Oh sir, I see your problem: You’re referring to 2012 avengers Loki. THAT Loki had a mother. The type of guy that would be utterly devastated when he heard that his actions led to her death. Didn’t give a damn that she wasn’t his real mother. He mourned for her all the same. This one? This Loki doesn’t have a mother. Mothers guide their children. Loki has Silvey. He’s obviously better off now than this person you refer to as “mother”.
@@-Azure.EXE- After The Don got his motorcycle stolen by that mysterious woman in a scuba suit, his love for vehicles was shattered, and their relationship fell apart.
"How come Grandpa is always so sad, Dad?" "Boys, your grandpa used to smile all the time. But one day something terrible happened to him and now even the mention of the word 'smile' makes him break down in tears."
Loki: "Sylvye! The world is gonna end! We have to do something!" Sylvye: "lol I don't care! TVA bad! That's a good thing! Yadda yadda!" The world of Sylvie gets destroyed Sylvye: *Surprised Pikachu face*
I swear to Don that Maulie once used the phrase "plot/narrative spaghetti" verbatim, and here it literally is being depicted on-screen for our consumption. Bone apple-tit.
@@FriendlyDarkwraith They also reused that effect in Quantumania (in the probability storm one of the variants tried to grow big, turned into spaghetti and his remains destroyed the floor)
I just watched the first Avengers movie and then this. It is so far beyond character assassination I can't think of a horrible enough death to describe it.
It was a couple of years ago when Mauler said "A 1/10 *would* be something that breaks causality so much you basically cease having a story". It's happened several times now.
So just to recap: Loki is going to go back to the point before Kang was sent to get spaghettid meaning that this entire episode was completely pointless and accomplished nothing? …ok
It's basically to show he didn't control this power randomly, and beating Kang is the only option. It's suppose to put Loki up against a wall of 1. Kill Sylvie 2. Kill Kang Because this ever existed it means every version of loki in the past has killed Sylvie.. In theory.
This show reminded me of CW's Flash. Especially the part where loki suddenly realises he can control his time flooms Barry: I'm not fast enough Iris: Barry You can do it. I love you. You're better Barry: OK(runs faster)
Imagine a world where Kang is an interesting villain, and to add some hot sauce to the story, phase 5 was each Marvel hero taking out their own version of Kang in an interesting way, until the next Avengers when they realize Kang is multiversal and they all have to work together to end all the Kangs.
I find it strange and incredible lame that the second time Loki flumphs to Mobius, like two hours have passed from his perspective. Why such a specific very low time? Also, what a weird experience for Mobius: Hey I´ve met you this day in my job before you vanished and now you´re in front of my house, watching my children. Maybe I should call 911.
This show constantly reminds me of a bonus dvd interview with Ben Affleck for the movie “Armageddon”. In interview, Affleck talks about how he asked Micheal Bay “why is it easier to train oil drillers to become astronauts instead of astronauts to oil drillers?” And Micheal Bay just says “shut the F up”. Now why do I bring this up? Because I feel this is one of those moments in reverse for Loki. The actors are telling the director to “shut the F up” whenever they try to explain the next scene in this show. I want you to imagine being in the writer’s room for this show, or one of the actors being told what to do for such and such scene. “Ok so for this next scene Owen/Tom, you are going to pretend to care about this temporal loom and the deaths of trillions of lives from these timelines being pruned. And then you’re gonna go to the 1800s to find a random guy to fix our super-futuristic technology, with an upgrade to an item he is still prototyping!” It’s all absolute nonsense. An entire show where “words, time, and space” mean nothing. Insert anything anywhere, and it “just works”.
I just want to appreciate the fact that Loki’s story had to play out as this insanely broken and complex mess, involving powers outside of time and space (fuck that piece writing in any piece of fiction), and the control of everything in existence, in order to obtain the same powers Jen nonchalantly has at the end of She Hulk.
