As a coach I can tell you that most parents are great to have at games, but those who think their kid is SPECIAL, and GIFTTED are usually the parents that should just shut the hell up or stay at home.
That's nonsense. The center referee gave a vague warning; but the one thing he was specific about was that he didn't want the coach to say a word to him. The coach vented to the AR respectfully, and the center ref is not being reasonable to kick him out for that.
@@FavreianVengeance We don’t know what was said before that; I assume it was not the first warning. But he said not to speak to the AR again; he is “telling” the coach to stop. In literally less than 10 seconds, the coach is talking to the AR again. My referee assignor once told us; “In my experience, 80% of coaches apologize once you ask them to stop. The next 15% are quiet after you give two warnings (Ask, Tell). The last 5% are idiots and get what they deserve.” This guy is in that 5%. 🤣
Yep. (old guy mode on) Back in my day, we played football, basketball, baseball, ... nearly everything, in unorganized neighborhood matches. No officials, no or few spectators, and ALWAYS managed to resolve disputes. Well, sometimes tempers would flare - but that was part of the fun. Then we turned around and made it difficult for our children to experience the same thing - albeit mostly out of a desire to make things better for them. It's not all bad now - but the neighborhood pickup games - once a nearly daily thing, are pretty rare now, and that's for sure not a good thing.
Ok. I know I'll get some argument thrown at me for saying this, so I'll just speak my mind. I am a Grade 7 Referee in Texas, which basically means I can referee up to Div 1 Adult Games (which I have). The Referee in a soccer game, of any age, has the right, at any point in time, to handle, and therefore dismiss, any coach, spectator, bystander or parent, that verbally or physically abuses him, his or her assistants or any other people that have to do with the game. As you can see from the video, the coach was dismissed for dissent towards the referee (he kept berating the linesman) and therefore the referee handled himself correctly. The parent that was subsequently ejected was dismissed for entering the field of play without permission (which they are not allowed to without the referee's permission until the game has ended). In conclusion, the referee handled himself correctly in this situation.
+Victor K Good for you. So am I. I am a grade 6 state referee in Texas. So what you're saying is that at any point in time, the home team can eject whoever they want for any reason... That's completely stupid. The referee, and only the referee, can eject ANYONE at any time, without reason necessary.
+Julien Tagnon I'd like to apologize. USSF and PRO rules in the US are probably different than in Sweden. Here in the states, we (as the referee) are the ones that handle ejections for both teams. It must be different in Sweden.
+Victor K not but your also wrong about home team ejected a parent from going on the field that is responsible of the referee but keep thinking its not. usually in the past most leagues didn't want officials to handle the parents. When we had an issue for youth softball in states... the home team had to handle there team... we had the assnt commission sit with fans to make sure they behave themselves from the night before
That coach is pathetic. THE SECOND I see a coach arguing with an AR, it is an immediate CAUTION. He should know better and should set a MUCH better example for this team.
Kudos to the ref! I wish more refs would 'take charge' like that. I have seen way too many coaches and parents out of control. With the parents, many times it was because they lacked the knowledge of the rules, especially slide tackles. They would be screaming, demanding a red card for a well executed tackle because their child went down.
never has there been a coach ejected from a game who did not deserve it 15 minutes earlier. the coach is a fool who is unfit to be instructing children.
The referee did everything correctly, including the part of ejecting him from the parking lot. He needs to leave the "sight and sound" of the field, which includes the parking lot.
@@vlz.matthew - you can't hear what he initially did, that brought the referee's attention. But, you do see that the referee cautions the coach for his behaviour. After that, the coach has words with the assistant referee (you can hear the ref refer to him as "AR"). While you can't hear it, it's most likely something disparaging about the main referee. The referee hears it and sends the coach off. Like many coaches, he believes that now that he has been sent off - there's no further punishment that can be levied against him. So, he decides to have a bit of a say. Guess what? If you don't leave, when you're ejected, that's when the punishments (even at amateur level) can get quite serious. After the coach leaves, you can then hear a new person getting involved. He demands to know the name of the referee (if he was involved with either team, he'd have it already). He says something like "What is your name, or do you not have any balls to back up....". That statement goes into threatening territory - so he gets sent off too. I've refereed at a lot of levels, including this age of kids. So many coaches, that take this age level, are the absolute worst. When you see older, professional, players with really bad habits/attitudes - they learn that from bad coaches, at this level.
