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Eject! Eject! | Jon "Herbie" Hancock's Phantom Story (In-Person) 

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Former RAF Phantom nav, Jon "Herbie" Hancock shares his incredible ejection story from an FG1 in 1987, including plenty of detail.
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@brabhamfreaman166
@brabhamfreaman166 3 месяца назад
Hell of a story, but made absolutely stellar by a delightfully detailed and descriptive storyteller - Herbie’s a natural and seemed to make life easy for the interviewer, who provided the occasional encouraging nudge. You’ve a real talent for finding enticing stories and delivering immensely engaging one-on-one interviews with the guys who lived them. The result is just outstanding. Thank you.
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
Cheers!
@bikenavbm1229
@bikenavbm1229 3 месяца назад
well said in better words that I can but agree 100%
@andyrobinson1237
@andyrobinson1237 3 месяца назад
A big day out…That’s one way of putting it!! Incredible story & details 👍
@keithloughrin6981
@keithloughrin6981 3 месяца назад
An amazing story. I remember it being on the news in Scotland. Glad everyone got out
@ronhudson3730
@ronhudson3730 3 месяца назад
What a story and what a story-teller! Amazing!
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@petemckinnon9593
@petemckinnon9593 3 месяца назад
I was 111sqn ground crew when this happened! Glad you made it out in one piece and are still doing OK
@JonHancock-go1tu
@JonHancock-go1tu 3 месяца назад
Thanks Pete. Of course there was a sense of worry from our see-off crew as they were also interviewed by the Board. Had they missed something? Of course, they hadn’t. Noz Norrie, being an armourer, sort of took me under his wing after what happened, and it was great to be with him again when I went to XXV(F) Sqn in 2000. The gentlest of giants, sadly taken from us at far too young an age.
@mickhorsley3169
@mickhorsley3169 3 месяца назад
Good stuff. I wondered if Herbie would mention that it was a 43 jet they crashed. I remember being in the airmen's mess having lunch when the buzz went round that a jet had been lost. The first time I'd experienced that. I think at that time Mick Hall and Mick Wilcock were the lads working in the parachute bay. Both sadly passed now. Thanks to Herbie for recognising them and the others who work on this kit hoping it may never be used.
@JonHancock-go1tu
@JonHancock-go1tu 3 месяца назад
Thank you, I’m sad to hear of their passing. I owe my life to many people that day.
@albertperks3476
@albertperks3476 3 месяца назад
Over the years I've heard a fair few ejection seat stories but that was by far the most interesting, I suppose because of his explanation on what led up to the event and then his very personal experience thereafter. Thanks for sharing.
@Salty1952
@Salty1952 3 месяца назад
Great interview/story telling. Glad Herbie made it back to provide the insight into what it's like to bailout and end up in the drink. My dad had a great story about being pushed up, in a storm cell to coffin corner. High speed buffet/Low speed stall. The prospect of ejecting into a thunderstorm was not something he really wanted to do. With Herbie's ejection at low altitude, I was amazed that there was an instant when he considered riding it in. A riveting story!
@johncassels3475
@johncassels3475 3 месяца назад
Fabulous interview - one of your best. I think you manage to ask about four questions only and "Herbie" just took off from there. Very engaging. Fun with a touch of pathos. Thanks!
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
Many thanks!
@eclat1970
@eclat1970 3 месяца назад
Fantastic what an amazing story like how he credits everyone in the interview really enjoyed this one hope there will be more on ejection stories.
