EFAP TV: Reacting to The Acolyte Finale - ITS FINALLY OVER 

Qui-Gon Jinn was reduced to a dumb cameo in Kenobi. Anakin is reduced to a dumb cameo in Ahsoka. *Darth Plagueis is reduced to a dumb cameo in The Acolyte.* *That’s all Disney knows. Dumb cameos.*

"We absolutely cannot let anyone know that my Padawan, a Jedi, turned to Evil and killed everyone. To accomplish this, we will let everyone know that my friend, a Jedi, turned to Evil and killed everyone."

I love it when Venestra threw her own friend under the bus for the crimes he didn’t commit to cover up her own failures as a Jedi master that caused her ex-padawan to become a serial killer. I love it even more to know that Yoda and Ki Adi Mundi helped her frame Saul which will cause Palpatine to rise in power in the first place and kill billions of lives, including the Jedis like Qui Gon, Mace Windu and Obiwan, a century later.

Villains wrote this show.

This show is like Sith propaganda, it genuinely feels like something the Empire would make in-universe.

i really like how Mae went to Sol that he has to confess and pay for his "crimes" to the counsel , but then when its her time to pay for her crimes, go wipe her memories so she doesn't have to face the repercussions for her actual crimes...

i hate how when her lightsaber turns red the music goes triumphant

We shouldn’t forget that Tommen committed seppuku thanks to the smokey witch lady mind-raping him. The same witch lady also tried to disintegrate Mae. And the show somehow wants us to condemn Saul for killing her. It’s Wandavision and John Walker all over again.

I love how they want to portray the Jedi as 'evil' but all they showed is a group of Jedi who are slightly incompetent, against actually evil people and we're suppose to feel sorry for the evil people. Then again, these are probably the same people who feel bad for a gas station robber who was waving a prop that deliberately looks like a real gun in the face of the owner to threaten him and then gets shot by said owner.

"The Jedi are evil" Lesbian Headlamp said as she directed the scene where the main character chokes a good Jedi to death

It's like Bazil is somehow partially external to the narrative. His actions and agendas cannot be accounted for, predicted, or questioned. He's just there and sometimes acts to change the plot, and everyone understands that he's a neutral metaphysical force, who follows his own rules. The Beaver is like the Force, actually. It partially controls everyone's actions, but also sometimes obeys their commands. The will of the Beaver is apparently not to be questioned, and he is a pathway to many actions that some might consider convenient.

I can't believe the show fails to acknowledge that wiping someone's memory is essentially killing them. Twice.

- Venestra didn't have to throw Sol under the bus. She could literally just say: "a dark side force user killed a bunch of jedi. I'll go take him out myself, don't worry." The only reason Sol is thrown under the bus is meta knowledge. They know they need the Jedi to not believe any sith are out there to fit the prequels. - Osha has no business being even close to beating Mae in that fight. Even if you want to say they received the same exact training since Qimir used to be a Jedi, Mae has been training every single day for YEARS, Osha hasn't. "Oh, but they're the same person!" Then why doesn't Osha have her memories wiped too? They aren't. - Osha's canonical love interest ends up being her fucking kidnapper lol. - Why didn't Sol LITERALLY JUST SAY "no, I killed your mother because it looked like YOU were going to die. Would you rather have just died???" - Anakin isn't important or special anymore and I hate it.

This show is legitimately morally abhorrent, which is not something I have ever thought or wanted to apply to Star Wars, not even TLJ for all it's arrogant smugness and insulting the series was this confused or malicious in it's messaging. The terrifying thing is the fact that people want to argue this is aimed at kids, and I shudder to think what a formative mind would draw from this. Lucas for all his storytelling faults at least made it very clear, in fact the basis for Star Wars, of the struggle between good and evil and right choices which a child could easily pick up on. There is something almost sickening about this narrative that I can't quite put my finger on because I'm unsure how much is intentional or not.

