00:00 Freyja 00:55 Hornsent 01:21 Moore 01:47 Dryleaf Dane 01:58 Sir Ansbach 03:32 Thiollier 04:13 Leda Soundtrack of the fight: "Those United In Common Cause"
THIS is what I wanted the Roundtable hold to be in the Base Game. A group of people with diffrent convictions but one goal. Only to face off when the Goal is coming to sight.
Yeap! Some people complained about how the narrative is more obvious and linear this DLC. In my opinion, this has been the best change to FromSoft souls-like narrative in years.
Yeah but this is kinda nice! It shows Miquella might have truly been the best solution to the Lands Between, he managed to make everyone fight together.
@@cursedkei66 Yeah, exactly. Whie I don't hate the traditional way From handles it's NPC Questlines, having the NPCs actully meaningfully interact with each other makes the entire Setting more belivable.
It kinda happened but with Volcano Manor and Varre questline - we hunted down all Tarnished that were on their path to become Elden Lord, Vyke was closest but he was locked down in evergaol, the difference is everyone here is either With or Against Miquella
@@cursedkei66 hopefully they continue to improve upon this. imo fromsoft games have always had amazing lore but the storytelling was never my favorite. npcs felt lackluster a lot of the times and real connections were never made with them aside from a few.
Not to mention that is most likely the canon outcome for the fight, since both Ansbach and Thiollier are later found dead inside Radahn and Miquella's arena.
i love how the seemingly "bad" npcs actually come to help you ansbach a follower of mohg and thollier that wants to be the only one recieving st trina's dreams alongside invading you
It's also funny because Leda didn't consider Tholier a threat, she thought he was way to devoted to Trina/Miquella to betray them, but there he is, aiding us, even Ansbach acknowledged him proper
@@mohgceoofblood8235 St. Trina was an aspect of Miquella so it makes sense that Leda would consider someone who loved her to be loyal to Miquella. But Miquella cast St. Trina aside, and Tholier chose her over Miquella when their interests were no longer aligned.
@@ast12321well, yeah. st trina herself said to kill miquella. it’s not really too much of a surprise that thiollier would want to fulfill that, assuming they overcome the initial mistrust they had towards your words.
Sir Ansbach is so......awesome! Despite being a follower of Mohg he just comes off as a loyal friend and honorable warrior. I like that there's also no harsh dialog between all the tarnished, only respect and understanding that there's no turning back.
Honestly, Mogh in general deserves better, he was charmed by Miquella to sacrifice his body, only for Miquella to use him as a vessel for Rhadan. Remind you, Mogh was very vulnerable, he was imprisoned below the capital, and was desperate for the love of a mother, so much so that he was reached by the Mother of Truth who gave him power over his blood.Miquella probably charmed him ,giving him hope that he woud create his own family, his own dinasty, only using his hope for his own goals.
Ansbach being such a wholesome and stoic guy makes me think Mohg may not have been such an evil person, sure he probably had aims to destroy the people of the erdtree and erase Marika's Golden Order, but he also was willing to accept those who swore fealty. Okina, Ansbach, Eleonora were all tarnished and Marika's people, the mother who abandoned him. Yet Mohg offered them a place in his dynasty despite this.
