Bill bur, doesn’t like the killing of innocent storm troopers, his friends and family. He then proceeds to kill an entire base of innocent storm troopers. So he’s just like finn
The only reason I can think is because these guys stayed loyal after the empire fell, so they are not equivalent to some idealistic farm boy who bought into the whole, 'empire brings order' propaganda.
@@parkergroseclose6956 yeah they are likely grunts who didnt know anything else who stuck with the guys who paid their salary and didnt literally kill them (or treat them with the same hostility) for simply serving the empire. I can imagine a portion are literally stuck with the empire because they are branded empire
@@parkergroseclose6956 Bill burr actually establishes in this episode they are though, when he talks about how everywhere someone rules, and people who grew up on alderaan believed something different than people who grew up elsewhere
Perspective from a military vet here that actually drove armored vehicles in convoys. 1. The TIE fighters would NEVER have started their strafing run in front of their allies that are transporting an extremely volatile compound. That is far beyond danger close. 2. They would have a QRF (Quick Response Force) on standby for situations like this. 3. They would have alternate routes set up for situations like this. 4. They would have security set up at the start of the bridge and not at the end by their compound. That gives them time to neutralize the enemy rather than having to run out to the end of the bridge to fight them off. 5. They would have provided aerial support as soon as 90% of their transports got destroyed and would have guided the last remaining transport back or would have told them to standby until a QRF could reach them and provide security. The Empire isn’t a military, but rather a bunch of inept people playing soldier.
I disagree with rags. With the technology shown in Star Wars there are 100% better ways to deliver explosives bigger than that mortar shell. Like gungans just fucking threw big blue energy bombs and they did more than those mortars. Standard issue clone rocket launchers fire a similar sized payload to the mortar in a not stupid trajectory. They have spaceships with weapons that can provide area denial with weapons on the ship
I'm very disappointed in EFAP's criticisms. Despite all your nitpicking, you forgot the biggest one of all, Baby Yoda being trained at the temple and being able to force heal in season 1 confirms that the Jedi knew about it and didn't tell Anakin. Also here's 5 bucks, now change the entire front of my car random fish man.
Its because Anakin chose the Jedi Sentinel class instead of the Jedi consular which is the only one with heal as a spell, so really its Qui Gon's fault for not explaining the meta
@@Onmur no excuse. Obi wan had the "eternally blueballed" debuff whenever he was on mandalore and he was able to keep pace. Anakin needs to learn his combo better
The only sense I can see in it is that in a system that simply uses access keys, or whatever they called it, that requiring someone to have their face scanned prevents you from using someone else's key without having an image of your face attached to whatever you searched.
Lol that's so true. EFAP were just talking about how interesting it would be to characterize enemy combatants, and the scene ends with Bill indiscriminately killing as many of the guys who were cheering for him moments ago.
He’s obviously ex-Imperial and no longer believes. Besides that, they were his comrades that he’s pissed died. You care more for people you serve next to compared to random other soldier
- Drives a shaky ground vehicle instead of flying there - The delivery route is known to be dangerous - the vehicle doesn't have canons or external guns - Future laser gun runs out of ammo - Bill Burr the fugitive and just walks around with his helmet off - A scanner that unlocks if it scans A FACE - any face - "Hey... you two are suspicious because our convoys usually gets destroyed!" This show was either written by a kid, or an adult who should really be ashamed of himself.
Add this one to the list: Gina Carano takes Bill Burr with her from prison. Her explanation for letting him go is, "Far as everyone is concerned, Bill Burr died on the base when it blew up". But they leave him right there. On the mountainside, right next to the base that blew up. To walk around on foot. Why leave it so Bill Burr pops up in the vicinity of the base where he's supposed to have died? Even if he needs food, shelter and transport, he's not wearing a helmet. Even if he has to steal transport, his face is in the open. Anyone seeing him again, is a lose end. If not on a different planet, just drop him off in a different corner of the planet you are on.
There seem to be an awful lot of various stormtrooper types just walking around the base that could've been useful on the transports instead of just having a driver and a passenger.
Okay... here we go. We don't know how well funded this imperial group is so they probably can't just buy hover tech and most imperial vehicles don't have hover tech. - judging from their surroundings their isn't really a better way into the base so they take this one and it is meant to be a transport, it doesn't have the space for more troopers or cannons. - all weapons will run out of ammo or jam, its a feature of the weapon and has been show in other star wars media that weapons have ammo packs - Mayfeld isnt a fugitive because a marshal of the New Republic took him from prison and the droid guards let her and as he said the last time he was an imp was ' a long time ago ' so the imperials wouldn't recognise his face - yes. As Mayfeld says the base is run by ex ISB and scans the new Republic database and will refuse access if you see in said database. Mayfeld isn't a soldier and Mando always has his helmet on - is it now suspicious for troopers to do what they are supposed to?
