. It's one thing to lose a match when we've done all we can, but it's an entirely different thing to lose because we weren't able to prep properly. After you see your doc and he agrees to extend the taper for both health AND career reasons, you'll be back to feeling better within hours.
I went on prednisone following a multi system inflammatory reaction to vaccine - what I call "richtermortis" - couldn't dress myself. I was able through spartan diet to get to 5mg /day then had a flare up and can't seem to get down from 8.25 - 9mg. I'd love to find someone who can guide me through withdrawing. The likely side effects and
Take a high quality pro biotic as well. Prednisone suppresses the immune system which eventually destroys your gut biome and can cause all kinds of autoimmune issues. Also take a quality vitamin D supplement, prednisone will also weaken your bones.
My problem is having severe emphysema which stops me cold with any exercise. I haven't found any answers. I hope to someday. I'm glad you got off of it. It's not worth it. Peace
Prednisone can cause vision problems at various times it can just flare up. I've had 4 back surgeries and been addicted to Painkillers for decades. Just got clean 2 years ago.
You sure have the character strenght to stay off that crap . You might see an improvement to your connective tissues over a few months of being off ... thats more gains..especially in AW! Stay strong & safe .
Prednisone prescribed for me for Myasthenia Gravis, for over a decade, has caused my adrenal glands to stop producing cortisol. Now I'm steroid dependent for life. 😢 Humans cannot live without cortisol, and prednisone only lasts 24 hours. I have to go to the hospital if i ever go without my prednisone more than 24 hours. 😔 It appears to now be causing a steroid myopathy which causes terrible weakness, and it's progressive. Now, im between a rock and a hard place. Too much prednisone for too long destroys the body eventually. Not enough, with my conditions, can kill you with adrenal crisis. I need to taper as much as I can very very slowly. I still will never get below 10mg which is my dream dose. I pray i can get there. Btw, im so glad you took that prednisone that day because seriously you could've gone into adrenal crisis which has a high mortality rate. Glad you're doing well now. Yours is a story with a happy ending wtg and thanks for sharing! 😊
@@conkaa300 why is it “actually” humans shouldnt consume fish oil? There’s clearly research out there that proves its benefit. Maybe not against inflammation but certainly for preventing heart diseases
I’ve been on it a few times for my back, hated it, now I just work out and take fish oil, beat my last back injury in 36-48 hours when I’d usually be down for minimum of a week
RU-vid algorithm boosting comment 💪 ... Wow, never knew that could be that much of an issue coming off of that. I was prescribed celebrex once, for my back. I only took it for a week. I'm always worried about side effects.
HI Ryan you obviously dont know me but I used to be A respiratory therapist, so I know this drug well and I have had 4 lower back surgeries and use it myself for short periods of time 2 or 3 times a year and yes it is a wonder drug but should not be taken long term. i adjusted my nutrition to greatly reduce my overall body imflamation. im not a doctor but 2-3 week on is max cause long term side effects can be serious, and if you dose correctly when you taper off there should be very minimal side effects. . again Im not a doctor just some friendly ideas, that you should look at everything else your doing that is keeping your inflamation high and adjust those....on another note best a luck on your next match, Kick his A LOL take care.
It sounds like the flat feeling can last for months or more due to damaged adrenal glands. I am glad my mother brought me up with a healthy scepticism of pain relief. Now I know why.
I've been on 4 cycles of prednisone in last year to help with chronic colitis the side effects are not pretty. I've always been on a reducing dose 40mg for a week then 35 for a week and so on down to just 5mg a week to avoid a possible adrenal crash if coming off all at once.
I am so sorry that I only see the video now. DHEA help to assist again with cortisol production. I am on Prednisone for 35 years and will tempt to start tapering it down from this week. My doctor is more nervous than me. Trust you fine now.
Prednisone is amazing for when you throw your back out. At least for me. You just need to realize that you can’t take it forever. Anything done in excess has an effect and it can hurt you.
I was on 60mg for 9 months and spent 2 years tapering. I followed my Neurologist’s exact schedule for the taper. It was miserable. I felt terrible every day physically and emotionally and it took 3-4 years to recover. Previously I had been in good health. I was not prepared and had no alternative treatment for my condition. Worst thing I’ve ever experienced.
I like you have to cope with a long-term injury (multiple pelvis fracture / spinal injury and muscle paralysis) After the accident I was wheelchair bound for many months and told I may not walk again. I cannot stress enough the importance of DIET. I would not have believed the difference in pain control when I began controlling my intake of inflammatory foods, mostly Carb's and sugar based and in particular seed and veg oils. It has quite literally changed my life andI now take ZERO drugs after years of dependency on painkillers and anti-inflammatory meds. So much of our modern diet is highly inflammatory to the system ... do the research for yourself if you don't believe me.