Hello all, a little clarification although "Frank Martinez" stated below very well. I will add a couple of items, you will not change the call of a ref, so it doesn't do any good to question them, for those that don't understand dissent, it is very easy- look it up. It can be a gesture or verbal action with words in agreement with or against the referee- the expression or holding of opinions at variance with those previously, commonly, or officially held. But putting it plainly you shouldn't speak to the referee or the officiating crew at all, this is the job of the team captains. this behavior is learned by players and why some games get out of control, because of this very circumstance. I referee at a high level as well as Coach in Northern California. Not all referees will handle things this way- and some slightly different. One person mention the ask, tell, remove- this is true, and it appears he did this but very quickly while the coach was still arguing. you also dont know everyihtng from this short clip of what occurred so its easy to specualte that the ref did somehting wrong. But dissent initself is a cautionable offense without a warning! the fact that he committed it several times and possibly to a youth referee, he was justified. Also stepping onto the pitch is a cautionable offense without the permission of the referee. If you notice both the head coach and assistant coach did the same thing and by right, they both could have been removed. Now some of you may say that's harsh, but guess wht this is how you control matches or they get out of hand.
That ref handled that send off in a very professional manner. He did not get angry, nor raise his voice, he told the coach he was gone. We ask, we tell, we dismiss.
Just dealt with a potty mouth coach this weekend. His girls also have said not so kind words to my daughter and her team. I guess they are learning from his behavior?
Same with me. I played a game and the girls were talking trash and being mean to me and my team. The coach was also very mean. We ended up beating them 5-1 so I guess we proved them wrong!
What the video doesn't show and what started this is the coach making snide comments to the Asst Ref on his sideline. The Asst Ref was a young kid and the coach was trying to intimidate them.
This coach should spend more time worrying about teaching his players how to play than arguing with refs. I never understood why a coach would bother getting upset with a ref at such a low level. They can hardly kick the ball what calls could be so important in this game anyways?
Some coaches concentrate more on arguing every single call with the ref and forget about motivating their own team and setting a example for them. What the ref did wrong on this one, he re started the game right away, he should have pick up the ball and not start the game until he was completely off the field.
maybe. maybe not. i think the ref handled the situation just fine. he ejected the coach and ejected a second person after being cursed at. look at the kids while all of this is happening. they are waiting and waiting for the game to begin again. just a poor job of coaching by the "adults" on the field.
From what I can see, it looks like the AR is a youth himself. When I ref i make it very clear to coaches that my youth AR's are 100% off limits. I let them know that even a hint of a problem with my youth AR's will end their day. They are kids themselves and should not at any time be badgered by a coach or parent. If the ARs are adults, then they can ask questions, gripe a bit, but there is a line. For youth ARs, that line is anything more "how you doing today". That includes snide comments.
@CSFLChampion You will find that all refs have different styles. Indeed we all have different techniques. Some refs are take a "hard" approach to the games because it works for them. Some of us break alot easier than others. I will personally will NOT stand for any coach or parent who tries to get on a youth referee. We are scarce as it is and we cant afford people scaring them off when they are young and trying to improve their refereeing skills.
The approach you speak of is not my preferred style of referee, but being power hungry works for some referees, sometimes we have no choice. This AR was obviously a youth referee and a good referee will not allow any coaches to intimidate them. The approach a coach takes will decide what reaction a referee will take. If you question something, it wont be good. If you ask for a clarification, most referees will glad give it to you at a later time, either after the game or at halftime.
They always say: "What's your name?" My answer is always the same. Ask your club, they have access to the assignor and you can deal with the matter. I never heard from anyone, and I lost count how many coaches and parents I sent off over the many years. The reason you don't hear is that they know they are wrong and cannot pursue anything, just cannot admit at that moment. This fellow referee handle it the right way. In my State is "sight and sound", if I can see the coach I won't start the game. It's that simple.
