Ed Sheeran and John Mayer Just WRECKED Two Watch Brands.

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Hodinkee just released a Talking Watches with Ed Sheeran...hosted by John Mayer. This is the Super Bowl for watch nerds. Anyways, in short, the film was fantastic and both of these guys seem like absolute pleasures. However -- Christian and I dug in a little deeper into the video and found some questions that we figured were worth talking about.
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@TheoandHarris 9 месяцев назад

*EDIT: We made a mistake with the Toy Watch "would you sell all of your watches" discussion. It was a piece Ed Sheeran purchased with a friend who passed away -- of course that changes the answer. Apologies to Mr. Sheeran for the oversight!* Also, if it wasn't clear, we love the film and just wanted to talk about it on the channel.

@Valera_Scotland 9 месяцев назад

Yes but come on.... memories or not, a plastic watch for all those historic pieces....I don't believe that... its just a watch after all. What's real is the memories of his friend not some watch

@alectang1614 9 месяцев назад

@@Valera_Scotlandyeah, but this is someone who can repurchase all of those watches again if he does sell them. Not the Toy watch though.

@jicalzad 9 месяцев назад

@@alectang1614 yeah, i agree. It seems like he already owns a few piece uniques, so what would stop him from just those pieces all over again.

@Valera_Scotland 9 месяцев назад

@@alectang1614 yeah I do get it... Still think the idea is silly

@ross1667 9 месяцев назад

How do you make a video talking about a video you either didn’t watch ⌚️ or didn’t pay attention to? He brought up the friend and buying watches together multiple times. “You always assume the videos are BS” and then both of you miss such a big point of the video. I’m no RU-vid hater but don’t put out a BS video when you haven’t done you’re homework. -Casio G shock owner

@SirStamford27 9 месяцев назад

Ed Sheeran lives near me in Suffolk England, and supports the local football team Ipswich. A couple of weeks ago he was working behind the bar at Ipswich's ground, serving people drinks and food.

@djmartinez4717 7 месяцев назад

Wow I’m glad to see he’s still a humble guy connected to his roots. Much respect to him.

@BabyJesus66 9 месяцев назад

Christian came dressed like a thin mint. 😂😂 But hey, screw watches, you can never go wrong with a Girl Scout cookie. 👍

@jelenko07 9 месяцев назад

😂😂😂😂

@biglou9776 9 месяцев назад

I hope Christian reads this and pins this up top 🤣

@tyarnold4088 9 месяцев назад

True

@thetrainingcoop 9 месяцев назад

I have to assume that John Mayer is at least partially motivated to do these TW’s because he’s now an investor in Hodinkee and he’s trying to help its value grow. I thought it was a bit disingenrous of Ben Clymer to say no one gets paid to do these. I guess not directly, but surely Mayer and others have a financial incentive to do them.

@dannyzuko7182 9 месяцев назад

Of course. John is driving up the values of the watches he owns. He's made a fortune on his watch collection appreciating in value. Plus he makes money on watches he helped design that his fans can afford. Ed is following in his footsteps.

@-1-780 9 месяцев назад

They were also promoting the yellow limited edition Hodinkee x Ed Sheeran gshock. The watch comes with a message from JM in the packaging.

@willudallmusic 9 месяцев назад

I'm a huge JM fan, but I think he just gets a big kick (ego boost) from playing this role in the watch community.

@sgfreak96 9 месяцев назад

@@willudallmusic And his already insanely massive ego is frankly unbearable. He absolutely does this stuff with a big portion of motivation being his ego feeding.

@sinesaii 9 месяцев назад

I do not care about that, but I do want regular watch content back (Jack Foster type stuff). I uninstalled the Hodinkee app after all the stupid articles on fashion. It is like they turned into a different publication. I like Ben Clymer. I have met the man. Cool guy. I just have no idea what they are thinking now. Fratello is putting out more and better content. Did I keep went from the premier website for watches to this teen beat co tent. I just cannot deal with them anymore. That and they trashed the Seiko Astron (I have one-huge, expensive and glorious Astron).