That doctor was completely irresponsible. In extreme cases, prednisone withdrawal can cause death. Perednisone will also KILL muscle gains, as prednisone is catabolic. It directly causes muscle breakdown...and the more you take, the worse it is. It also causes damage to the adrenal system. Chronic NSAID use is also extremely damaging to muscle gains and kidney function.
I'm surprised you were able to build your tendons so well with all the anti inflammatory drugs. I read that they have a negative effect on tendon recovery and have avoided them like the plague since I started arm wrestling training
I took a 5 day round of it for bronchitis. On the 6th day, I believe I had withdrawal. I had an all-day headache and a feeling akin to nausea. But a darker feeling than normal nausea. I find an antibiotic better clears up my bronchitis, but prescribers ignore my past experience.
Hi Ryan just like to give you advice , about the prednisone, I m on this medication nearly 3 years started with 65 mg. I had a blood sugar problem ,thyroid,liver problem ,, even I get heart enlargement,because effected my heart rate ,from 63 went to 120 ,,, lots of chest pain ,luckily they started give me a lover dose ,, took nearly a year go down for a 5 mg ,, So that medication is a killing medication ,, Instead about taking prednisone try to take vitamin K2 and D3 together it’s doing exactly a same as prednisone,without side effect ,,, wishing you good luck ,and be better 😊
@@bkern123456 sounds good! Tylenol is a pretty great option to add in-between Meloxicam, it's supposedly a lot healthier option than Ibuprofen and other stuff. It might not be as potent, but you can take it up to 3 times a day, if needed - no problem at all, if it's a 500mg tablets. Btw, how often do you use Meloxicam and for how long? I'm not too sure about the tolerable usage duration, how much is too much basically? I would really appreciate the input on this. The optimal dosage is 7.5 mg in most cases, although sometimes it can be bumped up to 15 mg, it all depends on how severe the inflammation, I suppose.
@@Paul_Strength I have been taking 15mg Meloxicam once daily for the last 9 months with no negative effects. I was prescribed it for knee and lower back pain, but it also helps a ton with my elbows when I’m pulling. I’ve got a buddy that’s been taking 15mg twice a day for years, so his doctor is evidently comfortable with the high dosage. As long as your blood work is fine, I see no reason to worry. I don’t plan on taking it daily for much longer, but I’ll definitely keep the prescription going to have on hand just in case.
@@bkern123456 wow, thank you for sharing your experience! Sounds like it can be used a lot longer than I thought. It is one of the best anti-inflammatory drugs with the best side effects to potency ratio out there for a reason. I was looking for some options, trying to find the best alternatives and it looks like nothing beats Meloxicam. Totally blows ibuprofen out of the water.
My mother is currently on this medication with her autoimmune disease. After a month of 40g a day she is beyond depressed, hypnosis and is talking about just wanting to die.
Effects your adrenal glands function when you stop using it. could be 1 week or more recovery time. I think finding a replacement so your comfortable will be more of an issue than the effects at this point.
Hey Ryan, i hope your health is doing great. I have some suggestions for natural anti-inflammatory remedies which ive had personal success with and are known to be benevolent for longer term use. If you're interested in hearing, please let me know.
I had to take it once for gout and after stopping I became really angry one day...the smallest things would drive me nuts. Stuff works well but is nasty.
Ryan I highly recommend avoid any pain killers for inflammation, go on an anti inflammatory diet, take HIGH anti oxi foods, like ginger, turmeric, green tea, berries, and seriously. Medical marijuana is EXTREMELY anti inflammatory and it won’t harm your liver/kidneys etc. a lot of ex athletes swear by weed for pain management compared to pharma pain killers.
Been on predisolone for almost a year and I am going through a very very slow tapering down period. But even though it is slow, I have withdrawal as all hell. I am in so much pain at the moment and it sucks, but I have to trust in the process and my body. My natural levels will come back up eventually.
You'll get through it. I ended up back on a proper weening cycle over a month and thst helped. When the withdrawals kick in, hit some vigorous resistance training....it certainly helped me.
