Black Knights do have poise, the "posture" system you mention. It's just incredibly high. Balances out against Crucibles higher damage output and hp. @@RealMonkeyDKirby
@@TheMarlz2 Yknow, if you stopped to read the comment, you'd see the joke and probably decide not to make this pointless reply that helps literally no one.
I used to farm the heck out of Black Knights and Silver Knights. I love fighting them I even went as far to run past a few of them just to fight 5 at once.
@@ZaaltheDragon black knights are just built different, gamewise they are designed to hit that hard its just how black knights are, lorewise they were originally silver knights but became charred from the war with izalith and the demons during gwyns time (very long time from ds1-ds3 events), thus the black knights are just especially strong after duking it out with demons
I love that even in the original scaling the black knight is just like. ''I see you deal twice my damage and have 3 times my health, but have you considered being poise broken 5 times in a row.'' Love the black knight
@@nealang9520I do remember hearing somewhere that the way poise works is ER was altered so it applies slightly differently, where after a set amount of poise damage an enemy is automatically staggered. So could just be that the Great Sword Dark knight just keeps hitting that cap with almost every hit.
It's really interesting to watch. Black Knights actually feel like they're intended to fight NPCs while the Crucible Knights are clearly harder as a player. Pretty great fight.
I'd like to point out that lore wise, black knights wielded those giant swords to kill giant demons several times their size, so them launching crucibles in the air is very fitting
@@yulfine1688the weapons were made for anything big, giant demons or small. Crucible knights are elden rings black knights. But black knights were a massive army, so thousands and thousands of them existed wreaking havoc.
@@yulfine1688 Much heavier yes, but the Black Knights wiped out the dragons from the face of the Earth. Even granted to wield Gwyn's power and there are much more of them in numbers (Seen in the 1st cutscene of DS1). They are basically the normal soldiers of Gwyn while the Crucible Knights are only deployed on special areas to protect something important
Black knights were walking tanks in DS3. Seeing one obliterate a Crucible knight's defenses (and launching them in the air) without budging makes them even more terrifying.
Well the stats in this video is modified and ds3 are different because in that game doesn’t have feature of stance breaking on those, it’s mechanical thing
@@that_one_jacob8181 Wrong, they have, but they're just ridiculously strong. In a "comparison" the only truth and reality, is they're *better, stronger, and faster.* They're the original Darksouls, the one that brought it's cheap copy to exist today, there's nothing wrong or mechanical error there, they're just *strong.*
Black knights are scary bro. I still remember the day, i got launched off the tower from that one black knight with an ultra greatsword in the undead burg.
At 1:02 you can notice Ordovis lifting his head, only to see fifty kilograms of the finest Lordran steel flying to his face. And while he flies back like a ragdoll, he is probably thinking that he should've chosen a different profession.
He then proceeded to get angry,attempt to stomp out the black Knight in rage. Another fling and Ordovis decides, "Fine,I'll show you my real power" Creates a beautiful lustrous set of wings of light and lifts up into the air,gliding over the mighty Black Knight. Who is unfazed. Stoic
This might be a hot take, but I honestly felt they were harder in ds3 than in ds1. They were a lot easier to sidestep and backstab in 1 and weren't half as relentless, they were also easier to stagger if you had something like the zweihander
So cinematic: the burger flip into shield punch. Like that old slapstick gag of punching an opponent as hard as you can and then knocking them down with a breath.
@@wallacecollins8411 Straight up looked like he nut punched him, the fact it came right after the Crucible Knight finally knocked him on his ass made it all the better, just filthy fighting.
@@ZeroFanfare I still believe the mace drakekeeper in ds2 has infinite stamina, or might as well be infinite anyway. I literally saw it doing 9-10 hit combos. Edit: Scratch that, i just looked up a video and he did a 23-hit combo. Dude definitely grew up on green blossom diet
That was ... unexpected. Despite having far less HP, the black knight had a faster move set, and was able to keep breaking the crucible knight's stance - thereby interrupting it's attacks.
"All this talk of Primordial Crucibles, blessings of gold and braying about a solemn duty; you wasted all that air talking, and where has it gotten you?" (uppercuts)
Watching the majestic Black Knight absolutely batter the first Crucible Knight was beautiful. Truly owning up to their lore as elite demon hunting vanguards and displaying the weight behind their attacks
Well, it's rather due to the fact that DS3 poise/stance/poise damage value standards are much higher than Elden Ring ones, since stance was not designed as core/important/consistent mechanic in DS3. But I suppose they don't change that on Boss vs Boss to make up for their smaller health bar.
@@luisalejandro3998 I think I misunderstood your statement. Because I interpreted that “ds3’s poise values are just higher than ER’s poise values” which is just not true. Proof: full Havel gives ~50 poise with no rings or otherwise poise boosting thingies Full bull goat gives ~ 100 poise without talismans or poise boosting thingies
Don’t forget Black Knights became demons themselves as they were originally Silver Knights, but got corrupted by the Chaos flame. Same thing happened to the Silver Knights of Eleum Loyce.
