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ECU Chip Tune - Ignition Timing - Increase Horsepower 

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How to increase horsepower through ignition timing. How does ignition timing affect horsepower? Should an engine advance or retard timing to increase horsepower? This video explains the logic behind ignition timing tuning.
NOTE: "Knock occurs when the peak of the combustion process no longer occurs at the optimum moment for the four-stroke cycle." ~ Wikipedia. What happens when the timing is too advanced is the maximum pressure occurs before TDC, which pushes down on the piston when it is still coming up. This is what you are attempting to avoid when advancing timing.
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@VoraciousPhantasma
@VoraciousPhantasma 9 лет назад
One thing I found out when looking into timing experiments for my Miata, the higher octane gas you're running, the less likely you are to have knock at higher timing degrees. For instance, my little 1.6L engine will knock if it's running on 87 with the timing advanced from 10 to 12 degrees BTDC, but if I run 93 octane, I can advance the timing all the way to 18 degrees before it starts to knock. Just thought I'd add that.
@johnathonvandurme702
@johnathonvandurme702 7 лет назад
Yes, thanks to one of the fathers of engines, Sir Harry Ricardo.
@oldfashionedwrx3574
@oldfashionedwrx3574 7 лет назад
VoraciousPhantasma that's because octane is the measure of resistance to knock. if you use higher octane fuels you can run more parameters to generate power before you reach the knock threshold.
@ryanlee112
@ryanlee112 7 лет назад
thats because the octane of gas is the resistance to knock. e85 has around a 113 octane thats why people can make more power with it
@Bassix92
@Bassix92 7 лет назад
Jared Tate I thought octane was resistance to detonation/pre-detonation, requiring a higher flash point with higher octane ratings thus ensuring that combustion won't happen simply from the pressure and/or heat that occurs from internal combustion (unless it's diesel which runs off compression once started) but from the actual spark plugs, which in turn allows for more aggressive and advanced timing and tuning setups. That allows a bigger safety buffer against knock the higher the octane used because it's rated to not combust earlier than desired. that's what I was taught growing up and why I always run at least 91 just for the added peace of mind and it actually increases gas milage because it burns more efficiently and the ECU (stock or not) picks that up and adjusts the AF ratio accordingly
@tonytober
@tonytober 6 лет назад
We refer "knock" to the sound that detonation/pinging does when the engine is running. We're all talking about the same thing here, so you're right.
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Very welcome, glad you enjoy the videos!
@germanmarinosci547
@germanmarinosci547 9 лет назад
Hi man, I am writing from Argentina. I just want to congrat for your so good videos. I am also and engineer and this is the best information I have found up to know to learn about tuning my ECU. Thanks! Leonardo (civic SI 2008)
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Start with the basics if you're new. My channel allows for that. Go to my second list of playlists which says "Learn how cars work" and start with the first playlist, working your way through. I've ordered it so you shouldn't find yourself confused. If you do, simply ask! :)
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Awesome, thanks for watching!
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
The delay for anti-lag isn't to increase horsepower, it's to increase the amount of exhaust gas temporarily in order to maintain boost, allowing for more pressure in the exhaust manifold rather than in the cylinder.
@MrRoyalestCrown
@MrRoyalestCrown 11 лет назад
I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to explain these things, which probably take many tries to get it all in one take, and the drawings that you put on the board. I know that this is not a significant financial gain for you, rather a little 'favor' you go through to pass the time. Thank you!
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Perhaps I used the wrong terminology, but hear me out. "Knock occurs when the peak of the combustion process no longer occurs at the optimum moment for the four-stroke cycle." What happens when the timing is too advanced, is the maximum pressure occurs before TDC, which pushes down on the piston when it is still coming up. This is what you are attempting to avoid. Wiki calls this knock, though perhaps incorrectly. Regardless, the principle holds true. This is NOT pre-ignition.
@murhafsukkar9555
@murhafsukkar9555 5 лет назад
I’ve never seen a better informative explanation about timing than this video. Thank you
@hugonubario
@hugonubario 10 лет назад
I learned more about mecanic on your page than the garage I used to work! thanks a lot!