@@ryanbluebowen thanks bro. Taking a break from heavy armwrestling practice butik withrawal is gone. Will go to the gym now and do some light training instead. What is your stance on armwrestling with inflammatory auto immune issues? Do you believe in not giving up and fighting for your dreams, or is it just naive and stupid?
john brzenk trains a few times in 6 a 8 weeks period. most people are addicted to constant pressure on their system. result is injury or less results. look farmers, people from construction work natural strong as hell. when you feel healthy you can do any fitness test in decent scores. Military has a test for people straight outta school. And from their they build an extra 10% a 20% score coming into the fittest of army. The differences aren't that big without training. If you want to feel sore and beat up you can find a ton of things.
It fucked me up, couldn’t sleep for days and lost all of my natural muscle. I went from deadlifting 500 pounds (3x body weight) to barely being able to do a single push up
can you stop taking methylprednisolone tablets after day 3 suddenly without tapering? (full 6 days was the original plan) because I'm seeing bolts of bright light in peripheral vision)? Looked this up and it said this steroid can cause glaucoma and cataracts. ugh
Missed the drop zone whole jumping a non steerable canopy, so just had to land wherever the wind took me. Landed on sloping ground in somewhat of a ditch in a farmers paddock and thr l4/l5 disc tore. Massive pain immediately, thought I'd broke my back.
@@rodbelding9478 - If not for pharmaceutical companies we would still be in the Stone Age medicine wise. Of course they are for profit, but I challenge you to get and STD that requires antibiotics and refuse to take them.
@@kingwillie206 I never suggested all modern medicine was bad. I pointed out that Pharmaceutical Companies main agenda is gaining customers, and that’s obviously not a good thing…
@@rodbelding9478 - True, and I am simply recognizing that both sides are simultaneously true. I personally don’t believe medication should be included in capitalism for obvious reasons.
@@ryanbluebowen I believe you. That is about how long it took to get my back to stop hurting I hang on the pull up bar every morning for 30 seconds also used to sit up straight for over a hour at a time that helps alot
I don't know what's going on with you buddy but I've had to be on that stuff plenty of times in my life obviously because of bad injuries it was from car wrecks and had nothing to do with arm wrestling. But maybe your doctor should give you a taper down what they do to me and I've never had any kind of do withdrawal symptoms from prednisone ever. I took it for the same reason obviously inflammation 9 months ago I literally had the same blown disc or ripped disc that you had with your parachute jump. I think this was my 8th or 9th Time I've had a blown disc anyways talk to your doctor about a taper down and I'll start real high at 25 mg or whatever and go down 5 mg every day or whatever it is until the last day is only like 4 mg that seems to be the best way because I haven't ever had any withdrawals or anything and prednisone and I've had it many times from other meds so maybe the taper down is the way to go. Just some free advice from somebody that's been through a lot of s***. Good luck in your next match buddy take care.
I’m sorry big guy, no matter how hard you try, this guy is way bigger and stronger especially now your old and have to take medication. Back out of this match.
'Medicine'/drugs are not to be taken lightly. I am afraid that all this pain relief you guys are automatically take for matches is harmful. I really hope your honesty will help others be more aware of the dangers of adding chemicals to their bodies. It is basically addiction. Yes, I've heard vitamin C is good for withdrawal. Stick with it. (I am a friend of relapsed opioid addict).
Mang you guys why do yous rely on meds for pain. Anyway, get sun (for various UV spectrum light, Vitamin D) and Cod Liver Oil (teaspoon a day) or Sardines (Vitamin D, Omega 3 (DHA, EPA) These are all anti-inflammatory. And natural, theyre not going to affect organs negatively. Vitamin D is also a hormone which helps with Calcium absorption for one thing. Think bone health.
I just watched something about that stuff it says it's the devil's drug lol I thought smack was the devil's drug anyway it doesn't sound good then guy was saying it ruined his stamina n stuff
Hey dude...I have been on that shit for 25 years because of a rare and serious allergy....Iam allergic to myself :( ...the doctors couldt not find a medicine that could controle my allergy before now for 6 month ago....prednisone have compleatly destroyed my body...I have 25% less bone marrow....my teeth are destroyed...and many many other bad side effects and problems......very strange that your doctor did not tell you that you needed to tap down this medicine VERY slowly......Prednisone should ONLY be taken in a short period and ONLY if there is no other medicine that can fix the problem......today I have to inject myself 2 times every month with one medicine and every day with another....just to try to fix my body damage after 25 years of use of prednisone.....price tag for that is more than 1000 us dollars every month.....lucky for me Iam living in Norway and the health care system pays......If I was not living in a place with that kind of help I would have been in a wheelchair in few years due to prednisone....so keep away from that medicine if possible...