Hopefully a sign of what's to come for their next games I don't care about all the lore nerds watching hours of YT videos and reading doc texts of item descriptions I want NPC's to actually feel meaningful and have some stakes in the unfolding story, we already got that in AC6 and characters were so fun to listen to
Its rare sight, there were few instances before, Laurence and his master in bloodborne, Sekiro had conversation's you could eave's drop on, but seeing actual dialogue exchanges, characters actually responding and challenging each others perspectives? its beautiful, even for what little of it there is. I was so dumbstruck at how awful and artificial NPC's interactions were in the base game, playing elementary school telephone between Hewg and Roderika, between Ranni and her vassals literally spawning in separate rooms despite the moon gazing grounds being PERFECT for a brain trust meeting. the fact that EVERY NPC duo was only paired with a mute or a corpse like Goldmask or Lanya. not to mention how dull the monologues the characters usually spout are, always stoically rambling about abstract concepts and meandering diatribes while maintaining this weirdly forced sense of composure as if they were reading their lines at gun point, even ones that require characters to raise their voice like Jerren and Shabriri felt very restrained. I was so flabbergasted to see Kale's questline cut when his character exuded so much profound venomous emotions and genuine grief that feels like so few characters were allowed to express, so hearing Igon just SCREAM his heart out "BAAAAAAAAAYLE" in an Ahab-esque defiance of his white whale was absolutely phenomenal.
@@spicydong317100% Miyazaki even acknowledged the player love for co-op mods, maybe in a future title there could be party system like Baldur's Gate 3, play along with summons or npcs that have specific questlines and interactions.
I wish bosses would talk more during the fights, especially the demigods. Imagine if Messmer was just shit talking you during his fight, questioning why the tarnished were given grace while he was abandoned in the shadow realm. It did wonders for Morgotts character, would be great for the others.
It’s baffling they don’t do it when they did it for Armored core 6. The fights in that game were made so much more impactful by the voice lines during them - Ayre’s Rusty’s and Allminds come to mind
But not every attempt please. It would drive me insane to hear the same banter over and over again. The voice lines on death are already more than enough for me. The way Mesmer says "Mesmers flame" will haunt me for weeks to come.
One of the coolest things about this fight is that once you beat them all, instead of only finding their gear strewn about the arena you find their bodies all posed as if they had fallen in battle Really sells the effects of the battle for me especially given that I really liked all of them and would’ve preferred not to kill them
@@alexv1154a necessary sacrifice to stop Miquella. The demigod who abandoned both his body and mind. To abandon his fears and even his Love. To be reborn as a God, at such a high price, Miquella’s transition to Godhood is basically Griffith becoming Femto. Miyazaki showing us his inspirations to the end!
It breaks my heart when he doesn’t even fight you and instead considers you a friend. But when you talk to him he says that we are the only one that comes by and that everyone else doesn’t come to see him anymore, never to realize that we are the ones who killed his only friends.
I like the shades of grey in this conflict. Clearly, Marika and we as her soon-to-be consort are monsters, but so is Miquella. There is no right and wrong here; the only thing that matters is that 'a crown is warranted with strength!' Lord Godfrey was right all along. Marika's words are also very much true: 'Make of yourselves that which ye desire. Be it a Lord. Be it a God. But should ye fail to become aught at all, ye will be forsaken. Amounting only to sacrifices...'
@@ett375Kinda bummed that we couldn’t hear him out and choose to side with him as an option and do his own questline like Ranni’s. Or that he wasn’t competely altruistic after all and started to fall in the same pitfalls as his mother, Marika.
@@ett375He is definitely well intentioned and truly wishes to create a better place but lost himself in the process and went about it in a morally questionable manner.
This was honestly somewhat cool. I felt pretty invested in the characters and don't at all mind how everything ended up. After beating the final boss though, I kinda felt empty standing all alone in the middle of that arena. Literally you're the only one left and we don't even get a new ending. I know I killed a God, but it felt like I didn't really ended up achieving anything for the game.
I believe that is the point. Not just of the DLC but Elden Ring in its entirety. It's about the futile nature of war, conflict and domination. You end up with nothing but sacrifices, in the words of Marika. I think you are supposed to feel empty. War, bringing in new ages of conflict in the name of declaring godhood or royalty, is pointless.