@micmicbeats2244
@micmicbeats2244 4 года назад
Why do i have jeff cavaliere vibes with this boy great explaination tho💪
@nuclearwinter21
@nuclearwinter21 3 года назад
Maybe it's because Jeff and Jason speak in a short range of tones? 😅
@joecobra48
@joecobra48 3 года назад
Lol he was 24
@adamsisneros8307
@adamsisneros8307 3 года назад
jeff cavaliere of cars
@nathan2friendly887
@nathan2friendly887 3 года назад
This man is over 45 years old
@TheAdatto
@TheAdatto 3 года назад
Because he doesn't copy and knows his Shi4t
@compactc9
@compactc9 6 лет назад
This video does an excellent job of explaining why computer controlled timing made such a difference in engine performance. I'd also say distributors ignition lets the computer control the timing even more precisely, which I'd imagine is better.
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
It can be as complex as you desire. You could absolutey change the timing characteristics (as well as others) depending on the position of the gas pedal, as well as other factors like RPM, etc. Older cars are a bit more static, but I would imagine hardly any new cars don't have more dynamic programming.
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Nope, check out my other video "ECU chip tune" that goes over other parameters that can be altered.
@BMWE90HQ
@BMWE90HQ 7 лет назад
I wish your channel had been around when I was 18 I'd have gone to school for engineering not finance lol
@nuclearwinter21
@nuclearwinter21 3 года назад
But, hey! You survived the finance course. Good one! 😹👍
@automotivetv9861
@automotivetv9861 3 года назад
Yea I love cars but I wish I would have gone into finance as oppose to engineering..
@AiePro26
@AiePro26 2 года назад
@@automotivetv9861 Why? What makes you say that?
@automotivetv9861
@automotivetv9861 2 года назад
@@AiePro26 i graduated civil engineering 4 years ago and been jobless since
@raulbustamante8337
@raulbustamante8337 3 года назад
Can't believe I've been watching this channel for years now, and in this old video I realized I was not subscribed. Have another sub young Jason, imagine I've been always here... bc I have.
@lucascoebergh
@lucascoebergh 11 лет назад
We watched your video today with the entire crew and we think that you will get there in the end! you are on the right track!
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Not too often but that will likely change. Just a couple videos now - replacing the distributor, replacing the thermostat, and strut bars installed.
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Yeah, it's on the to-do list. With exhaust systems, and hybrids. And a bunch of other stuff haha. I'll get there!
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 10 лет назад
It can be variable, especially when you have distributorless engines with individual coils for each plug.
@deadpoet415
@deadpoet415 8 лет назад
As usual, you've made another great video! I was considering getting an ECU chip tune, but didn't realize how this could affect the engine in the long term. I want horsepower, but I also want my car to last for years and years, decades and decades. Thank you.
@WhyteLis21
@WhyteLis21 8 лет назад
if your going to do an ecu turning, you should replace stronger internal parts first like pistons, cams, rods, valves etc bc your making the engine work harder causing premature engine wear out. this y racing engine are designed differently from standard factory engine.
@kensmechanicalaffair
@kensmechanicalaffair Год назад
Shouldn't this guy have a RU-vid award by now? It's been years.
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
If it's electronically controlled it's not going to change the timing unless something tells it that it needs to. For example, if it knew that the mixture was going to knock, it may alter the timing (or air/fuel) and try to compensate and eliminate the knock. Not sure what to tell you, check for engine codes and see if it spits anything out. Most auto parts stores will read it for free.
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Ignition may occur before TDC, but you want the maximum force created (by the expansion of the igniting air/fuel mixture) to occur once the piston is moving down.
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
I will have a video on cams, yep!
@DoctorDARKSIDE
@DoctorDARKSIDE 11 лет назад
Oh I didn't know that!!! Definitely gonna check it out... Thanks for your time here man... Respect!
