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“Evil cannot create, only soft-reboot.” - J. R. R. Tolkien

Galadriel has done a lot of horrific things during the season, but that three second clip of her walking past a burning man and offering no help sums up her entire character.

You know something? Now whenever I watch Fellowship and get to the part where Galadriel almost takes the ring from Frodo, it will no longer be a sobering reminder of the temptation of the ring, that even a pure and noble elf queen could fall under its sway. Now it's her suddenly reverting to type, because this show has convinced me that Galadriel is unironically more evil than Sauron.

So, Galadriel, in her quest for vengeance, created the very evil she swore to destroy. And then, after having this fact revealed to her, did nothing to change it. For fuck's sake.

"is your duty to your son or to numenor?" If this was really based on Tolkiens work then his response would be something like "Duty to my son is a duty to numenor" ... but no modern day Hollywood writer could handle writing men as important

37:31 The best plot-twist is if magic man turned out to be Saruman and his experience with the harfoots is what turned him to evil. It would make his vengeance on the hobbits justified.

In the film trilogy, Galadriel's defining trait is her piercing insight. While Celeborn greets the fellowship formally, Galadriel communicates privately with Frodo -- she goes immediately to the heart of the matter, namely the ringbearer's burden. She warns Frodo upfront of what he already suspects -- Boromir will succumb and try to take the ring. She later shows him upfront what would happen if he fails, no punches pulled, and even her own temptation by the ring is her essentially saying "let's get this over with" and just going for it -- and coming through having passed the test. Galadriel is ethereal wisdom and beauty, but her character is all about getting straight to the point, to the heart of the matter, with piercing, uncompromising insight. This show... they've got the "uncompromising" part, but seem to have missed the insight and unerring focus on what matters.

Sauron being a bitter man denied his dreams, and scorned by Galadriel, makes me Feel Seen and properly represented.

About the eruption sparing the named characters: There was a gag in Order Of The Stick (a long-running webcomic) where a couple mortally wounded random soldiers are talking to each other in the aftermath of a big battle. They tell each other their names right as they think they're going to die, after which they both immediately start to feel better and soon get up and walk away, eventually becoming somewhat major characters in the main plot. It's lampshading the narrative trope that a character basically gets a second health bar as soon as the audience knows their name.

The pyroclastic flow is a Lovecraftian enigma. Hot enough to set wooden buildings ablaze, powerful enough to level a town and knock everyone to the ground, but when it hits people at full force straight in the face it either leaves them with horrific burns (as expected) or gives them a light shove and an ash dusting.

Concerning Harfoots, by Bilbus Bungelton: "Harfoots have been living and "farming" other Harfoots across Middle Earth for many hundreds of years, quite content to ignore and be ignored by the world of the Big Folk. Middle Earth being, after all, full of strange creatures beyond count. Harfoots must seem of little importance, being neither renowned as great humanitarians, nor counted amongst the very wise. "In fact, it has been remarked by some that Harfoots only real passion is for food. A rather unfair observation as we have also developed a keen interest in the crunching of bones and the stealing of wheels. But where our hearts truly lie is in pain, misery, and good tilled earth fertilized by the remains of our forebears. For all Harfoots share a love of all things that you can boil, mash and stick in a stew. And yes, no doubt to others, our ways seem quaint but today of all days, it is brought home to me it is no bad thing to celebrate a simple life." (The author of this account was later found half eaten by Sadcock Burrows, the village elder)

Jackson had the perfect approach to adapting Tolkien (or any fantasy, IMO) in that he told his crew to look at it as if it was a historical account and that they were lucky enough to have artifacts to replicate and be able to shoot in the locations where these places once were.

I can't believe how hard they Jake Skywalkered Galadriel in this show. To make her the cause of Sauron's actions in the third age by shoving him off the path of redemption... Christ.

"I'M GOOD" shouts Gandalf as he disintegrates some witches into ghosts into moth-dust. Oh how I wish we got to see everyone's live reaction to THAT one.

It just clicked for me, it's Finn and stormtroopers all over again. They try to tease orcs are more than faceless cannon fodder for the heros to kill scores of then they forget about it because the good guys need an enemy to slaughter with no moral hang ups

"If elrond told me the sky was blue, I would fucking check!" 🤣😂 there's some real gems in this one!