@@sourxpill Oh wow that's so new and interesting, too bad there isn't a series of games called Dark Souls where this is literally the same thing. With Miyazaki its always the same shit every time. He can't write so he just makes a dead world. As long as there's feet and a swamp in the game, he's good. Oh, you can instant block now, but only for 3 minutes because that makes sense. Fuck this series. ER is Souls for normies, made open world to suck people with no taste and like big ass dead spaces devoid of unique and well-crafted content, and marketed as having some "deep story penned by GRRM" just to suck in more people who have no damn taste. Its not a good game, and the Souls formula is fucking stale.
You're competing with Miquella and Radahn for the place of Elden Lord and God, your own God being Marika. You don't get a new ending because the DLC is not a separate thing. It's happening in parallel to the base game. You have to stop Miquella from becoming a God because if he did, he'd replace Marika and Radahn would become the Elden Lord which is what you want to become. Also when you get grabbed in the final fight Miquella says he promises you a 1000 year voyage. That's interestingly the same thing Ranni says in her ending. So maybe Miquella doesn't want to change the world as we know it but instead leave it altogether. We know that the Greater Will is a cosmic entity that basically just happened to come across this world. If Miquella had the capacity to change the world as he wants then why undertake a voyage like that?
The music, the friends you made, the arena, the fighting between them. This is amazing. I always love the trope of "friends UNTIL the end." Where for one reason or another, they're forced to fight and kill one another. Each for a cause they think is right.
When I heard Ansbach was a pureblood knight loyal to Mohg I thought... "ahh shit he's gonna kill me when he finds out" He is now my best bro and I will protect him at all costs
Actually if you answer him you have no idea as for his question of what to do when abandoned he gets to be the merchant there in his first place forever
That "For the dignity of my lord and master, Mohg" line solidified Ansbach as my favorite character in the dlc. He initially seems suspicious since he serves the Lord of Blood and seems like he has similar motivations to Gideon, but he really just wants to find out what happened to someone he truly valued and respected and, later on, restore their honor. And unlike a lot of other souls npcs, he succeeds in the end. The dlc massively improved Mohg's reputation and you avenge his defilement by beating the end boss. Truly an amazing character.
Now imagine if some other NPCs from the base game could join you too if they lived at this time. In particular Bernahl and Millicent. "I don't know where I am, I don't know who I'm fighting but my friend called and I shall answer"
My only gripe with this fight is that it would be so cool if we had even more variations of it. As far as I know, the only meaningful changes we can do is making so that Hornsent, Freja and Moore doesn’t show up(Ansbach doesn’t count since he is replaced by a Sanguine). It would be funny to even get a variation where it’s just Leda against everyone else and she goes insane and screams “Traitors!” like a lunatic.
It would be funny, but Leda would probably say something along the lines that she misjudged everybody, she is a natural paranoid, if she saw everybody turning agaisnt Miquella she wouldnt be that surprised imo
@@richy9589 Yeah true, but also this is a Fromsoftware game, calm and collected characters making a 180 and start rambling like lunatics isn’t that rare of an occurrence. (This DLC alone has like 2)
This fight broke my heart. Especially Moore. He was a good fella. He just wanted to find things and make people happy. Oh and the music was just wonderful.
Literally the most hype thing in the entire game, summoning both ansbach and thiollier, and them both arriving just to turn the tide in our favors, the best.
Gotta love the fact that if you have finished the game and turned into the elden lord, THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT! I think it's the first time we see an NPC in a fromsoft game acknowledge what you accomplished your end goal, I mean, everyone in the roundtable is dead by the end, so it only makes sense that the Miquella's Gang are the only ones that know about you turning into the Elden Lord.
they say you "might" become elden lord, since you canonically have two great runes before you can access the dlc, so they just assumed your the closest to the throne, Miquella also acknowledged this calling you "aspiring" lord of the old order.
If you answer Moore that you don't know, he will stick around and survive. He's sad that no one comes to visit except you, but at least he's alive. I wish there was some way to save the Hornsent, but siding with him against Leda and summoning him for Messmer just causes him to invade you at Rauh. I didn't give the scorpion stew so I wonder if that might change anything.