@bernie6355
@bernie6355 8 лет назад
I have been studying engines for years and you are right on the money on this video
@gigihuang989
@gigihuang989 11 лет назад
Oh! I see, so the delay of ignition timing helps the inlet turbocharger intake more air with high pressure and tempt. Thankyou very much!! I am an international student studying in Virginia Tech for Mechanical engineering this fall, and I love to watch your video with notes taking for each of them. Keep going!!  I appreciate you pretty much!
@ricardojorgefilho4172
@ricardojorgefilho4172 5 лет назад
Some of the best content for car guys on youtube.
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
To prevent pre-ignition, but perhaps not knock. "Knock occurs when the peak of the combustion process no longer occurs at the optimum moment for the four-stroke cycle." What happens when the timing is too advanced, is the maximum pressure occurs before TDC, which pushes down on the piston when it is still coming up. This is what you are attempting to avoid. Wiki calls this knock, though perhaps incorrectly. Regardless, the principle holds true.
@DrR1pper
@DrR1pper 11 лет назад
Mate, your videos are just brilliant. Just wanted to let you know....keep up the awesome videos! I'm a 3rd year aerospace engineering student and i watch your videos quite a lot.
@rosharky
@rosharky 8 лет назад
Great videos! I would suggest you putting something into the room that will attenuate the reverberation.
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Sounds good to me!
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
To answer your question, yes, you can have gains by adjusting only the timing, while keeping everything else constant.
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Could you PM a link? I'm curious, thanks.
@ichabod72
@ichabod72 2 года назад
Great video - I'm about to upgrade my motorbike igniton advancer to a +4 . I know it improves things and now I understand a bit more about how the bike works - I'm normally a 'hop on and ride ' type of guy but am trying to improve my theoretical mechanical knoweldge with some success. Thanks.
@youmaster21
@youmaster21 10 лет назад
Hey man many thanks for your videos, you are an amazing teacher. Very good work, keep it up
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
It's because you can increase the boost simply with a tune with most modern turbocharged cars. That means you can easily increase the amount of air supplied to the engine, thus can use more fuel and create more power. With NA cars you can't really alter the amount of air that comes in, just the amount of fuel, without actually swapping components.
@tomassosaoconnor
@tomassosaoconnor 6 лет назад
I did this (without a dyno) to an VW kombi... just move the distributor and done Nice video!
@topostornottopost3371
@topostornottopost3371 6 лет назад
I don’t usually comment on videos but this video is so good I had too. Cheers for helping me understand pal
@Madds5150
@Madds5150 10 лет назад
In regards to the setting the timing back short of maximum HP/TQ to prevent knock, in most cases there are two ways to deal with it though one is more preferential IMO... Enrich the mixture to slow the burn of the flame front... or the better option of raise the octane rating of the fuel. To make maximum power in an engine you tune the ignition advance curve for HP/TQ then tune for fuel to allow that timing curve. Great video BTW!
@mikeferrante7341
@mikeferrante7341 11 лет назад
i cant stop watching your vids... so addicting! do you ever go under the hood or do you only deal with the concepts?
@qwertyword
@qwertyword 9 лет назад
Engineering Explained I love watching these videos! Could you please do an explanation on twin spark systems like what is found on some 2.3l Rangers, Newer Hemi engines, and dodge 4.7l? I'm sure other companies use it as well.
@ChroniclesofKToyoda
@ChroniclesofKToyoda 4 года назад
Twin spark systems are commonly just used on poorly designed (slow burning) combustion chambers. However it can be used to lower time to establish a sizable flame kernel more quickly, meaning less degrees of burning "B"efore TDC & more AF mix for burning "A"fter TDC, AKA, more fuel being used for power.
@manjulwalia1995
@manjulwalia1995 8 лет назад
where is the link for ignition timing that you talked about in this video ?
@TexasDraped
@TexasDraped 4 года назад
I have the same question
@UnTamedMustang
@UnTamedMustang 6 лет назад
*Idea for a video* N/A vs Forced induction ignition timing. Thank you :)
@supermarketsweeps
@supermarketsweeps 7 лет назад
i watch your video 2 years ago but didnt have a clue what you meant , after i had a mapping course and mapping my own cars , i now understand what you mean , it does depend on fuel you use at the time , air temp , move the timing till it starts to loss hp then back it off one hp , but you have to watch for knock limited engine as they may knock before max hp ,
@alvaskins
@alvaskins 11 лет назад
Thank you for your videos, they're really interesting.