@JungleDogs 9 месяцев назад

I think you guys are overthinking it here. First of all, the question on why John Mayer did this. Mayer owns a pretty large stake in Hodinkee as he was one of the latest round investors in 2020, along with Tom Brady and others; so he being the MC is not weird at all. Sheeran is his buddy and is probably boosting Mayer's company by being there as a favor. And yes they probably get perks for mentioning or favoring one brand over the other....they may get access to some sick pieces (maybe at a discount?) that the average person could never ever even see in person. I don't think they need the $10,000 because they mention the name.

@gscottea2539 9 месяцев назад

Key point he made on the Toy watch, if I am not mistaken, is that it was a gift from someone who passed away.

@Rosay__ 9 месяцев назад

Great discussion as always. Some interesting POVs from you both. Thanks guys!

@jamesblonde2271 9 месяцев назад

Funniest bit was Ed using his first Patek box as a rolling box.

@stu632 9 месяцев назад

I think they may have an eye on the commercial aspect, but for both of these guys watches are pure passion. They are addicted 😃

@Foxrock321 9 месяцев назад

I “watched” John and Ed’s watch show n tell…and as a professional musician myself.. I can relate to the early days of acquiring my watches..what it came to then and what it comes down to now is money…and Ed and John have plenty of it. It would be nice to decide which Royal Oak to add to the collection,..but not all of us are on that big a stage…. My nicest watch is an Omega Speedmaster Racing panda.

@p.h.234 9 месяцев назад

Had a song used in an episode of a TV show and bought a Speedy 57 off the back of it :)

@AndreaDoesYoga 9 месяцев назад

🎸Amazing collaboration, Ed and John really rocked it!🔥

@GrantFryburger 9 месяцев назад

Loved the original interview and your breakdown was awesome.

@pureounce.9184 9 месяцев назад

Christian channeling his inner Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle today

@pamisavejr 9 месяцев назад

Nice insight from an amazing episode of Talking Watches, love your perspective on it

@jockdodson9093 9 месяцев назад

Big fan gentlemen. Your introductory music reminds me of a crisp Fall day. Love it! Great episode!

@James-gr6kr 9 месяцев назад

You clearly didn’t watch the video properly. This is full of dumb takes. The reason he wouldn’t get rid of the toy watch, and trade it for his whole collection, is it’s sentimental to his best friend Jamal who died. He also clearly states the value of the watches don’t interest him and actually become a burden to wearing them. Yes he has piece uniques for Patek and AP. The white ceramic AP is a piece unique. It’s not “modded”. The rotor has the symbols from his albums on it, done in factory. Yes he’s has some Bamford mods of other watches.

@JackG7786 9 месяцев назад

glad to see someone else pointed this out. Still have respect for the guys, but if they're gonna make a video on content that is freely accessible they should each watch it and be as correct as possible

@rygyrocks16 9 месяцев назад

John Mayer is also a big shareholder at Hodinkee

@Kueni99 9 месяцев назад

Latest hodinkee video explains that none of the guests are paid, pure passion - but of course it's an advert of personal brand to a degree, but what isn't! Loved it

@axiom4694 9 месяцев назад

I don't think they could afford to pay them lol. Very convenient

@richardwarren2024 9 месяцев назад

I wish Hodinkee would turn over all content to John Mayer.

@FayeClegg 9 месяцев назад

Ed & his friend Jamal Edward came up together, jamal started SBTV music channel that gave Ed and so many other UK artists a platform. Jamal died a few years back.

@joeblackwolf17 9 месяцев назад

I like how you both are adapting each others mannerisms from the touching of the nose every 5 words 😂 😂😂 perfect syncopation

@robertschmidt9584 9 месяцев назад

Ed won this episode with humility. John clearly hasn’t branched out in watches. Maybe staged, but when one needs to mention Roger Smith (without George Daniels) in the same sentence, someone seems out of touch or “Out of Time.” Michael Stype would understand.

@robpelletier2103 9 месяцев назад

I enjoyed the John & Ed interview, but yet another video of watches that 99% of us can never afford. You two are spot on. Is that a Unimatc on Christians wrist? Now that’s cool!

@bwheeler03 9 месяцев назад

I think you mean 99.999%

@robpelletier2103 9 месяцев назад

@@bwheeler03yes absolutely. 99.99999999999999%

@michaelriera6277 9 месяцев назад

I can afford the G-Shock and the Toy watch.

@axiom4694 9 месяцев назад

Please dont make us wait a week for the 2nd part

@james12359 9 месяцев назад

Ed is just doing what he does best and that's sharing.And John has forgotten more about watches than you know.