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
Cheers
@davidblurton7158
@davidblurton7158 3 месяца назад
i was on 43 when it was f3s,,, groundcrew,,, so i really get this story,, and i was dumped in the sea outside belfast and rescued by a wessex to having been volunteered in my absence for air sea rescue training,, it was so cold i pissed myself as soon as i hit the water having been pushed out of the wessex at 20 ft,,, watching the loady scim over the waves directing himself by using various bits of his body was amazing,,, bang clip gone,,, then the slow rotation looking up at the chopper,,, newer lost an aircraft in my time in the raf but i do remember a state one when at leuchars where a 111 f3 took off and got stuck in a uncomanded roll and they banged out,, was told the pilot had his mobile on him and called the CO while floating down,, the nav was in fact a lecky sgt just hitching a opportunistic ride to leeming where he lived as the jet was overweekending there for an excersise at st mawgan,, 111,,, always crashing jets,,, happy days,,,
@cjoel2379
@cjoel2379 3 месяца назад
Amazing story and storyteller. It’s really nice to hear Herbie’s appreciation of the other roles that keep the RAF flying. Safety Equippers (Squippers) Armourers (knuckles drag on the floor 😅) and Fairies (guess the trade!). I served at Leuchars in the 90’s, amazing place, people….and beer calls. OMG, what a place to be when you’re young. Great interview and can’t wait for the next one! Cheers from a Fairy….the best trade 😂
@Sandhoeflyerhome
@Sandhoeflyerhome 2 месяца назад
Concise, fluent, wonderful delivery. Told the story very well.
@satch7123
@satch7123 2 месяца назад
Good lord, what a fantastic account. Wonderfully told, with typical humour, only found in the services and overall, with incredible humility. I'm nothing to do with the RAF myself, but when I was a young lad, my uncle was Group Captain of 111 back in the late 70s / early 80s. I was privileged enough to look around Leuchars and later Coningsby. I've never lost my respect for the RAF pilots and Navigators, and similarly, I never lost my love of the Phantom. Thanks again.
@Madeinwem
@Madeinwem 3 месяца назад
Great story. I was a winchman (and winch op) during my 37+ years in the Royal Air Force. And I fully appreciate how excited 'Lenny' would be En Route to a successful ejection when no one died! I think that I worked with Lenny in Northern Ireland in 89-91. Glad to see the use of 'tip-ex' in the log book too...... just like mine!
@JonHancock-go1tu
@JonHancock-go1tu 2 месяца назад
There was a lot of quiet respect from the Phantom aircrew to our friends on 22 Sqn, recognising that operating the venerable Wessex on SAR call-outs required a special degree of aircrew skill and courage. I think the Boss at the time was Hugh Pearce, certainly they made their presence felt in the bar. I’m still in touch with George; he is still piloting HEMS and must have saved countless lives. Sadly I lost touch with Lenny but there was certainly no doubt he was made up to rescue one of his own.
@KRGruner
@KRGruner 2 месяца назад
Ejection stories are always fascinating. Thank goodness I never had to do it myself.
@GrumpyOldMan9
@GrumpyOldMan9 2 месяца назад
Loved it. Like Mr. Humphreys explaining how he once took the measures of an extraordinarily handsome male customer!
@jimdavenport8020
@jimdavenport8020 3 месяца назад
Hell of a story! USAF F-4 WSO with 2,000 hours. Loved the MB MK VII seat - never used it. Also loved having Control Stick and Rudder Pedals. Simple matter of fact I had to take the aircraft from the FUF on the range at night as the aircraft was rolling through 60 degrees of bank while he was changing switches. On another occasion I recovered the airplane when the FUF went blind from a rapid decompression at 40,000 feet. What would have happened had I not had controls? We will never know. Also flew the jet repeatedly to give the FUF a break on long missions and took over in the weather and in formation when the FUF got 'the leans'. We had Command Ejection of the R/C/P any time the FUF ejected. A Command Selector Valve in the R/C/P could select Command Ejection of the F/C/P if rotated. This was a Crew Coordination Briefing item for all missions. In over 1,000 sorties I only had a scant few FUFs tell me NOT to rotate the handle. Most felt that if it was bad enough for me to go, we would sort it out on the ground! Spent one night in The Mess at Leuchers (sp?) . A real class act. I was blown away when I noted all the artwork presented to The Mess on the occasion of the retirement of many officers. When I retired I hoped to start a tradition and presented the Nellis Officer's Club a framed piece of aviation art with a plaque appropriately engraved . I failed.