@@Thundertron5 Okay... here we go. 1) True, we don't know much about this base at all, but hovertech is shown to be possessed by the lowliest of people in this galaxy. It doesn't seem to be expensive tech. Everyone has it. True, the empire has a bunch of walker type vehicles. They also have a bunch of hover transports. The best thing that you can say here is just "They have what they have for some reason." 2) I don't know what routes are available to them, so it's fair to say this is the best route. However, it's wrong to say that they don't have room for more troopers or canons. Canons/turrets/whatever are things that are mounted on the outside. There's plenty of room for that. If there's no room for more troops on the inside, there's, again, still room for more troops. Maybe not initially, but if the locals are known for blowing these things up (maybe they had hover vehicles that got blown up?) There's plenty of room on top to have some troops ready to protect the top access. (if there was no opposition until this very day, that's just incredibly convenient/bad luck, I guess.) 3) "A long time ago" was recent enough that he still recognizes people and his chip still works. I'm pretty sure that OP was saying he's a fugitive of the Empire for deserting. And, yes, he's the only non-officer walking around with his helmet off. And people may not recognize him, but someone would remember who the driver was that actually went out on a run that day. 4) Yes. And that's ridiculous. Why would it scan just to see that you have a face? There's untold numbers of people in the galaxy. They aren't going to be able to identify all of them. They should certainly be able to identify their own soldiers that are stationed at that base. Or match the chip to the face of the person that should be in possession of it, even if it's a face that's stored on the chip, itself. The way it works here is wrong in so many ways. I skipped the points that I agree with.
Nah, it actually was written by the academic (and superior than anyone else) mind that is Favreu (and sometimes, the underrated Filoni helps in this masterpiece) Y'all just aren't sensitive enough to understand the symbiotic struggle that the writers and characters share ... Seriously now, the writers may have 60% of the blame considering story/world-building, with 39% being that MANY directors that surely damage the show and 1% Disney (just because)
Imagine if the storm troopers on base had exposed faces and personalities. Imagine if the commander had regret about his command decisions and wanted to keep serving to honour the dead's sacrifices, or some sort of character besides "Badman knows he evil". Imagine any sort of nuance in this show.....You'll keep having to, because the writers and fans don't give a shit.
I can potentially give the writers a “minor” pass on that one as from what I’ve heard Disney has a strict edict that states: Good guys must always be good Bad guys must always be bad This is what completely ruins a lot of Disney’s Star Wars stuff because there is zero nuisance. We no longer get the Rouge Squadron novels that showed both good and honourable imperial pilots and officers as well as scummy rebels. Well never get a storm trooper story. The view from an everyday person serving in the imperial military - the most we get is from the Rouge Squadron game and even then... it’s not much.
@@reecedignan8365 True, makes me concerned for Thrawn and Pellaeon because what Timothy Zahn did was he placed the Empire in a new light as well as the Rebels/New Republic.
Can you imagine that Bill burr, instead of killing his old commander, racked by the loss of his friends and other troopers leaves the base. He is plagued by the guilt, but he knows that he is going to work to save those folks that were like him. Giving Carano an insight into an empire soldier, and the audience, that they are not just killers -- that they have humanity. Instead, Burr ends up killing a bunch of troopers and justifying what his old commander just said; i.e. the greater good.
Disney doesn’t have the nuance or care to do a story like this. They did the same thing with Finn. Apparently they don’t think a character can have any moral dilemma. If its not simple black and white, good vs bad, then Disney isn’t here for it I guess
49:09 that's one of the dumbest Star Wars moments I ever witnessed. Those pirates are literally committing suicide running against blaster fire with nothing else than sticks and grenades. How stupid can they be?
@@sparkypack It's too bad that nothing more is shown regarding the state of their economy and technology to know if said pirates are either stupid or desperate. Or both. But regardless, they still took out transport vehicles with their limited capabilities. So it's not as if their efforts were totally in vain.
@@mcihay246 18:43 so you have to change what I said in order to respond? Common sense would be to retreat against so many guys with blasters, no matter what.
It's funny how super deathrobots would actually be fitting final opponents for Mando (with his childhood and all). Him defeating the Deathtroopers could've been part of some character arc were he overcomes he's childhood trauma with droids. I would even go so far and say it would be neat to see him save Baby Yoda from the robots, thereby mimicking the Mandalorians that saved him from robots when he was a child. It could've worked really well with his character. You know, in a good show, where they actually gave enough of a shit to grant Mando a character.
Imagine a baby Goku PoV where hes being terrorized by droids and Mando saves him in a visually similar manner to his own rescue. Like framing and everything matching what we saw in his flashes of it
"Oh no the emperor is dead! Quick destroy the remaining loyalists planets with all the troops and vital war factories on." It doesn't even make sense when you consider the people doing it made up the first order. They destroy all their bases and then decide to try and recapture the galaxy. WTF.
@@bengale9977 But what if just hear me out. It was so Palps could get all new free real estate to build some wacky ass new palaces and wonder weapons? Maybe a palace called the "The Creamy Sheev"?
I liked how Bill got so pissed of at his officer for using his unit as cannon fodder and letting them die, that he shot him. Like he understands they are people under the stormtrooper armor and they have lives too an interesting perspective and really caring about the other side reminding that they are people too. But then he blows up the base and kills everyone ... What a 180
Eh he did it to prevent the rhydonium (I have no idea how to spell that lol) from being used on even more people. I would have done the same thing after hearing what the officer said. Except I would gave missed the cycler rifle shot and fell off the Slave 1 when Fett spun it around
@@SangheiliSpecOp I would have likely done the same, but I would have expected nearly crippling guilt about it from someone wholly invested in the "they are people, too" mentality. However, Bill Burr didn't even recognize that he just butchered 10s if not 100s of people who are innocent in his worldview.
The Dark Trooper hitting Din in the Helmet like that should have killed him IMMEDIATELY, Din’s spine should be snapped in half, his head should be dislodged from his neck, even WITH Beskar. Warhammers and trauma inflicting weapons counter plate armour. The sheer force of the impact would break the man inside’s skeleton even if it doesn’t damage the armour. The human body cannot withstand that force. And those Dark Trooper Phase III’s hit HARD. The impact and force is enough to kill the man inside without damaging the armour itself. Shad will not be able to defend that, he should tear it to shreds. TRAUMA AND FORCE IS WHAT COUNTERS ARMOUR, WTF FILONI? And did you guys see how hard those Dark Trooper Phase III’s hit? Waaaayyy harder than a Medieval Knight using a Warhammer to kill a man in full plate.