@willudallmusic 9 месяцев назад

yeh i'm only a few minutes in and i don't like the start of this. neither of them need it for their brand.

@bigbodykarate6403 9 месяцев назад

You mean stealing , since he literally stole a majority of his music literal fact . nobody can deny it, its been proven .

@dannyzuko7182 9 месяцев назад

@@bigbodykarate6403Being influenced isn't stealing...

@Indigo280 9 месяцев назад

He’s one of the best guitarists of his generation

@robertschmidt9584 9 месяцев назад

These are guys with money and White people problems. Let them be. They’ve earned it and have a chance to let us observe their world.

@elizabethsampat3267 9 месяцев назад

Hodinkee has had some financial trouble including significant layoffs lately. I know a lot of people mentioned that John is a high-profile investor in Hodinkee, but even if Sheeran isn't paid to be on Talking Watches, he's definitely getting paid for the G Shocks, as does Hodinkee (the JM watches are all co-branded with Hodinkee, so I imagine this will be too). John even said something about how he was facilitating the collab to try to get a bit more shine on it. Overall, it was a wildly entertaining infomercial.

@abhaig 9 месяцев назад

I think these two make so much money by selling music, anything they make from this show will be chump change and negligible

@willudallmusic 9 месяцев назад

agreed, this is at best a side project, that they are doing for fun@@abhaig

@itoldunot2fuckwithme 9 месяцев назад

Luxury isn't the product itself. It's having what others covet. Rolex masters this knowledge.

@jackblah5842 9 месяцев назад

This version of Theodore Cleaver and Eddie Haskell was particularly heartwarming.

@adamethancrow 9 месяцев назад

Great show ❤

@TheHairymango 9 месяцев назад

Christian looking like Shrek here

@GrumblingForesight 9 месяцев назад

Interesting what you guys mentioned about the PR benefits to the guest for doing the talk. I’m of a slightly older generation so John Mayer was on the radio when I was in college but definitely not Ed Sheeran. Never gave any of his albums a listen but this definitely put him on my radar now. Made me respect the guy even though I’ve never been huge fan of his music. Oh, and , that wasnt a dig on his music, I just wasnt exposed to them. I dont even know which songs Taylor Swift sings, lol.

@okidoki2952 9 месяцев назад

Just paused the vid so I can pop off to buy a toy watch 😂👍

@afonso5385 9 месяцев назад

Love the Unimatic on Christian’s wrist, stunning watch

@danielm2827 9 месяцев назад

Which watches are you both wearing?

@rwATR_USN 9 месяцев назад

I had lunch with Christian a few years back. Can confirm he’s just like this in real life.

@Chilam. 9 месяцев назад

lmao I love him but he's mad pretentious

@saparicio89 9 месяцев назад

John Mayer is LITERALLY a shareholder of Hodinkee, no guess work around what is he getting out of helping his company out

@consumidorbrasileiro222 9 месяцев назад

LOL at the end

@antoniomaria2775 9 месяцев назад

We need you two on talking watches, guys

@michaeloneil3653 9 месяцев назад

Definitely overthinking this 😵‍💫

@aleksandarmarkovic4992 9 месяцев назад

This episode was quite good

@BillyJeans1993 9 месяцев назад

The Value of the talk for JM is that he’s a shareholder/ investor in Hodinkee. Ed did a GShock / Hodinkee Collab so there’s that. I preferred Johns Collection over Ed’s but I did like that he actually wears / wore a Hublot and wasn’t ashamed of it

@neoLover23 9 месяцев назад

I bought that razor in blue it sucks the reason you WANT it to wiggle and move is because your body isn’t flat. Great video guys Archie is in NYC for watchtime NY

@scottt.4596 9 месяцев назад

Great ball cap, Michael! Link, please! 🙏🏻

@Foxrock321 9 месяцев назад

Oh! One more thing..Just watched Nico’s take on the John and Ed show..he brings up some really good points about custom PP. and he is funny as hell…

@phoenix5054 9 месяцев назад

Unpopular opinion: Hublot has more personality than Rolex, and it's for people who enjoys their watch, not ones looking for "investments".

@gus.s 9 месяцев назад

Well.. that... makes sense?!?! I'm not seeing people buying hublot for bargain rights or as investments. And Hublot at least realises new watchs.