Is this fight hyped enough and emotional enough? Yes Does this fight shows each characters' special traits and abilities? Yes Is this fight actually challenging but fair and fun? Yes Does this fight not try to absolutely brick your console with seventy thousand pillars of lights? Yes Yup, better than the final boss
Fromsoft games, or just any other games, need more stuff like this. All of those npc quests lead to this grand finale, with unique interactions depending on your choices. This was an awesome experience.
God this is the coolest moment in the entire DLC, thanks so much for this, I was sad that I didn't get some of the dialogue during my fight cause some of them died too quick
"Let's make it something to remember." This fight will never be lost in my memories. A truly wonderful story it was. In spite of this fight breaking my heart, I loved it. All the characters that I met and liked having to fight each other and you. except St. Trina BTW if you have not yet visited her, stop reading this comment and see her because SPOILER AHEAD. She also had a tragic end. In the end, all the characters left us alone...
I found this dlc as fromsoft way of experimenting with both boss fight and npc The boss fight being more of a cinematic set piece And the npc quest line have more interaction with other quest line
The things about Miquella is i agree with his goal, a leader with compaction and willing to do good for those who are suffering, yet the way he achieve it is the same as Marika once did, they all think the end justifies the mean, and who's to say Miquella won't turn out just like Marika once he hold power.... Yet i do wish we can have a Miquella ending, which we heal the world and make it a gentler place.
he spoke ill of genocide marika but ended up following her steps. i bet u marika once had his same vision and ill bet u he will end up like her of he achieved his goal. maybe become even worse.
@@Reemon27 The whole Shaman Villiage showed that. Marika once had a noble Goal and clear aspirations, only to have it all be washed away. Even she realised how pointless it all was in the End and shattered the Ring and herself.
miquella had kind goals, but had to abandon everything that made himself kind in order to become a god. his heart and his love were abandoned, and so he became a true reflection of marika in the end marika saw the genocide of her home, and set on a path to make the world right. but in the end, all she did was cause the same pain for everyone else
@@plinfan6541Marika did believe in the Order and the Greater Will until she sought to understand it and its secrets, and as soon as she learned the truth she knew she had to rid the world of the outer god's influence. Miquella came close to his goal of doing better, his only mistake was casting away his compassion and love and seal her deep beneath the earth. In the end only Ranni succeeded, she casts away her flesh so she cannot be controlled and her soul remains whole and her own
@@thecommentguy9380 When you put it that way, it's crazy how the most "handicapped" side managed to win out most by the end (assuming Tarnished becomes Ranni's consort). Really, Ranni even just by the beginning of her scheme, took a massive gamble in stealing the Rune of Death and having to shed her own flesh. Not only that, but her kingdom was fallen and its retainers won't even help her, her mother's gone crazy, her only active helpers are three creaking old men (one of which, plans to betray her), and she has to BOTH find a lost city and kill a demigod to get what she needs. What the hell was she planning to do if the Tarnished hadn't come along? (Oh right, she ends up not doing much of those things by the time you choose another ending).
Yeah, Leda was a little bloodlusted, Freyja was ok with tainting her lord's honorable death, Hornsent was crazy for revenge, and Dane was just a weirdo. Only one I regret killing is Moore.
Wow... Screw these poor victims that miquella chose to help, how dare they serve a kind person striving to help everyone be happy Like wow dude, you sound really cool saying stuff like that
I like how the characters actually talk to each other in battle. I think the only other time this happened in the souls games was in DS2 with Pate and Creighton.
2:31 I’m glad Freyja didn’t get to finish saying Radahn‘s name before she died, because we all know this conflict would only sully Radahn’s honor now we know Miquella’s dark secrets.
@@caveformations1337 umm, the fact that in the story Freyja clearly said that they had a vow means that he did accept it. He might have rejected it later which is why Miquella sent Melania to defeat him
@@gilchristdavid8473 its still not a confirmation. It can be Miquella just saying they had a vow to Freyja, but can be part of the manipulation. Radahn has no shown answer to Miquella as well.