@CSFLChampion Heh. Well, I've never seen a referee change their mind when confronted by a foul-mouthed coach. I have, however, seen many coaches who take a referee class and taken on the task of refereeing a match change their entire outlook on referees, and how difficult it actually is... And just FYI, no AYSO referees are paid. Only USSF-affiliated referees are paid. AYSO is an all-volunteer organization.
The league my daughter played in had 6 teams. 5 of the 6 had parents and coaches who were amazing. That 6th team had coaches that complained every time the ref blew the whistle, and the parents were nothing but whining shit stains. Let the kids play and let the officials ref.
I had to toss a coach and an assistant coach on Father's Day. First time I've had to do that. This is exactly how they acted. The whole argument was on handling calls at midfield, and they didn't understand the Laws.
Last year at the state finals for U14, a young girl on the opposing team was elbowing our girls (hiding it well too) and she eventually dropped one down. She acted like she didn't know why our girl had fallen. I got upset and said "let's keep it clean ladies! this is soccer, not wrestling.." the girl looks at me and says "I AM PLAYING SOCCER" I'm 25, she was 14. I kept my mouth shut, she then yelled "MOM, THIS GUYS TALKING CRAP!" and they threatened to kick me out. I seriously said NOTHING WRONG
Perhaps American adults take themselves just a bit too seriously and a large dose of HUMILITY is long overdue for the many of these overgrown pre adolescents desperately trying to relive THEY'RE youth through today's kids.
A trainer is not allowed to enter the pitch, and should be sent off right away if he does so, especially wehn they're complaining about a referee's decision. The referee did a good job.
Our girls play in Super II U13 (select/competitive talent) and during the spring, they mix the Division II (recreational) and the competitive teams. Our girls were beating one of the lower division teams 6-0 and their coach started yelling and saying that our girls were cheaters because they should be playing in an upper division and that our girls were very unprofessional. Some coaches are idiots. Just because our girls work harder and train harder doesn't give anyone the right to degrade them.
@jakobus615 I will NOT allowed a coach, or anybody for that matter, to try and insult or intimidate a youth referee, especially if they are my AR's. If a referee is not doing a good job, it is my job to correct them, not the coach or parent and will take care of it after the game or at halftime. I say this to all coaches who get on referees: You become a better team by winning. Same as referees, you dont get better by having great games.
@CSFLChampion They're just enforcing the Laws of the Game. If a coach is asked to leave for disruptive behavior, they must leave the vicinity of play. No one should be able to see or hear them for the remainder of the match. Correct decision.
Problem with this video is we don't know what led to this. As former player and coach I have never seen more bad refereeing then I have since my daughter started travel. Referees essentially acting as the additional player on the field and making calls in favor of the home team. Not calling fouls especially where dangerous play is involved. So while the coach should have kept his cool. We don't know if the ref is innocent of anything prior to this video recording being started.
This is ridiculous. I have never ever worked with a referee anywhere that said "well let's screw up this team today" and set out making calls against one side. Plus, referees aren't employed or hired by a club or "home team," they are independently assigned to games. I don't care who you are, the referee made the right decision here, and accusing the referee of being biased is one of the most incorrect statements you could make...seems like you're the only biased one here.
Brandon ASV Instructor I don't know where you live, but I live in western PA. Clubs here do in fact hire the ref's that judge the games. There are ref's that I have seen first hand actively call games in favor of their home team. In fact when I was coaching to avoid this issue. I told my girls score goals. So they can't deny you a win. When I saw the same girl commit multiple fouls in front of the ref. As I stated one being she was face to face with my daughter and shoved her. He let that foul go. Now you may not like what I had to say. I really don't care if you do. Bad calls are a problem in your field.
Nick Woten they have some of the worst ref's I have ever come across. They are completely incapable of being impartial in a game. One thing I learned as a coach in that league. The only way to deal with situations like that. Is to score as many goals as you can. The ref's no matter where you travel act as the extra player on the field. I have seen blatant and very dangerous fouls ignored by ref's. When a child has been injured having to scream at the top of my lungs to get the ref's attention. Despite the player being obviously hurt. That nasty gram that was sent out by PA West. Without advising that bad behavior from ref's will be addressed.