I still can’t believe Sol gets criticized for killing someone in what any normal person would agree is self defense after his friend gets brainwashed and tortured. Then after getting murdered by his padawan they paint it like trying to save a kid from an evil cult whose members say they must sacrifice themselves is a selfish act. Fuck this show oh my god.

So OSHA leaves with her kidnapper and the murderer of 8 to 10 Jedi, including 2 of her "friends," Jecki and Yord. She also goes along with wiping her twin sisters mind, essentially killing her and OSHA killed her own former master. Is this supposed to make her good or compelling in some way? This is Leslie's idea of a "hero?" If so, Leslie is morally bankrupt.

How hilarious is it that Sol carries the brunt for The Acolyte, both whatever semblances of quality it might have out of character AND the entire coverup in character. He didn’t deserve this, man.

Homer - Marge I’m confused. Is this a happy ending or a sad ending? Marge - It’s an ending, that’s enough.

I can’t wait for the lightsaber to bleed into red. RED!? THATS RED!!

Has anyone else noticed that most modern movies and TV shows have their protagonists never question the morality or consequences of their actions

If Sol had gone "I will do what I must" when the three idiots cornered him and realized Osha was too far gone and then killed them all, the show would've at least been a 2/10.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="861">14:21</a> “I think the Jedi are a massive system of unchecked power posing as a cult.” *As proven when the Jedi rescued two children from an ACTUAL massive system of unchecked power posing as a cult.*

Every episode of this show costs nearly twice the budget of Godzilla Minus One. What the hell

Proposed spinoff: "Bazil and Mog". One is a diminiutive, squeaking rodent-like creature, the other is Bazil.

As an EMT of 3 years I fully expect someone on the panel to have a stroke over the blatant gaslighting near the ending.

Darth Plagueis, Just another Sith taking credit for a witches work.

Man Lee Jung-jae essentially carried any semblance of substance in this show on his back. Any speckle of praise this horrific show has goes soley to him. I can't wait to see all that work he put in be rewarded by a fitting and justified end to his character😁

Not only was it scummy of Vernestra to throw Sol under the bus and blame him for all of the murders, it also doesn’t add up. There were witnesses to Indara’s assassination and Torbin ending his own life; the only one that he wouldn’t have an alibi for would be Kelnacca, but by doing that you have to blame him for the deaths of the other Jedi too. Absolutely terrible.

The lightsaber became a evil progress bar there lmao

This entire show feels like if someone adapted a shitty YA Wattpad fanfic.

The easiest way to prove Sol did not kill the jedi is that in episode 1 he wasn't allowed to leave because he had to train people. There are tons of people who should have known where he was when Trinity died.

This episode proves that the writers are morally twisted. A justifiable case of self-defense because remember spiky-head lady also took on a battle stance before Sol ever pulled out his saber. Attempted murder from Mae to kill her own sister spurred by her own parents to "Get angry." The witches assault the group of Jedi and basically mass-suicide through possession. BEFORE any hostilities they were already mind-invading Torbin. Mae then goes on a murder spree, Smilo mass murders a whole platoon of Jedi Knights and a child because he wants to use his powers with wanton abandon. "You brought her here"? To a mission that they had no idea was even a high risk threat remember they were just trying to contact Kelnacca, so a Padawan in the group is not even some unjustified thing. All of these are supposedly proof of Sol being the worst person ever. OSHA is seduced by the dark side in less than a DAY because she saw Smilo naked, and murders her former Master because he is unforgivable. Never mind that she easily forgave 2 mass murderers and one of which tried to murder her as children too. Then, mind erasing Mae so she cannot possibly justifiably stand trial for her own crimes and then the framing Sol who again had done literally nothing wrong as the mastermind behind it all to hide a matter that the Jedi Order would have no reason to hide. And THIS is written as a good thing, how sweet the sisters love each other, while the music plays triumphantly. We are supposed to find this good. Actually completely sick moral bankruptcy.

So Leslye Headland, makes a show, where all the people that tried to prevent the real bad guys from hurting vulnerable children, died.... and finished with the message that it's ok to cover up everything that's happened...... huh.