Impressive how they go from "all timelines in all universes exploded which means all existence is wiped out" to "Loki only needs to travel forward or backward in one timeline in one universe and that'll return all existence"
It's fascinating how Marvel writers one uped themselves in terms of the universe being abject horror with world ending shenanigans happening everywhere all the time and you won't even know. First it was just regular peoples lives. Now, imagine being Spiderman and watching your neighborhood turning it spaghetti. Being Thor and seeing New Asgard evaporate. Dormamu watching his plane of existence, where he is god, disappear. The multiverse dies and only 4 people are aware of it. That's some cosmic horror. If you even lucky enough to know that you have probably died endless times and the only thing keeping it together is a lovesick God of greenstuff.
OB shouldn't believe Loki because it is a dream come true. He should believe Loki because he jumped into existence right in front of him. "I am a time traveller stuck in an involuntary jump routine" is way easier to believe if the time traveller is seen to arrive from nothing. Not because "I believe you because I write SF."
If I had a nickel for everytime I´ve seen someone in a series spontaneously gained control over time travel by believing hard enough in themselves, I would have two nickels. Which isn´t a whole lot, but it is weird that it happened twice. Except this is still infinitely worse then erased.
I know trying to understand this show is an exercise in futility but nevertheless: if the time loom represents the multiverses while the TVA is established to be outside space and time… why is it that when the loom went boom that the multiverse is still there and everyone there is fine but the TVA’s staff was flomped out of existence? Surely it should be the other way around, right? 😂
One would think that right?! “Outside of time and space” this place is supposed to be they say! We could have an hour of EFAP making animal noises and it would have more consistency and context.
Time travel and multiverses are some of, if not the top two, things in writing that you have to handle carefully. It''s EXTREMELY easy to mess up and destroy the story you've built. Disney Marvel absolutely have failed in handling both of them.
@TheHardys01 Somebody's really mad, huh? How does it feel not to have control over your emotions? And as a kicker, to lose that control when people mock an incompent mess of a Marvel show?
@@Pink.andahalf "Somebody's really mad, huh?" Something tells me that this is how you go around speaking to others online. While being nowhere near how you'd start a conversation in person. Seek mental help.
@TheHardys01 except people do say that in real life. Have you experianced real conversions so rarely that no one has ever said 'somebodies mad' or a variation thereof around you?
Science is about how. Science fiction is about why. That's why most science is definitely not questioning WHY things work the way they do. Makes sense, thanks Loki.
Warning to everyone: There's an overobsessive Loki fanboy who resides in the comments, mocking anyone who even has a slight criticism against this show.
@@TheHardys01I'll give you one copy posted from my own comment in a previous video: "Out of all the stupid things in this season, the one thing that irks me the most is the Loom. This thing simply makes NO sense." "What power did Kang pull out of his ass to create something that ensnares the space and time of ALL REALITY? HOW?! The power required for something like this is God-level. And also, you'd think the various gods of the Marvel universes would not stand for a mortal jeopardizing all of existence." "The ONLY reason it exists is to turn Loki into the God of Stories or whatever the fuck. Which I have to ask, shouldn't that be the One Above All's (God's) job?"
25:26 I know nothing makes sense. But let’s adhere to the “Rules” the show has laid out. If everyone else’s lives got reset then why is Silvi here on Earth and not Asguard?
Rags is what brought me to efap, his old videos. i used to be pretty impressed with him but he has a couple personality traits that are legitimately annoying, maybe even infuriating. The guy is still smart among other virtues he possesses. Maybe its just that whole “familiarity breeds contempt” thing. But…it’s weird, though….others I have zero complaints about, i only have positive things have to say about them. So is it really a to-be-expected inevitability, or is the man positively unlikeable in some ways? DONT mean to be dramatic. If he was a friend I wouldn’t disown him or anything, I’m just trying to say I can’t figure out what to make of him at times
I like to think that Victor Timely got into time travel because he was like "Well, if I do anything else except make a time machine I will have done a great disservice to my name."