I cant believe this entire series was conceived, funded, written, produced, directed and edited by Joel Miller. Somebody really needs to stop him with some sort of club-like weapon...
33:35 Ah yes, Jango Fett. The guy who was cloned enough to make the *entirety of the republic clone army.* How could anyone possibly remember that guy?
I do have to back up Rags on the point of a mortar being reasonable for the Stormtroopers to have. An indirect fire support platform capable of being moved around without large mechanized equipment is extremely useful. Given that they’re light weight, simple to use, and cheap to manufacture it does make sense that an assault team would have them. Though the oddity is that they don’t have more of those mortars in that assault despite having a second assault team coming from the second drop ship.
Why use mortars and weapon emplacements when you are attacking 3 people when you have iron man dark troopers, 2 dropships with cannons that could serve the purpose of direct fire support, and finally A FUCKING SPACESHIP.
My problem is that the mortar guy disappear after is second shot and we never see him after. He never fire, run or get kill afterwards. He simply disappear.
Bill Burr asks "So is the rule that you can't take off your helmet, or is it that you can't show your face?" Isn't this the sort of thing the show should address? You have a random character ask a question the audience may be thinking but there isn't an answer for it. Bill Burr is just pointing out that the show isn't telling the audience anything about the rules.
Its that Marvel thing... Self-awareness of the problem and making one joke about it somehow erases said problem in their books. I like the idea of never taking your helmet off. But its not set up well at all. And my gosh, Pedro Pascal does a better job with his helmet off. At least you can see what Mando is thinking and reacting to rather than a droid monotone voice. Its not super-amazing. But for ten seconds you can see Pedro Pascal tense as Bill Burr provokes the general in the cafeteria. He wants Burr to stop but he will have to support him if guns go off. For ten seconds there's SOME tension and emotion from Mando. Even though it breaks the character.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 Well, there's good and bad. In the good Marvel films there actually are rules, even if some of them have to be inferred. The bad Marvel films, like Antman, establish their rules and then pretend like they're being creative by breaking those rules. And there's something like Age of Ultron that refuses to have any rules for Scarlet Witch and just says, "Her powers are weird." So she's capable of doing basically anything the plot requires.
Agreed. Some of the Marvel movies do it well. But some others, it just doesn't work. Age of Ultron being the biggest example of how throwaway lines are used as a defense/excuse to say "yeah, we don't know either. But just enjoy the rest of the movie."
They do enjoy the show, just not because of good writing but for the fun of ripping it apart. It's really stupid. But it's stupid fun. It's just amazing how stupid it is for a Disney Star Wars production that is hyped as the saviour of Star Wars.
@@Bannschwert Yeah, man, so stupid. Like them ripping apart the fact that Cara Dune didn't like seeing Mando in a stormtrooper outfit. Man, I sure do wonder why a former rebellion drop trooper wouldn't like storm troopers, it's so hard to figure out.
@@sj4iy That's not what they were saying. EFAP doesn't understand why she would say it doesn't look good on him when it actually does look good on him. Yes, _I_ know that she's talking about the fact he's wearing 'bad guy' armor, but the suit doesn't look too bad either.
In Kotor 2, there is a minor side quest on Dxun where you help a Mandalorian (go figure), whose weapon ran out of ammo. His rifle energy cell ran out of juice and his backups were eaten by beasts. "“Blaster rifles don't use much energy, and their energy cells last a long time. How often have you had to change ammo?”" - That lost Mandalorian.
Bill's character is mad that the empire sacrificed tons of troopers for a mission and broke apart so many families, so it only makes sense for his character to go on a murdering spree in an imperial facility and then blow it up killing tons of troopers. I see they consulted Neil Druckmann when writing this episode.
Jet Pack - If the story required Mando not being able to use his jet pack then there were better ways of making that happen. They could have had the combat start and Mando go "I need to get back to the child". He turns on the jet pack, gets into the air and a team of Stormies that were flanking them straddle him with fire and Mando takes one in the jetpack. Mando falls to ground, swears, kills the Stormies while laying on the ground in some badarse looking way. He gets to his feet, tries to jet pack (which sparks so the viewers clearly understand), looks at the distance he still needs to cover to Baby Psycho, swears again, and runs back into the fight. But... Writing is Hard.
My idea: In Episode 5, he could just have a throwaway comment to Asoka, or an observation to himself, that his jetpack is low on fuel. Then a quick explanation that he doesn't have the time or funds to refuel it right now because it's a specialized fuel. Then it runs out in Episode 6 when he needs to get to Grogo. And if you want him to get his jetback back in Episode 7, you could just say Boba had some on his ship.
21:17 Oh my god, Mauler is actually disagreeing with Rags?! He's finally being brave and standing up to his tyranny? Could this mark the beginning of an EFAP uprising to overthrow the cruel clutches of its despotic doggo overlord? Rise, my massives, rise!
I seriously laughed when they arived at the base and the Music soared triumphantly as the empire mowed down the local rebelling tribes-people that were trying to disrupt their operation (i.e. doing something good). Completely tone deaf.
The mind blowing part of the episode was they needed Burr to access the imperial database which has its own problems because you think it would declare him AWOL or no longer serving, but they completely forget that when Mando was gonna access it because the whole reason they needed him to come was because he wasn’t on any imperial database but his face accessed the terminal anyway. Also in RO they needed to access a fortress vault to find death star plans and to find the flagship of one of your Moffs all you need is a random face at a random terminal in a officers mess.