Wait, if it was confirmed that Nazgul Mom was going to turn the daughters 'into the force' and actually disintegrate them, then she was just straight up lying and guilting Sol with the 'I was gonna let her go with you' bullshit

I miss when I thought Batwoman was bad writing

Basil is the key to everything. He is privy to almost all Jedi deaths that would destroy the whole Jedi cover-up. He has directly prevented Sol from stopping Mae. Darth Basil has fooled everyone, even the writers.

You MURDERED my “BEST friends” yesterday I LOVE YOU!

As Thor Skywalker pointed out the other day, there are more than a few Jedi who can refute Venestra's allegation of "unaliving" of Master Trinity and Discount Cosplay Frodo Baggins at the hand of Master Sol, so unless she's planning on some Stalin-esque purging of the Jedi Order, I have no idea how she'll keep an lid on this.

The Shlurpolite Episode 8 Finale: Good Shlurpo becomes Bad Shlurpo and Bad Shlurpo becomes Sort of but not so Bad Shlurpo I think. Ho Lee Fuk the Jedi gets strangled, and we get some epic cameos from Dexter Jettster, Porkins, Watto and Bea Arthur from the Holiday Special. Please fund a season 2.

I hate that they missed that Smilo Ren was lying in the previous episode- he said OSHA could take his ship and leave, but as soon as she actually wants to do so, he tells her she can’t because he’s already taking it... thus confirming that he is a liar.

Noticed the Acolyte is such a huge success Star Wars hasn’t posted an actual video to their RU-vid channel for a month.

Here's a quote that I think is relevant to the writers of The Acolyte (and other badly written media): “They don't have intelligence. They have what I call 'thintelligence.' They see the immediate situation. They think narrowly and they call it 'being focused.' They don't see the surround. They don't see the consequences.” ― Michael Crichton, Jurassic Park

As bad as this show has been from the first frame, I’m still gobsmacked that, by the end, every surviving character is outright evil and corrupt, and we’re not supposed to even care. They’re not characters, they’re trading cards and we’re supposed to pick our favorite two and hope they bang.

This shows end is the most incoherent, unsatisfying, unconclusive and uncathartic experience I've ever had.

I mourn for Sol, the tragic hero of a show I'll never watch. His name was Master Squid Game.

Darth Basil eliminated Kilnecca, he was the first at the hut and Kilnecca's death was off screen. It's clear he's the real phantom menace of this series.

Anyone notice that no one cares about Jeki after episode 6? I thought they wanted justice for her? No? Shipping two evil people is more important.

I can't believe Lee Jung-jae learned English for this shit

I want to point out that the "the jedi are an order of wacky wizards with unchecked power who arent as good as you thought and they've gone crazy" was Palpatine's political rhetoric to justify the campaign of *GALATIC EXTINCTION* against them -- which parallels the rhetoric of the nazis used to persecute the jews. Lesley Headland, unironically, wrote a story where an *INNOCENT* man *DIES* and is blamed for the deaths of nearly a dozen jedi, where not *only* do the murderers get away, but an innocent girl *BECOMES* a murderer by the end, and wants everyone to believe this is a story about empowerment and liberation -- all to cover up her *OWN* shitty job as a mentor, since the *REAL* murderer was born from her *OWN* mistreatment of her former pupil. What. The fuck. Is this show. Headland said she was drawing from her experience with own sister, and yet all I can see in this script is her experience working with Harvey, mother of god. Also, fun fact, remember when people who tried to defend Ki-Adi Mundi were like "bro who cares lol it's not like it's YODA or anything lmao". Well. Here we are.

I would like to ask for Ryan to be on all future Star Wars show coverage. This lineup is fantastic.

It's Finally over ..... the pain ...... the suffering We can rest now. Until disney decides to defile the ashes of star wars again

Does it not bother Mae and Osha that Smilo can just wipe 16 years of your memory? When your whole life is people lying to you about important events, a guy that can steal those from you whenever he wants should fq with your mental state. You should be stressed out by what you might not remember anymore.