+Annice Michelle I can only speak to my experience, but that experience is both as a current referee and a current travel soccer coach. (Also the father of a player who is himself a referee). In all the games that I have refereed and coached, there are only two times where I have genuinely believed that there was a referee who was a true "homer"--actually calling the game in one team's favor. In one case, I still believe that; in the other, I have since heard from others who played for that club that the referee does not favor the team, but is simply a horrible referee. More often, a bad referee is not actually for or against one team, but instead either his personal style of play or his inability to "read" fouls results in one team's style being benefited by the referee. Not by intent on the referee's part, but instead by his own incompetence. I once worked for a center referee who called every little brush as a foul. When he was (justifiably) criticized by a coach due to a goal being scored on what should not have been a foul, he ejected the coach outright. Now I'm sure that coach believes that this referee was biased against him. In fact, both of us who were his assistant referee's were convinced that he was "simply" a terrible referee with thin skin. On the other side, often one will see well-coached teams work to find out just how far they can "push the line" in terms of physical play. Unfortunately, a team which is prone to do this will get substantial advantage over another team if the referee doesn't have the courage or foul recognition to blow the whistle and issue appropriate cards. So I understand your frustration, but as a coach, referee, and parent my experience is that it is more due to incompetence by some than outright bias. That may not make it much better to accept.... No referees who I respect ever worry about who the home team is. We try to call a fair match. The best compliment that I can receive as a referee is to have the losing team's coach, players, or spectators tell me that I did a good job. And this happens quite frequently.
And the end of the day, is it worth for a girls U13 rec game? I understand the emotions but they have to understand its just a game at the end of the day, and life moves on. Your kid will not suffer thru life because they didn't get or get a call against them. Girls are like, can we just play already?
I would've liked to have seen this video start about 30 seconds to a minute before. Then I would know if the coach actually said a word or not. As it is now, I can't tell because the video starts at the time the ref decided to caution the coach.
He was obviously talking to the near-side AR, who appeared to be young and new to refereeing. Good on the center ref for protecting the young AR from abuse. Look, the coach got his warning, then turned back, and appearing to continue talking towards the AR. Sure, it may not have been a lot that was said, but he had gotten his warning and chose to ignore it. And I really can't fault the ref for protecting the young AR.
Cannot believe I'm reading comments from stating that refs intentionally throw games at the youth level, never seen at the highest level. Now parents and coaches I've seen them throw temper tantrums in rec soccer at u10😂
If the kids are not bothered by the bad call why throw a fit it's about the kids .let them play without a stupid coach being a sore looser .he should not coach if he can't control his temper if my daughter was on a team and this happened I'd try to move her to a different team or replace the coach
the only question i have , for most of these sports videos, is " where " are the games being played? if it is on school grounds , or any private facility, then fine...if it is on a public pitch, then all the ref can do is abandon the game.
@@traciemckinnon4052 If it is ' public ' land , then anyone can stand there. he is not trespassing. private land , he can be removed. whatever the league rules are , if its ' public ' land , ref can not do a thing. i think it must have been private land.
@@richard6440 while you may be correct that the ref can't force the coach off public land, what he is legally entitled to do is forfeit the game on the coach for not leaving the field of play upon ejection.
@@paulmiddleton4215 The field of play is the pitch itself. IF it is public land, he can stand right on the sidelines. The ref better have a VERY good reason to abandon or forfeit the game.
We don’t know the whole story but why is it that everyone can be ejected EXCEPT the ref? Some refs are just horrible and have no business in the sport. I think there should be a backup and if both benches agree then the ref can be ejected and replaced.
Instead of your unlikely scenario of having a back up referee at low level youth soccer games, maybe you become a referee yourself? Are you willing to take the classes, continuing education, give up nights and weekends, make split decisions, enforce the laws of the game and deal with parents and coaches who don’t know the rules and disrupt the game while voicing their ignorance? Happy to have you.
@@freckledbandit8017 orrrrrr here’s an idea. The ones that take the classes, give up nights and weekends, continue their education, make split decisions and all that obvious stuff you said, and still suck at the job don’t get to be officials anymore. I’m not saying I could do better I’m saying the ones doing it need to do better.
Two years ago, a referee was yelled at by you for sucking and quit. It was his first season. He was going to be really good but... Not anymore. That is what your attitude leads to.