God I hate that name “Victor Timely” so much. It would be like Forrest Gump being named “Forest Dumb”. It still rubs me the wrong way that he managed to come up with an upgrade to the Loom that he still was prototyping. It’s like they were trying to tell us “we went to Da Vinci to prevent the Apollo 1 disaster, because he had blueprints for a flying device.”
Maybe he thought, "well this book is clearly ahead of its time, from the future perhaps. If I don't try to make this time machine to send it back to myself, I might cease to exist."
It's honestly sort of eye-opening that the writers of this show think that if you pick 5 random people out of all of time and space you'd end up with a bunch of people living on Earth at some point between 1950 and the modern era. It's incredible how this show manages to have so little imagination behind its characters while also requiring such an insane retarded imagination at the same time for someone to have even conceived this bizarre series of events.
Watching this looks like they basically tried (and failed) to turn Loki in dr Who. And in the process, ruined both. No, wait... Dr. Who was already ruined.
It's actually kinda funny that he's a sci-fi writer and NOBODY wants his books, and he openly states science is NOT needed at all in fiction and you can just do whatever you want if you just say "yeah I scienced it so it works." Unintentional comedy is great.
I'm not sure if y'all already talked about this, but I just want to stress how absolutely stupid the entire existence of the temporal loom is: Assuming that the lack of a temporal loom means the lack of any sort of basic foundation of a timeline, we have now arrived at a point where nothing should even exist. If the timeline needs a temporal loom to function, and Kang created the temporal loom in the first place, then we have a major problem, as time could not have initially functioned without the existence of the base temporal loom, so Kang wouldn't have been able to even make the temporal loom. When I started watching this review series, as I'm someone who just does not want to watch the show at all, I thought that maybe they'd do something like freak out about the temporal loom, then have it break and have them realize that it was never needed in the first place. Would it be stupid? Yes. But it could also make the tiniest semblance of sense, with Kang wanting there to be only one timeline, so it'd be flawed, but it would be slightly reasonable (as in, not really at all, but for the show, that's pretty much the most reasonable you'll get). Instead, they decided to make it so that the lack of the temporal loom just makes it so that reality ceases to exist. Holy hell, I feel like I'm getting an aneurism just from typing this out.
You do realize when you make an incorrect assumption at the beginning of your hypothesis, it can damage the rest of your hypothesis, right?? Because it seems like a lot of folks here do not.
I'm with you; its very existence is nonsensical. A rinky dink piece of shit that somehow contains all of existence? How? The level of power needed to create something like this is omnipotent-level. Shouldn't literally every god in existence have a problem with this?
It would have been interesting if all the TVA members were taken from the exact same time (rather than sporadically 20th & 21st C) like some sort of.... blip.... That would have been cool There could have been families who didn't know why their relatives didn't unblip with everyone else!
I have of late-but wherefore I know not-lost all my mirth, forgone all custom of jet-skiing, and indeed it goes so heavily with my disposition that this goodly frame, the TVA, seems to me a sterile promontory; this most excellent canopy, the air-look you, this brave o’erhanging firmament, this majestical loom fretted with golden fire-why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapors. What a piece of work is a child! How noble in reason, how infinite in faculty! In form and moving how express and admirable! In action how like an angel, in apprehension how like a god! The beauty of the world. The paragon of animals. And yet, to me, what is this quintessence of dust? Children delight not me. No, nor woman neither, though by your smiling Loki, you seem to say so. - "Hamobius" Act 2, Scene 2
14:12 A story set in the MCU about a sci-fi author trying to get traction, when the real world has now begun outpacing writers' own imaginations? Yeah I'd take that over anything they've made since NWH.
Really annoyed me that when they did the 'camera spinning with the record' shot, the record was still spinning slightly faster, so it just looked shit.
I am an original Loki fangirl. My bf's mom even knew and would buy me any Loki merch she could find. I watched episode 1 of the 1st season and peaced out. I can only watch the show with EFAP.
There's a game called "5D chess with multiverse time travel" that I think has a good model for branching multiverses and time travel that can work in a way that isn't nonsense. Obviousely the writers bit off more than they can chew and they aren't smart enough to do anything as complicated as time travel and multiverses.