20:55 I think Mauler is confusing Celeborn and Círdan. Círdan, Gil Galad and Galadriel are the original Eldair Ringbearers. Círdan was gifted the red ring (fire) by Gil Galad but recognises Gandalf as a force for good and loans him the ring of fire whose power is to inspire resistance to tyranny. Meanwhile he waits for him at the Grey Havens. Gil Galad is slain at Baradur and Elrond takes his blue ring (air) before he dies. Of the three original ringbearers, only Galadriel remains with her white ring (water) that conceals things from evil that she used to protect and sustain Loth Lórien.

Timestamps 0:00 Reupload Exclusive Content 2:10 We Played It 2:45 Kick On 4:53 Walk Through The Fire 19:47 Celeborn 21:54 Darkness 23:49 Hardfoots, Space & Distances 29:43 I’ll Never Tell 32:09 Dead Trees 35:20 The Prometheus School Of Running Away From Things 37:40 Elvis & The Dwarfs 47:57 Characters In The Show 54:57 Let Elvis Die 1:07:04 The Mitral & The Goo 1:11:27 Galadriel, Theo & The Orcs 1:25:10 The Blind Queen 1:28:57 Gary is in 1:30:29 Hardwoods 1:33:28 Death, Dance & Twins (It’s so dark that I can’t see anything) 1:35:48 The Sword 1:38:35 Where do we go from here? 1:40:23 EFAP Micro: Basic Storytelling 1:50:40 Elrond & The Mitral 1:58:25 A Pointless Show 2:04:38 Durin & Dwarfs 2:08:04 Hardfoods 2:09:47 The Evil Pyros 2:15:32 The Camp 2:30:25 Season 2 (1) 2:34:59 Hardguilts 2:41:40 Norry Allen & The Hardleague 2:45:10 Finding People 2:49:01 All Bran All Along 2:52:35 Old Dwarfs 2:54:19 The Baufraud 2:58:57 MoRdoR 3:04:39 The Rags 2.0 Plush 3:11:28 The Final Episode 3:11:59 Notgandalf 3:18:15 A Bad Green Screen 3:20:12 Elvis, Euro & Kellog Bin Born 3:25:59 It’s A Small World 3:27:55 Suspicious Minds 3:32:11 6 Days After 3:38:47 All Bran Meets Kellog 3:48:59 A Dying King 3:52:59 How To Save The World 3:55:36 Weird Stuff 4:00:49 Gary is out 4:01:59 Building A Crown 4:03:16 Detective Galadriel 4:05:13 Notgandalf & The Witches 4:09:56 The Hardleague vs The Witches 4:14:42 Fight Scene 4:26:29 Motivational Speech 4:30:04 Second Round 4:35:25 Defeat 4:29:21 Rest In Peace 4:41:20 On A Ship 4:46:59 Explosion 4:20:16 Who Are You / Had Enough 4:56:05 Under Your Spell 4:59:55 I’ve Got A Theory 5:03:04 Season 2 (2) 5:08:29 A Funny Conversation 5:10:09 A Cheap Shot 5:11:39 Join Me And Together We Car Rule The Galaxy 5:16:34 Sauron: What Do We Know? 5:18:37 Knowledge and Causality 5:24:02 The Three Ringos 5:29:21 Notfemfrodo, Notgandalf & Nothobbits 5:39:42 Going Through The Motions 5:43:46 Smelling 5:45:42 Melting 5:53:21 The Ringos Powar 5:55:17 The Eye, The Man & The Mountain 5:57:23 EFAP 2032 5:57:59 Final Opinions 6:01:16 Favorite Characters 6:02:09 Worst Character 6:05:46 Plans & Closing

“Tell me, where is the manager, for I much desire to speak with them.”

"He's got lots of powers in the Lore, he can shapeshift, he can turn into Werwolves and Vampires, i don't think he's got some sort or mind-" Rags:"How many Werwolves?"

Rags- At least orcs will stab you in the front. He has a nack for making that definitive line of the podcast. He had it in the rise of Skywalker video "If you can do all this as a force ghost. What's the point of being alive"

The most mind-boggling thing about this is it's gonna last 10 years...

"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil." -Gandalf "I'm good!" -(not)Gandalf

So, why did Halbrand take the king sigil anyway? Considering he didn't actually seem to want to be named king of the Southlands, why have the sigil of a long dead line of kings on you so that you can A)be found out because the line died 1000 years ago or B) be mistakenly identified as the long list king, when all you wanted to do was settle down and blacksmith?