@@MrVictor1227We don't know, because they intentionally kept it vague. Regardless, this DLC is character assassination to all demigods involved lol. Except Mohg, he is innocent lol
When i heard Moore go "Sad, forever?" after i've said to him " Move beyond it." broke my heart so bad i legit froze for hours when i saw his curled up corpse right beneath my feet.
My one wish was that we got to see them all gathered together at the start of the dlc, but this finale was fantastic. All the "good" npcs vs the "evil." With you, the villain, the only one who knows the truth. It was so good.
You have to do quests to get allies, but also enemies. In my first run, it was just Leda, Hornsent and Dryleaf Dane against me. In my second, I had Thiollier and Ansbach on my side, but Leda also had Freyja and Moore
@@the_infinexos Leda and Dryleaf Dane will always be there as your enemies, the rest of the characters will all depend on the way you complete their quests.
@@guardianvalor962bro I did almost 100% of the dlcs in 2 days, every single boss and cave, 90% of armors and weapons, lvl 200 on ng+, now I'm going to ng++, it's called having no life
Ansbach is truly an absolute sunbro. You send him to hell, you kill his master, and the dude backs you up to the very end just because you said the truth to him.
The voice actors for Hornsent and Sir Ansbach are phenomenal. Sir Ansbach during this fight and Hornsent during Messmer’s. Amazing win this dlc was in regard to npc characters
In case you don’t know, Leda is actually a psychopath. Her sword description said that she basically murdered her whole battalion of knights who served Miquella alongside her. I’m not surprised that she quickly turn on you, Ansbach and Thiollier
When i tried to tell Moore to move on, only to have to kill him and for him to realize he willl be sad forever. It hurt more than a 5 voice line npc should have.
It’s from those little black robes guys with the saw weapons you fight them in the specimen storeroom and other places in the open world. Easy farm is to go to the main specimen storeroom first floor site of grace then go to the left side. Right behind the bookshelf on right one will jump out at you and just kill him go back to grace and reset and repeat until you get the armor. It’s a random drop from those enemies. Put on a horned tender or pickled foot to raise chances too. Good luck!
It’s crazy how Sir Ansbach, one faithful to the proclaimed Lord of Blood, is the most sober here. In my eyes I see Mohg and Miquella as two opposites. For Mohg, actions that seem vile that he does for love of those scorned by the Two Fingers. While no saint, it’s clear that he wanted to rid the world of the order that wronged him, and many others. Though ugly, the Dynasty of Mohgwyn would definitely be more for men and less for gods. The Formless Mother herself is an entity that wants to be hurt, so that the needs of those who believe in her can be satiated. It is, in the end, selfless, even if twisted. Miquella, on the other hand, outwardly has a holy disposition to him, but his desires are selfish. Nothing is more evil than manipulation, using others as pawns in your game to become a god. It is clear that Miquella’s “age of compassion” would not be as benevolent as he makes it out to be. We know he tossed away St. Trina, his love. For a deity to not feel love in their heart for people, that would bring about an age no better than Marika’s. I don’t doubt that it’d be one of enslavement to Miquella’s image, pretty much the opposite of The Age of the Stars ( Age of the Stars makes it so that Ranni, while the chosen god, will not be idolized like Marika, to rid the world of the conflict caused by such practices). We can assume too that Radahn saw through Miquella’s allure. That’s why Melania waged war against Radahn alone, because if Miquella couldn’t charm into having Radahn as his consort, he’d make him one by force. Radahn is a consort not out of his own will, but of Miquella’s allure
St Trina did not want miqualla to azsend to god hood as he would have to give up everything unfortunately we the tarnished must give up all the friends we made along the way to stand alone as same as in the base game the irony we probably ended up becoming a tirant 😂😂