Don't forget, despite 30% of all universes being destroyed, there are infinite universes. This means we've already had infinite/30X infinite/infinite infinites/etc. universes destroyed and the stakes literally can't get higher.
Comparing the damages of Loki S2 vs S1 or Secret Invasion is like the difference between your house being broken into vs it being levelled by a hurricane. While the former's damages are more quantifiable but you feel more violated. Loki S1 was like some Marvel Hack Writers broke in, peed all over the carpets and took a dump in the middle of your living room.
So... Someone needs to address the elephant in the room.. How dd the multiverse or the infinite timelines exist before the temporal loom was a thing? What about the temporal loom allows timelines or reality to exist? Who created the temporal loom in the first place so that reality doesn't floomp apart? This is such a painfully stupid concept.
Why on Earth would Loki be jumping through time randomly....to exactly where he needs to go? Time is infinite! and there are infinite timelines! Also the machine is destroyed, how is there still time?! Also, it was a good question, why are they all modern humans? Where are the aliens? Where are the humans from you know, 2000BC or 3000AD? Them all being from the same 40 year timespan is just strange. If loki does sorta kinda control the slipping, how does he NEVER end up at Asgard?! Apparently there was never a Hella variant. I feel like they gave up on trying to explain this and went with 'yeah, aura, there you go'. It is weird it takes....time, for time to unravel, apparently oby lives for nearly 2 more years without an issue. Loki isn't completely selfless, even the actual MCU loki, giving him power over time should be really bad, but apparently not.
they do explain this. He Who Remains was still in control even after the stabbing. He set the course for Loki. From time slipping to where he was slipping to. I'm not saying it's a good excuse. Just what's on the show.
@@sparkypackThe answer has been given twice already in this thread. Yet you comment that you don't know right underneath... U folks really are Fake AF.
@@sparkypack The answer was given twice before you commented. Yet you still commented that you don't know the answer.... This.. This is the shlt I have a problem with. You folks aren't even trying.
When i watched this the first time, I realized this is the "God of Stories" arc. Which is fine. We wont' see loki again after this. Loki can only teleport into his past self. This is the power of Kang. thats how Kang is not suppose to die. Sylvie killed one Kang.. but when he dies his conciseness Jumps to the same event, seconds before she killed him. It makes killing him irrelevant So why does he have this power, because what happens in the next episode has already happened. we are watching from a POV of an echo version of loki
My only real issue with this season is very little is explained. You can fill it in with head canon. But wouldn't have made it more interesting to explain it instead of the looney toons chase episode in the 1800s? There are things in this episode that show how it works, but it passes so fast most people don't see it. in the first few seconds of the episode when the white light fades you can see the loom out the window, it has ARMS extended and is spinning on the left side. it automatically is pruning the Timelines that are not the Sacred Timeline. Loki should not be in the TVA at the start of the Timeline loop (where it starts again) so that turns to spaghetti, then every other place Sylvie and Loki go, the same happens. Because they shouldn't be there.. the loom is pruning into non-existence. But since Time happens all at once, Loki has already done the events of the finale even though we haven't seen it yet. We aren't seeing the first confrontation (Just like we see Loki see himself pick up the book, he is not the first.. )
If he can only teleport into his past self, how did he go and see past-OB in the TVA? How did he go see Mobius at his job? How did he turn up on Alcatraz? Are all of those places he's been before? Surely that isn't true.
they mentioned Thor in the Kang Looney Tunes thing where the pillars were the same height and Loki said "Thor's not that tall" his MUH FRENS really reminds me of the MUH QUEEN
The year Don/Mobius was in was 2022, His wife was snapped. His two sons were suppose to be Thor and Loki (not really, but they were suppose to remind you of them)
I already disliked Silvy, but this episode really made it even worse... "I don't care about everything getting destroyed oh shit my timeline is getting flooped now I care!" She is NIMBY Loki.
I was going to comment about various ideas and such but why bother... I struggle to believe the writers put any thought into this, i dunno if it's better for that to be true or not. At least i'll forget about this episode tomorrow (my memory will get the spaghetti treatment).