Despite all the 'suttle' clues they gave away to imply Halbrand to be Sauron it wouldn't have been a surprise if the showrunners gave him also a line like 'I AM THE SPY!!!'

Gandalf didn't destroy the witches with the power of light, the sheer cringe of him shouting "I'M GOOD" just blasted them to pieces.

They forgot to mention that Galadriel told the scribe to say nothing to anyone about researching Halbrand. Then the same scribe walks into the room with both Galadriel and Halbrand and announces that he found something. 🤣

It still blows my mind... according to the writers... Elendil and Isildur are alive... BEFORE Galadriel's daughter is... The rings are meant to be made 2k years before either of them are alive! Galadriel should already be around 3-4 THOUSAND YEARS OLD. Galadriel's daughter should be nearing 2k years old at this point, THE HELL IS THIS TIMELINE?! ... god I'm angry.

Look, Galadriel just wanted to ignore a village on fire and kidnap a child, lead him away from the loved ones he's wondering/worrying about, lead him right into orcs, and then groom him into a future warmonger. It's a real Elf Kween Slay moment.

You know what makes the volcano even funnier? Tolkien's Galadriel specializes in warding magic. Magic that protects. That hides. That repels evil. So there is actually an answer in the lore as to why they would survive the volcanic eruption. Galadriel casts her most powerful magic and wards off the flow, she struggles, might fail partially, but she out of all Elves might actually be able to do it. And they didn't do that. Cause Guyladriel is a warrior and not a mage. Mages are pussies!

I really hate how they portrayed me in this show... *And they didn't even make me gay.* I'm both surprised and kinda disappointed.

26:59 Rags is onto something. I always heard that Tolkein created the languages first in his passion as a linguist and then created the world of middle earth and it’s races to fit his languages.

The thing that bugs me most about the ring forging is the writers don't understand the basic symbolism and importance of WHY they are rings in the first place. Their justification is that they only had a little bit of magic metal. But no understanding of what a ring represents or is. I repeat: the professional writers of rings of power don't know why the lord of the rings HAS MAGIC RINGS.

Fun facts about alloy: The original word does refer to mixing a noble metal with a baser metal, hence to debase or reduce a noble metal. That was the meaning when it was used in alchemical texts. The meaning of mixing any two metals is the modern definition that arrives with modern chemistry in the 1800s.

My roommate has actually never seen the movies but was watching the show and enjoying it. He decided to watch the films because he liked the show so much. I walked in on him sleeping through the Battle of Helms Deep. While I'm disappointed in this show, know it's idiotic and heretical, and will always love and cherish the films, I now understand this show, like most properties that were a part of ""nerd culture,"" is meant for people who know nothing about them and have no desire to understand the worlds they inhabit. People who watched the LotR trilogy maybe once when it came out and think it was alright are the people this is for. Bang bang flashy splosions! Wow! Pretty lights! Show good!

They should have said, "One person wearing one ring might be too dangerous better to split the power between three rings and three people"

Getting in the comments early to say PLEASE get The Little Platoon in on your concluding She-Hulk EFAP! He's been great and I'm hoping they'll keep him coming back now that RoP is done. Also, I only just noticed the Gollum "juicy sweet" reference in the subtitles at 2:09:31. ughh.

This means when ROP series finale airs on EFAP 1,000 Wolf returns

Exactly right at 5:04:00, the showrunners saying “season 2 will be more faithful” is purely tactical. They lost a huge amount of interest, this is how they hope to regain lost ground.

So if the original author intended his story to be a commentary on the effects of war.....what the hell was I supposed to get out of RoP?

If only the people from Pompeii were as resilient to being turned into statues as Galadriel and the rest of the villagers

Found this comment under a Rings of Power reaction video: "Cultures and communities contradict themselves all the time. I thought the contrast between the speech and what we see them doing was great. The Harfoots create elaborate social rituals as a veneer to make the cruel pragmatism of their actions bearable. I don't particularly like this show but I'm pretty sure this was intentional. I find that it adds interesting depth to how harfoots are portrayed." It doesn't matter how piss-poor and contradictory your writing is, someone will find a way to justify it.

I like how the CC on the Vid transcribes "Isildur" to "A Seal Door"

I love Orc Supply. Saw them play live in Gondor and Rohan. Couldn't make it to their Moria Reunion show, though.