I find it interesting that Rogue One retconned the death star so that its weak spot that destroys the entire thing is sabotage rather than a feature of it's design. Now, between Rise of Skywalker's death cannons and the fuel shot in this episode, including a spot that can destroy the entire thing when hit seems to be the standard operating procedure for Imperial resources. I mean come on! I would also like to note that in the original trilogy there was at least some consistency that explained why certain vehicles had hover technology while others had legs. The things that had legs were always heavily armored vehicles while the hover tech was used for speeders. One could infer that the armor is just too heavy for hover tech. Of course that's thrown out the window when the prequels introduced hover tanks making that point moot, not to mention the random stuff the sequel content has thrown at us. Sigh.
Idk about the hover tanks. Other than one used in the Clone Wars by the clones, the heavy ones (MTTs) are all droid only. Maybe a power limitation, or radiation?
Wow - Gina elbows one of the helmeted drivers in the helmet and doesn't flinch. I want to know what skin care she uses because she doesn't even get a scratch on her bare elbows. Why does the plan need Robo-Sniper to visually confirm that Bill Burr and Mando are in the transport? She breaks radio silence to make her report, so why couldn't Gina radio that in? Also, if all the mooks want to do is blow up the transport with explosives, why didn't they just mine the roadway? Or used the speeders to fly in front and drop grenades in the transport's path? I hate this show.
My opinion on the episode before watching EFAP: This episode was alright until Bill Burr guy shot the officer for NOUGH reason. The scene with the stormtroopers cheering for Mando is the best scene in the show. It shows that stormtroopers are people too, and that at this point the Empire is just a bunch of soldiers trying to survive the best they can while being attacked from all sides. Too bad they had to completely ruin it immediately by having Mando and the guy slaughter all of them like animals. This episode actually pissed me off more than anything else in mandalorian by how tone-deaf it is.
See I liked it at first too, we got to see the Mando actually fight instead of being shown up by stronk wimmin like every other episode, we got to see the empire as more human and desperate, we even saw Mando show some goddamn spine and desperation. BUT THEN OH MAN GOTTA BE A DUMBASS and it became about as meh as every other episode. Stormtroopers are never shown to be even slightly a threat so why bother with all the trouble?
I think at that point it was just kill or be killed. Ol' Billy Blaster cares about his brothers in arms but not more than number 1! In all seriousness I do wish that had him mention something about feeling guilty for watching more stormtroopers die.
I mean, in Operation: Cinder, No one besides the higher ups of the Empire knew what was up while here, do you expect anyone to not know what was going on? They're transporting very volitle and explosive stuff while also hiding from the New Republic. You would have to be completely clueless to not think you wouldn't be using this stuff to blow something up.
Ah yes he shot the emotionally manipulative guy who clearly doesn't give a fuck about all the lives he has killed, and is actively planning to kill more people... for NO REASON!
Remember when Bill Burr said that he wasn't trained to aim like a stormtrooper? Considering that stormtroopers have shot Mando over 50 times in the series, does that mean that Bill Burr can one shot Mando if he tried?
@@SGK1206 imperial blasters have a stun function shown to be very effective. could have used that if he cared. but i was more specifically refering to the sniper shot that essentially blows up the base, and if not atleast blows up a ton of low level maintaince and supply crews
Based off the latter half of the discussion, I would love to see you guys write a sort of pitch episode for Mando or your own Star Wars property. Seeing how talented and huge the EFAP fan base is, I don't think it'd be too difficult to find some animators and voice actors and write up a sketch because man... you guys know your stuff when it comes to characterization and writing and I would love to see what you guys would come up with.
@@ollybirkbeck8888 I'm being genuine dude... I'm a big fan of the show and would love to see MauLer, Rags, Fringy, and co work on a fan project of some sort. I think if they all worked together on a story, it would turn out really cool and I would love to see some of their ideas fully fleshed out.
@@batnick10 I agree. Being a good critic is one thing, but being able to back it up with some of your own content is another. With how much of a perfectionist mauler is, I would love to see some actual short animated films from the efap crew with mauler at the helm. Even if it was just a full length 'properly done' mando season 1 pitch or something
This episode was terrible, the worst thing that stuck out for me was the fact that the writers realized their protagonist wasn’t wearing his blaster resistant armor anymore so the enemies now only use sticks 😂
What Mauler doesnt understand is that the incompetence of stormtroopers in all avenues of basic warfare and fire fights is actually the theme of something or another Idk maybe - bigideas 171 bt (before tonald)
People can say what they want about the overall incompetence of stormtroopers in the OT, but in that opening of New Hope they MASSACRE those rebels. Threat established.
Those "pirates" seem more like angry natives with stolen vehicles and grenades. From the weapons to the fact that they're trying to destroy the cargo, not capture it.
When I first heard about Mando, here I was thinking that we'd get a protagonist with dubious morals, someone whose caustic and suspicious, and over time we'd get more tidbits of his true nature. But no, he's a big Yoda-daddy cupcake. And he gets along with all the villagers in 1x04, even though that would've been a great opportunity for the script to have him to be standoffish, spooked by the attention from the kids and that one woman that wants to sit on his helmet. that one woman that wants him to make some clones with her that one woman who wants him to show her the way that one woman who wants him to farm her shrimp
@@pyerack This was an opportunity to somewhat "redo" the sequels. Like 5 years after Endor is the perfect time to do it and it's also when Thrawn comes back and attacks the New Republic (Legends). Like Good vs Bad is just bland now, Disney is so afraid to have a Grey area to both sides. Just the first 30 mins of Rogue One even though for others it's mediocre it is still good because it showed the reality of war. Yes, SW is crazy the Force, wizards etc. but, making the space battles a bit realistic and it's characters more compelling is great. Have a mix of that. Reason why the Thrawn Trilogy is great because it gave us that. The Empire is still there and like any Empires in our world it doesn't go down immediately. Even if George back then wants to create more SW content it changed with Timothy Zahn and future stories. Having the Jedi and Sith a middle ground. Not just light is good and dark bad. It's just the same with WoW.
