The fact that the euro fighter does this well against the f-22 at all is very impressive, really shows off how capable of an aircraft it can be, but of course there is only so much you can do against a vehicle which breaks the laws of physics and flys like a helicopter
@F-15J Eagle yeah but that was when all conditions were against the f-22. America REALLY likes to put their best craft at every disadvantage to see just how capable it is. I’m not saying that even in ideal conditions the EF wouldn’t put up a fight because it ABSOLUTELY would.
3:18 Fun fact: It is basically impossible to over G an F-22, the avionics will essentially not let you. The aircraft will deflect both ailerons upwards to reduce the lift outboard, thereby reducing the bending stresses at the wing root.
I don’t know what everyone else sees, but I see a Eurofighter Typhoon demonstrating a reasonable challenge to a Raptor after the merge. Whether the handicap is critical to that, I’m not sure of, but canard deltas are pretty strong 4.5 gen fighters the way I see it.
That wasn't a challenge for the raptor. If it had been a fox-2 fight it wouldn't have lasted longer than a turn or two. The only time the raptor had trouble was when GS over ruddered and gave him the win. There was no other point where the raptor was in any danger.
Eurofighter is really interesting, its AoA is limited to 'just' 25°, same as F-16, but it can keep pulling 9g up until Mach 1.2 Low speed maneuverability is not that impressive, worse than Rafale and maybe even Gripen, but the faster the fight, the better the relative performance becomes, aided by an impressive TWR. There is the AMK or EFEM (Aerodynamic Modification Kit) with LERX, fuselage Strakes and changed trailing edge flaps, that increases the AoA to 35°, but so far no country has decided to buy (and pay for re-certification of plane and weapons configurations).
Monstrous in 1vs1. Although in a mass fight, that insane aoa kind of vectorial turn would break speed so much it would render extremely vulnerable to assistance from another foe.
Stealth my friend and BVR. Raptor is made for air dominance for a reason. But yeah you’re right, assuming this thing wasn’t stealthy and dogfights wouldn’t even happen, then yes it would be destroyed.
You clearly don’t understand what IR and all aspect stealth is :/ Even without. The merge isn’t going to happen, what’s the point of the METEOR missile then? Nah I guess that was just a propaganda device to scare American Allies. Oh well what about F-22s AESA radar that has been upgraded several times that can detect EF and lock? Nah I guess that doesn’t exist. In fact the F-22 doesn’t even have a radar. Neither does the F-15, because it’s not like both have locked a EF before. That never happened.
@Gary Pollard Well, you don't know about AESA, right? 32 km? lol. AN/APG-77v1, which is RADER that F-22 has can detect 1 m^2 sized materials in 210~240 km. and no RADER can back-trace AN/APG-77v1's RADER frequency. and even if EF-2000 got hot signature of F-22, Jammer of F-22 simply block the lock-on system of EF-2000. F-22 is not just a Fighter. It's fighter combined with AEWC(or AWACS) and Electric warfare fighter.
@@pitot0philo207what you said makes… no sense. There’s no “jamming” a heat signature, the Eurofighter uses PIRATE as a secondary “radar” to counter stealth or harder to track targets using IRST.
The EF put up a good fight here. Definitely more of a challenge than your regular old F-16. Would love to see two EF against each other, with the full missile loadout (or without).
@@fqeagles21 I meant that it would continue to be an unfair duel, the ef2000 will be close to reality, but the f22 will continue to have super arcade powers. In many joint training sessions, where the f22 stood out was in its stealth capacity, in the rest it had problems, few weapons, and other difficulties.
The problem with this is that as soon as you start to rely on thrust vectoring and high AoA maneuvers, you're going so slow that you're a sitting duck falling out of the sky... If there were a wingman you'd be toast. Every time in red flag when the IAF (Indian Air Force) brings their flankers and uses this capability the allies have developed strong and capable tactics to counter it. You're a sitting target in that scenario and get eliminated easily. 1v1 is a different story, but IRL you can't assume that's the case.
IRL 1v1 Raptor is highly unlikely to happen. In a planned mission, an F-15EX is going to launch payload from a distance on any targets painted by the Raptor or F-35. IMO USAF is already giving up on Raptor.