"Yo this shit was whack."- Hagrid

With the recent news, the horse on fire was just a premonition for shooting season 2

"Always follow your nose." -Toucan Sam "Always follow your toes." -Discount hobbits

Has anyone else noticed that in their effort to promote diversity and woman power; the show runners made girl bosses who are ultimately failures that need a man to correct their failures centuries later?

I can’t believe I’m actually siding more with Sauron than with Galadriel, but this show really managed to pull it off. And it’s not even the fact that Sauron makes a good point; all his flowery words to explain his ambitions are just window-dressing for his desire to take control of everything Morgoth might have because, y’know, that’s what a real villain would do. No, what makes me side with Sauron is the fact that his goals are at least understandable and consistent with his character. And that’s something that just isn’t true with Galadriel. Sauron feels freed from the whims of his tyrannical master and wants to change the world into his ideal vision of perfection at the expense of the freedom of all Middle-Earth. Whereas Galadriel’s motivations are little more than “I am woman hear me roar, dead brother want vengeance REEEEEE.”

Tolkien: "I would rather drown in a river than go back on my promise from 6 months ago that I wouldn't leave you. A promise is a promise." These guys: "Well, we won the war, the mountain's on fire, half the civilians are dead, and everyone's panicking. . . So if I _leave now_ no one will notice." I believe in death of the author but I also believe in a writer's work telling you a lot about their character.

"Like too much shit, spread over too much ass." -Bilobongus Baegedditous.

Here’s something no one mentions, the Elves make Bilbo/Frodo’s Mithril shirt, since this is the 1st discovery of Mithril according to ROP and according to ROP it only exists in this one place, the Elves are going to have to get their hands on a crap ton more Mithril, that they feel comfortable enough making it into shirts that they give away to Hobbits. How does a bunch more of it get mined and given to the Elves, since they’ve already showed the audience the Balrog? Did we just do this whole “how important Mithril is to the Elves” just to completely undo it next season, where the Dwarves are just giving it to the Elves to make shirts with? Or did the writers forget about the logic behind Frodo’s shirt and are going to create a huge plot contradiction with their Mithril back story? These are the kinds of unforeseen damages to the lore you create when you don’t give a crap about the lore and are allowed to change whatever you want to.

9:30 Wine is more dangerous than lava in this universe. 21:30 Gandalf received his ring from Círdan the Shipwright. 1:03:00 Gil-galad is a smart boy: he knows Elrond can't keep a secret to save his life. 1:38:00 The sword-drawing shing sound effect is annoying, but at least in other films it doesn't affect the story.

“Who do you think you’re talking to Galadriel? When you’re dull-witted Allies are on my doorstep and you think I’m in danger?!” “I AM THE DANGER YOU FOOL, I AM THE ONE WHO KNOCKS!” -Sauron the White

"I'm not patently evil" - Bilboman Goodbaggins

Rags: if he told me the sky is blue I'd fucking check Mimir: If he tells you snow is white, he's lying!

I think Galadriel ignoring the injured after the eruption reflects the writer's experience with the homeless in LA. The writer's job is to produce dialog and parables that move a plot which will appeal to modern audiences. There are other people to deal with the wretch having a seizure (right?).

Pompeii-ites - "ouch, that's warm" Guyladriel - "you guys should have a tempest inside you, you would've been fiiiiine"

About Galadriel's weird tear unbalance (around 5:00:00), I actually have her same "problem." It's actually more common for me to cry out of one eye at a time (like they alternate "tear duty") unless I'm REALLY upset. If I'm watching a movie and there's a scene that hits me *right there* then the tears come down from one eye. If I'm mourning a the passing of a precious family member, it's waterworks from both faucets. Just thought I'd try to point out that crying from one eye isn't 100% unheard of. ...In ROP's case I suspect Mauler's theory that some staffer ran over between cuts with a squirt bottle is correct.

Every Frame a Psycho? For Rings of Power? “How utterly proper.”

You forgot that Durin's Bane was Durin VI and happened almost two thousand years into the third age. Of course why would they let that stop them?

So did Gandalf turn those things into moths just because it was a reference to the scene in Fellowship where he spoke to a moth on top of Orthanc?

So one set of baddies in this show are three wise from the East who follow a strange star to the humble birthplace of their lord? Should I read more into that?