@BrittPearceWatches 9 месяцев назад

Oh man! That whole Talking Watches made me fall in love with Ed Sheeran!!! I loved his philosophy and he’s really just having fun with it! I love it! If I had a silly amount of money like him, I’d be quite similar! (I mean, no Hublot’s… hahaha BUT DO YOUR THING ED!)

@kennethgrisham9409 9 месяцев назад

Best female watch RU-vid ever!!!! Big fan

@angustillett2649 9 месяцев назад

I believe John is a shareholder of Hodinkee. could be wrong though.

@dennisjuenger4996 9 месяцев назад

I enjoy watching you guys waaaay more than that Hodinkee thing...

@michaelwidmann8084 9 месяцев назад

I blame that Apple watch for the point Michael brought up near the beginning when he says "everyone" is wearing a Royal Oak. I believe that Apple helped popularized the notion of wearing a watch at all in recent times. So it follows that watches are viewed as a uniform fashion accessory, rather than a chance to make a unique statement. And if you got the money, why get a dumb, cheap Apple watch when you can acquire something most people simply can't afford? The Royal Oak is the new, upscale Apple watch for rich folks who don't care about watches. Fight me.

@chalmers_duvet 9 месяцев назад

Michael, what's the sweater?

@Joe-xo3xy 9 месяцев назад

@Christian and Michael-there are a group of few that think the swiss are up their butt-here is what I have learnt over time-they have a code of not repeating designs for the most part, some (watch brands) evolve more than others. However, they always add value for their consumers. Here is a subtle example-Old and new pelagos, all 3 generations of the heritage black bay, subtle but every owner of each iteration has something to brag about. How about prior generation Calatravas vs the new ones, each owner is a winner. This is why I respect the swiss and their code for watch making, they respect their consumers and keep an archive. History is constantly built.

@retiredslo 9 месяцев назад

Not going to "slam dunk on these guys" ...Not sure how you would ever do that in any conversation, literally about anything 🤣

@CarlosSantana-dr4bp 8 месяцев назад

Question 1: John Mayer is a Hodinkee investor and Ed has a new Gshock collab

@macallandrinker 9 месяцев назад

Isn’t Mayer an investor in Hodinkee?

@erwinvlsqz 9 месяцев назад

Lol is that girard john was ditching i was shocked as well 😂😂

@Piramtt 9 месяцев назад

hi Michael, hi Christian! hey just wondering.. why are you dressed like a ninja turtle? Love your content guys, greetings from Italy

@oysterman962 9 месяцев назад

Christian's outfit would match perfectly with the Swatch Fifty Fathoms Indian Ocean.

@michaelwidmann8084 9 месяцев назад

He's a ninja turtle, and Michael looks like the wayward kid who wanders the sewers...for some reason. I smell a reboot!

@stanL9 9 месяцев назад

Nice UC4 Christian!

@russelaceto2394 9 месяцев назад

I watched this last week and enjoyed it. Thought they needed JM to be the permanent host. I also really appreciated ES really personal answers as well as several of his more "a-typical" selections.

@ditmerk 9 месяцев назад

Mayor is too full of himself to be a host

@DanielGrovesBristol 9 месяцев назад

Felt like everytime Ed wanted to say something Mayor talked all over the top

@bgrelek6311 9 месяцев назад

as much as I like John, this was very true, he interjected too much @@DanielGrovesBristol

@sgfreak96 9 месяцев назад

Absolutely not, Mayer is way way too full of himself and talked over Ed too much.

@briers9 9 месяцев назад

Overthinking this. They just both love watches. What's cooler than to sit in a room and nerd out over some incredible pieces. If you make everything about branding, money and promotion, the soul just leaves the body, eventually. I'm sure their managers see it differently but those two just make music and talk watches.

@BobbyDazzler888 9 месяцев назад

Nah. There are no accidents

@Arseization 9 месяцев назад

When you are a person with a reach THAT immense, there are no accidents and certainly no left opportunities. As Ed Sheeran you know your marketing value damn well and do you think he pays AP for their watches and then goes on to advert them for free on a watch show? Never. Those kind of deals are worth hundrets of thousands if not more.