Or if your really good at multi tasking; send out a Fox 3 in Pitbull mode whilst flat spinning at any offending aircraft getting in the way between you and your close range kill. Assuming opening the weapons bay doesn't sheer off the doors or screw over your aerodynamics in the process...
"Late night, be ready for anything moment." You are killing me kid! 😉 Good on you for the sponsorship, and if I had balls I'd order a kit in an instant!
My younger brother was an engineer at Lockheed in the early 90's. The intakes on the F22 are his. When he and his engineer buddies were asked about the F22 vs other planes all they would say was " clubbing baby seals"!
its amazing how in DCS turning the rate fight into a 1 circle with that 1 move by the raptor is actually a kinda big thing (around the 4:00 mark), and then in War Thunder that's literally one of the very first things you learn and use most often in fights. Obviously WT is not a simulator like this, and 3rd person view allows this to happen much more easily, but still, just an interesting take from a high skill WT player.
F-22 pilots found Spanish Eurofighters surprisingly effective against them. The scenario where the F-22 was superior was in BVR fight but in dogfight where no a clear "winner".
IN Canary Islands (Spain) 2 Typhoon moked a fight against 8 F-15, splashing 7 of them. And during a Tiger meet Spanish Typhoon merged against portugese F-16, with a kill ratio of 9/1 in favor of the Typhoon. If there's a plane able to push the formidable F-22 it's (with no hesitation) the Typhoon.
“more recently, there have been repeated reports that two RAF Typhoons deployed to the USA for OEU trails work have been flying against the F-22 at NAS China Lake, and have peformed better than was expected. There was little suprise that Typhoon, with its world-class agility and high off-boresight missile capability was able to dominate "Within Visual Range" flight, but the aircraft did cause a suprise by getting a radar lock on the F22 at a suprisingly long range. The F-22s cried off, claiming that they were "unstealthed" anyway, although the next day´s scheduled two vs. two BWR engagement was canceled, and "the USAF decided they didn´t want to play any more .”
It looks to me it comes a lot to pilot skills🤔.I'm a big fan and I have a feeling that in reverse scenario when you'd fly eurofighter, it would be a different story maybe? I would love to see more eurofighter videos please.
I came across your channel a few weeks ago by happenstance. I grew up loving aircraft as a by-product of my dad. After watching your channel for a few weeks I've started shopping for my own gear to start getting into DCS myself. Keep it up man!
Always remember folks: Like GS mentioned both mods run on publicly available info. However the EF is going to be a lot closer to spec than the F22. The F22 is not only classified but handicapped as well. So the public data is based on the known performance, which is lower than training performance, which is lower than actual performance because standing USAF orders prevent the Raptor from training at max performance to hide it's true capabilities. Last year at Red Flag German EFs were just barely able to defeat some Raptors. Barely. So the EF can beat a Raptor that is purposely flying with a double handicap. Food for thought.
I love the fact that this video implies a marketing meeting in which a bunch of Very Serious Professionals discussed how to make me in particular think a lot more about my balls than I have in some time.
Best part about Raptor is it can use its nose as a pointer, hold steady and draw a 360 degree circle basically like a school kid to teach a lesson. It's a mean machine which can turn in its own axis.
It’s actually pretty insane how once you get this close, experience between these two jets is a huge gap. One thing to mention is just how much fights change when you go two and two. The vectoring becomes harder to pull off without good communication and pressure from your wingman. It leaves you very vulnerable due to loss of energy.
I've just finished reading about the 2012 Alaskan Red Flag exercises, in which Germany participated with totally clean Eurofighters against Raptors carrying external tanks. The outcome was an almost total defeat for the F-22 pilots. I'd like to see this replicated, if only to better evaluate the accuracy of the mods.
Exact reason that a dual throttle is so useful in a dogfight. You can use asymmetric thrust to kick the aircraft in one direction or another if you know what you're doing.
That's not something that would ever be done in a fighter because the thrust axis of each engine is very close to the aircraft longitudinal axis, the turning moment created would be pretty small. Even on large a/c where differential thrust can be used for yaw control, it is at best an option of last resort.
From the few videos I've watch on this channel, if you are in a late generation A/C, it comes down to pilot skill as these A/C seem to be pretty strong in most of the same areas of abilities. Also, I really like that you talk about what you are doing and why as the action permits. BZ