@CrescentCrusader99 They were burnt black from the flames. You can see this most clearly with the Black Knight Sword which shows hints of silver along the blade while the rest is burnt black. Strange that the other black knight weapons and armor look like they were made of black metal rather than burnt
I love how the original scaling is actually somewhat of a balanced fight, the overwhelming power of the crucible knight vs the unrelenting assult of the black knight
@Halopen94 once again, yes the black knight hits a lot and staggers the crucible knight for most of the fight, but the crucible knight still outclassed the black knight in raw damage
@@ElisOdin Indeed - But that is allways the case if he do something like "DS3 Boss vs. Elden Ring Bosses" - Even if they be similar games - pose wise they are totally differend.
@@denis9582 The damage is the same, but the poise is not? The bosses in both games are so hard to debuff and they generally do the same damage and debuff. It's a programming mismatch.
It's also worth noting in lore the DS Black Knights weapons were designed to fight giant demons, so they're inately made to break poise, or posture easily so they can combat the large foes.
@@kiro253they are made in the same engine so it’s practically a 1-1 convert over, if you go back and look at the “black knights vs X” boss videos they did that amount of pose damage back in dks3 too
not just demons but anything bigger than them considering these sre the same guys that as well fought with the lords against the everlasting dragons and said dragons are massive. One example of this dragon can be seen in archdragon peak dead and hugging a mountain.
and also the black knigts were made out of circumstances, not really intended to as gwyn by then left and anyone is doing there own thing. Like the witches creating demons and many more. There are actually two groups of black Knights. One is burned in the demon war and the other followed gwyn and burned in the first flame.
@@tc-channelhobby4051 Black knights were basically elite silver knights, Gwyn sent some of his best to fight the demons and they became charred. Gywn took what was left to guard the kiln of the first flame and they were charred too. They apparently get charred often.
The amount of well timed blocks from both black knights is actually incredible, even when fighting NPCs. That black knight UGS was usually my top priority when it came to farming that category, the amount of power you had at your fingertips was bliss. Fighting NPCs or other players, just raw damage.
@@gr33dl0cknein3 Elden ring doesn't technically input read but they did overtune their reading a bit too much (they're technically responding to player animations but it triggers FAST, like first few frames of an animation)
@@kiro253 Its because the modder left number from one game and put it into another one. Look at more of his videos, all DS3 bosses and minibosses stancebreak after a single hit because of how DS3 stored poisebreak numbers
@user-ev9gk4vp8x maybe you should try rewatching the video because the black knight wins the first round but with only a quarter of health left the crucible knight then goes on to win the next THREE rounds but again with very little health. on the 4th round the black knight comes out on top but with only a sliver left. Yes these monsters are both very equal in power. You only think the black knight is stronger just because it does big poise damage.
@@DonJoe1 I feel the first fight is the definitive answer. They're mostly equal but the main problem is at regular stats and equal stats the Ultra-greatsword Black Knight specifically poise breaks Crucible Knight Ordovis at every turn. The Crucible Knights also have magic attacks that damage through the Black Knights shield and they do more raw damage per hit. However you can't deny the sheer determination of the Black Knight grants him an edge over The Crucible Knight. The Crucible Knights seem to dominate when the Black Knights aren't using Ultra Great weapons.
This is probably the most cathartic thing I’ve ever seen. I didn’t know I needed to see a Crucible Knight get poise broken so much but, now I have. And damn does it feel GREAT
It's pretty fun to watch when there's actually a sort of balance: Crucible knights hit like a bus and can take more damage, have a much more varied move set and tools at their disposal, but the Black Knight refuses to be knocked down or slapped out of his animation and just keeps. On. Counterattacking. So determined. The Crucible Knight's damage output and the Black Knight's poise make them surprisingly even matches for each other despite their many differences.
Well, that's mostly to do with the Black Knights not really having a poise value, back in the day. You'd ALWAYS kill them LOOOOOONG before you could break their stance. Which is a design philosophy that was pretty limiting and unimaginative. Thankfully, they've changed that, but this is a good way to see how it used to be.
@@kiro253 Last I checked, you can't actually poise break them. You can stagger them, but yeah, that's a rarity. You will NEVER get a riposte out of smacking the shit out of Dark Souls enemies, though.
@@MrJinglejanglejingleyou're mixing up stance and poise. That "stagger" IS the poise break. For most enemies in DS3, poise breaking resulted in a flinch of some kind, meanwhile in ER, you have poise AND stance. You can actually poise break an enemy in ER sometimes multiple times before their stance breaks. Now it's also true that many DS3 bosses had a "stance break" like effect whenever you dealt enough poise damage, but it's an ultimately different system than ER.
It kinda makes sense from a lore perspective. I think the actual flesh got disintegrated in their armor for Gwyn and now it’s just suits of armor inhabited by the knights spirits, and I would imagine the spirits don’t have stamina
It was beautiful. I laughed so hard because it felt like the Black Knight got so pissed off he just punched the Crucible Knight in the face and yeeted him off the map.