@austinlanier3285 9 месяцев назад

@@Arseizationno. hundreds of thousands for a silent sponsorship is absurd

@Landofsmiles999 9 месяцев назад

They both have a descent amount of cash, they don't strike me as needing advert cash benefits from youtube or a few extra watch sales

@jeetashjivan5620 9 месяцев назад

😂😂 I dare you to count how many times each of them touch or rub their nose - all videos it’s crazy … definitely not normal

@nicholashoppe7085 9 месяцев назад

Is Christian rocking a Unimatic on his wrist?? If so, props.

@generalpatton272 9 месяцев назад

I’ve wanted to watch that. ..but I’ve been putting it off. …hm… but I did watch this lol ❤️

@kishin4960 9 месяцев назад

Which brands? I heard JM dissing the GP as an airport watch. What was the other?

@joshsargent2759 8 месяцев назад

The AP’s, specifically Royal Oak, is a gaudy “look at me” watch that everyone seems to have. I just don’t get it.

@bloodshot6 9 месяцев назад

Great video, I agree with the dialogue about why are these celebrities keep wearing the same watch. AP make really dope watches, but why would you want to be like the next man in that world. Curious if they really are into watches or just like a rare expensive piece. I feel Tyler the Creator is a good example of having unique taste and not following trends.

@LEIF_10119 9 месяцев назад

so true, tyler is a perfect example for doing your own unique stuff in music and his taste of watches. especially with the cartier watches including the crash and the small LV Monterey watch designed by gae aulenti with a ceramic case build by iwc.

@bloodshot6 9 месяцев назад

I would love to see more people follow suit in that direction.

@Zeppelin180 9 месяцев назад

Pretty sure Mayer was wearing one of his Tourbillons so it was a pretty special Royal Oak.

@copystrikecop9362 9 месяцев назад

They really did Girard Perregaux dirty with those airport watches comments... ouch

@heinerjurgens5362 9 месяцев назад

Is Christian wearing a Unimatic watch?

@joggle4321 9 месяцев назад

Rolex really is a starter brand tho. Maybe not because of the price (depends), but because of the accessibility of the designs and the brand (NOT availability XD).

@popyfx2599 9 месяцев назад

Michael kinda looks like Peter Parker with the cap on

@tylersherritt937 9 месяцев назад

His white AP is not modded? It’s a custom one off from AP.

@nedflanders3769 9 месяцев назад

You guys seem like you're probably cool IRL. Non-D-bags. 😄

@dmitrybelyakov 9 месяцев назад

Have you seen the followup panel with Clymer?

@jw.2507 9 месяцев назад

It was awful

@matecalle 9 месяцев назад

I don't get it, what two watch brands got "WRECKED"? I feel like the title is super click-baity

@renngretsch 9 месяцев назад

I have a toy watch. It is a piece of junk, but it makes me smile. It is a Sub homage, and while I don't like Sub's having a junk plastic copy of the style amuses me.

@lotsofrobots1 9 месяцев назад

christian is a ned flanders prequel

@shinjukutrain 9 месяцев назад

If they are being paid to wear Royal Oaks by AP then that would make the whole spontaneous 'let's both buy a Spiderman AP' moment at the end a complete joke.

@seegee1613 9 месяцев назад

So this is talking watches about people About talking watches. We need a talking watches review of thisn

@jelenko07 9 месяцев назад

Every "celebrity", bloggers, instagramers etc are wearing royal oak. It makes me think they are all given the watch to promote the brand. It's a great watch but I'd choose Santos galbee over RO any day

@photoipster 9 месяцев назад

It is hilarious that 2 guys with 5 day face growth, advertise for razors :-)

@micahsexton4281 9 месяцев назад

What tiktok collab are they talking about?

@jhatgotagat300 9 месяцев назад

When he said he “married a girl from his high school and lived a town over”or something like that I internally said “huh that’s actually amazing” and knowing how British towns are it’s really like a farm town in the states. Growing up my long term gf then always listened to him so I know like fucking all the old stuff🤣 glad he’s just a guy being a dude that’s also a bro. I’m also convicted woman exclusively dictate music trends sooo

@Dan-lq6dg 9 месяцев назад

Michael needs to be on talking watches

@TheoandHarris 9 месяцев назад

"This is my G-Shock and recently I found out that you can have the back light set to auto..." then I stare at Ben Clymer for 10 minutes in silence and mimic his movements

@isaganicortes7409 9 месяцев назад

The question on would you give up all your collection for this one cheap watch has to be contextualized; I wouldn’t do it; but I believe Sheeran will because he doesn’t care about the money because he doesn’t need to; now if he’s poor and destitute the answer might be different; but it doesn’t in any way detract from the honesty of his response in the current context

@williamsutherland5320 9 месяцев назад

My new grail watch is the spider man AP.