All enemies in this episode conveniently use melee weapons to set up the fact that Mando can Oberyn Martell for the season finale fight against Gus with the Darksaber
Those four guys reacting to the seismic bomb going off... That was just sad. I guess this is really all it takes to make some people happy. Really had the same energy as that guy who cried watching the TRoS trailer. Also, glad to see Shad on Efap again. It was good seeing someone who enjoys the show, but can see the huge flaws in it.
Unironically it 100% is almost identical to that TRoS guy crying his eyes out when the soundtrack played and he saw Jedi doing flips and he saw Leia and he saw the Death Star Wreckage and Chewy doing his iconic growling and the Millenium Falcon flying through Hyperspace and Lando doing a giddy chortle while finally being back in the Falcon. Just because it's cool to hate the sequels (and I know how cringe that sounds in a vacuum considering how many times that's said in defense of them) doesn't mean that the not-sequel Disney stuff is amazing. Like seriously, what is the difference between the Death Star wreckage and Boba Fett's seismic charge? What's the difference between seeing Lando flying the Millenium Falcon and seeing Boba Fett flying Slave One? What's the difference between hearing Palpatine's laugh in the trailer and seeing Boba Fett's fucking knee rockets. The same goes for Luke Skywalker in the next episode by the way. People will rightfully mock people like the guy who reacted to all that stuff in the TRoS trailer (fucking hell he was struggling to breathe) and then jizz themselves when they see Luke Skywalker's X-Wing and using his green lightsaber. I'm well aware of how this sentiment is used _in defense_ of the sequels and it's 100% a fallacy in that regard, but people actually do need to be told sometimes that it's not a problem in the sequels because it's cool to hate the sequels.
It's funny that Shad is a weapons expert and could probably kill you very easily with the right sword and minimal effort, yet he sounds like the type of person who works at the Apple Store and will fix your IPhone.
You think that’s weird? Listen to the actual voice of General Patton and try to associate it with the badass general that saw a plane diving towards him and just drew his pistol and shot at it rather than cower. The man who defeated the greatest tank commander of ww2 and was one of the hardest bastards of his era. Yet when you hear that voice you’d never think that was his voice.
I'd liked the Empire from Wener Herzog's perspective in season 1 better. "We brought stability, trade, order. Everyone flourished under the Empire." I don't like that they strayed so far from the true believers who saw the good that came about from having law and order in the galaxy, even if a minority of people had to suffer for it. They could have played with the dangerous freedom versus stable order angle, but I don't think they are intelligent enough to understand the concept, much less write it.
1:11:44 -- Shields disrupt repulsorlifts. If you're going to be passing through shields, you need wheels or legs. The Empire used AT-ATs during the Battle of Hoth because of the Rebel base's shield generator, which they had to pass through and get inside of before they could attack the generator itself. It's the same reason why the battle droids went into the gungan shield on foot to fight them during the Battle of Naboo, instead of driving their AATs into the shield. I guess the wheeled transports in this episode regularly pass through shields as part of their routine. Or maybe wheeled transports are cheaper to build and operate for a now-resource-strapped Empire. Believe me, I don't want to be defending this show. But this is a thing.
@@Сайтамен Maybe at the base, or at some processing center (to keep potential accidental explosions in, instead of keeping enemies out), or at checkpoints, or somewhere else. My point was just that there is occasionally a reason to use legged or wheeled transports in the Star Wars setting, contrary to what Shad was saying.
Oh my gosh, listening to Mauler, Rags and the gang talk about what could happen "I hope they keep Bill Burr on" and "Oh man what if they humanize the imperials" just hurts knowing what is going to happen like, five minutes after they say it. This show....
My theory is that the tie fighters were aiming for the truck. Which would be smart for the empire, as they can't hit anything they aim for now, so they would hit the bad guys instead.
They're called pirates because if they were called rebels, we would have to feel bad that mando and co. killed any of them. As pirates, we can all sleep easy knowing only imps and pirates died. /kappa
Showing that clip from Blind Wave at 57:39 was very fitting. They're the type of people who this show appeals to. The ones who will literally clap at anything.
Burr's got some decent acting chops too. Maybe it comes from being a comedian with his style, he essentially does the same thing in his comedy only in a less dramatic, more cynical tone.
And when the evil Rags left, a great burden was lifted from the toxic brood. Celebrations were held, kittens were held, and joy returned to the galaxy. But then, like a dark cloud of hatred, he returned and the fear came with him.
Hold up, Boba Fett never shot anyone in the original trilogy! All he did was track the Millennium Falcon to Cloud City on Bespin and turn them in to the authorities for a fee, just like bounty hunters do in real life! Boba just wanted money, he did never and would never put himself in harm's way intentionally. That's why it took an accidental surprise attack by a blinded Han, whom Boba reasonably assumed to be harmless, to finally take Boba down after he spent an entire movie always just out of the heros' grasp. I understand why Leia fired those few futile blaster shots at Boba's ship; he is one aggravatingly dodgy opponent on top of having the love of her life with him. Am I just having a reverse Mandela Effect here? I swear that Boba never shot anyone in the original trilogy. He wants to be hidden, that's why he always wears a mask, same reason that Vader, Lando, and Leia wore masks during the times that they wore full-face-covering masks. Edit: Yes, that one time Boba did a jetpack charge was dumb and out-of-character, same problem with Jango Fett in the prequels. Otherwise he was played like a rational bounty hunter which indubitably made the movies better.