@voltron979
@voltron979 7 лет назад
Well explain and informative video thought.., My respects to you man.
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Thanks!
@787brx8
@787brx8 4 года назад
What do you think of my anti-knock prototype? See A short video on my page.
@erfho8y
@erfho8y 8 лет назад
awsome vids bro! really good explanations :D
@dilysi156
@dilysi156 2 года назад
I removed my headgasket to obtain higher compression ratio. Thanks for all the good tips Jason ✌️
@pepeescobar1053
@pepeescobar1053 8 лет назад
Excellent brother, thanks for the information verry clear, Pepe from Peru
@20thcenturyfoxyoutube
@20thcenturyfoxyoutube Год назад
That was excellent. Now I have an understanding of how timing affects HP.
@nutrega7
@nutrega7 8 лет назад
Good video. very well explained. subscribed. thanks
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
The geometry of the cylinders; what shape they form. Example V6 vs I6.
@automirr
@automirr 8 лет назад
very useful information! thank you for sharing!
@pradeepkharel5102
@pradeepkharel5102 8 лет назад
thanks for making this so understandable. I'm quite interested about homemade engines. At my beginning i tried making Stirling engine and i succeed only after few weeks or may it took month because of lack of parts so i had to make them on my own. Now i m trying to make i c engine but unfortunately again suffering from lack of parts which here is not avilable in my country so i cant buy it. I dont have lathe too. before watching this i was like let it be, i cant but your presentation gave me hope for expect more. thanks again.
@mauriciogonzalez4747
@mauriciogonzalez4747 9 лет назад
Great video !!! Can you make some explaining the heel and toe technique? Greetings from Mexico !!
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
I'm not sure what you're asking? Make a 1.6L with as little HP as possible? It would likely be more efficient to make a smaller engine that meets the power you want to make, assuming it's small.
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Probably, but it'd likely need to be worked a bit to handle higher RPM.
@jeffburtonnottheracecardriver
@jeffburtonnottheracecardriver 8 лет назад
I love your stuff! Combined with the repair guys (Eric, Brian, Chris, Humble, Scotty) it's the perfect marriage of my science geek(former Physics major) and my gearhead!
@SlowCarsFastSFV
@SlowCarsFastSFV Год назад
Thx again for sharing your knowledge.
@justsaiyansteve
@justsaiyansteve 3 года назад
This is the best explanation of TDC in the world.
@odaynassra1
@odaynassra1 9 лет назад
Hey man first of all thank you for your awsome video , i was wondiring if you could explain what is knock correction also...i will be very thankful :)
@TheTremayne1
@TheTremayne1 11 лет назад
Dude your videos are awsome, but im a.. well just say im a engine noob. Im trying to learn, but your throwing sooo much information at me that i can barley understand everything, but GOOD information. Keep it up.
@tirolekubu8578
@tirolekubu8578 4 года назад
Thank you so much. Great explanation.
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
1 week from today!
@tudorsor91
@tudorsor91 4 года назад
Can you do a video where you explain different kinds of software tuning? Dyno, ecu flash, remap etc with pros and cons and various scenarious like daily drive, occasional drag and track day
@SpoonsPerformance
@SpoonsPerformance 5 лет назад
Great video best I’ve seen on here thanks
@DoctorDARKSIDE
@DoctorDARKSIDE 11 лет назад
Yes that makes sense, I didn't think that the two sparks actually may be delayed to better optimize the combustion. Thanks for your comment man!
@MariusVerbavicius
@MariusVerbavicius 9 лет назад
This could have a great title: How to know if your engine is retarded :D
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
That's not what I was intending to say. What I'm saying is detonation occurs at a time when the maximum pressure will be reached before the piston reach TDC (while it's still moving up). "Knock occurs when the peak of the combustion process no longer occurs at the optimum moment for the four-stroke cycle."