So, Kyber crystal bleeding was first introduced in the Vader comics, released by Disney. The process was shown as a pretty difficult one, especially for ex-Jedi like Vader. This is because the Kyber crystal releases a Force backlash as a response, filling you with the Light Side energy and giving you visions of you being free from the Dark Side. Darth Vader *almost* turns back due to this - only seeing himself asking Obi-wan for forgiveness makes him snap and finish the bleeding. I guess females find bleeding more natural ans therefore easier.

My wife's cousin thinks this show is really great and "doesn't understand the hate." I had to choose not to engage for the sake of civility.

All I want out of season 2 is seeing the entire process, start to finish, of Bazil being turned into a rug.

I like how Osha doesn't care that her sister killed and took her little droid buddy that she told she loved yesterday

Thank you Mauly and Fingold for getting these out so quickly

What annoys me is that people are gonna use this show as proof of the Jedi being bad. Writing quality, canon, just substance, doesn't matter. Just 'Jedi institution exist, therefore bad.'

Does anyone else realize that even the “protagonist” can’t tell the twins apart? She thinks Mae is killing Sol and doesn’t know her own appearance. What garbage writing.

_"Impossible, the Sith have been extinct for a millennium"_ 👀🤞 Yoda: 👀💧 Rest of the council: 😴

Everyone who said "let her cook!" enjoy your meal lol

“The senate knowing my padawan turned evil would be catastrophic.” “Instead, we will tell them a respected Jedi master turned evil.”

Why does Venestra have a fancy outfit to meet the senate? Aren't the jedi supposed to live a simple life and not care for their appearance?

"He killed his accomplices" You have witnesses who saw Indara being killed by NOT SOL! Sol literally cannot be linked to the murder of Indara in ANY WAY! Sol was never alone with Torbin. You are stuck with trying to explain away an assassination of at least 2 Jedi Sol cannot be involved with. What absolute TRASH writing. Also no Yoda death scream at the end of this show?

I hate that they rewrote mind wiping. The ability to wipe the minds of an individual was introduced first in KOTOR when the jedi rescued darth revan after he was betrayed by darth malick during the jedis attack. After the jedi rescued/captured revan it took the might of THREE SEASONED JEDI MASTERS to temporarily block revans memories of him being darth revan so they could use him to hunt down and defeat malick. However, DISNEY being the group of glue eating, highlighter huffing, paint drinking idiots that they are made it an ability that could be used by anyone who was experienced enough in the force.

Obi-Wan: "That boy is our only hope." Yoda: "No... There is another." [Mog's theme plays]

I'm glad Acolyte was made. Between the EFAP gang's first impression reactions and Platoons in-depth analysis videos... I've had a great couple of months!

I find it amusing that people who hate Reylo love Qimir x Osha like that ship is any better. It’s literally the same thing but worse and more rushed. At least Kylo felt conflict. Qimir is just pure evil, murdered Osha’s friends and she didn’t give a fuck cause he’s hot

An unbridled rage, MauLer please! :)

There are people who watched this show all the way through and went legit nuts for the Darth Plagueis cameo. It's disturbing.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="65">1:05</a>:08 What Ryan said is absolutely true. There are so many bandwagoners into geek culture: everyone now likes Star Wars, everyone now likes video games, everyone now likes anime, etc. I remember getting teased for liking this stuff now everyone claims they like these things and has a reaction channel because they see how it gets clicks on RU-vid and they don’t have a single understanding of the product they’re watching. They just consume and are happy when keys get jangled in their face on screen.

They gave Sol the Joel treatment, fully justified in his past actions but not allowed to explained because the writing is shit.

So weird that they portrayed Smilo as a goodman in this episode

What peak Star Wars it must be to try to make two murderers sympathetic when they are still being as evil as they set out to be, and lack any of the redeeming qualities altogether.