Ok so everyone missed it and I'm gonna give them a brake because storm troopers suddenly becoming good shots is stunning. At 49:14 the alien in the center throws a grenade just before dying and it lands right in front of all the storm troopers....... But it doesn't explode because it would have killed them all and ruined the scene they were setting. Heavily armored, high tech transport truck built to haul volatile material is not only NOT a hover vehicle, it is instantly defeated by stone spears. Also Also if their only weapons are fucking stone spears WHY DOES EVERYONE HAVE THERMAL DETONATORS?!!! And where the fuck did they get all their super fast hover barges? Also HE FUCKING DROPPED A SONIC MINE ON AN INHABITED PLANET!!! That would have cut into the fucking tectonic plate and caused MASSIVE DESTRUCTION!!! Clap for things we remember guys and just ignore all the bullshit in between. Clap and buy Disney products!
I love Bill Burr but instead of trying to shoot him by awkwardly angling his gun out of the window, the stormtrooper could've just pushed or swept his arm under Bill's legs and pushed him to his doom.
Wtf is everything imperial crap? Troopers are dumb. Armor breaks in one hit by a stick. Vehicles will wheels carrying violative material.. i can't believe people think this show is good Edit: oh the empire didn't miss once in this entire show when it's not the heroes. Ugh
The Empire took control of the galaxy but seem to lose every fight they participate in. It's become so bad that in season 1 Bill Burr's character is aware that Stormtroopers are notoriously bad shots. This show is doing real damage to the image of stormtroopers.
So far Bill Burr has been the BEST thing about Mandolorian (writing for what his character is forced to do, aside). Dude is a stand up comedian who can actually act. Very underrated, and I'd actually like to see him in more things.
Everyone else is kind of mugging for the fans, like they're aware of it. But Burr is playing himself, but *in* the SW universe. So its far more likeable and real, even though we know he's Bill Burr.
I was hoping the whole sequel trilogy would have been like this episode, in the sense of a pov of the empire and it's remnants. And they were constantly being attacked and raided by the New Republic, constantly on the run.
So I didn't even realize this until like 1:50:00 but they never even address that Bill bur could be a double agent like they all just trust him when he's like " let's go to this imperial base mando" "you have to take off your armor Mando" "oh no we're surrounded Mando" and yet no one ever even raises a brow or bats an eye it's really weird that they fully trust him out of nowhere
I agree with Mauler about the mortar, I think the thing that makes it not make sense is its inclusion in the context of the universe. If they shoot a gun they shoot a SPACE gun with lasers, if they fight with a sword it's a SPACE laser sword, if they drive a motorcycle it's a SPACE motorcycle that floats and has laser guns ect. That they whip out a regular ass mortar is really... odd. Yes, the weapon would be useful, but as it was presented in this universe it was out of place.
Regarding the discussion around the 5:00 mark: 1) The “blasters” in Star Wars fire plasma, which is superheated ionized gas. Its temperature and chemical properties (corrosiveness) are what cause damage (rather than the mechanical damage caused by traditional ballistic weaponry). 2) If I remember correctly, they are called “cohesive bolts” of plasma in Star Wars lore, aptly named because of the fact that they do not dissipate once they leave the barrel. This concept of “cohesive” plasma technology - plasma that does not immediately dissipate once it leaves the (presumably) magnetic chamber of its weapon - is also necessary for the Predator’s “plasma caster” and the plasma-based weaponry in the Halo franchise. 3) I am unsure of whether the “ammunition” packs include the gas to be ionized (meaning that they are very small high-pressure gas-tanks whose gases are depleted with each shot), or they are just the battery packs to operate the blasters (meaning that the blasters can only operate by superheating and ionizing environmental gases to which the weapons are exposed, which means that they would not work in vacuums). 4) What has always bothered me about sci-fi plasma weaponry like this, other than the assumption of “cohesiveness” being achieved by some mystery technology**, is the unexplainable tendency of the plasma projectiles to maintain their initial muzzle-velocities, during the entirety of their flights despite being floaty balls (or “bolts”… whatever shape you choose) of gas that are moving much slower than bullets (plasma projectiles in Star Wars, Halo, Predator, etc… seem to usually travel under 500fps by my judgment). Given their floaty nature (they continue traveling straight/with no arched trajectory), they must not be very dense (which is consistent with their being gas instead of solid), but air resistance seems to have no effect on them. Has any show/movie/game/book ever acknowledged this issue by having its plasma projectiles be affected as one would expect, or explained by an even more mysterious technology? My “suspension of disbelief” is sometimes worked intensely for this issue when attempting to enjoy games/stories that involve plasma weaponry. **Which is what makes it science fiction. If I, with my very limited chemistry/physics knowledge were to attempt to explain this “cohesiveness,” I would probably claim that a secondary gas (or liquid?) layer (that does not react with the plasma) is formed around the plasma, and that this layer is somehow self-attracting (unlike the ionized and generally self-repelling plasma), and it contains the plasma until its delivery to the target. Maybe someone has proposed a better explanation?