@Landofsmiles999 9 месяцев назад

Just read comment's then checked out. They provided you lads with an opportunity for a quick earn. Take your loot and look for the next easy meal. It is what it is. Are you guys for real? I just noticed your razor add, come on lads, unreal.

@TheRacerRich 9 месяцев назад

I assume Harrison is wearing a hat because he regrets his haircut?

@Makingnewnamesisdumb 9 месяцев назад

Good to see that neck been shaved now.

@jhatgotagat300 9 месяцев назад

On the point of brands changing being a win win. A seiko 5 that was 50$ in 2015 is now 100 new and to someone that doesn’t know it’s a seiko so it’s a decent watch for decent money. That’s on the lowest end of the spectrum imagine that but with “uhhuge” prices. So ya a brand changing normally is a win win. Unless ur the mass majority of brands around the quartz crisis. Thank you old seiko still top notch 🤣

@SuperWhofan1 9 месяцев назад

Rolex-Patek-AP are investment brands and the only ones celebrities want

@brynroberts9880 9 месяцев назад

The fact that Christian can't imagine that someone might keep a cheap watch that has sentimental value over one that costs 1000s tells you all you need to know about him.

@darylisaac6615 9 месяцев назад

huh?

@JM-gy6zb 9 месяцев назад

1000s? The comparison was the one $50 watch vs. an entire collection worth millions.

@Rosscotron 9 месяцев назад

I like him

@jshintoth 9 месяцев назад

It was a figure of speech for a scenario that would never happen. If it happened in real life. Obviously he would never keep that watch over the collection..

@isaiahmitchell4193 9 месяцев назад

@@jshintoth he probably would considering he can just buy the other ones again

@zatarawood3588 9 месяцев назад

what watch are you wearing Theo? & on some of what you discussed the manipulation of the public is sinister by these big brands ...

@mrjamesgrimes 9 месяцев назад

Why is homie on the right dressed up like a ninja turtle?

@emreisiklar 9 месяцев назад

Great guys, informative, fun, knowledgeable minus the mustache 😂

@therealphee 9 месяцев назад

THINK OF ALL THE COOL PHOTOS YOU CAN TAKE WHEN YOU HAVE 2 MILLION DOLLARS

@Miginath 9 месяцев назад

I hate to say it but the new G-Shock that Ed Sheeran released looks like a ripe banana.

@vincestanton2717 7 месяцев назад

I don’t know these two guys, but I can tell you that both of their noses itch. Apparently pretty severely.

@yerrie1908 9 месяцев назад

Next time get a ladder when explaining the levels, whatever financial motive or not, I don't see a problem, when there comes a but it's never good

@mr_grillet 9 месяцев назад

Personally I felt really off watching it. It felt like a hail-mary to try and get people talking about Hodinkee now that it's in a tough spot. The pushing of the Shock really cemented this feeling for me. It felt like someone said, "what could we possibly do to get the most views as possible and how can we use this to make as much money as possible? - push an affordable watch" For background, the ES's Toy Watch, is important to Ed because it is a momento from the early days with his friend Jamal Edwards MBE. Jamal is a legend in the UK music scene because he helped drive attention to artists that were largely ignored by mainstream media but went on to dominate the charts. He was one of the first people to really see potential in RU-vid and what showcasing talent with almost no budget could do on the platform. Many believe Ed's performance on Jamal's channel is the pivotal point where his career really started.

@bgrelek6311 9 месяцев назад

Ben Clymer said he has never paid anyone to come on Talking Watches in the cash sense

@oysterman962 9 месяцев назад

He also once said he would never do sponsored reviews for watch brands at the time when Hodinkee was independent and unbiased and a lot less commercial.

@bgrelek6311 9 месяцев назад

I'm just quoting what he said in the little directors cut follow up episode Hodinkee did a few days ago@@oysterman962