4:04:57 Celebrimbor: Gal seems to be glaring at Halbrand as if she wants to kill him. Is there something she knows that we don’t? Elrond: No she literally does that to everyone. Celebrimbor turns to see Gal staring at him.

"A Mauler is never late, doggo. He streams precisely when he means to!" - Grandalfo the Ghey

All the terrible geography and lack of travel time is a rotten staple of Bad Reboot writing. They did the same thing in Star Trek Into Darkness, where the Enterprise can somehow warp from Kronos to Earth in a couple minutes, and then in the next scene go from being in orbit around the Moon to falling into Earth's gravity well.

God that Southlands to Mordor text transition was so cringe

Wouldnt be surprised in the slightest if the whole situation with deeznutz telling her husband he should be the dwarven king was the writers scalping off Macbeth

Fringy laughing at the Southlands Mordor text transition sounds like the predator laugh

80-90% of this show feels like delay, their logic for this is most likely because "Game of thrones had hour long episodes, so an episode is good if it goes on for an hour"

I read an interview with the showrunners where the "is Celeborn dead" thing came up and how it would affect the canon, which we know they care nothing about and so we can completely disregard the show and lore. One of them replied very vaguely that C might be alive - a sort of "who knows". Also: I am wizard, hear me roar. Man, I can't wait for the triumphant harfoot reunion in season 5. It's gonna harken back to Star Wars: Return of the Jedi except there'll be, like, *one* tall person.

If this show lasts until 2032 then we definitely live in the darkest timeline.

The Harfoots are good example of what a society created by sheltered college children looks like. It reminds me of that joke in Rick and Morty where the "enlightened" female society of Gazorpians set up such a brutal, simple and somehow at the same time unnecessarily complicated execution device. It's one born of a great misunderstanding and a severe lack of perspective of just what sort of tribulations go into society crafting and one that could only exist inside a bubble.

Harfoots being like fainting goats is a better idea than anything that actually appeared in the show.

After watching many of your vids and taking the deepest lessons to heart, I came to genuinely respect your passion for storytelling and knowledge of how it should be done. I agree with your emphasis on well-written, believable characters that you can enjoy going on a journey with. And the deepest, most fundamental aspects of your criticism have inspired me to finally do something. Something I knew I wasn’t ready for when I first imagined it. For the last 20 years, I have written roughly 1 million words for friends and family, with the simple purpose of earning adequate skill at storytelling. I honed my writing, and even ultimately benefited from deep, painful personal struggles, so that I could finally tell a specific short story. It complements and builds up one of your favorite films. And, incidentally, it also showcases many examples of genuine masculinity displayed in a variety of ways. Further, I feel it sets a very high bar for what respectful, quality “fanfiction” should strive to be. Upholding a beloved work. Understanding it, valuing it, and forgiving any supposed flaws. Contributing a modest addition to someone else’s great legacy. Underscoring and deepening the arc of an already beloved character. Teaching the same positive lessons with the same noble themes, in a slightly different way. Honoring the work, the creator of that work, and all those who have come to love it for what it is. I strove to keep it focused, purposeful, limiting it to just 22,000 words. It may not be perfect, but it certainly tries to be. I hope you will consider giving it a read. Based on what you’ve shown everyone of your true self (behind your hilarious outward persona), I believe you will approve of these efforts. You may be uplifted and proud for having put forth the time to read it. And you will then enjoy going back to watch your favorite trilogy yet again, perhaps getting even more out of the experience. The tale is humbly posted, amidst countless others, on fanfiction.net, under the title “The Children of Rohan,” by WillDreamer.

"Nothing can redeem you!" Yeah that's a message Tolkien would have really agreed with. (>ლ)

I had the exact same reaction as Fringy when "SOUTHLANDS" burned away into "MORDOR" at the end of the episode: I lost it. Cracked up in maniacal laughter. Cus I thought the same thing Mauler expected... Adar is gonna lock eyes with the camera and declare "it's Mordor"... and then was impressed they didn't. There episodes of those 80s cartoons made just to sell the toys that are better written than Rings of Power. Glow-Worms. Go-Bots. Biker Mice From Mars. RoP got nothing on them.

The moment galadriel cant resist saurons mind probe.. but pippin could. Good man pippin !

Durin: "We demand a shrubbery!"

Rings of Power is the show that proves that, no mater how much money you get to make the show you still need a good script to back it up!