@GlycerinZ
@GlycerinZ 6 лет назад
Hello 2013 Jason! Videos good even back then
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Mmmkay. You may wish to check a source or two, and report on what you find. "Igniting the mixture before the piston reaches TDC will allow the mixture to fully burn soon after the piston reaches TDC."
@Nikko300bhp
@Nikko300bhp 11 лет назад
Mate, first of all, I'd like to thank you for your videos. I'm starting MEng Mech Engineering this fall and I would love to do an MSc Automotive Eng. course afterwards. I somewhat know the very basics of car mechanics but your videos cleared out a gray areas and taught me new things. Can you achieve power gains by ONLY adjusting the timing of an engine, while other ECU-controlled variables (eg A/F ratio) are kept the same? This would also translate into increased efficiency as well, right?
@Reverendopoa
@Reverendopoa 11 лет назад
Nice video, like your others! Congratulations!
@joelmammachen
@joelmammachen 5 лет назад
Started with a marker and white board. Last week he drove a McLaren 720S. I love you brother ❤️
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Now it's done without distributors, each spark plug has it's own coiled an they can be controlled completely electronically.
@svr27rr87
@svr27rr87 5 лет назад
Thanks u 4 this Awesome Video.. it will help me Fine tuning my passion ride engine's with all the other Prototype performance part's that i have designed & created & invented bass off my 4th grade science fair Project knowledge that took 2nd place in the whole state of Michigan that i been working on 4 a very long time. cause i am a performance engineer & awesome passion ride hero driver.
@yellowjoe.2000
@yellowjoe.2000 7 месяцев назад
Excellent video! thank you
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Rare sighting.
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Sure, check out my video "octane ratings - explained."
@robertmccully2792
@robertmccully2792 4 года назад
Best info so far.. Good job.
@plamenm1641
@plamenm1641 5 лет назад
Thanks, man! You are awesome!
@TrustNotta
@TrustNotta 7 лет назад
Great video. Nice job
@dakalshehab2057
@dakalshehab2057 7 лет назад
thanks bro .. really you are helping
@I2YANx
@I2YANx 11 лет назад
I love these videos :)
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Just before, actually. Because it won't instantly get to high pressures, it requires a little time to spread the flame.
@TheFender18
@TheFender18 10 лет назад
well explained !! easy to understand !
@gmodesike
@gmodesike 11 лет назад
this guy is excellent - he's wonderful
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Most of the time the spark will fire just before the power stroke (or the piston begins to move down).
@michaelogrady4435
@michaelogrady4435 10 лет назад
Not a bad video. There are some points you may want to add next time. Such at mbt, not all cars are knock limited and adding to much timing can actually cause a loss of power. And another good point would be to elaborate on how volumetric efficiency can effect timing and the knock threshold of the engine. Props on the vid you seem to have a rather well understanding of basic ignition tuning.
@latostewart900
@latostewart900 8 лет назад
thanks for the video on ignition . i have a honda civic with a R18 engine and i would like known if this same thing to increase its horse power
@nicolaslosito5735
@nicolaslosito5735 7 лет назад
lato stewart can be
@7515hello
@7515hello 10 лет назад
awesome video
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Perhaps, based on my chart, though mine is certainly not representative of all engines. If knock is fairly easy with a certain design, they will likely choose to be overly cautious with the timing.
@luisv5648
@luisv5648 11 лет назад
Hi! I have been watching your videos so I first of all I wanted to congratulate you! I wanted to ask you if you do know something about Hidrogen generation with cells, and up to which point is it a reliable way of generating extra power. I mean, would not it change the combustion temperature? Does it generate more power that the consumed? Thank you!
@lukem6667
@lukem6667 10 лет назад
Also how long was your training in college,I would love to get into mechanics/engineering when I hae finished my degree.
@SanketAgrawaliitiancool
@SanketAgrawaliitiancool 10 лет назад
Hey great Video Is the designing equation of ECU by the manufacture available anywhere??
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад
Unlikely, but shoot for 45 degrees (assumes you're a certain height when you jump, forget what) to maximize probability of making a basket!
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