From my memory of the Halo books, Master Chief commandeered a Covenant ship at one point with Cortana's help. The ship based plasma weaponry of the Covenant were described by Cortana as projecting and maintaining the magnetic field around the plasma and leading it (by moving the field) to the target which is part of the reason they absolutely destroy the UNSC (homing weaponry defeats the main problem of ships at long range simply dodging every attack). Presumably the handheld guns work in the same way (but in a straight line except for homing attacks like with the charged plasma pistol) so they don't fail to travel distances. As to how projecting the magnetic field was done? Dunno. More mystery technology, I guess. Covenant were mostly copying the super advanced technogy of the Forerunners that is still little understood in the lore.
Why have a mortar or even landing ships when you have a dreadnought above you? Also, you don't put mortars on the front lines. Also, rocket launchers exist. Also, F for dem Troopers.
The pistol could have been explained by a throw away line. Either it's poorly maintained or it's low on ammo when they get it off the trooper. Either explanation could have characterized both the trooper and the Imperial Remnant, at least on this planet, if they were delivered properly.
Now I really want to know why doesn't mando PAINT his armor ffs. They could have had a scene of Boba fixing his and giving mando some special mandalorian paint and do some dumb mandalorian ritual to give them bonding time.
It would be rather wierd for Mando to be painting his armor when he should be searching for the apparent most important thing thing to him. Could be set up in a fashion where he can't actually do anything to speed up or help the process, the painting is done to calm him down. Unfortunately that requires more than a stoic "No"
Again, something cut by Disney with the EU. Mandalorians always paint their armor. The colors even have meanings within their culture, such as black = justice, representing what the individual fights for, with glyphs for family crests. The armor was also where the Mandalorians believed their souls were, and armor was passed down within families, so it wasn’t uncommon to see Mandos with mismatched armor, wearing a piece from every relative they’ve lost. See Karin Traviss’ Clone Commandos novels. She took such care in crafting the Mandolorian culture and language, only to be dropped by Lucasfilm when they added Mandalore to the Clone Wars, because they had a different idea of what it should be. Even so, her novels were canon, whereas the animated Clone Wars was considered semi-canon, since they directly contradicted both novels and the Clone Wars comics that came before.
@@No_nameOG I like to think the production/costume design team knew this, and decided to just leave his armour blank as a gag at the fact Mando has no character.
My theory for this episode is: the hovercraft dudes were originally supposed to be freedom fighters. This would tie in to the village that they pass through being unhappy under imperial control, Burr's commentary on both sides being full of normal people, and Mando's attempts at compromising his morals this episode. But then, they realized that it makes Mando and Burr look like psychos where they just show up and murder everything that moves, so Disney made them just be generic bad guy pirates.
"you need to diversify and cover your weaknesses when you build a team, that's the point of a team" Unless you play Valkyria Chronicles, then you just fill your team with Scouts and Blitzkrieg the IA's ass 1940 style.
I’ve watched the all of season 2, and it’s just disappointing. 1-5 is really frustrating, because it’s the SAME THING EVERY EPISODE. Mando goes to a place, he wants information from a person, but they want something from him, so the episode is Mando helping that person, and in the end, they direct them to another planet, he leaves for the new planet, REPEAT. Even his original goal changes from finding other Mandalorians (I know he’s searching for them to guide him to Jedi, but he doesn’t even ask other characters about Jedi), to finding Ashoka after meeting Bo Katan, to now going to another planet, where there FINALLY was something different. Even huge characters like Ashoka and Bo Katan can be swapped for any generic character, because it’s the same role, and Mando somehow has no emotional reaction to interacting with a Jedi, AND meeting other Mandalorians, including Bo Katan, who is trying to reclaim her rule of Mandalore, who tells him that his Creed is an extremist branch, not normal Mandalorian Creed. ALSO, Ashoka barely reacts to Baby Yoda, sorry, GROGU (that name sounds like a frog). Actually, despite they hype, Ashoka doesn’t really do anything much, at least for Ashoka’s standards as a Jedi. If they wanted a formulaic season, they should have done it for season 1, a bounty of the week, before finding the Child. Now, that’s just not going to work, and the “subtle” hints aren’t enough. I suppose the conclusion to draw is, the first 5 episodes released are the same thing, every episode, and it’s just infuriating. Next, in S2E6, Boba Fett shows up with the bounty hunter lady. I actually liked Boba, but there wasn’t nearly enough of him and his interactions with Mando, and Mando just lets Boba have his armor back without argument. Also, HOW THE HELL is bounty hunter lady ALIVE? And, S2E7, where Mando and an Imperial infiltrate an Imperial base. This can’t possibly end in a betrayal, right? I guess not, and by the end, Mayfield is totally cool with going back to prison (I still think he was the best in this episode). Also, something interesting happened, with Mando having to take off his helmet to get information, even though he probably still could have covered angles of his faces humans could see. Also, HOW WOULD THE FACE SCANNER NOT KNOW HE’S NOT IMPERIAL? He had to abandon his Creed for something that makes no sense. And to end the episode, Mando practically WARNS THE PERSON HE’S PLANNING TO SURPRISE ATTACK! And now, the finale. To start with, their whole operation was due to the help of Science Guy who WORKS FOR THE EMPIRE! Why does he help them? Then, there was this really weird scene in the light cruiser where it felt like they were trying to be stealthy, but shot stormtroopers in front of a ton of other troopers that somehow, don’t see it? Also, they say the Darksaber must be won in combat, and Mando can’t simply yield it to her. As someone who watched Rebels, my response is NOUGH. The Darksaber gets passed to Kanan, Satine, and then even Bo Katan herself with no battle involved! And even if there was, Bo Katan doesn’t have to KILL Mando, evidenced by Moff Gideon being spared by Mando, but still losing the Darksaber. All Mando has to do is not fight back, and this conflict is resolved! And given that the episode ended without resolving that issue, season 3 might just be about that ridiculous conflict for 8 episodes. However, I did love the ending, except for Mando not asking the others to look away when he takes off his helmet (again). I thought the Jedi that shows up would be Ezra Bridger (who I hate), but it’s actually ****! The thing I wanted most and expected least finally happened, and that ALMOST fully redeemed this episode. The post credits scene was also a nice touch. (Yes, I wrote this in the last episode. I’m going to do that every time, updating it as new episodes come out)
Episode 3: "How long until we clear the atmosphere and can make the jump to hyperspace? " Episode 6: Gideon's cruiser jumps straight out of the atmosphere.
