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Ecler Eternal magnetic fader teardown 

TheRasteri
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Reverse-engineering an interesting fader that uses two split transformers to sense the position of the wiper.
The Eternal was used in the Hak 360 series of mixers.
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@joeteejoetee
@joeteejoetee Месяц назад
@5:44 Actually the square wave is filtered by the resonance of L101 (68uH) and C104 (10nF) thusly filtered into a Sine-Wave, which is then Amplified by Op-Amp IC104 and fed into the Inductor. Thank you very much for the schematic! Liked and subscribed FOR SURE!!!
@anttiskate
@anttiskate 3 года назад
Thank you! I've owned a HAK 360 on two occasions (still own one, but with an Innofader), but never looked at the insides of an Eternal. They barely needed any maintenance, ever.
@peepopalaber
@peepopalaber 3 года назад
I never expected that some faders are so special and excellent engineered. Great video!
@williamsilver8322
@williamsilver8322 3 года назад
Absolutely fantastic video! Your videos are outstanding! I love these deep dives into DJ tech!
@djmarzek
@djmarzek 11 месяцев назад
pure knowledge! thanks !
@OmarNachtraaf
@OmarNachtraaf 2 года назад
Amazing video. Thanks for the teardown!
@BobscratchTurntablist
@BobscratchTurntablist Год назад
excellent video.
@segfault-berlin
@segfault-berlin 3 года назад
Can we get a link to the manual? I would love to get a closer look at that schematic
@moreteribeiro5079
@moreteribeiro5079 2 года назад
É possível fabricar em casa?
@gabrielvachon3205
@gabrielvachon3205 9 месяцев назад
Mine stopped working, cant figure out why. Channel faders and eqs are working. Crossfader seems just bypassed 😢
@SiHargreaves
@SiHargreaves 2 года назад
Hey Andy. I just resurrected my Ecler HAK 360 that I inherited off my late friend Soren. I absolutely love the fader and mixer in general but I'm getting weird crackling, distortion and left channel dropouts and all sorts of weirdness. Was wondering if you had any ideas what was causing this? I took out the fader and gave everything a good clean but it's still happening. Cheers bruv
@TheRasteri
@TheRasteri 2 года назад
could be anything mate - it needs gone over with an oscilloscope. Take it to a repair shop
@OMNI_INFINITY
@OMNI_INFINITY 11 месяцев назад
Woah. So a multi-layer PCB transformer?
@Arti9m
@Arti9m 3 года назад
What happens if you put or move a strong magnet near such fader?
@zaprodk
@zaprodk Год назад
It wouldn't interfere with the high frequency signal in the coils, but a strong permanent magnetic field could saturate the inductor/transformer, blocking power transfer.
@tmsk4life
@tmsk4life Год назад
Hi. I'm trying to find an L101 inductor 68 uH 0.13A that is located in left upper corner of pcb. Can you tell what original part is?
@TheRasteri
@TheRasteri Год назад
no idea, but any other 68uH inductor would probably work, as long as max current is more than 0.13A you're fine
@baronvongreenback
@baronvongreenback 3 года назад
"Actually, that gives me an idea"
@postvmvs
@postvmvs 3 года назад
The mechanism reminds me of an LVDT.
@deaddreamer66
@deaddreamer66 3 года назад
😲wow!
@spud4242
@spud4242 3 года назад
isnt the metal in the carlsberg can aluminium too?
@TheRasteri
@TheRasteri 3 года назад
Actually yes, the original plan was to use a Fray Bentos pie tin but it didn't fit between the circuit boards :(
@superducker7899
@superducker7899 2 года назад
Does anyone out there find this fader repeatedly gets sticky from the glue holding the metal squares in place?? I'm CONSTANTLY having to open her up and scrub between these boards with alcohol, wiping away the yellowy sticky residue that seems to just appear. The metal slider is touching one of these boards as it moves back and forth (there is a mm or so of vertical play if you move the fader cap up and down, and it will touch the board), but that only seems to matter if there is a build up of glue, so if it gets sticky (usually after a few days of heavy use) i'll open it up and there will be glue on the slider plate too. (should i be adding red deoxit to reduce friction here or not?) Also, the glue holding the slider plate to the plastic slider has failed so now I'm periodically glueing that back on too.... I had the fader a little under a year before i started to have issues. :( I can see one comment here saying they barely ever need maintenance but that is the opposite of my experience. I'm genuinely gutted as i can't afford to replace rn and i just want to practice!!!!! Respect to @TheRasteri for the amazing video, i can't find much else out there so any comments would be greatly appreciated!!!! ✌️
@TheRasteri
@TheRasteri 2 года назад
The metal wiper isn't meant to touch the boards... maybe try very gently bending it
@superducker7899
@superducker7899 2 года назад
@@TheRasteri Hmmm, aye, but it has a wobble which means even if it's perfectly central, it will still touch them if i wobble the fader cap. Which obviously i do whilst cutting. Maybe the two bars which hold the slider are loose then? Thanks for suggestion tho dude very much appreciated. If anything else comes to you lmk! 👌
@TheRasteri
@TheRasteri 2 года назад
@@superducker7899 yeah that sounds like a loose slider - at least on the eternal I tried, it was moving without touching either circuit board
@OMNI_INFINITY
@OMNI_INFINITY 11 месяцев назад
I imagine a fader based on magnetism can be made an easier way. For example, using hall effect sensors at both ends.
@TheRasteri
@TheRasteri 11 месяцев назад
Yeah that's how the rane faders work
@OMNI_INFINITY
@OMNI_INFINITY 11 месяцев назад
Ah. Alright. By the way, how did the capacitance measurement data transmission on those spinning discs for those mini-portablist products without a slip ring?@@TheRasteri
@TheRasteri
@TheRasteri 11 месяцев назад
@@OMNI_INFINITY because you only need one conductor for a capacitive sensor, you don't need a slipring - the bearing itself conducts well enough to work
@OMNI_INFINITY
@OMNI_INFINITY 11 месяцев назад
Cool. Haha. Hadn't wondered until tonight when thought about it. So literally using the bearing as a circuit. Nicely done. Engineering salute for that! Actually used some mochi (was residing in japan) for a cap button before. LOL. @@TheRasteri
@anks888
@anks888 3 года назад
if it was magnetic it would be attracted to the magnetic force of the transformer I would assume
@youlio5523
@youlio5523 3 года назад
Can i pay you to create a device for me?.i have a idea for a device that i want to become a reality
@AlexKamenski
@AlexKamenski Год назад
Aluminium does not corrode easily, cheap and easy to manufacture.
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