@JonHancock-go1tu
@JonHancock-go1tu 3 месяца назад
Fascinating. The RAF acquired a squadron of F4Js, which had command eject. I went onto the Tornado F3, which had command eject from the getgo with the Mk10 seat. My experience of command eject selection very much mirrors yous. The exception was for 'heavyweight pilots', as at take off speeds. the seat with their mass on board wouldn't clear the F3's huge fin! So it was set to rear until after take-off checks.
@raymondshaw5685
@raymondshaw5685 3 месяца назад
FUF ? Fool up front?
@jimdavenport8020
@jimdavenport8020 3 месяца назад
@@raymondshaw5685 Fucker Up Front. Sometimes referred to as 'My Nose Gunner'
@Darrylx444
@Darrylx444 3 месяца назад
@@JonHancock-go1tu Excellent presentation, well done. FYI: If you are ever so inclined, there is now an excellent F-4E module in DCS World (PC-based VR-capable combat flight simulator). Very high fidelity with almost ALL fully functional systems and weapons. You can operate either as Pilot or WSO, check out various RU-vid content for details. Just in case you have a yearning for some well-earned nostalgia...
@jimdavenport8020
@jimdavenport8020 3 месяца назад
@@raymondshaw5685 Fu**er Up Front. AKA 'Nose Gunner'
@GapBahnDirk
@GapBahnDirk 3 месяца назад
Brilliantly told! What an experience....
@charlesmoss8119
@charlesmoss8119 3 месяца назад
Amazing - thank you for such a fine story so brilliantly told.
@tommychew6544
@tommychew6544 3 месяца назад
Great episode, I was locked into it the whole time!
@raythomas7999
@raythomas7999 2 месяца назад
What a story and indeed story teller. So impressed by the details he can recall from such a traumatic event. Another great interview.
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 2 месяца назад
Glad you enjoyed it.
@joshstanton267
@joshstanton267 3 месяца назад
Dude you just narrated an entire book in vivid detail 😂 wow. Fantastic mate!
@andyduggan7810
@andyduggan7810 3 месяца назад
Fantastic survival story vividly recounted.
@AviatedAussie
@AviatedAussie 3 месяца назад
Fantastic story! Thanks for sharing
@grinner2916
@grinner2916 3 месяца назад
Awesome interview and story Herbie, and well done, Mike, for getting him to tell it!
@JonHancock-go1tu
@JonHancock-go1tu 3 месяца назад
Cheers Grinner!
@philwheeler7531
@philwheeler7531 3 месяца назад
I joined Tremblers in Jan 88 as Big Jengo. The St Andrews cross was spoken about in hushed terms but hearing the detail after all these years is fascinating. Great to see Herbie looking so well and see the old jets. Really good interview. 👍😎
@JonHancock-go1tu
@JonHancock-go1tu 3 месяца назад
Cheers Phil! Hope you're keeping well.
@Hangman74
@Hangman74 3 месяца назад
Loved the story kept engaged the whole way through 👍🏼
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
Glad you enjoyed it.
@swtruckerpv
@swtruckerpv 3 месяца назад
Incredible story, another fantastic interview. 😀
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
Cheers!
@Scotscan
@Scotscan 3 месяца назад
Amazing, kept me glued to the screen.
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
Great to hear you enjoyed it.
@RealRavi
@RealRavi 3 месяца назад
Great story and storyteller!
@ivorbexon4030
@ivorbexon4030 2 месяца назад
Absolutely brilliant.
@rupertdrew4876
@rupertdrew4876 2 месяца назад
Excellent story - many thanks for sharing.
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 2 месяца назад
Glad you enjoyed it.
@nevilleneville6518
@nevilleneville6518 3 месяца назад
Wow, what an episode! One of your best ever, although to be fair it's mainly Herbie 😂
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
😂 yeah I can’t take any credit! Herbie is a legend.
@marcusott2973
@marcusott2973 3 месяца назад
Much awaited, much appreciated excellent insights as always from you.
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
Cheers
@simonmcnicholas
@simonmcnicholas 2 месяца назад
Great story 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@xile_hc
@xile_hc 3 месяца назад
Loved this one!
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
Cheers
@kvnmackenzie
@kvnmackenzie 3 месяца назад
Riveting video!!! Thank you.
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
Cheers.