I see a lot of people complaining about "Tolkien being betrayed". While I understand Tolkien's fans disapointment, ​ the show not respecting the lore is, somehow, the least of its problems. It's like what happened with Star Wars 8 : people saying it was a bad Star Wars instead of saying it was a bad movie. The timeline is fucked, story doesn't work, the world-building, the characters, the dialogue and the action scenes are in a contest to see who can be the worst. It's one of my pet peeves because focusing on the lore allows the defenders of those shows/movies/... to say stuff like "you're just mad because this character isn't like your nerdy ass wanted". No, I'm mad because all of this is an insult to story writing and none of those who made it will aknowledge their failure nor will they seek to better themselves.

The thumbnail of this video is a gift from the gods.

I'm a woman, I DON'T feel empowered by this Galadriel. She's embarrassing and offensive. I also don't need fictional characters to define me, the idea is bizarre. I'm Australian, I'm not confined to a burka.

I just realised something. Women are always right. The sea is always right. Therefore, the sea is a woman!

The feeling of passage of time is also very reliant on your lifestyle. When I've been unemployed for a long time and had nothing productive to do, weeks could go by much quicker than I realized.

Just now listening to this and something about the elves deal bugged me. Unlimited meat, wood and grain for 500 years for mythril access. The dwarves would be stupid to take that deal because, if the elves left or died off, those resources will be there, free for the taking.

All this book lore discussion in connection with this atrocity of a show finally pushed me to look into ordering the books. So I guess there's some good to Rangs of Powah?

It’s weird that Galadriel didn’t question Halbrand how the volcano stabbed him in the tummy... granted he’s Sauronbrand and he was a big ole faker.. but Galadriel is a Karen and I’m so pleased that Sauron made her upsetty spaghetti. 😤🍝

10 years from now, we will look back and realize that every writer in media was a legit narcissist. And that’s why none of it will be remembered.

If Gandalf wasn’t Sauron then why was the fire around him cold just like the evil fire? Is “good” fire harmless as well? Does only neutral fire burn? I know it was a red herring, but you still have to stay within your own rules, writers.

One does not simply let the audience infer Mordor. 🤣

Gil-Galad was right about one thing: Galadriel DID, in pursuit of her quest, stir up the evil she sought to destroy.

Galadriel: "Enemy Lance, six days ago." Halbrand: "Who, what, when? I was perfectly fine for the post-battle celebration. Remember? When you and that Queen told everybody I was their long lost king? Without consulting me about said announcement? *I* got stabbed by a volcano."

Thanks!

3:40:28 God. That's such a bad argument. Why do people make it unironically? "Oh it's just a [insert genre]. Why do you care?" It's like they are admitting they actually don't give a shit about the plot or the characters or even the world and they're just watching the movie/show to see moving colors and hear noises. Normal people care because it's shit. Plain and simple. People want to become invested in stories and the best way to do that is immersion. Immersion requires "realism". Just not by our world's definition. It requires realism inside the setting itself. If the logical chain of "if X is true, then Y is true" is unbroken, we can understand the characters, the world and the events forming the plot and therefore we can form an emotional bond to those things. EDIT: I wonder if it's because these people are under the false impression that feelings and logic are two polar opposites...? As if a lot of emotions couldn't be broken down to that logical chain: because we think the teddy bear looks cute, we like it. Because we like the teddy bear, we don't want it to get damaged. If the teddy bear is damaged, we may feel sad and seek to repair it at a cost to ourselves.

the little platoon is an excellent attribution to efap

It's just great how Amazon boiled down the friendship of the elves and dwarves of eregion and kazad dum down to just 2 bros durin and elrond

Please do an EFAP for Cosmonaut Vocal-Fry-ety Hour's new video, unironically titled " *She Hulk is Fine - You Guys Are Just Being Dumb* "

to clarify what Lil Platoon was talking about at 5:05 about lore, Elrond was alive in 2nd age, he was born 100-50 years before end of 1st age, when rings are made (~1600 SA) he would be well established elf lord, he is somewhat distand cousin of Gil-Galad and grand-grandson of the last High-King of the elves so at the begening he would be just some scribe that would be permited to go to meeting of elves lords

I think what Nori was trying to tell Gandalf was, “Only you can prevent Forest Fires”. ~Smokey the Bear Or in the UK it’s a frog? Or did Mitch Hedberg lie to me?