Sitting here 2 hours before the premiere giddy waiting for Ryan to witness Creepy Cave Goblin Plagueis. As a fellow fan of that novel, I can’t believe this is how he’s introduced. But it’s Disney, so off course Plagueis is just more key jangling

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the cave goblin?

With Jedi blaming Sol is very much like when Lesley blamed everything on Harvey. As if she didn’t have a hand in it too

How the coverup is bullshit: 1. the barkeeper knows it was a OSHA/MAE, 2. the Jedi that was with yul when OSHA was arrested 3. Bazel 4. The "local jedi temple" security and the fat Padwan 5. etc... lot's of people are going to have to DEI.

So now that we're at the finale, is it fair to say definitively that the worst character assassination in this show is Vernestra? I know many of us don't care about this character but for those who do, the High Republic era fans out there, you guys should get MAD at Leslye Headland for her handling of this character. For those who don't know, here's the context: Prior to The Acolyte, the last time Vernestra felt she had some responsibility in failing to prevent a major tragedy (a crime syndicate crashed a whole space station on the planet she was posted on at the time), she f*ed off to a remote place of the galaxy, cut her hair short (yes, Vern has hair in the HR books and no, she didn't SHAVE though I bet Headland thought the books meant Vern shaved her hair lmao) and focused on meditating for a while. Well, in this show, when she arrived on Brendok, she felt the presence of her apprentice Qimir there (aka the main villain of the show) yet didn't feel compelled to investigate the murders of Jedi any further after her group found Sol's body and Mae. No attempt to publicly uncover the extent of her responsibility in failing to train Qimir and instead crafted a coverup story just to hide her culpability in these deaths. In fact, I can make the case that this has become so in-character for Vernestra that Qimir - the apprentice who knew her very well - bet on the chance that leaving behind Mae for Vern's group to find would work. That's enough for Vern to craft her coverup story, that's enough to stop the search and that's enough for him to escape. I'm not invested in this era so I only give a damn as far as it impacts the prequel era. But High Republic fans, you understand what this means right? Your girl used to take responsibility, but now, in an attempt to dodge public accountability for her failure to train the first known Jedi to fall to the dark side for thousands of years, she is as a result responsible for the Jedi Order not finding out about the plot of the Sith before Phantom Menace. If this is not the worst character assassination in this show, who is? For those who similarly aren't invested in the HR era as me, there's some value in recognizing the fact that incompetent Star Wars show creators starting to pulverize their own Disney-branded materials is the result of them running out of legacy characters to hand down that treatment.

The only two worthwhile things that came out of this show: 1. The hilarious crazed cuckoo laugh during the coven ceremony 2. Mewbschlie saying " the power of one too many"

Another stupid thing about the lightsaber turning red would be during Revenge of the Sith. Remember how Anakin was literally, LITERALLY about to kill children and the lightsaber was still blue? Or when he massacred the Tusken Raiders in Attack of the Clones? Or when he force choked Padma, his wife?! The lightsaber was still blue! ...I honestly want the writers to keep digging a horrendous pit. Screw it. What else is there to ruin? No really, what else is there?

So here we have a story where one chick is just straight up murderer, her twin gets corrupted and becomes murderer in what is most likely four hours by a guy who is a narcissistic mass murderer, and Jedi master who covers her own skin by blaming dozen murders on a good man. The story is so reprehensible and stupid that the crew forgot to point out the most obvious thing in all of this - did Sol just drop dead? Is that the explanation? What did Venestra told the investigators?

There comes a time in all forms of media consumption

That old Tolkien quote keeps coming around again. Evil really cannot create at all. It's impressive how derivative this show manages to be, even as it misses the point of everything it's stealing. I'd like to hear Leslye lie to a jury. I have the feeling it would all be stupid, but she would think its smart.

You guys commentary is like science fiction theater 3000 for the modern age. It's great you guys make the show entertaining. i could not watch it otherwise.

Sol. A good natured, kind and dedicated jedi gets his name dragged through the mud for trying to save a child. And 3 murderers get away scott free.....What else needs to be said for how these writers think......