Oh my god, it’s so annoying how unfair you guys are to this show and I know it’s all rags, y’all are just afraid to disagree with him. Look how much you liked it while he was gone compared to when you rewatched it with him. [extremely heavy sarcasm]
My brother is 30, wife and kids, high paying job who just got his masters degree, and he absolutely loves this show. This is proof that no matter how far you get in life, you can still be pretty stupid.
in the OT the Stormtroopers were always chasing down our heroes. Luke and Han were just walking down hall ways shooting stormtroopers. They were running for their life because they were clearly out numbered. Same with Empire. Hell even in Jedi they are shown killing Ewoks.
Dude, they tried to shoot Luke and Leia from 3 meters on the cliff and were killed. Han shot one of them and other run away from him. They were absolutely retarded.
@@Сайтамен Luke and Leia were pinned down and at most took out two troopers in that scene. There weren't down there joking around about how inaccurate the stormtroopers were. They were dodging shoots and taking cover. The entire time looking like they were corner and about to die. That's how DRAMA works. It's not the same as Finn, Poe and Rey running down the hall of a full armed Star Destroyer and just clowning everyone in their path. Han also had a giant Wookie with him. Han shot the one trooper who was clearly in charge of the rest and they scattered. Can't say I'd do differently if a Wookie was charging toward me. Also you are forgetting that they were allowed to escape the Death Star. We literally learn this the second the Falcon makes it's get away.
The Mandalorian could have been genius. Mando was a foundling found during the Clone War. His village and family were destroyed by the separatists. If the show was in anyway competent it would utilize the one scene where "the way" is described. The blacksmith says in episode 3 that they are not cowards since they live in a world of constant predator and prey. Imagine if Mando had given himself to "the way" because he believed that no stable life was possible in the galaxy. His parents were carelessly and randomly destroyed by evil. "The way" allows him to live a life without risking such trauma. It's a means to prevent himself from being uprooted again by chance. Grogu was a reminder of the childhood that was stolen from him, he couldn't let the infant be hurt like he was. So he took the leap and saved Grogu. In the early episodes he has to deal with trying to give Grogu a simple stable life, despite the fact that his "way" is inherently against that. Cara Dune and Mando can bond because they both share a mentality on life. He lives a life of constant combat, she doesn't want to live in a republic since the fighting stopped.The show can progress with him facing his trauma more and more as we explore his fear of droids, his attachment to the Mandalorians, and his relationship with Grogu.
@@pyerack THIS ^ it's the same with Timothy Olyphant in 2x1. He should have worn that helmet way more, but he doesn't because the actor likely wants his face shown as much as possible.
@@pyerack Exactly this! ^ There is a lot of decisions the show could have done, and I feel that taking notes from Iron Man would have REALLY helped! Tony constantly looses pieces of his armor when fighting, it keeps things interesting, always having him in danger despite constantly upgrading his suit (which is another aspect the show dropped)
I'm fairly certain those 'pirates' were supposed to be some kind of freedom fighters, who wanted the Empire of their planet, which was why they were trying to blow up the transport, instead of stealing it. The writers likely changed it at the last minute, because they didn't want Mandy to do something morally ambiguous, because he's the goodest good guy who ever gooded.
I am confident this is the case. Especially because the "pirates" attack right after Bill Burr talks about how the people are oppressed, and how there will always be oppressors in the galaxy.
It would have been really interesting to explore. Mando has to kill those people in order to maintain his cover and complete his mission. And it would give a solid reason for blowing up the base at the end, as he's helping to free the locals. There's a lot more to be said if they do that.
@@TheNoonish Exactly! Sadly, the show doesn't go into depth like this. Everything in the show is incredibly surface level. They get a lot of great actors, but don't give them any material to work with!
Vehicles in Star Wars have wheels/treads. They're rare to see but they've been here since the beginning. From the Clone Turbo Tank in Revenge of the Sith to Mouse droids in A New Hope. Hell, even R2-D2 moves on treads, just like the TROS speeders. There is precedent.
@@KimboLimbo42823 that's not what I said. I just said that an issue in TROS is also in the Mandalorian and frankly it's worse in the latter. Wheels are obviously going to be a better option in a giant armoured troop transport that needs to reserve power, or a small droid that doesn't need the extra juice, but when the wheels are directly hindering your ability to chase your enemy, or if you have explosive gas on your transport that will explode if it gets too bumpy, just go with a speeder.
I think it's pretty reasonable for to deploy a mortar from a drop ship; it's just an incredibly useful tool. What's fucking stupid is that he sets up in the middle of a wide open field that's covered by enemy sniper fire. Also weird that it's just a regular mortar that you'd imagine a modern military using. Why not a plasma mortar? You've gotta science fiction it up at least a little.