@@moncreebrown948Especially after fighting that first one in that upside down city, only to find another one across the bridge. Almost broke my controller lmao
Okay. Being so strong you can flip a crucible knight is badass enough. But the sheer disrespect up punching them into the next century with a shield is giving me a feeling of pure joy. And I want it as an ash of war.
This makes me want a Soulsborne fighting game, kinda like Smash Bros but instead you can pick characters from all of the different Fromsoft games and fight at lore significant locations from each game. Seeing Elden Ring's Fire Giant square off against Yhorm in the middle of Yharnam would be amazing.
I just imagine that each time you die it plays a special animation where a new watcher kills the one you were playing as and then you assume control of the new one, and their ultimate is a whole bunch of them coming on screen at once and doing a massive combo on someone.@@LunarBloodRose27
The Black Knights are so plucky even in original scaling, it's insane; way behind in damage and health but still making every match close win-or-lose o:
For real. They're just fucking UNITS with how powerful they are. Definitely wanna see Banished Knights or Lordsworn vs either Silver Knights or Lothric Knights. and
@@Stone_Orchidsas per the armor description in DS1: "Armor of the Black Knights who haunt Lordran. The knights followed Lord Gwyn when he departed to link the Fire but they were burned to ashes in the newly kindled flame, wandering the world as disembodied spirits ever after." If they were constructs, burning to ash would mean that they wouldnt even exist anymore. And given that they are stated to be disembodied spirits, they cant be a construct. They were once living things, and are now a form of undead. Just not the same type of undead as the player. As for the Silver Knights, they have minds of their own that proves they are not simple constructs; Leo couldnt use the Silver Knight Straight Sword nor spear, and chose a hammer instead, going against everything the other knights did - and if you know anything about militaristic forces, uniformity is important. That, and he was willing to leave to find Havel. Difference is that Silver Knights likely still have their bodies underneath, and are likely the undead we're used to seeing rather than disembodied spirits. They arent constructs.
@@secretminty6398I don't think they are undead since Gwyn knights were from the "god" race, thus lacking the dark soul. The humans that fought alonside Gwyn, like the slave knights, were forgotten or confined in the ringed city. The Silver knights, being Gwyn's fellows, got the privilege of guarding Anor Londo instead, and most likely they were all part of the nobility and revered by humans as gods. Like all "gods" they were immune to natural death but they lacked the dark soul fragment, so they couldn't get affected by the undead curse.
It's wild how it takes a set of named crucible knights to match up to a pair of random black knights from ds3. Really goes to show how incredibly strong they were.
I'd say this was a very balanced and even match. The Crucible Knights have their immense damage and utility of crucible shenanigans matched by the Black Knights' consistent attacks and big boi poise.
@@Smitywerban The problem is the lack of stagger to stop any attack, if you look there is moments where the crucible hits with a shield bash and it does literally nothing.
Well...they did pick a knight that was literally notorious at destroying enemy poise even back in dark souls... Heck that is literally their weapon specialty...breaking poise
This really shows you how different DS and ER were in terms of enemy brutality and also how much FromSoft did their best to make the franchise feel fresh. We spent 3 games of DS enemies that attacked fluidly and straightforward . One Swing right after the next until combo finished. The Black Knights were tough bc of how quick and hard their combos were. Elden Ring played on that familiarity and gave us enemies with delayed attacks and really weird timing on attacks regardless of how telegraphed they were. Also letting us stun lock enemies was a major plus which is why the crucible knights are getting creamed.
DS enemy AI gets incredibly aggressive if you have a lot of souls on you, if youve ever farmed a drakeblood greatsword or staff of mendicus, that area is a good farm and the summoned drakeblood sword enemy can be pretty deceptive
@@Ciffer-1998 not sure! Archdragon peak has a bonfire just past nameless king, it’s an area with a lot of those humanoid things that spit fire, and some of the really tall ones too, i cant remember their name. It’s on the way to fight Havel. I tested it on them as well -wanted to see if i could farm the chained greataxe that they throw at you- seems to be the same for Havel too and the fireball guys. Im not sure if its because it’s an area you access later in the game or what
About 40-50 poise damage per attack. About on par with Nameless King's poise shredding. None of them compare to Midir, the champion of Poise shredding.
I just beat DS3 for my first time, the black knights were the only enemy I'd "nope". I even fought the Ancient Dragon without plunge attacking because of how cocky i was.
Nothing has made me wanna get in a big suit of armor and fight another man (or anyone really) to death with giant weapons more than this video, except maybe that one ESO trailer. the exchanges here sometimes look like the stuff you would see in cutscenes of legendary duels
A great way to solidify the ptsd that was my first souls game. I don't think i killed a single black knight the entire playthrough of ds3. Ran like hell every time
What I notice right away is that the black knight blocks way more often than the crucible knights. The crucible knights seems to be all offense, just cramming out spells and combos as fast as possible. Many of their biggest hits only get in chip damage because the black knight raises its shield the second they start an attack animation
Watching this video just makes me wanna do another DS3 run with the black knight ultra greatsword only after seeing how many times the black knight staggered the crucible knights