@davetaylor812
@davetaylor812 3 месяца назад
as ex phantom ground crew found it fascinating., never knew there was a 2 sticker, was the navs radar display removed because that was basically between his legs when in use, or was it just left in the stow position..
@JonHancock-go1tu
@JonHancock-go1tu 3 месяца назад
If I recall correctly, it was in the stowed position, but without the KD41 wet film recording system fitted over the B-scope display, but my memory may be failing me!
@davetaylor812
@davetaylor812 3 месяца назад
@@JonHancock-go1tu thank you
@macedk
@macedk 3 месяца назад
Spot on :)
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
Cheers
@grahambbird
@grahambbird 3 месяца назад
Having very limited formation experience in propeller aircraft (Pitts), I'd be interested to understand how a backseater (no matter how good) could be responsible for station keeping and collision avoidance. Was there some standard language to direct the pilot? Love to know more.
@SJF15
@SJF15 3 месяца назад
Judging by the amount of time they spend in the bar, I'm surprised they don't collide more often! 😂
@finchleyflyer
@finchleyflyer 3 месяца назад
Great story, fascinating and detailed insight. What was the final outcome of the BOE? Presumably JH didn't carry the can for the mid-air?
@JonHancock-go1tu
@JonHancock-go1tu 3 месяца назад
I’m sure you’ll understand if I only comment on me. I was exonerated. Essentially, there was insufficient time for me to see what was happening, assimilate and assess it, communicate it, and then for my pilot to do the same, and act on it. The human factors folks (it was known as something else in those days) looked after me. I was criticised for banging the quick release box and wearing non-standard gloves, all survival related stuff. The accident became a case study in the Royal Air Force Flying Supervisors’ Course for many years after. My last F3 trip was in 2008, 21 years and approx 3000+ fast-jet flying hours later.
@65gtotrips
@65gtotrips 3 месяца назад
So, what is that on the top cockpit canopy glass behind him ? Is it for heated glass, a radio antenna, or just a graphic design ?
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
It's an explosive chord to shatter the canopy on ejection.
@cam5376
@cam5376 3 месяца назад
After “Eject, eject, eject, don’t, don’t, don’t” sounds quite confusing and contradictory, what was the trigger for then pulling the handle?
@JonHancock-go1tu
@JonHancock-go1tu 3 месяца назад
As I said, I didn’t hear it. So it had no bearings on my sequence of events.
@alanleblanc1763
@alanleblanc1763 3 месяца назад
As they say you meet your maker in a Martin - baker
@bigglestintin6875
@bigglestintin6875 3 месяца назад
Done
@20chocsaday
@20chocsaday 2 месяца назад
9000 -> 6
@GT-sl7wg
@GT-sl7wg 3 месяца назад
Amazing account Herbie! I was on 19 and remember the “incident” but to get the full back story is epic! Thankfully never needed the Martin Baker option but glad it all worked out for you guys!! As they say there but for the grace of God! Cheers “Throb” ex 19 Wildenrath. TDPU this year?
@JonHancock-go1tu
@JonHancock-go1tu 3 месяца назад
Hi, thank you! Sadly can't make this year's TDPU. Made the last two, and hopefully next year's.
@philwheeler7531
@philwheeler7531 3 месяца назад
I joined Tremblers in Jan 88 as Big Jengo. The St Andrews cross was spoken about in hushed terms but hearing the detail after all these years is fascinating. Great to see Herbie looking so well and see the old jets. Really good interview. 👍😎
@bikenavbm1229
@bikenavbm1229 3 месяца назад
What a story and what a teller of, and well done interviewer for letting the Man speak. Thanks for letting us here it and thanks to the very long roll call of peeps who did stuff to ensure that you made it back to tell us about it, great that you mentioned them too.
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
Thank you
@Luddite-vd2ts
@Luddite-vd2ts 3 месяца назад
I thought the same thing as I listened to him. The discipline of thought, yet freedom, creativity and positivity were all very evident. A result of training in the field. I get the same vibe from the Mentour Pilot RU-vid Channel, who's brilliant at explaining technical issues.
