ELDEN RING: Shadow of the Erdtree Lore | Messmer and Miquella are Intertwined 

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I have been reading about the greek gods who resemble these characters, and planet worship extends this to other religions through the babylonian and roman systems of association. First of all, messmer is obviously hermes. the caduceus is a dead giveaway, as are the merchants from the removed questline who appear to be associated with his frenzied cult. On this note, Hermes is mercury in the system of planet worship, and the norse god filling this role is Odin. Odin is etymologically interpreted to mean lord of frenzy according to google, although I have yet to explore this further. I am not aware of any association of hermes with frenzy, but the planetary link is there, and odin does carry gungnir, notably, and has a famous association with a certain tree. Odin tries to protect the tree from the dragon/wyrm nidhogg, to whom he feeds souls to prevent the serpent from eating the tree. according to lore, the roots and the tree were severed, and apparently odin does this to the tree in marvel comics, although I have not read the story in question. His purpose is said to be to separate the heavens from the earth in doing so. If those living in the grace of gold are in fact doomed to find messmer's flaming embrace, perhaps this is "heaven", and not "earth". (if the world is in fact based partly on "the eternal champion", then it is a "near earth") Hermes is considered a psychopomp (like odin), and he leads the souls of the dead to their final resting place (much like the quote from the trailer about how messmer will embrace the tarnished with flame). His foil in the greek religion is named Hekate, and she is associated with calling the spirit s of the dead back from hades to the material world (who gives us the spirit bell?) She is linked with the ancient anatolian region of caria. Now, it is Ranni who I am identifying with this goddess, but she is a triple goddess, and one of her forms is that of persephone, who is associated with Rot, and has to spend a certain amount of time in hades because of the consumption of a certain fruit, that of the pomegranate. My theory at the moment is that the Haligtree is in fact a pomegranate, and Miquella is in fact representative of Hades. On that subject, the pomegranate seed has a dark fibrous interior surrounded by a bright red pulp which is sweet to taste. This is reminiscent of the hollowness of the dark sign, the abyssal symbol from the ringed city. The world halig of course means holy, and holy, hallowed, hollow are all etymologically linked. Holyness is associated not with light in elden ring, but with the crucible which is also a circular symbol If Ranni is Hekate the crone, and Malania Persephone, the third person of this trio is Demeter, and she is known for causing a great famine due to the abduction of persephone. Supposedly she taught the people of elusis (mycenean greeks, from the bronze age that ended around 1200 BC) the secret rites of elysium at this time, for they recieved her hospitably when she went in search of her daughter. I wonder if this is not Marika, for she is both the mother of persephone, and has some sort of relation to ranni (in terms of ranni trying to replace her. given that the carian culture precedes the arrival of marika, hekate being an old woman relative to demeter is not unfitting). The person of Hekate is associated with crossroads in general, and the lands between could be alternately described as such, just based on the name given. Hekate as an individual within the trinity is associated with the moon and witchcraft. She is also associated with shade, or gloam. This makes me question if marika is in fact part of the triplet of people represented by this goddess, as the gloam eyed queen appears to be a reference to an enemy of marika's, not marika. Furthermore, hermes can be associated with the harvest, and has been termed the "harvest warden" for his role in guarding the crops that are to be harvested. The sickle/saturnine imagery found in the mountaintops of the giants suggests that miquella had some role in the harvest of proverbial grain, and I wonder if the tarnished do not represent grain that is starting to rust, and which is earmarked for the harvest. finally, it appears messmer is doing the harvesting, and miquella is the recipient of the souls. to my knowledge hades is not known for shriving clean the souls of men, but he is associated with wealth (gold) and obsessive love, bordering on terror (ultimately he caused the famine). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat_leaf_rust dark

Also I forgot to mention, hermes' mother is Maia, and she is known for dwelling in darkness, giving birth in a cave, and is descended from the titan atlas.

and thoth, the egyptian god most like hermes takes the form of an Ibis. Not trying to sell fromsoft products or anything, but fires of rubicon is a great game, and has some soulslike themes as well.

Odin is also said to be the god of hanged men, which leads me to a spoiler about a certain NPC

There is a constellation of a snake handler, Ophiuchus which does not appear to be symbolic of anything, but is congruent with this zodiacal sign. That sign looks like a cross spear, even though it represents a bow being drawn. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_(astrology) "the learned healer whose higher intelligence forms a bridge between Earth and Heaven." the severing of this intelligence into frenzy would then result in: ...

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I found it, it translates to מרגוט which means , love, harmony, giving, good, noble, concern for others is their top priority. Talented and creative with a tendency to perfection which fits him perfectly so there's something there.

Based on what?

@@Primalintent Miquella reborn in the land of shadow corrupted by mohgs accursed blood. Personal theory.

That would give Miquella 2 alter ego’s because he is already Saint Trina. Unless Saint Trina is not truly an alternate person Miquella is (like Marika/Radagon), and just a cover name.

Both a son of marika 🤷🏾‍♂️

Youd be actually wrong not all of the demigods were born in pairs of 3 if you look at the golden lineage there are way more childen and also all of the walking monolith thingys they supposedly all of a child of marika in them from the night of the black knives which they were killed along side with Godwyn

He’s Miquella reborn with mohg accursed blood

​@@Malorr Trina means trilogy, he's Miquella (like Michael meaning "one who is like God" who is himself a trinity) who is represented as being awake, St. Trina who visits people in their dreams, and Messmer which represents mesmerization like hypnotization or a state between waking and sleep.

This comment was the verbal diarrhea. I made a video casually speculating that you don’t have to watch lol.

It seems like Messmer is already hinted at in the main game though, with stuff like the Duelist helm that talk about snakes as traitors, and potentially some other minor details. I have faith that Fromsoft will have a good explanation. The issue with Messmer as a form of Miquella is that, once again considering the duelist helm, that places Messmer and his snake imagery existing during the time of Godfrey, before Miquella was born.

www.soulmyths.com/hermes.pdf