Finn: REEEEEY! Rick: COOORRRAAAAL! Sol: OOOOUHHHHWSSSHHAAAAHHHH!

Andor established that they have detectives that go out and investigate things. Andor killed 2 nobodies at a bar, and the whole show was about hunting him down and sending him to prison.

If Smilo can just wipe memories, why didn't he do it before? Also if Mae escapes accountability because her memory is deleted, then can't smilo delete his own memories of killing jedis for a free get-out-of-jail card? This memory deletion power is just LAZY WRITING.

I really hate when major plot points can only happen by having characters deliberately misunderstanding each other.

Ah, EFAP. They consume armaggeddon states, and get excited for the next armaggeddon state, so we won't have to.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="642">10:42</a> I'm sorry, but the way Mauler says "Basil?!" here is sooo fucking hilarious! It's like he's confused, betrayed, angry, and disappointed all in one go. XD

Two more things about "Officer Sol discharges his firearm into the innocent minorities" scene: One, Witchmom wasn't just using a "mysterious unknown power," she was using powers that were established to subdue and harm Jedi, as she did with the Tommen mind-rape before. Blaming Sol for seeing this use of powerful dark magic again and quickly using deadly force to stop it is like blaming the police for shooting someone during an armed stand-off when someone pulled out an object that looked exactly like a gun but was actually their daughter's custom asthma inhaler which just happened to be shaped and painted like a Glock-19. Two, the one who initiated the violence was Hornymom when she suddenly raised her spear and aimed it at the Jedis' throats. Even if we're supposed to believe that Sol was completely out of line by misinterpreting the Nazgul child disintegration (and I sure as hell don't), what are we supposed to with THAT? Pretend that Hornymom was just offering the Jedi a shave? This is probably the most critical scene in the entire series, and what they wanted to do shouldn't have been all that difficult, but they still completely blew it. The only thing we have to look forward to with Star Wars is the day when Disney sells it to someone else who decanonizes the entire past decade.

I am really confused. Is this show actually a peek into the moral framework of the people who created this? If so, that is fucking terrifying.

This finale is unbelievably insulting to the audience in a show that was already an unbelievable insult. It's the same shit as Captain Falcon and the Winter Soldier. They don't want you to actually pay attention to what happened on screen, they want you to listen to the music to tell you how to feel. We're supposed to feel happy for Osha when she strangles Sol because he killed her mother and the show insists he's somehow responsible for the death of the whole coven. What did we actually see? Jedi monitoring the planet for a phenomena in the force, they come across a cult of force users, they investigate and in doing so one of them gets mind-fleemed and they believe the girls are being mistreated. Then, when they realise that the cult has been lying to them they go back to get the kids and find that the place is burning down. They go inside to try and help the children and are met with outward hostility, including another Jedi Master being mind controlled by the cult into almost killing his friends and allies. To rescue that Jedi from mind control, it results in the unintentional deaths of the entire cult. This is the most cry bully behaviour I think I've seen in a show.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1912">31:52</a> I’m reminded of God of War 4, in which (Spoilers) In which Baldur chokes his mother Freya at the very end. Kratos rightfully recognizes this as a vile action and judges Baldur as worthy of death. As Mimir states, despite the problems Freya caused, “The world’s a better place with Freya in it” because the alternative is *OBVIOUSLY EVIL.* Nah, but here we have the power of women. Women can do no wrong, right?! Screw Sol doing the right thing and still trying to atone for the fallout of *doing the right thing.* This show’s morality is just… well, it’s peak Hollywood.

The Otter thing was like "I cut the brakes! WILD CARD BITCHES, YEEEEHAW!"

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="647">10:47</a> Ryan with the "Bazil is like Charlie Kelly the Wild Card" had me dying! 🤣🤣

#JusticeForSol

Ah yes, Darth Plagueis the Wise. He who was so wise and powerful that he'd creep and skulk in the shadows like friggin Gollum, yep.