Thanos: Wipe up half of everyone, we can relate to that, our half is wiped out, maybe even us! We can empathize then and grasp the scale, across the whole universe? holy shit! The amount of grief, pain, anger it causes, is palpable, understandable. TVA: tHE mULtiVersE = who gives a shit, none of that is me, anyone i know, care about, or know about. Why should 10000000000 timelines being wiped out of existed even bother me if mine isn't? like, big fucking deal, who cares. Even if mine is, we all die at the same time, snuffed, who cares, there is no one left to mourn, im not left to mourn, the psychological impact is negative, its just a big shrugarrino, like that moment when you accepted you are dead, there is no hope or potential to change it, so... why care.
If you notice, The FIRST ouroboros answers loki from the second timeline. When Loki comes back to that moment. First O.B. Says "It was a fiction problem" if you put the first and second time side by side He's answering Loki, as if the First O.B. can see the Second time. So it goes like this.. Everyone starts disappearing. OB says "It was a Fiction problem" Loki Rewinds Loki says "I learned to control it! I can go back" (if put side by side this is when O.B. replies to Loki) so it goes like : Loki : I learned to control it, i can go back OB : So it was a fiction problem? A neat little easter Egg. The first O.B. Saw the outcome of the second Timeline, almost as if OB saw the correct pathway to not have things disappear.
genuinely, I love the very basic concept of this sorta time loop, in which everything is caused by who it happens to in an effort to make sure things happen the right way. The problem with loki is that they have set up so much that just doesn't make sense, and the actual events don't line up with the plot they want to be told. Genuinely, I think this concept with better writers and FAR AWAY FROM THE MCU would be a great series
I didn't mind the season until this episode. I KNEW what reaction EFAP would have to the end of this episode, and they haven't let me down. What abilities they've given Loki are very damaging to EVERYTHING in the MCU
O.B. can see into the future in this episode. The First time he get Floompy he says "It was a fictional problem" The second Replay he's answering that loki when he says "it's not about Where, when or why.. it's about who If you time both times side by side he says "it was a ficton problem" 3 seconds after the second loki says that. He saw the only possible outcome. Loki is the only person who sees the "dead ends"
This makes more sense on how Kang sees outcomes. It explains why Kang says "No one sees time like I do." "I'm the only one who can see" and that he has no idea what happens beyond this point. he wasnt lying. My guess is each time he gets stabbed he sees everything spaghetti then he replays the event and gets as far as he can. Any changes to what is "SUPPOSE TO" happen makes it reset.
So...they've gotta kill Loki now, right? I don't see a way that this show ends with time-traveling Loki still being allowed to live. He's gonna be replaced by a previous version of himself that didn't have the power.
why would you recruit all these strangers other than they have the same face as your previous team? why not recruit competent people? you know where you can get all that? in asgard. they have scientists, magicians, and warriors.
Loki is rarted because they made him the stand-in for viewers now who are experiencing everything through him; he has to ask all the questions for exposition for the audience. Loki is the worst character for a role like that.
"god of stories" loki is from the more modern comics. a bit powerup, thats very meta on comics being stories. Also, old evil loki going back in time and killing/overwriting younger more friendly loki is also from the comics. same modern 2010+ comics. so the idea is something they are aware of surely.
Just thought of something and I'm not sure the EFAP guys saw the movie or read the book The Time Traveler's Wife, but Loki reminds me of the character Henry where he has an affliction where he just "time slips". I'm wondering if the writers of Loki read that book. Or not.... So guys, how many shows do I need to watch in order to understand this weirdness?
The setting this show establishes is fucking stupid. With a practically-free time travel device, you can essentially 'quicksave abuse' your way through anything, retrying a failed event infinitely until it succeeds. Nothing means anything.
Him asking if girl loki doesn't recognize him is especially stupid because the only reason she's working in mcdonalds is the tva. Any other one of her would be in asgard or doing whatever he was doing in their own timeline