@marklinehan6000
@marklinehan6000 3 месяца назад
I’m humbled listening to this incredible story, and Jon’s gratitude and recognition of all the other trades and ground crew who contributed to his successful escape, survival and rehabilitation.
@notmenotme614
@notmenotme614 3 месяца назад
Martin Baker have a reputation of being the best ejector seats in the world. It’s testament to how good they are when other nations buy Martin Baker ejector seats for their own aircraft. The US Navy was a big user of them and to be honest the F-35 is an American product, so for a Martin Baker seat to be selected for the F-35 rather than an American seat says a lot.
@theflyingfool
@theflyingfool 3 месяца назад
@JonHancock-go1tu Firstly, I'd like say what an amazing tale you told. Secondly, how well you told it. Thirdly, I loved reading the way the newspaper articles inflated the time you spent in the sea! I wonder if the second journalist read the first article and thought he'd make it "better"? I've read John Nichols superb book and it really does highlight the relentless search for perfection, dedication and unwavering skill of the Martin-Baker team. It gave a profound insight into their work that would otherwise be lost to us lay people. I used to work as a nurse in the NHS, so I've got a bad back from years of lifting patients. Perhaps it's a good thing the Cessna 152 that I fly nowadays doesn't have an ejection seat :D
@alanbrown5593
@alanbrown5593 3 месяца назад
I really cannot see this interview being surpassed. Great editing, and allowing Herbie to tell the story, his way, without interruption. BZ
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
Wow, thank you!
@WOFFY-qc9te
@WOFFY-qc9te 3 месяца назад
@@Aircrewinterview I echo Alans comment, it is a skill to listen and not break Herbie's flow or take his thunder. Most interesting interview.
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
@@WOFFY-qc9te cheers. Absolutely, the guest should always be the focus/star of the chat and allow them to go with it as it makes for a better video. Thanks again.
@norbertwilfredban6743
@norbertwilfredban6743 3 месяца назад
Wow...what a story. Very well detailed with lots of typical Air Force humor too. Thanks.
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
Cheers
@philroberts8725
@philroberts8725 17 часов назад
HEY John Boy!!!! Phil Roberts here!!! 18 the A Team!!! You always were an impresive guy and we knew you would do well, as for chosing to swim in the North Sea, well that is a different matter. You must have visited AKR when I was OC TASF there. Would love to catch up. Cheers, Phil.
@Lee78072
@Lee78072 3 месяца назад
What a Story. And he is such a cool Guy. Really love this VIdeo. GREAT JOB😍
@Parawingdelta2
@Parawingdelta2 3 месяца назад
I made a demonstration parachute jump into the sea south of Sydney, Australia. I'd been given what resembled children's 'water wings' as floatation gear. I was wearing a helmet, a cotton jumpsuit, leather boots and two smoke cannisters on my ankles. On the descent, I lost my floatation gear. After hitting the water, all the gear started getting heavy to the point where I was struggling to keep afloat. When a boat came to pick me up, they ran straight over the suspension lines of the parachute and in an attempt to extract themselves were ignoring my call for assistance. I could see me drowning twenty feet from the boat. When I finally got in the boat, I was instructed to get out and untangle the lines from the propeller!
@casperk1w1
@casperk1w1 3 месяца назад
Brilliantly told. Enjoyed every minute!
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
Thank you!
@roseybut
@roseybut 3 месяца назад
Brilliant. Thank you both.
@Daniel-S1
@Daniel-S1 3 месяца назад
Thanks.
@brianford8493
@brianford8493 3 месяца назад
Brilliant just brilliant...Dad was ground crew on 111
@julianneale6128
@julianneale6128 3 месяца назад
What a fantastic story!
@raymondshaw5685
@raymondshaw5685 3 месяца назад
excellent interview, and so glad he is here to talk about it
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
Cheers
@SJF15
@SJF15 3 месяца назад
That was a fantastic interview, I really enjoyed it. Thank you!
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
Cheers
@craigevans6156
@craigevans6156 3 месяца назад
What a story teller!
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
He sure is!
@markbowman2890
@markbowman2890 3 месяца назад
'Big day out' (pardon his pun)
@roverboat2503
@roverboat2503 3 месяца назад
What a lucid commentary. Excellent.
@brabhamfreaman166
@brabhamfreaman166 3 месяца назад
2:18 “Early on a Monday morning in the briefing room, mugs of tea in hand…” 😂 was a more quintessentially (modern) British sentence yet uttered?
@fox3wheresmybanana386
@fox3wheresmybanana386 2 месяца назад
Herbie, one of my very capable, and patient, navs on the F3. Well told, mate!
@JonHancock-go1tu
@JonHancock-go1tu 2 месяца назад
Thank you, plus a fine weekend in Bitburg too, I seem to recall!
@traildogisla
@traildogisla 21 день назад
Just catching up with Aircrew interview, excellent episode! Would like to see you interview Rory Underwood, he did a recent one with some who clearly knew very little about aviation, Rory needs a better flying interview
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 21 день назад
@@traildogisla watch this space ;)
@traildogisla
@traildogisla 21 день назад
@@Aircrewinterview well that is exciting! He was on 360sqn with my father, I would love to hear him get into the details of 360sqn life and the role. I once, as a young lad, got a pair of his shorts from a baa baa's game, he had already promised his jersey to someone else 😂
@alanleblanc1763
@alanleblanc1763 3 месяца назад
I wondered how much more powerful the spey engine was Than the J79
@cam5376
@cam5376 3 месяца назад
And great story well told.
@jameswells6206
@jameswells6206 3 месяца назад
Would be great if you could get a british apache pilot on for an interview?
@Adam-Andrews-1725
@Adam-Andrews-1725 3 месяца назад
What if you eject over 10,000ft MSL but the ground is at 9,800ft MSL? Will you hit a mountain sill in your seat?
@JonHancock-go1tu
@JonHancock-go1tu 3 месяца назад
Good question. If we were detached to operate over such high terrain, the barostat could be adjusted to take that into account and would operate at a higher altitude. In a similar mould, we would have different sets of survival equipment fitted into our seat packs.
@Adam-Andrews-1725
@Adam-Andrews-1725 3 месяца назад
@@JonHancock-go1tu sort of the same as our automatic activation devices on our reserve parachutes in skydiving. They fire our reserves if we are unconscious at about 750ft. But we can adjust if the ground level is different where we are jumping to where we took off.
@JonHancock-go1tu
@JonHancock-go1tu 3 месяца назад
@@Adam-Andrews-1725 Nice to know! During my career, more automatics were introduced into our safety equipment: live saving jacket auto inflation (though the drill was still to inflate manually) on contact with water in case of incapacitation, auto dinghy inflation, plus better seat features such as arm restraints and better leg restraint systems.
@rickhammer1905
@rickhammer1905 3 месяца назад
Excellent interview!!!
@Aircrewinterview
@Aircrewinterview 3 месяца назад
Cheers
@andrewhenly9057
@andrewhenly9057 3 месяца назад
What was the outcome of the board of enquiry?
@JonHancock-go1tu
@JonHancock-go1tu 3 месяца назад
I’m sure you’ll understand if I only comment on me. I was exonerated. Essentially, there was insufficient time for me to see what was happening, assimilate and assess it, communicate it, and then for my pilot to do the same, and act on it. The human factors folks (it was known as something else in those days) looked after me. I was criticised for banging the quick release box and wearing non-standard gloves, all survival related stuff. The accident became a case study in the Royal Air Force Flying Supervisors’ Course for many years after. My last F3 trip was in 2008, 21 years and approx 3000+ fast-jet flying hours later.
@andrewhenly9057
@andrewhenly9057 3 месяца назад
@@JonHancock-go1tu Thanks Jon, as an ex liney I knew a few growbags that had been through BoE's must have been a pretty tense time.
@JonHancock-go1tu
@JonHancock-go1tu 3 месяца назад
@@andrewhenly9057 It wasn't great. Thankfully, the culture has changed (or is changing in some quarters), less 'blame' culture, more 'just' culture. I did one of the first BoIs from the other side (in 1996), where apportionment of blame was not part of the process.
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